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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 101	From: John O'Halloran	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Milestones...

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 102	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: CCG reactions to current suggestions

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 103	From: Cathy Holroyd	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: Chapters to be Added to ICG-BOD

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 104	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: ICG items at Australian AGM

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 105	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: Chapters to be Added to ICG-BOD

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 106	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: ICG items at Australian AGM

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 107	From: McClure, Kate	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: Chapters to be Added to ICG-BOD

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 108	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] Re: Odds n Ends regarding the ICG

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 109	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] Re: Raising Money for the ICG

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 110	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 111	From: Timothy	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 112	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 113	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 114	From: Dina Flockhart	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 115	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 116	From: Timothy	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 117	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 118	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Silence intentional?

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 119	From: Cathy Holroyd	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 120	From: Carol Mitchell	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 22

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 121	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 122	From: beckystember	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 123	From: jester415@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 124	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] Dues and CQs and Memberships, oh my! (Really long - so

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 125	From: ICG-BOD@egroups.com	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: File - subscribe.txt

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 126	From: Carol Mitchell	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: backup

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 127	From: Timothy	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: ICG activities

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 128	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 22

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 129	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: ICG Mission Statement

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 130	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 131	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 132	From: Timothy	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 133	From: cdmami	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 134	From: John O'Halloran	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 135	From: cdmami	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 136	From: Costume-Con 19	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Vrs. motions before the board

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 137	From: Costume-Con 19	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Costumers' Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 138	From: Dora Buck	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 139	From: cdmami	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Re: Costumers' Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 140	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Re: Attachments...

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 141	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Costumers' Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 142	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 143	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 144	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 145	From: Ken Warren	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 146	From: Dina Flockhart	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Costumers' Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 147	From: Dina Flockhart	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 148	From: Dora Buck	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: CQ

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 149	From: Dina Flockhart	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: CQ

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 150	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: CQ

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 101	From: John O'Halloran	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Milestones...

Carol Mitchell of the CCG posted the 100th message
to the ICG-BOD List.

She wins the conveted NoPrize. <grin>

JohnO

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 102	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: CCG reactions to current suggestions

I'm still not understanding how newly elected treasurers cannot find
out my name and contact information from their chapter's former
treasurer, their chapter president, Byron, other chapters or post the
request to this list or the general discussion list for people to
reply. I'd hate to think Carol is trying to mean that her treasurer
for the past 18 months (since Feb 1999) has been trying to find this
out because I know I've rec'd updates from Chicago since I've taken
over the position.

Byron usually includes my name and address in his monthly messages
close to when the quarterly treasurer reports are due. If recipients
do not have a chance to share it with other members of the chapter,
John uploads older ones to the ICG web site.

A member reporting problem in May? Chicagoland was updated in mid-
May via email before CC and the dues were paid to me in person at the
conference Friday night. I recall Northern Lights updating their
members just prior the Annual Meeting but Chicagoland did not voice
a discrepancy. I had extra copies of the chapter lists for chapter
reps to take home with them for their treasurers/membership
coordinators, if they requested them.

My problem with Chicagoland is that some members do not have street
addresses or one is repeatedly listed as just a first name - no last
name, email, nothing. I've emailed two people without street
addresses but only one has responded.

How much?

Currently dues are $1 per member per year (two members, same house =
$2). Members wishing to subscribe to the CQ, it's currently $8 per
year's subscription.

Where I am -

Sharon Trembley
398 Prospect St.
South Amboy, NJ 08879

Annuals may be purchased directly from Bruce and Nora Mai.

Sharon

--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, Carol Mitchell <costumeboss@y...> wrote
in part:

> Thanks for reprinting the address for updates. Last
> May when we found out our member numbers were
> drastically undercounted, it was because the treasurer
> had no idea where to send the money. She asked for an
> address while at CostumeCon and didn't receive it for
> quite awhile.

> Carol Mitchell
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 103	From: Cathy Holroyd	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: Chapters to be Added to ICG-BOD

Dear Byron

> The reason that you may have considered Costume Guild UK unrepresented is
> that when the ICG-BOD list transferred to eGroups I was not informed of
> the change. Having contacted John about the lack of messages I was
> receiving I was told of the change and this has now been rectified. I have
> passed on your comment as to CGUK having no ICG members to CGUKs
> membership secretary. If the chapter is owing ICG subs it was through
> ommission, not design. I hope this will be rectified shortly.

Cathy Holroyd - President CGUK

>
>
> Also unrepresented at this time are South Bay Costumers' Guild
> and Costume Guild UK. However, at present, neither have any
> ICG members. On the other hand, since they're not represented
> on ICG-BOD, they might not know this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Byron
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 104	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: ICG items at Australian AGM

Dear all,

Thanks to a corrupted E-mail blocking my downloads and some jiggering with
mymachine over the last day or two, any responses to the AGM posting have
been lost. Please re-send to me if'n you still have 'em.

With fangs (it's THAT day, remember),

-C.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 105	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: Chapters to be Added to ICG-BOD

Byron Connell wrote:

>
> John --
>
> I have reviewed the list of persons subscribed to ICG-BOD.
> Several chapters that ought to be represented on the ICG Board
> of Directors, in order to participate in deliberations and votes, are
> missing:

>>>snip<<<

I've invited Kate, Diana, Mike and David.

