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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 151 From: Dora Buck Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: CQ
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 152 From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 153 From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 154 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 155 From: Timothy Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 156 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: CQ
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 157 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: CQ
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 158 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 159 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 160 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 161 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 162 From: Timothy Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 163 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 164 From: Dora Buck Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 165 From: McClure, Kate Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: BRCG Elections
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 166 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 167 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: BRCG Elections
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 168 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 169 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 170 From: Dora Buck Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: 1999 costumer's quarterly
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 171 From: Ken Warren Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 172 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 173 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: CQ
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 174 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 175 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: CQ
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 176 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 177 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 178 From: McClure, Kate Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 179 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 180 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 181 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 182 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board (november meetings)
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 183 From: beckystember Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 184 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 185 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 186 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 187 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 188 From: sandyswank@aol.com Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 189 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board (november meetings)
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 190 From: Timothy Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board (november meetings)
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 191 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 192 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 193 From: Cathy Holroyd Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 194 From: John O'Halloran Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Announcement wording
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 195 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Nominee for alternate
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 196 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Silence intentional?
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 197 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 198 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Treasurer' s report
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 199 From: cdmami Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 200 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: CQ



Group: ICG-BOD Message: 151 From: Dora Buck Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: CQ
Chris
In reply to your remark the CQ was not and never will be a reprint of
newsletter articles.
It is as I have said it is the lifeline between chapters so no
person(member) will be left out of the loop of news.
It function is to inform everyone what is happening through the guild to
inform the UK and NY what you are doing down under. To report the
presidents message to the members at large and to report the news of the ICG
to everyone.
this idea has somehow been lost on the board of directors as well as the
rank and file.
the reason for this misdirection has been the board and others who have made
policy with out thinking(knowing) what the CQ stood for.
It's second job is to instruct as best it can on the items of interest to
all guild members with how to and news of up coming major events as well as
report on events that some may be unable to attend.
It has not been able to do this as the staff before me it was one person and
no help for the primary mission let alone the secondary mission. The
records submitted by the chapters are in poor condition at best and more
likely a disaster with no address correction and withholding of even the
simple update.
This has been the mission of the CQ and to date it has been done without the
full support of the guild but with the finger pointing of people not willing
to look carefully into the problems.
Even CC-20 your event has not filed any story of events planned or hard news
of the upcoming event other than the date.
Maybe you should look into the problem and explain why it is necessary to
ask third parties for hard news and information of this important event.
If you are not part of the solution you are the problem
Thank you
Carl Mami


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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 152 From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
Then may I suggest to the board that in addition to the Financial and CQ
issues, that a Mission Statement, Core Goals or whichever buzz word
applies, needs to be developed.

It seems to this observer that the many questions from the Local
Chapters and individual members: "What does the ICG do?, "What does
being a member get me?", "...my chapter?", but they are all the same
basic question.

"What is the ICG?"

As part and parcel of asking for higher dues, higher subscription prices
for CQ, adding the Annual as subscription item, banging away for
material for the publications, the ICG needs to be able to justify why
it's asking for the $$ or the submissions.

Currently there is a slate of officers, staff and BOD with the drive and
passion to make anything work, but what I think we are missing to get
the ICG working is a vision to be a goal to work to.

All I ask for is a vision, not the details, just the lofty goal.

Thanks and sorry for taking up so much of your time.

JohnO

Byron Connell wrote:
>
> Not to my knowledge.
>
> Byron
>
> >>> icg@costume.org 11/02/00 10:47PM >>>
> I've just checked the Standing Rules, Bylaws and 3c501 documents.
>
> I don't have a copy of the Maryland incorporation and the statement on
> the home page is taken from Whole Costumers Catalogue (with permission
> of Karen Dick (publisher) and Cat Devereaux (author of the ICG
> section)).
>
> Does the ICG have a "official" mission statement?
>
> JohnO
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 153 From: ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested
This sounds good to me and I've seen only one negative comment.

Since I'm an observer, I'd like to request someone to make this a motion
please.

Thanks
JohnO


Byron Connell wrote:
>
> How does this sound?
>
> A. All voting members of the ICG Board of Directors are
> subscribers to ICG-BOD. These include the five ICG officers and
> the officially designated representative of each chapter.
>
> B. To promote communication, each chapter has the option of
> designating one additional, non-voting, subscriber.
>
> C.. The following persons are non-voting subvscribers:
>
> 1. Immediate past ICG President.
> 2. ICG Parliamentarian.
> 3. ICG Webmaster/Listmaster.
> 4. Costumer's Quarterly Editor
> 5. Other ICG members designated by the ICG President or by the
> Board.
>
> I suggest this as a way to let chapters add back-up subscribers
> without abandoning all controls on the size of the Board.
> Whatever we decide about centralized vs. decentralized
> organization, clearly, we must improve communication with and
> among the chapters and members. This would be one way to do
> so. The <maximum> size of ICG-BOD would be 44 if every
> chapter designates a second subscriber(assuming neither I nor the
> Board adds any non-voting subscribers).
>
> Byron
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 154 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Byron said:

> >
> >Please remeber that the motion on the floor had been made by
> >Bruce Mai. It proposed increasing the dues and including the ICG
> >Annual within the price of membership. Several chapters found
> >the amount proposed too high and called for smaller increases that
> >their members could tolerate. That's actually fairly rational; it's
> >market-based pricing (i.e, "what the market will bear"). The
> >market apparently won't bear dues of more than about $4.00.

Hell. I might as well withdraw that proposal, since its original intention
was to pay for the Annual.....