> Also unrepresented at this time are South Bay Costumers' Guild
> and Costume Guild UK. However, at present, neither have any
> ICG members. On the other hand, since they're not represented
> on ICG-BOD, they might not know this.

UK is now represented by Cathy Holroyd, who joined a few days ago.

I spoke with the SBCG Treasurer, LisaH this weekend.
She does not wish to be the SBCG rep and she personally
has not heard from the SBCG President, Marjorie Wilser
in over a year.

> Finally, please remove Brenna Sharp, raven@..., from ICG
> -BOD. Since the Greater Portland Area Costumers' Guild is no
> longer a member of the ICG, she ought not to be privy to our
> deliberations.

Done!

JohnO

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 106	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: ICG items at Australian AGM

If you sign-up for eGroups, you gain access to the online archive
and read them via the web.

JohnO

Christopher Ballis wrote:

>
> Thanks to a corrupted E-mail blocking my downloads and
> some jiggering with mymachine over the last day or two,
> any responses to the AGM posting have been lost.
> Please re-send to me if'n you still have 'em.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 107	From: McClure, Kate	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: Chapters to be Added to ICG-BOD

> I've invited Kate, Diana, Mike and David.
>
>

I'm here! I'm here! Just taking a bit to catch up, catch my breath, and
figure out where I put that 'life' I used to have . . .

Kate McClure
Known as StitchWitch - AAGHH
Beyond Reality Costumer's Guild

Death in itself is nothing; but we fear
To be we know not what, we know not where.
- John Dryden, 'Aurengzebe', 1676

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 108	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] Re: Odds n Ends regarding the ICG

Attachments :

In case you missed it, here is the first of Janet Anderson's postings to ICG-D.

Byron

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 109	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] Re: Raising Money for the ICG

Attachments :

And here's the second.

Byron

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 110	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Membership ruling requested

Yesterday a Secretary of a Local Chapter requested
membership to the ICG-BOD mailing list.

I reject the membership, because the Local Chapter
President is already a member. I cited, but did
not quote the Bylaws as my basis for rejection.

I've since found the relevant Article & Section:

Article V, Section 1
The Board shall be composed of one (1) individual
member from each chapter of the Corporation chosen
annually by that chapter to be a Director, plus the
Officers of the Corporation.

The LC Secretary is asking about backup issues,
is the list to managed the same as the BOD itself,
and the lack of policy statements regarding both
mailing lists.

My basic question is should the ICG-BOD mailing
list follow the Bylaws and allow only one member
per LC?

JohnO

JohnO

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 111	From: Timothy	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

I feel that the BOD list should serve as a means of communication for the BOD. Which would generally be one member from each chapter. However, if the LC President is not actively participating in the list or disseminating the information to the LC, then the Secretary if diligent in her duties should be allowed to participate in the list as the official representative rather then the President. I feel that it is an issue for the LC to discuss and decide who will participate.

Michael Bruno
Millennium CG

>
>My basic question is should the ICG-BOD mailing
>list follow the Bylaws and allow only one member
>per LC?
>
> JohnO

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 112	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Thanks Michael,

You've given me a more polite way of dealing with this issue.

"Are you replacing your LC's current rep?"

JohnO

Timothy wrote:

>
> I feel that the BOD list should serve as a means of communication for
> the BOD. Which would generally be one member from each chapter.
> However, if the LC President is not actively participating in the list
> or disseminating the information to the LC, then the Secretary if
> diligent in her duties should be allowed to participate in the list as
> the official representative rather then the President. I feel that it
> is an issue for the LC to discuss and decide who will participate.
>
> Michael Bruno
> Millennium CG
>
> >
> >My basic question is should the ICG-BOD mailing
> >list follow the Bylaws and allow only one member
> >per LC?
> >
> > JohnO
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 113	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

I don't want to see the ICG-BOD list get too large, but can we take
a relatively hard-nosed position and continue to justify having non
-voting subscribers, including Joy (past president), Pierre
(Parliamentarian), John (Listmaster), Carl (CQ Editor), Bruce M
(Budget & Finance Committee member)?

Byron

>>> icg@... 11/01/00 01:20AM >>>

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 114	From: Dina Flockhart	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

I would take the opinion that we cannot afford to ignore any reservoirs of
experience or sources of new ideas, as long as the list does not get too
large to manage.

DIna

At 09:52 AM 11/1/00 -0500, you wrote:

>I don't want to see the ICG-BOD list get too large, but can we take
>a relatively hard-nosed position and continue to justify having non
>-voting subscribers, including Joy (past president), Pierre
>(Parliamentarian), John (Listmaster), Carl (CQ Editor), Bruce M
>(Budget & Finance Committee member)?
>
>Byron
>
>
>>>> icg@... 11/01/00 01:20AM >>>
>Yesterday a Secretary of a Local Chapter requested
>membership to the ICG-BOD mailing list.
>
>I reject the membership, because the Local Chapter
>President is already a member. I cited, but did
>not quote the Bylaws as my basis for rejection.
>
>I've since found the relevant Article & Section:
>
> Article V, Section 1
> The Board shall be composed of one (1) individual
> member from each chapter of the Corporation chosen
> annually by that chapter to be a Director, plus the
> Officers of the Corporation.
>
>The LC Secretary is asking about backup issues,
>is the list to managed the same as the BOD itself,
>and the lack of policy statements regarding both
>mailing lists.
>
>My basic question is should the ICG-BOD mailing
>list follow the Bylaws and allow only one member
>per LC?
>
> JohnO
>
> JohnO
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 115	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

I concur I would not like to see this list get unwieldly. The
chapter representative need not be the president of a chapter. If the
rep cannot meet their responsibility, they should inform their
chapter so another designee can be found to represent the chapter.
Their responsibility is not limited to just voting, but two-way
communication with the BOD as a whole and their chapter. We rarely
motion, second and conclude a vote with breakneck speed so those that
travel, have other commitments... would have time to get another
person appointed.