Dina said:
> >
> The Northern Lights meeting is November 12th, but we have an email list so
> discussions don't have to wait fot a meeting. Voting does. The current
> feeling is that we will accept an increase in dues up to $4 per person;
we
> can still cover this under our student rate of $5. In general, we are
> against including any centralized publications in the ICG membership -
most
> of our long term ICG members only rejoined because we severed our
> membership from CQ. At least one member besides me was relieved that
> membership would not generate additional paper clutter in her house.

Well, I'd like to think of the Annual as more than clutter. And frankly,
unless the ICG does something more than what it is doing for its membership,
some people may think it's an additional $3 down a rat hole. But I have a
feeling that $4 just may not cover giving every member an Annual. It's a
shame that no one has seemed very enthusiastic about the basic proposal we
had (leaving out the amount of dues to raise).

Dina also said:

>
> Personally, I find the complimentary copies of other chapters' newsletters
> much more intereesting than the CQ or the Annual - yes, I know that is due
> to lack of submissions from the chapters. Let's not discuss that can of
> worms right now.

I agree, to an extent, but don't hold your breath on that one.....

Bruce
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 155 From: Timothy Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested
I like Byron's proposal, however, I feel that the chair or another representative from each special committee be represented. It could help keep the BOD updated on the findings of those committees.

Michael
Millennium CG

>> How does this sound?
>>
>> A. All voting members of the ICG Board of Directors are
>> subscribers to ICG-BOD. These include the five ICG officers and
>> the officially designated representative of each chapter.
>>
>> B. To promote communication, each chapter has the option of
>> designating one additional, non-voting, subscriber.
>>
>> C.. The following persons are non-voting subvscribers:
>>
>> 1. Immediate past ICG President.
>> 2. ICG Parliamentarian.
>> 3. ICG Webmaster/Listmaster.
>> 4. Costumer's Quarterly Editor
>> 5. Other ICG members designated by the ICG President or by the
>> Board.
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 156 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: CQ
Dora --

I strongly disagree that there would be no need for the Quarterly if
all chapters exchanged newsletters. You see the Quarterly as a
compilation of news from the chapters. I see it as a journal on
costuming. From my point of view, most of the contents of each
issue should consist of articles about costume and costuming, not
news from chapters that must be several months old when it is
published. If I had my druthers, we'd drop that element completely
and focus on feature articles.

Byron


>>> dfbuck@hotmail.com 11/06/00 06:50PM >>>
Responding to Dina comment.

If each chapter sends a complimentary newsletter from their own chapter, you
are correct, there is no need for the Costumer's Quarterly. But then it is
each chapters responsibility to see that a newsletter is produced to inform
everyone else what is taking place in their part of the guild. That would
save a lot of bookkeeping and headaches and expenses for the ICG. This is a
great short term fix, but in the long term it will serve to isolate the
guilds without anyone able to pass the information along. There are other
problems not the least of which is that a publication of some sort may be
necessary to keep our tax free status (not sure of this).

Dora Buck
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 157 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: CQ
The chapters exchanging newsletters are currently only sending them
to the main chapter address. Most of those on this list are that
address so we don't see it from the member's viewpoint.

The typical ICG member does not receive anything other than their
local chapter newsletter and have the option of receiving the CQ and
the Annual. They may view them at local chapter meetings, but I
doubt copies were made for them to take home with them to salivate
over what else is going on in the far-flung reaches of the ICG.

My POV is that I'm not the Pup address and I don't want to be the Pup
address. Additionally, I pretend I'm too busy at a Pup meeting to
read them so they don't see my lips moving.

I would think a goal of newsletter exchange is to give other local
chapters ideas as to what can be done with events or just the
newsletter itself.

Sharon

>
>
> >>> dfbuck@h... 11/06/00 06:50PM wrote:>>>
>
>
> If each chapter sends a complimentary newsletter from their own
chapter, you
> are correct, there is no need for the Costumer's Quarterly. But
then it is
> each chapters responsibility to see that a newsletter is produced
to inform
> everyone else what is taking place in their part of the guild.
That would
> save a lot of bookkeeping and headaches and expenses for the ICG.
This is a
> great short term fix, but in the long term it will serve to isolate
the
> guilds without anyone able to pass the information along. There
are other
> problems not the least of which is that a publication of some sort
may be
> necessary to keep our tax free status (not sure of this).
>
> Dora Buck
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 158 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Membership ruling requested
Do we need a formal vote on this? I see it as guidance to the
Listmaster on admitting subscribers to ICG-BOD rather than a
Board policy. I am amenable to Michael's proposal to add the
chairs of the committees as non-voting members, if they're not
already represented. Right now, all the committees are
represented, so we only need to remember this modification if we
create new committees.

If there is no objection from Board members, I propose that JohnO
implement the proposal.

Byron


>>> icg@costume.org 11/06/00 10:02PM >>>
This sounds good to me and I've seen only one negative comment.

Since I'm an observer, I'd like to request someone to make this a motion
please.

Thanks
JohnO


Byron Connell wrote:
>
> How does this sound?
>
> A. All voting members of the ICG Board of Directors are
> subscribers to ICG-BOD. These include the five ICG officers and
> the officially designated representative of each chapter.
>
> B. To promote communication, each chapter has the option of
> designating one additional, non-voting, subscriber.
>
> C.. The following persons are non-voting subvscribers:
>
> 1. Immediate past ICG President.
> 2. ICG Parliamentarian.
> 3. ICG Webmaster/Listmaster.
> 4. Costumer's Quarterly Editor
> 5. Other ICG members designated by the ICG President or by the
> Board.
>
> I suggest this as a way to let chapters add back-up subscribers
> without abandoning all controls on the size of the Board.
> Whatever we decide about centralized vs. decentralized
> organization, clearly, we must improve communication with and
> among the chapters and members. This would be one way to do
> so. The <maximum> size of ICG-BOD would be 44 if every
> chapter designates a second subscriber(assuming neither I nor the
> Board adds any non-voting subscribers).
>
> Byron
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 159 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
OK. Who wants to take a whack at statements of the mission of
the ICG, our vision for the Corporation, and our overall goals?