Doesn't this sometimes occur at the Annual Meeting? I believe this
would be a similar circumstance.

Regarding backup issues, whoever the new designee is, they would be
able to read the list's archives on egroups.

Sharon

--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote:
> I don't want to see the ICG-BOD list get too large, but can we take
> a relatively hard-nosed position and continue to justify having non
> -voting subscribers, including Joy (past president), Pierre
> (Parliamentarian), John (Listmaster), Carl (CQ Editor), Bruce M
> (Budget & Finance Committee member)?
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> icg@c... 11/01/00 01:20AM >>>
> Yesterday a Secretary of a Local Chapter requested
> membership to the ICG-BOD mailing list.
>
> I reject the membership, because the Local Chapter
> President is already a member. I cited, but did
> not quote the Bylaws as my basis for rejection.
>
> I've since found the relevant Article & Section:
>
> Article V, Section 1
> The Board shall be composed of one (1) individual
> member from each chapter of the Corporation chosen
> annually by that chapter to be a Director, plus the
> Officers of the Corporation.
>
> The LC Secretary is asking about backup issues,
> is the list to managed the same as the BOD itself,
> and the lack of policy statements regarding both
> mailing lists.
>
> My basic question is should the ICG-BOD mailing
> list follow the Bylaws and allow only one member
> per LC?
>
> JohnO
>

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 116	From: Timothy	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Well, those are all people who should be on the BOD list. All the ICG officers, a representative of each special committee, a representative of each chapter. That should put the number on the list at between 2 and 3 dozen ppl.

Michael

>I don't want to see the ICG-BOD list get too large, but can we take
>a relatively hard-nosed position and continue to justify having non
>-voting subscribers, including Joy (past president), Pierre
>(Parliamentarian), John (Listmaster), Carl (CQ Editor), Bruce M
>(Budget & Finance Committee member)?
>
>Byron
>

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 117	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

How does this sound?

A. All voting members of the ICG Board of Directors are
subscribers to ICG-BOD. These include the five ICG officers and
the officially designated representative of each chapter.

B. To promote communication, each chapter has the option of
designating one additional, non-voting, subscriber.

C.. The following persons are non-voting subvscribers:

1. Immediate past ICG President.
2. ICG Parliamentarian.
3. ICG Webmaster/Listmaster.
4. Costumer's Quarterly Editor
5. Other ICG members designated by the ICG President or by the
Board.

I suggest this as a way to let chapters add back-up subscribers
without abandoning all controls on the size of the Board.
Whatever we decide about centralized vs. decentralized
organization, clearly, we must improve communication with and
among the chapters and members. This would be one way to do
so. The <maximum> size of ICG-BOD would be 44 if every
chapter designates a second subscriber(assuming neither I nor the
Board adds any non-voting subscribers).

Byron

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 118	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Silence intentional?

Yo peeps -

I took Byron's reposting of Janet's messages on this list to mean he
wants us to discuss them. I added them to a revision of that outline
I posted the other day based on the one I posted on ICG-D. The
changes from the first are in purplish and the motions currently
before the BOD are in red.

I was hoping the deafening silence that greeted it was just you's
guys way of saying you are overwhelmed by the structure that is being
thrust before you.

If you go to the egroups web site for this group, log on and you'll
see it -

http://www.egroups.com/files/ICG-BOD/Change+Discussion/

If you don't like, I can change it. If you hate it, I don't need to
take time to revise it when interesting new stuff comes up, but I do
think we need a document to track options and suggestions. I can
leave older copies on the site if there's a need to track it
historically.

Sharon

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 119	From: Cathy Holroyd	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Hi Byron

Your suggestions below make perfect sense to me. Recent computer problems
left me with a long period of time when I was unable to access my emails
including ICG-BOD mail. I can fully appreciate that you wish to restrict
both the size of the list and also only have one person per chapter with
voting rights. However, as my situation proved this can lead to breakdown in
communication. If other chapters do not object would it be possible for me
to nominate Marion Byott - CGUK treasurer, as the CGUK non voting
representative on the ICG-BOD list.

Many thanks

Cathy Holroyd

Byron Connell wrote:

> How does this sound?
>
> A. All voting members of the ICG Board of Directors are
> subscribers to ICG-BOD. These include the five ICG officers and
> the officially designated representative of each chapter.
>
> B. To promote communication, each chapter has the option of
> designating one additional, non-voting, subscriber.
>
> C.. The following persons are non-voting subvscribers:
>
> 1. Immediate past ICG President.
> 2. ICG Parliamentarian.
> 3. ICG Webmaster/Listmaster.
> 4. Costumer's Quarterly Editor
> 5. Other ICG members designated by the ICG President or by the
> Board.
>
> I suggest this as a way to let chapters add back-up subscribers
> without abandoning all controls on the size of the Board.
> Whatever we decide about centralized vs. decentralized
> organization, clearly, we must improve communication with and
> among the chapters and members. This would be one way to do
> so. The <maximum> size of ICG-BOD would be 44 if every
> chapter designates a second subscriber(assuming neither I nor the
> Board adds any non-voting subscribers).
>
> Byron
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 120	From: Carol Mitchell	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 22

I keep getting "this message contained attachments"
instead of a message. I hope these attachments aren't
crucial.
Carol

=====
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Manager Costume Programming Track Chicon 2000
Co-chair CostumeCon 21

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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 121	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Yeah.

-C.

> How does this sound?
>
> A. All voting members of the ICG Board of Directors are
> subscribers to ICG-BOD. These include the five ICG officers and
> the officially designated representative of each chapter.
>
> B. To promote communication, each chapter has the option of
> designating one additional, non-voting, subscriber.
>
> C.. The following persons are non-voting subvscribers:
>
> 1. Immediate past ICG President.
> 2. ICG Parliamentarian.
> 3. ICG Webmaster/Listmaster.
> 4. Costumer's Quarterly Editor
> 5. Other ICG members designated by the ICG President or by the
> Board.
>
> I suggest this as a way to let chapters add back-up subscribers
> without abandoning all controls on the size of the Board.
> Whatever we decide about centralized vs. decentralized
> organization, clearly, we must improve communication with and
> among the chapters and members. This would be one way to do
> so. The <maximum> size of ICG-BOD would be 44 if every
> chapter designates a second subscriber(assuming neither I nor the
> Board adds any non-voting subscribers).
>
> Byron
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 122	From: beckystember	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Sounds good to me

Jess

----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Connell" <bconnell@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>; <stremble@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:50 AM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Re: Membership ruling requested

> How does this sound?
>
> A. All voting members of the ICG Board of Directors are
> subscribers to ICG-BOD. These include the five ICG officers and
> the officially designated representative of each chapter.
>
> B. To promote communication, each chapter has the option of
> designating one additional, non-voting, subscriber.
>
> C.. The following persons are non-voting subvscribers:
>
> 1. Immediate past ICG President.
> 2. ICG Parliamentarian.
> 3. ICG Webmaster/Listmaster.
> 4. Costumer's Quarterly Editor
> 5. Other ICG members designated by the ICG President or by the
> Board.
>
> I suggest this as a way to let chapters add back-up subscribers
> without abandoning all controls on the size of the Board.
> Whatever we decide about centralized vs. decentralized
> organization, clearly, we must improve communication with and
> among the chapters and members. This would be one way to do
> so. The <maximum> size of ICG-BOD would be 44 if every
> chapter designates a second subscriber(assuming neither I nor the
> Board adds any non-voting subscribers).
>
> Byron
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 123	From: jester415@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested

Yes, the by-laws should be followed. Always.

Robert Lunn
President, GBACG

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 124	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-D] Dues and CQs and Memberships, oh my! (Really long - so

Attachments :

Please see the attached comments from Betsy Delaney.

Byron

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Subject: File - subscribe.txt

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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 126	From: Carol Mitchell	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: backup

If the backup person is allowed, please add Jennifer
Kelley jakelley@... to the list
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 127	From: Timothy	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: ICG activities

Well, I'm going to start the debate with a question which I've had for a while and is relevant to the current issues.

What does the ICG actually do?

I know that the purpose of the ICG is to promote costuming as an art form to the general public. I know some of what has been done in the past, ie establishing guidelines for international competition. But what are we currently doing and what have we done lately, other than collect $1/year and occassionally publish the CQ. There currently doesn't seem to be any benefit to being a member other than being able to say,"I'm a member of the ICG" or "We're a chapter of the ICG" Of course, no one knows who or what the ICG is.

I'm not disgruntled. I just feel that answering this one question will be a big step towards beginning to resolve the current issues.

Comments? Answers?

Michael Bruno
Millennium CG

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 128	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 22

I originally set the list to not allow attachments,
but I though I set them back to allow attachments.

I'll check the settings.

JohnO

Carol Mitchell wrote:

>
> I keep getting "this message contained attachments"
> instead of a message. I hope these attachments aren't
> crucial.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 129	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: ICG Mission Statement

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 130	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

Yesterday, Carl told me that 38 of the 420 copies of the last issue
of the Quarterly had been returned by the U.S. Postal Service with
bad addresses. That's 9 percent of the entire subscription list!

1. This does not support the idea of a centralized membership
system. Subscribers who want to receive the only tangible thing
the ICG produces don't care enough to send us address changes
or to have their chapters do so. IMHO, trying to maintain a
centralized membership system would be at least as frustrating,
and probably more frustrating, than the present mess of trying to
get your chapters to report.

2. I directed Carl to discard the returned copies, rather than
attempt to re-post them. We have now paid twice to mail those
copies -- once when we mailed them and a second time when the
USPS returned them. We can't afford the postage to send them
out again.

3. I directed Carl to remove the Return Service Requested line on
all future issues. That will save us postage, but it means that we
no longer will know that a subscriber's copy is undeliverable.
Frankly, at this point I would rather <not> know! If someone wants
to keep receiving the issues he or she paid for, he or she will have
to send us a change of address. Unfortunately, the 1999 issue
does include the Return Service Requested line on its cover, so
we're going to be stuck with extra postage for that issue.