Byron


>>> icg@costume.org 11/06/00 10:17PM >>>
Then may I suggest to the board that in addition to the Financial and CQ
issues, that a Mission Statement, Core Goals or whichever buzz word
applies, needs to be developed.

It seems to this observer that the many questions from the Local
Chapters and individual members: "What does the ICG do?, "What does
being a member get me?", "...my chapter?", but they are all the same
basic question.

"What is the ICG?"

As part and parcel of asking for higher dues, higher subscription prices
for CQ, adding the Annual as subscription item, banging away for
material for the publications, the ICG needs to be able to justify why
it's asking for the $$ or the submissions.

Currently there is a slate of officers, staff and BOD with the drive and
passion to make anything work, but what I think we are missing to get
the ICG working is a vision to be a goal to work to.

All I ask for is a vision, not the details, just the lofty goal.

Thanks and sorry for taking up so much of your time.

JohnO

Byron Connell wrote:
>
> Not to my knowledge.
>
> Byron
>
> >>> icg@costume.org 11/02/00 10:47PM >>>
> I've just checked the Standing Rules, Bylaws and 3c501 documents.
>
> I don't have a copy of the Maryland incorporation and the statement on
> the home page is taken from Whole Costumers Catalogue (with permission
> of Karen Dick (publisher) and Cat Devereaux (author of the ICG
> section)).
>
> Does the ICG have a "official" mission statement?
>
> JohnO
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 160 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses
That's incredible! Are you sure? The Pups must be close to half
of the remaining subscribers, since we include CQ in the
membership and we have something close to 30 members.

If this is true, why are we bothering?

Byron


>>> callisto@netlabs.net 11/06/00 02:25PM >>>
There are only 68 subscribers plus chapter copies left for the 3rd
quarter 2000.

Sharon
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 161 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Costumer's Quarterly Addresses
CQ is optional for Sick Pups. Most still subscribe.

My concentration in October was the member count for the chapters and
I was a bit crazed by updating Australia and CGW in the same weekend -
that's 650 people. Only member update of note to that is there are
now 68 members of the CGUK. Will give a complete update soonish. I
scrubbed the spreadsheet to get rid of all the outstanding subs that
expired in 1999 along with 1&2 2000. My corrected count, now that
it's a lot easier to look at is 79 subscribers plus chapter copies.
Roughly 100.

For those chapters with just one subscriber, I'm listing a nickname
because I think it a little bizarre it's not a local chapter officer
in all cases. As an additional suggestion, what do you guys think if
we asked the local chapter to pay for one subscription to cover the
one chapter copy going to them, just in the case of US chapters? Non-
US would be rec'g one anyway.

CGW has 14
GBACG has 9
Gtr Columbia has 8
Sacramento has 16 (our model chapter, 16 members, 16 subs)
Millenium has 1 (Kelli N)
Northern Lights have 1 (Zanne L)
Sick Pups have 18
Utah has 8
Sluts have 1 (Pierre P)
Southwest has 1 (Frances B)
Beyond Reality has 1 (Kate M)
Delaware Valley has 1 (Marcy H)


Status on non-US, western Canada pays the $1 per household CQ sub fee
like clockwork. Australia and UK have not. I was not able to clarify
that when I took over as ICG treasurer. I was initially told they
pay the actual shipping cost for one copy from US to them. Chris
Ballis says the $1 per member per year deal was discussed and agreed
to, but I would think it was suspended due to lack of CQ production.
If Australia and UK receive the 1999 combo issue, 1st qtr 2000 and
2nd qtr 2000 and are satisfied, should they remit the $1 per member
or the shipping costs?


Sharon



--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote:
> That's incredible! Are you sure? The Pups must be close to half
> of the remaining subscribers, since we include CQ in the
> membership and we have something close to 30 members.
>
> If this is true, why are we bothering?
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> callisto@n... 11/06/00 02:25PM >>>
> There are only 68 subscribers plus chapter copies left for the 3rd
> quarter 2000.
>
> Sharon
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 162 From: Timothy Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
I've always been under the impression that the purpose of the ICG was to promote costuming as an artform.

Michael

>OK. Who wants to take a whack at statements of the mission of
>the ICG, our vision for the Corporation, and our overall goals?
>
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 163 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
We could start with what's on the ICG web site:

A not-for-profit educational and cultural organization, the
International Costumers' Guild is organized into regional chapters
across North America, Australia, and Britain. Each chapter
organizes its own activities, ranging from newsletters and
workshops to gala costumed events.

Since 1983, the International Costumers' Guild has
linked costumers across the U.S. and Canada, Great Britain, and
Australia, providing educational, cultural, social, and community
service opportunities for amateur and professional costumers
alike. The Guild provides a public forum for the discussion of
costume, clothing, and related subjects through publications --
such as its journal, The Costumer's Quarterly -- conferences, and
other projects, and seeks to promote public goodwill toward the
costuming community. Membership is open to anyone interested
in any aspect of costume -- including design, construction, history,
preservation, photography, and display.

For a growing number of people, making, wearing, and
studying costumes -- from history, from the theater, from the
imagination -- is an absorbing, year-round pastime.




--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Timothy" <plastic@c...> wrote:
> I've always been under the impression that the purpose of the ICG
was to promote costuming as an artform.
>
> Michael
>
> >OK. Who wants to take a whack at statements of the mission of
> >the ICG, our vision for the Corporation, and our overall goals?
> >
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 164 From: Dora Buck Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board



>>When and how is the vote on the motions to be held?