4. Carl intends to mail the 1999 issue this weekend. He will then
be able to determine how much postage is left in our account.
That will determine whether or not he will be able to mail either the
third quarter 2000 issue or both the third and fourth quarter issues.

5. I directed Carl to drop-ship to the chapters all issues of the
Quarterly following the 1999 issue, assuming we have the
postage. Your chapters may use any method they wish to
distribute the copies to their members who are subscribers. Copies
will have a subscriber's name, but not necessarily an address.
This will be significantly less costly for the ICG than bulk-mailing
directly to subscribers who can't bother to tell us correct
addresses.

Byron

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 131	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement

Not to my knowledge.

Byron

>>> icg@... 11/02/00 10:47PM >>>

I've just checked the Standing Rules, Bylaws and 3c501 documents.

I don't have a copy of the Maryland incorporation and the statement on
the home page is taken from Whole Costumers Catalogue (with permission
of Karen Dick (publisher) and Cat Devereaux (author of the ICG
section)).

Does the ICG have a "official" mission statement?

JohnO

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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 132	From: Timothy	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

>
>2. I directed Carl to discard the returned copies, rather than
>attempt to re-post them.

Rather than discard them, why not hold onto them for sale in the future. At CC, by mail or some other event.

I think it would be worthwhile to go through the remaining unmailed CQs and pull those issues with addresses that have already been returned, since we know they'll just be returned again.

I would venture to say that a majority of the CQs with bad addresses are people who are fairly out of touch with their LC or the ICG in general. They may have actually moved several times since the last time they received a CQ. Having not received on in so long, they probably just gave up on ever receiving another one thus forgetting to send in a change or address, or didn't think it would be worth while to do so. They may have also been under the impression that they had lapsed, since they had not been receiving them and not bothered to renew or send the change.

Michael

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 133	From: cdmami	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy <plastic@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

> >
> >2. I directed Carl to discard the returned copies, rather than
> >attempt to re-post them.
>
> Rather than discard them, why not hold onto them for sale in the future.
At CC, by mail or some other event.
> the are marked real bad by the post office

> I think it would be worthwhile to go through the remaining unmailed CQs
and pull those issues with addresses that have already been returned, since
we know they'll just be returned again.
> we did that and then redid it for the 1999 issue
please understand theses are in addition to the 43 for the first quarter

> I would venture to say that a majority of the CQs with bad addresses are
people who are fairly out of touch with their LC or the ICG in general.
They may have actually moved several times since the last time they received
a CQ. Having not received on in so long, they probably just gave up on ever
receiving another one thus forgetting to send in a change or address, or
didn't think it would be worth while to do so. They may have also been
under the impression that they had lapsed, since they had not been receiving
them and not bothered to renew or send the change.
> see above note these are new returned address and some or still incorrect
on the lists sent by the chapters to Sharon this problem is a chapter one

> Michael
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 134	From: John O'Halloran	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

Try 2 Carl?

You had no text in reply to Timothy.

It was all quoting of his orignal message.

JohnO

PS: Hint, hint. Notice I didn't quote the entire message
to make a 3 line comment.

--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "cdmami" <cdmami@h...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Timothy <plastic@c...>
> To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 135	From: cdmami	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

----- Original Message -----
From: cdmami <cdmami@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Timothy <plastic@...>
> To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Costumer's Quarterly Addresses
>
>
> > >
> > >2. I directed Carl to discard the returned copies, rather than
> > >attempt to re-post them.
> >
> > Rather than discard them, why not hold onto them for sale in the future.
> At CC, by mail or some other event.
***************************************************
REPLY
> > the are marked real bad by the post office
> **************************************************
> > I think it would be worthwhile to go through the remaining unmailed CQs
> and pull those issues with addresses that have already been returned,
since
> we know they'll just be returned again.
*************************************************
REPLY
> > we did that and then redid it for the 1999 issue
> please understand theses are in addition to the 43 for the first quarter
> *************************************************
> > I would venture to say that a majority of the CQs with bad addresses are
> people who are fairly out of touch with their LC or the ICG in general.
> They may have actually moved several times since the last time they
received
> a CQ. Having not received on in so long, they probably just gave up on
ever
> receiving another one thus forgetting to send in a change or address, or
> didn't think it would be worth while to do so. They may have also been
> under the impression that they had lapsed, since they had not been
receiving
> them and not bothered to renew or send the change.
****************************************************
REPLY
> > see above note these are new returned address and some or still
incorrect
> on the lists sent by the chapters to Sharon this problem is a chapter one
> **************************************************
> > Michael
> >
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 136	From: Costume-Con 19	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Vrs. motions before the board

I haven't replied yet to all the issues flying around, because I'm not one
of those people who checks their e-mail every day, and the mass quickly got
out of control. I've had a chance to go through all of it now I think, and
we have had a chapter meeting to discuss the motions before the board.

On the motion to raise ICG dues to $4 US.

First we are wondering if the Board of Directors has the authority to pass a
motion like this, or if it needs to be put before the entire membership at
the AGM. In principle we consider raising the ICG dues to be reasonable,
however the way this amount was picked seems very arbitrary.