> We could send out the paper work at the Pups meeting on Nov 11th.

>
>Can we set a cut-off for discussion and an official vote process
>incl. paper to the chapters not represented on this list?
>
>Sharon
>
I think a paper process is in order, that way each chapter will have an official say in the vote. I am not sure if every chapter is on the ICG-BOD list.
Dora


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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 165 From: McClure, Kate Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: BRCG Elections
> Hello!
> The recent Beyond Reality Costumers Guild elections for officers brought
> not only myself back as Grand Pooh-Bah, but also Vicki Glover in her
> second term as Lesser Pooh-Bah. Newly elected are Margo Loes as Treasurer
> (Much to her surprise!), Richard Stephens as Secretary, Cheryl Glover as
> Webmeister, and Lori Edwards as Event Liaison.
> Kate
>
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 166 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Uh... yes, the Pups will discuss many things on the 11th. If
anything said is pertinent to the BOD's discussions, I can impart it
in a manner similar to the other chapter's reps to the BOD over the
weekend.

I meant the ICG as a whole getting the official Board of Directors to
vote on the two motions that have been seconded - ICG = $4 and CQ =
$15 - in an organized fashion.

Basically, is this to be voted on at the ICG Annual Meeting in May at
CC19 or sooner? If sooner, when? If either motion is defeated, then
the discussion begins on whether these ideas were good or stunk, and
then what do we do next.

Sharon
A spaz, but I didn't vote for someone who wasn't living. Silly sluts.

--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Dora Buck" <dfbuck@h...> wrote:
>
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 167 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: BRCG Elections
[Congratulations] Condolences all around to BRCG's [suckers] loyal officers.

Byron


>>> kmcclur@denims01.mrg.uswest.com 11/08/00 01:15PM >>>
> Hello!
> The recent Beyond Reality Costumers Guild elections for officers brought
> not only myself back as Grand Pooh-Bah, but also Vicki Glover in her
> second term as Lesser Pooh-Bah. Newly elected are Margo Loes as Treasurer
> (Much to her surprise!), Richard Stephens as Secretary, Cheryl Glover as
> Webmeister, and Lori Edwards as Event Liaison.
> Kate
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 168 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Standing Rules 3 and 23, respectively, set the amount of ICG dues and the CQ annual subscription price for U.S. members. We do not need to wait for the Annual Meeting to change them; the Board has the power to amend the Standing Rules by an affirmative vote of at least three-fifths (60 percent) of the members. The Board has 21 voting members; therefore, each motion needs 13 "yes" votes for adoption.

Therefore, I propose the following. Assuming we have talked these two motions to death, we should proceed to vote next week, following the Pups and Northern Lights meetings (11/11 and 11/12, respectively, I believe). I will send out paper ballots; please use them to vote and return them as quickly as possible.

We need definitive statements of each motion to use on the ballot. Sharon, you've been tracking the discussion carefully. Can you frame them for us?

If there are no objections, that's how we'll handle it.

Byron


>>> callisto@netlabs.net 11/08/00 01:38PM >>>
Uh... yes, the Pups will discuss many things on the 11th. If
anything said is pertinent to the BOD's discussions, I can impart it
in a manner similar to the other chapter's reps to the BOD over the
weekend.

I meant the ICG as a whole getting the official Board of Directors to
vote on the two motions that have been seconded - ICG = $4 and CQ =
$15 - in an organized fashion.

Basically, is this to be voted on at the ICG Annual Meeting in May at
CC19 or sooner? If sooner, when? If either motion is defeated, then
the discussion begins on whether these ideas were good or stunk, and
then what do we do next.

Sharon
A spaz, but I didn't vote for someone who wasn't living. Silly sluts.

--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Dora Buck" <dfbuck@h...> wrote:
>
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 169 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Me? This Sharon? Can Ken as the motioner for both confirm?


Motion #1:
Raise the United States subscription rate of the Costumer Quarterly
from $8.00 US per annum to $15.00 US per annum, effective January 6,
2001.

Motioned by Ken Warren, ICG VP
Seconded by Dora Buck, ICG Rec. Secretary

Motion #2:
Raise the ICG basic membership rate from $1.00 US per annum to $4.00
US per annum, effective January 6, 2001.

Motioned by Ken Warren, ICG VP
Seconded by Dora Buck, ICG Rec. Secretary

Motion #3:
Increase the ICG annual dues by $10.00 US per annum, and include the
ICG Annual as a benefit of membership.

Motioned by Bruce Mai, St. Louis
NO Second



--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote in
part:
> Standing Rules 3 and 23, respectively, set the amount of ICG dues
and the CQ annual subscription price for U.S. members. We do not
need to wait for the Annual Meeting to change them; the Board has the
power to amend the Standing Rules by an affirmative vote of at least
three-fifths (60 percent) of the members. The Board has 21 voting
members; therefore, each motion needs 13 "yes" votes for adoption.
>
>
> We need definitive statements of each motion to use on the ballot.
Sharon, you've been tracking the discussion carefully. Can you frame
them for us?
>
> If there are no objections, that's how we'll handle it.
>
> Byron
>
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 170 From: Dora Buck Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: 1999 costumer's quarterly
The costumer's quarterly issue for 1999 is in the mail. I would appreciate
it if when you receive your copy drop a line to let us know that you
received it and in what shape.

To the Canadian, Australian and UK guild, I sent galleys of the 1999 issue,
also the 1st and 2nd issues of 2000. These were sent first class air mail.
I would also appreciate a line when you receive them.