For a decision this important, wouldn't a more logical approach be to look
at our total annual expenses and divide by the lowest number of members we
reasonably expect to have. It would also be reasonable to round up from
this number, or build in a cushion so that dues increases aren't an issue
every year. This would be a fee with some justification behind it. If we
do this math and discover that to keep the ICG going, we will need $5/year,
after voting in an increase to $4, we will face a lot stiffer opposition to
a second increase in less than a year. If on the other hand we can
confidently say the first time, "This is what it will cost every member to
keep the ICG going," the new amount should be a bit easier to sell.

On the motion to raise the cost of the CQ.

We are in a similar position as Australia on this one, so I think I should
abstain.
We would prefer to keep the current arrangement, although it admittedly has
not always been passed along to successive CQ editors. Currently we are
supposed to receive one camera-ready version of each issue of the quarterly
and we cover the costs of printing and distributing copies to all the
members of our chapter. I think we are paying the cost of one subscription
to cover the camera-ready version.

If the current method of distribution is bulk mail, I believe that won't
work across border. We most definitely do not want to receive all of our
issues in a single mailing to one chapter address. A previous Quarterly
editor tried sending us all our issues together by UPS, twice. On top of
what it must have cost the Quarterly to send us the issues, our small
chapter was almost bankrupt by the taxes and the brokerage fees UPS charged
us to receive the boxes.

On the issue of members-without-chapters or electronic chapters (I know this
isn't actually a motion)

I've read all the e-mails, but I'm obviously still missing the point. What
would these members gain that they are not getting from the ICG-D listing,
and how is a membership without a chapter better than a membership in a
chapter that is too far away to drive to?

Eileen Capes
Western Canadian Costumers' Guild

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 137	From: Costume-Con 19	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Costumers' Quarterly Addresses

Aaaah! See my previous message. PLEASE don't start sending us boxes of
quarterlies again.

So far we don't have the camera ready version for the most recent issue.
Has that gone out yet or was it a return?

Eileen Capes
Western Canadian Costumers' Guild
(I'll get my subscriber e-mail address fixed back to my own address real
soon.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Byron Connell [mailto:bconnell@...]
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 7:11 AM
To: ICG-BOD@egroups.com; stremble@...
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

<Yesterday, Carl told me that 38 of the 420 copies of the last issue
of the Quarterly had been returned by the U.S. Postal Service with
bad addresses.>

<5. I directed Carl to drop-ship to the chapters all issues of the
Quarterly following the 1999 issue, assuming we have the
postage. Your chapters may use any method they wish to
distribute the copies to their members who are subscribers. Copies
will have a subscriber's name, but not necessarily an address.
This will be significantly less costly for the ICG than bulk-mailing
directly to subscribers who can't bother to tell us correct
addresses.>

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 138	From: Dora Buck	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

changing format to let you see Carl's reply. I can also say that the post office really made a mess of them.

>
>2. I directed Carl to discard the returned copies, rather than

attempt to re-post them.

Rather than discard them, why not hold onto them for sale in the future.

At CC, by mail or some other event.

=============================================

the are marked real bad by the post office

==============================================

I think it would be worthwhile to go through the remaining unmailed CQs

and pull those issues with addresses that have already been returned, since

we know they'll just be returned again.

===============================================

we did that and then redid it for the 1999 issue

please understand theses are in addition to the 43 for the first quarter

=========================================================

I would venture to say that a majority of the CQs with bad addresses are

people who are fairly out of touch with their LC or the ICG in general.

They may have actually moved several times since the last time they received

a CQ. Having not received on in so long, they probably just gave up on ever

receiving another one thus forgetting to send in a change or address, or

didn't think it would be worth while to do so. They may have also been

under the impression that they had lapsed, since they had not been receiving

them and not bothered to renew or send the change.

===============================================================

see above note these are new returned address and some or still incorrect on the lists sent by the chapters to Sharon this problem is a chapter one

===============================================================

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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 139	From: cdmami	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Re: Costumers' Quarterly Addresses

************************************************

> Galleys for CQ 2000 second quarter and for CQ 1999 are to be shipped on

WED NOV. 8
hope this ends any fears of boxes you may have
************************************************

> Aaaah! See my previous message. PLEASE don't start sending us boxes of
> quarterlies again.
>
> So far we don't have the camera ready version for the most recent issue.
> Has that gone out yet or was it a return?
>
> Eileen Capes
> Western Canadian Costumers' Guild
> (I'll get my subscriber e-mail address fixed back to my own address real
> soon.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Byron Connell [mailto:bconnell@...]
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 7:11 AM
> To: ICG-BOD@egroups.com; stremble@...
> Subject: [ICG-BOD] Costumer's Quarterly Addresses
>
>
> <Yesterday, Carl told me that 38 of the 420 copies of the last issue
> of the Quarterly had been returned by the U.S. Postal Service with
> bad addresses.>
>
>
> <5. I directed Carl to drop-ship to the chapters all issues of the
> Quarterly following the 1999 issue, assuming we have the
> postage. Your chapters may use any method they wish to
> distribute the copies to their members who are subscribers. Copies
> will have a subscriber's name, but not necessarily an address.
> This will be significantly less costly for the ICG than bulk-mailing
> directly to subscribers who can't bother to tell us correct
> addresses.>
>
>
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 140	From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Re: Attachments...

Yep, both lists are set to allow attachments.

However, attachments are removed from messages
in the daily digests.

Therefore, if a member has elected to receive the
list(s) as a daily digest, they have to go to
the web page and view the message in the archive
to access the attachment.

Hope this clarifies the attachment issue.
JohnO

ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran wrote:

>
> I originally set the list to not allow attachments,
> but I though I set them back to allow attachments.
>
> I'll check the settings.
>
> JohnO
>
> Carol Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > I keep getting "this message contained attachments"
> > instead of a message. I hope these attachments aren't
> > crucial.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 141	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Costumers' Quarterly Addresses

Eileen --

I didn't intend that this would apply to the chapters outside the US.
We'll continue to send you a master (either by post or e-mail) to
reproduce and distribute.

I wish we could do that with all the chapters. It would get rid of
our headache of updating addresses and deiversing pacages to
the Post Office.

Carl/Dora - - Has the master copy been sent to WCCG?

Byron

>>> capsam@... 11/03/00 10:31PM >>>

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 142	From: Byron Connell	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board

Eileen Capes asked whether the Board of Directors has the
authority to set the dues payable to the Corporation. It does. The
By-laws charge the Board with the day-to-day governance of the
Corporation. The Standing Rules set the amount of annual dues; they may be amended by a simple majority vote of either the
Board or the membership represented at the Annual Meetng.

With regard to the level at which to set ICG dues, Eileen said,
"wouldn't a more logical approach be to look at our total annual
expenses and divide by the lowest number of members we
reasonably expect to have." She saw this as a more rational way
to set revenue than the motion on the floor.

Please remeber that the motion on the floor had been made by
Bruce Mai. It proposed increasing the dues and including the ICG
Annual within the price of membership. Several chapters found
the amount proposed too high and called for smaller increases that
their members could tolerate. That's actually fairly rational; it's
market-based pricing (i.e, "what the market will bear"). The
market apparently won't bear dues of more than about $4.00.

The proposed $4.00 per member per year dues actually is pretty
close to what this year's budget needs. The ICG budget for 2000
included total operating expenses of $2,486.66 (excluding the
Quarterly, which is budgeted separately). The budget assumed
600 members. The amount of annual dues needed to generate
that much revenue from 600 members is $4.11.

On the other hand, at the end of September we had only about
350 paid members. At that level, we would have needed to
charge $7.11 per member to break even. On the third hand,
initially we had planned on a budget based on 1000 members
(down slightly from the 1100+ the year before). On the fourth
hand, apparently by late October we had 1457 members
(according to Sharon's third quarter report).

So, how many members should we plan for: 350, 600, 1000,
1100, 1457? We've seen all five numbers during the course of
this year. This is one of our single greatest problems. We do
not have a stable membership; therefore, we do not have a stable
revenue base.

What are your thoughts?

Byron

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 143	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses

There are only 68 subscribers plus chapter copies left for the 3rd
quarter 2000. Why punish the local chapters who continue to support
the Costumer Quarterly? The chapters shouldering the drop shipments
are probably not the ones that caused this problem. I believe the
same chapters that have given up on the Quarterly are also the main
culprits behind the outdated addresses.

I already have an outstanding question with Dora regarding mailing
the CQ in a different manner to save money. 85 copies the next time
around would probably be too little for a bulk mailing.

I urge the BOD to reconsider the drop shipments once they get the
information regarding how much money is left in the PO account and
how much it would cost to separately mail the CQs to those who
continue to subscribe. The members who subscribed at the prevailing
rate should not have their CQs delayed any more than necessary by
adding another step, if financially possible.

Another thought is why should a couple of chapters also shoulder the
cost of remailing the CQs because they continue to urge subscription?

Sharon

--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote in
part:

> Yesterday, Carl told me that 38 of the 420 copies of the last issue
> of the Quarterly had been returned by the U.S. Postal Service with
> bad addresses. That's 9 percent of the entire subscription list!
>

>
> 5. I directed Carl to drop-ship to the chapters all issues of the
> Quarterly following the 1999 issue, assuming we have the
> postage. Your chapters may use any method they wish to
> distribute the copies to their members who are subscribers. Copies
> will have a subscriber's name, but not necessarily an address.
> This will be significantly less costly for the ICG than bulk-mailing
> directly to subscribers who can't bother to tell us correct
> addresses.
>
> Byron

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 144	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board

When and how is the vote on the motions to be held?

The Sick Pups are meeting Saturday Nov. 11th and these motions have
been on the floor for a couple of weeks. Some chapters have
commented openly on how they feel based on meeting they've had since
the end of October.

I think Northern Lights is meeting Nov. 12th.

Are any chapters meeting later in November?

Can we set a cut-off for discussion and an official vote process
incl. paper to the chapters not represented on this list?

Sharon

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 145	From: Ken Warren	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board

> Please remeber that the motion on the floor had been made by
> Bruce Mai. It proposed increasing the dues and including the ICG
> Annual within the price of membership. Several chapters found
> the amount proposed too high and called for smaller increases that
> their members could tolerate. That's actually fairly rational; it's
> market-based pricing (i.e, "what the market will bear"). The
> market apparently won't bear dues of more than about $4.00.

Not quite correct, Byron. There are two competing motions. One (made by me
and seconded by Dora) proposes raising the dues to $4.00 effective the 6th
of January. The other, made by Bruce (I *think* it was in the form of a
motion, anyway) but not seconded, proposes raising the dues to $10.00 and
including the Annual.