I apoligize for any problems that I may have caused in mailing of the CQ.

Thanking you in advance for you understanding.

Dora Buck
Assistant Editor

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 171 From: Ken Warren Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
> Me? This Sharon? Can Ken as the motioner for both confirm?

Those look right to me...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 172 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Any chance I can just withdraw my motion at this point? Nobody's buch liked
it, anyway.....


----- Original Message -----
From: <callisto@netlabs.net>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 4:24 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Re: Vrs. motions before the board


> Me? This Sharon? Can Ken as the motioner for both confirm?
>
>
> Motion #1:
> Raise the United States subscription rate of the Costumer Quarterly
> from $8.00 US per annum to $15.00 US per annum, effective January 6,
> 2001.
>
> Motioned by Ken Warren, ICG VP
> Seconded by Dora Buck, ICG Rec. Secretary
>
> Motion #2:
> Raise the ICG basic membership rate from $1.00 US per annum to $4.00
> US per annum, effective January 6, 2001.
>
> Motioned by Ken Warren, ICG VP
> Seconded by Dora Buck, ICG Rec. Secretary
>
> Motion #3:
> Increase the ICG annual dues by $10.00 US per annum, and include the
> ICG Annual as a benefit of membership.
>
> Motioned by Bruce Mai, St. Louis
> NO Second
>
>
>
> --- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote in
> part:
> > Standing Rules 3 and 23, respectively, set the amount of ICG dues
> and the CQ annual subscription price for U.S. members. We do not
> need to wait for the Annual Meeting to change them; the Board has the
> power to amend the Standing Rules by an affirmative vote of at least
> three-fifths (60 percent) of the members. The Board has 21 voting
> members; therefore, each motion needs 13 "yes" votes for adoption.
> >
> >
> > We need definitive statements of each motion to use on the ballot.
> Sharon, you've been tracking the discussion carefully. Can you frame
> them for us?
> >
> > If there are no objections, that's how we'll handle it.
> >
> > Byron
> >
>
>
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 173 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: CQ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Connell" <bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] CQ


> Dora --
>
> I strongly disagree that there would be no need for the Quarterly if
> all chapters exchanged newsletters. You see the Quarterly as a
> compilation of news from the chapters. I see it as a journal on
> costuming. From my point of view, most of the contents of each
> issue should consist of articles about costume and costuming, not
> news from chapters that must be several months old when it is
> published. If I had my druthers, we'd drop that element completely
> and focus on feature articles.
>
> Byron


Hmmmm....hm .... hhmmmmm....annual.......hmmm hmm hhmmm.......
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 174 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
----- Original Message -----
From: <callisto@netlabs.net>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 1:28 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Re: Vrs. motions before the board


> Are any chapters meeting later in November?

The SLUTS meet the 18th of this month.

Bruce
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 175 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: CQ
Waht we have here, then, is a definite difference of opinion of what the
vision/philosophy of the CQ should be. To be honest, its direction is
probably up to the discretion of the Editor, but I tend to agree with Byron.
Yet, there needs to be at least some sort of record in the CQ about what the
other chapters are up to. Just perhaps not the main focus.

Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Connell" <bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] CQ


> Dora --
>
> I strongly disagree that there would be no need for the Quarterly if
> all chapters exchanged newsletters. You see the Quarterly as a
> compilation of news from the chapters. I see it as a journal on
> costuming. From my point of view, most of the contents of each
> issue should consist of articles about costume and costuming, not
> news from chapters that must be several months old when it is
> published. If I had my druthers, we'd drop that element completely
> and focus on feature articles.
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> dfbuck@hotmail.com 11/06/00 06:50PM >>>
> Responding to Dina comment.
>
> If each chapter sends a complimentary newsletter from their own chapter,
you
> are correct, there is no need for the Costumer's Quarterly. But then it
is
> each chapters responsibility to see that a newsletter is produced to
inform
> everyone else what is taking place in their part of the guild. That would
> save a lot of bookkeeping and headaches and expenses for the ICG. This is
a
> great short term fix, but in the long term it will serve to isolate the
> guilds without anyone able to pass the information along. There are other
> problems not the least of which is that a publication of some sort may be
> necessary to keep our tax free status (not sure of this).
>
> Dora Buck
>
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 176 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
In an 11/8, 9:13 p.m., message, Ken confirmed the texts of these motions.

Bruce Mai has asked to withdraw motion #3. It has no second, anyway, so it is not on the floor. Under those circumstances, I am accepting his request. Motion #3 has been withdrawn.

Yesterday, Carl left me a voice mail message asking that we amend motion #1 to increase the CQ subscription price for U.S. members to $18.00. This would assure that the sub will cover the cost of printing and mailing for some time. I ask for a motion and a second to that effect.

Bruce Mai said that the SLUTS will meet on the 18th. Bruce, if you want to discuss the motions with your chapter at that time, we will hold the vote till after your meeting. What is your preference?

Byron


>>> callisto@netlabs.net 11/08/00 05:24PM >>>
Me? This Sharon? Can Ken as the motioner for both confirm?


Motion #1:
Raise the United States subscription rate of the Costumer Quarterly
from $8.00 US per annum to $15.00 US per annum, effective January 6,
2001.

Motioned by Ken Warren, ICG VP
Seconded by Dora Buck, ICG Rec. Secretary

Motion #2:
Raise the ICG basic membership rate from $1.00 US per annum to $4.00
US per annum, effective January 6, 2001.

Motioned by Ken Warren, ICG VP
Seconded by Dora Buck, ICG Rec. Secretary

Motion #3:
Increase the ICG annual dues by $10.00 US per annum, and include the
ICG Annual as a benefit of membership.