I haven't seen a lot of formal debate on my motion, but most folks seem to
not object hugely to the $4.00 I proposed, and which I arrived at by
"splitting the difference" between $3.00 and $5.00, both of which were
mentioned at various points. It was totally arbitrary. I would consider a
friendly amendment to change the amount if it could be demonstrated to my
satisfaction that it *should* be changed to cover normal operating costs of
the ICG.

> On the other hand, at the end of September we had only about
> 350 paid members. At that level, we would have needed to
> charge $7.11 per member to break even. On the third hand,
> initially we had planned on a budget based on 1000 members
> (down slightly from the 1100+ the year before). On the fourth
> hand, apparently by late October we had 1457 members
> (according to Sharon's third quarter report).

Umm, Byron, you haven't become one or another Hindu deity, have you? That's
an awful lot of hands for a mere mortal. :-)

> So, how many members should we plan for: 350, 600, 1000,
> 1100, 1457? We've seen all five numbers during the course of
> this year. This is one of our single greatest problems. We do
> not have a stable membership; therefore, we do not have a stable
> revenue base.
>
> What are your thoughts?

We need some sort of reasoned projection of how many members we will have at
various points throughout the year. This probably means an in-depth analysis
of membership numbers over time needs to be done. In general, I would
probably try something like the following:

Take our current membership count at the beginning of this quarter last
year. Divide by 4. Then add the numbers of renewals and new memberships
received during each of the following quarters:

* Apr-Jun 2000
* Jan-Mar 2000
* Oct-Dec 1999

You'll note that I've omitted the most recent (completed) quarter. That was
on purpose; there was undoubtedly an element of "Omigod! the ICG is in
trouble! Let's rally round!" involved in any increase seen in that period,
and we can't count on that continuing. If we did, we would probably
anticipate >100% growth per year for the coming year, which is wildly
unlikely. There's something fishy about that 1,457 number, too, but I can't
put my finger on what. I would like to find a way to exclude that, unless it
can be demonstrated that it *isn't* an anomaly. Spikes in the data can
really screw up all sorts of analysis.

This is just a guess at a mechanism that we might be able to use to make a
reasoned estimate of our membership next year, not a recommendation that we
do it this way. I have no expertise in this area, and don't know what we
might actually *do* with the numbers that we would get, other than say
"We'll have $X,000 of income, so we can't spend more than that. Here's a
budget that keeps us from going back into the red."

Ken Warren

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 146	From: Dina Flockhart	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Costumers' Quarterly Addresses

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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 147	From: Dina Flockhart	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board

This is Dina again from Northern Lights.
At 01:49 PM 11/6/00 -0500, Byron wrote:

>
>Please remeber that the motion on the floor had been made by
>Bruce Mai. It proposed increasing the dues and including the ICG
>Annual within the price of membership. Several chapters found
>the amount proposed too high and called for smaller increases that
>their members could tolerate. That's actually fairly rational; it's
>market-based pricing (i.e, "what the market will bear"). The
>market apparently won't bear dues of more than about $4.00.
>

The Northern Lights meeting is November 12th, but we have an email list so
discussions don't have to wait fot a meeting. Voting does. The current
feeling is that we will accept an increase in dues up to $4 per person; we
can still cover this under our student rate of $5. In general, we are
against including any centralized publications in the ICG membership - most
of our long term ICG members only rejoined because we severed our
membership from CQ. At least one member besides me was relieved that
membership would not generate additional paper clutter in her house.

Personally, I find the complimentary copies of other chapters' newsletters
much more intereesting than the CQ or the Annual - yes, I know that is due
to lack of submissions from the chapters. Let's not discuss that can of
worms right now.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 148	From: Dora Buck	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: CQ

Responding to Dina comment.

If each chapter sends a complimentary newsletter from their own chapter, you
are correct, there is no need for the Costumer's Quarterly. But then it is
each chapters responsibility to see that a newsletter is produced to inform
everyone else what is taking place in their part of the guild. That would
save a lot of bookkeeping and headaches and expenses for the ICG. This is a
great short term fix, but in the long term it will serve to isolate the
guilds without anyone able to pass the information along. There are other
problems not the least of which is that a publication of some sort may be
necessary to keep our tax free status (not sure of this).

Dora Buck
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 149	From: Dina Flockhart	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: CQ

You misunderstand. I was recommending chapter distribution of CQ rahter
than bulk mail. I was making a personal comparison rather than a
recommendation when I commented on the chapter newsletter. A compliment
actually.

At 06:50 PM 11/6/00 EST, you wrote:

>Responding to Dina comment.
>
>If each chapter sends a complimentary newsletter from their own chapter, you
>are correct, there is no need for the Costumer's Quarterly. But then it is
>each chapters responsibility to see that a newsletter is produced to inform
>everyone else what is taking place in their part of the guild. That would
>save a lot of bookkeeping and headaches and expenses for the ICG. This is a
>great short term fix, but in the long term it will serve to isolate the
>guilds without anyone able to pass the information along. There are other
>problems not the least of which is that a publication of some sort may be
>necessary to keep our tax free status (not sure of this).
>
>Dora Buck
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 150	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: CQ

> If each chapter sends a complimentary newsletter from their own chapter,

you

> are correct, there is no need for the Costumer's Quarterly.

This is suggesting that CQ is no more than an events listing publication
bulked out by reprints of chapter newsletter items. Is that what we really
want?

-C.