Motioned by Bruce Mai, St. Louis
NO Second


--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote in
part:
> Standing Rules 3 and 23, respectively, set the amount of ICG dues
and the CQ annual subscription price for U.S. members. We do not
need to wait for the Annual Meeting to change them; the Board has the
power to amend the Standing Rules by an affirmative vote of at least
three-fifths (60 percent) of the members. The Board has 21 voting
members; therefore, each motion needs 13 "yes" votes for adoption.
>
> We need definitive statements of each motion to use on the ballot.
Sharon, you've been tracking the discussion carefully. Can you frame
them for us?
>
> If there are no objections, that's how we'll handle it.
>
> Byron
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 177 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Wait a minute, ...

<Pssst, that's a flaring up alert>

If it's been determined the cost to print and mail the CQ is almost
$13, and originally $15 was thought to be a good, round figure with a
little room for budget overrun, why not leave it that way?

Is there already a plan to upgrade the CQ to spend the excess? If
so, what is the planned solution to increase subscriber satisfaction?

There is a serious problem with budgeting. The Budget and Finance
Committee had recommended adopting a budget and sticking to it.
Having more money in the kitty is not the answer to fixing that
problem. It's still being run as a first to spend, first to get
their money back system. Why should the small percentage of ICG
members that still believe in getting the CQ foot the bill for ICG
wide activities?

If the budget committee asks for input when putting together the
budget, then gets none, it was left to its own devices. The CQ
portion of the budget was seriously off because of the increase to
printing and mailing - that was just a result of lack of CQs and a
lack of dirt-cheap printers in New Jersey. Could only use data from
what was spent in the past by previous CQ editors.

The issue count used in the budget was based on subscriptions and for
the one issue all ICG members. The issue count increase for the 2000
issues was not communicated, therefore unforeseen and unbudgeted. In
May, there were less than 100 subscribers who would receive 1st and
2nd quarter 2000. I supplied Carl with the list of all ICG members,
along with the CQ subscriber infomation for the all member issue
which I thought was the next to go out based on what I heard at the
Annual Meeting.

500 copies was the initial print run of 1st qtr 2000 and 400 copies
of 2nd qtr 2000. It was explained to me when I questioned the copy
count that since two issues of 2000 went out first, the 1999
subscriber expirees would receive both of them also. This was a
matter of CQ subscriber satisfaction. The budget process did not
need to be followed because the two 2000 issues together would still
be below the line item budget for the CQ printing so it did not need
BOD approval. As we all know, the 1999 issue broke the bank and the
money was spent before the BOD approved the expense to exceed the
budget by more than 15% for that line item.

Moving on (the 1999 issue is over and done with), how is the budget
process going to be followed from now on? Just collect more money
then needed because we know someone's going to spend it?

I am firmly opposed to collecting more money then needed until a plan
is put forward to use it for the subscribers' benefit. There are a
ton of issues that need to be addressed regarding the CQ.

As a reminder, here are the issues I recall:

1) Print the CQ somewhere else. Editor need not be the printer/mailer
2) Distribution change. Are there too few subscribers now for bulk
mail? What is the cost for other methods?
3) Format change - cheaper formats, less pages
4) Content change - How-tos, reviews, events, chapter news ... what's
supposed to be in it?

The immediate issue was to cover the current printing and mailing
costs. That would be covered with the $15 per year subscription rate
because printing costs will increase due to a lower copy count.

I think the second issue should be how to satisfy the current CQ
subscribers, and increase ICG-wide interest in the Costumer Quarterly.
Satisfaction has drastically dropped - reasons remain unclear since
it's being delivered, at least to the US if a current address was
available. That's been the overwhelming complaint, but now that the
problem is being attacked, new subscribers are not stepping forward.

Local chapters that did not support the CQ, now have asked members
that want it to send the money to the ICG Treasurer directly since
they want no involvement. Further choking the CQ because that
attitude equates to the CQ is no good so don't bother sending news or
articles.

Sharon Trembley
ICG Treasurer



--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote in
part:
> Yesterday, Carl left me a voice mail message asking that we amend
motion #1 to increase the CQ subscription price for U.S. members to
$18.00. This would assure that the sub will cover the cost of
printing and mailing for some time. I ask for a motion and a second
to that effect.
>
> Byron
>
>
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 178 From: McClure, Kate Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Hello!
Hope my comments/questions make sense. I've not quite woken up yet this
morning.

> I meant the ICG as a whole getting the official Board of Directors to
> vote on the two motions that have been seconded - ICG = $4 and CQ =
> $15 - in an organized fashion.
>
I'd like to bring at least the raising of the ICG dues to the attention of
our membership at our BRCG meeting on the 21st. Would that be alright?

> Basically, is this to be voted on at the ICG Annual Meeting in May at
> CC19 or sooner? If sooner, when? If either motion is defeated, then
> the discussion begins on whether these ideas were good or stunk, and
> then what do we do next.
>
Very important questions! Before our meeting, I'll be sending out a reminder
that yes, we *are* having a meeting, and if I can put a 'heads up, important
stuff' notice, so much the better!

Oh, and Re: BRCG Elections

> [Congratulations] Condolences all around to BRCG's [suckers] loyal
> officers.
>
> Byron
>
'Twas a hard-fought race, as we had to shanghai our treasurer when she
wasn't looking. (Is volunteering someone before they've had coffee in the
morning considered fair? ;)

Kate McClure
Known as StitchWitch - AAGHH
Beyond Reality Costumer's Guild

Death in itself is nothing; but we fear
To be we know not what, we know not where.
- John Dryden, 'Aurengzebe', 1676
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 179 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
What excess? All I know is that, yesterday, Carl trold me the cost
was $18.00, not $13.00. I will rely onhim to vertify this to ICG
-BOD.

Byron


>>> callisto@netlabs.net 11/09/00 12:27PM >>>
Wait a minute, ...

<Pssst, that's a flaring up alert>

If it's been determined the cost to print and mail the CQ is almost
$13, and originally $15 was thought to be a good, round figure with a
little room for budget overrun, why not leave it that way?

Is there already a plan to upgrade the CQ to spend the excess? If
so, what is the planned solution to increase subscriber satisfaction?

There is a serious problem with budgeting. The Budget and Finance
Committee had recommended adopting a budget and sticking to it.
Having more money in the kitty is not the answer to fixing that
problem. It's still being run as a first to spend, first to get
their money back system. Why should the small percentage of ICG
members that still believe in getting the CQ foot the bill for ICG
wide activities?

If the budget committee asks for input when putting together the
budget, then gets none, it was left to its own devices. The CQ
portion of the budget was seriously off because of the increase to
printing and mailing - that was just a result of lack of CQs and a
lack of dirt-cheap printers in New Jersey. Could only use data from
what was spent in the past by previous CQ editors.

The issue count used in the budget was based on subscriptions and for
the one issue all ICG members. The issue count increase for the 2000
issues was not communicated, therefore unforeseen and unbudgeted. In
May, there were less than 100 subscribers who would receive 1st and
2nd quarter 2000. I supplied Carl with the list of all ICG members,
along with the CQ subscriber infomation for the all member issue
which I thought was the next to go out based on what I heard at the
Annual Meeting.

500 copies was the initial print run of 1st qtr 2000 and 400 copies
of 2nd qtr 2000. It was explained to me when I questioned the copy
count that since two issues of 2000 went out first, the 1999
subscriber expirees would receive both of them also. This was a
matter of CQ subscriber satisfaction. The budget process did not
need to be followed because the two 2000 issues together would still
be below the line item budget for the CQ printing so it did not need
BOD approval. As we all know, the 1999 issue broke the bank and the
money was spent before the BOD approved the expense to exceed the
budget by more than 15% for that line item.

Moving on (the 1999 issue is over and done with), how is the budget
process going to be followed from now on? Just collect more money
then needed because we know someone's going to spend it?

I am firmly opposed to collecting more money then needed until a plan
is put forward to use it for the subscribers' benefit. There are a
ton of issues that need to be addressed regarding the CQ.

As a reminder, here are the issues I recall:

1) Print the CQ somewhere else. Editor need not be the printer/mailer
2) Distribution change. Are there too few subscribers now for bulk
mail? What is the cost for other methods?
3) Format change - cheaper formats, less pages
4) Content change - How-tos, reviews, events, chapter news ... what's
supposed to be in it?

The immediate issue was to cover the current printing and mailing
costs. That would be covered with the $15 per year subscription rate
because printing costs will increase due to a lower copy count.

I think the second issue should be how to satisfy the current CQ
subscribers, and increase ICG-wide interest in the Costumer Quarterly.
Satisfaction has drastically dropped - reasons remain unclear since
it's being delivered, at least to the US if a current address was
available. That's been the overwhelming complaint, but now that the
problem is being attacked, new subscribers are not stepping forward.

Local chapters that did not support the CQ, now have asked members
that want it to send the money to the ICG Treasurer directly since
they want no involvement. Further choking the CQ because that
attitude equates to the CQ is no good so don't bother sending news or articles.

Sharon Trembley
ICG Treasurer



--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote in
part:
> Yesterday, Carl left me a voice mail message asking that we amend
motion #1 to increase the CQ subscription price for U.S. members to
$18.00. This would assure that the sub will cover the cost of
printing and mailing for some time. I ask for a motion and a second
to that effect.
>
> Byron
>
>




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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 180 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Kate --

Yes. We will wait till after the BRCG meeting on 11/21.

Byron


>>> kmcclur@denims01.mrg.uswest.com 11/09/00 12:40PM >>>
Hello!
Hope my comments/questions make sense. I've not quite woken up yet this
morning.

> I meant the ICG as a whole getting the official Board of Directors to
> vote on the two motions that have been seconded - ICG = $4 and CQ =
> $15 - in an organized fashion.
>
I'd like to bring at least the raising of the ICG dues to the attention of
our membership at our BRCG meeting on the 21st. Would that be alright?

> Basically, is this to be voted on at the ICG Annual Meeting in May at
> CC19 or sooner? If sooner, when? If either motion is defeated, then
> the discussion begins on whether these ideas were good or stunk, and
> then what do we do next.
>
Very important questions! Before our meeting, I'll be sending out a reminder
that yes, we *are* having a meeting, and if I can put a 'heads up, important
stuff' notice, so much the better!

Oh, and Re: BRCG Elections

> [Congratulations] Condolences all around to BRCG's [suckers] loyal
> officers.
>
> Byron
>
'Twas a hard-fought race, as we had to shanghai our treasurer when she
wasn't looking. (Is volunteering someone before they've had coffee in the
morning considered fair? ;)

Kate McClure
Known as StitchWitch - AAGHH
Beyond Reality Costumer's Guild

Death in itself is nothing; but we fear
To be we know not what, we know not where.
- John Dryden, 'Aurengzebe', 1676



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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 181 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Byron,

I have the numbers from what Carl has spent on 1st and 2nd
quarter 2000 from the stuff I reported to the BOD already. I earlier
reported the subscription rate would need to be around $13 to cover
printing and mailing. Someone came back and suggested $15, and we
ran with it.

For printing, the 500 issues 1qtr, 2000 was $1345 and the 400 issues
of 2qtr, 2000 was $990.25. That's $2.60 per copy for an issue at its
normal size, using Sir Speedy as the printer.

Reimbursed mailing was $107.76 plus $200 in advertising paid directly
to Carl. Totals $307.76. Among 900 copies is $0.35 each to mail.
The method of mailing the next issue has been questioned since 100
may be too little for bulk. Also, advertising is not a reliable
source of income.

Carl was also reimbursed for $145.00 in printer cartridges. For the
900 issues generated that would be $0.16. As less copies are printed
from the master, I would expect the per copy cost to increase.

Altogether, that's $3.11 an issue times 4 = $12.44.

The 1999 combo issue going out to all members is not in that
calculation because the quarterly saved money with the larger, one
issue format. Also, an annual issue would be exception, not the norm.

Sharon

--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote:
> What excess? All I know is that, yesterday, Carl trold me the cost
> was $18.00, not $13.00. I will rely onhim to vertify this to ICG
> -BOD.
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> callisto@n... 11/09/00 12:27PM >>>
> Wait a minute, ...
>
> <Pssst, that's a flaring up alert>
>
> If it's been determined the cost to print and mail the CQ is almost
> $13, and originally $15 was thought to be a good, round figure with
a
> little room for budget overrun, why not leave it that way?
>
> Is there already a plan to upgrade the CQ to spend the excess? If
> so, what is the planned solution to increase subscriber
satisfaction?
>
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 182 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board (november meetings)
SWCG meets on November 26. This is a meeting-in-the-park, so we might not
have a quorum.

Randall
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 183 From: beckystember Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
As Corresponding Secretary, I feel that this comes under my purview. I'll
give it a whack - when do you want it?

Jess
----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Connell" <bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] ICG Mission Statement


> OK. Who wants to take a whack at statements of the mission of
> the ICG, our vision for the Corporation, and our overall goals?
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> icg@costume.org 11/06/00 10:17PM >>>
> Then may I suggest to the board that in addition to the Financial and CQ
> issues, that a Mission Statement, Core Goals or whichever buzz word
> applies, needs to be developed.
>
> It seems to this observer that the many questions from the Local
> Chapters and individual members: "What does the ICG do?, "What does
> being a member get me?", "...my chapter?", but they are all the same
> basic question.
>
> "What is the ICG?"
>
> As part and parcel of asking for higher dues, higher subscription prices
> for CQ, adding the Annual as subscription item, banging away for
> material for the publications, the ICG needs to be able to justify why
> it's asking for the $$ or the submissions.
>
> Currently there is a slate of officers, staff and BOD with the drive and
> passion to make anything work, but what I think we are missing to get
> the ICG working is a vision to be a goal to work to.
>
> All I ask for is a vision, not the details, just the lofty goal.
>
> Thanks and sorry for taking up so much of your time.
>
> JohnO
>
> Byron Connell wrote:
> >
> > Not to my knowledge.
> >
> > Byron
> >
> > >>> icg@costume.org 11/02/00 10:47PM >>>
> > I've just checked the Standing Rules, Bylaws and 3c501 documents.
> >
> > I don't have a copy of the Maryland incorporation and the statement on
> > the home page is taken from Whole Costumers Catalogue (with permission
> > of Karen Dick (publisher) and Cat Devereaux (author of the ICG
> > section)).
> >
> > Does the ICG have a "official" mission statement?
> >
> > JohnO
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 184 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Um, that's fine with me. It's the centerpiece of my agenda, anyway. Are we
still nominating alternates for the BOD list?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Connell" <bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:05 AM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Re: Vrs. motions before the board


> In an 11/8, 9:13 p.m., message, Ken confirmed the texts of these motions.
>
> Bruce Mai has asked to withdraw motion #3. It has no second, anyway, so
it is not on the floor. Under those circumstances, I am accepting his
request. Motion #3 has been withdrawn.
>
> Yesterday, Carl left me a voice mail message asking that we amend motion
#1 to increase the CQ subscription price for U.S. members to $18.00. This
would assure that the sub will cover the cost of printing and mailing for
some time. I ask for a motion and a second to that effect.
>
> Bruce Mai said that the SLUTS will meet on the 18th. Bruce, if you want
to discuss the motions with your chapter at that time, we will hold the vote
till after your meeting. What is your preference?
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> callisto@netlabs.net 11/08/00 05:24PM >>>
> Me? This Sharon? Can Ken as the motioner for both confirm?
>
>
> Motion #1:
> Raise the United States subscription rate of the Costumer Quarterly
> from $8.00 US per annum to $15.00 US per annum, effective January 6,
> 2001.
>
> Motioned by Ken Warren, ICG VP
> Seconded by Dora Buck, ICG Rec. Secretary
>
> Motion #2:
> Raise the ICG basic membership rate from $1.00 US per annum to $4.00
> US per annum, effective January 6, 2001.
>
> Motioned by Ken Warren, ICG VP
> Seconded by Dora Buck, ICG Rec. Secretary
>
> Motion #3:
> Increase the ICG annual dues by $10.00 US per annum, and include the
> ICG Annual as a benefit of membership.
>
> Motioned by Bruce Mai, St. Louis
> NO Second
>
>
> --- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote in
> part:
> > Standing Rules 3 and 23, respectively, set the amount of ICG dues
> and the CQ annual subscription price for U.S. members. We do not
> need to wait for the Annual Meeting to change them; the Board has the
> power to amend the Standing Rules by an affirmative vote of at least
> three-fifths (60 percent) of the members. The Board has 21 voting
> members; therefore, each motion needs 13 "yes" votes for adoption.
> >
> > We need definitive statements of each motion to use on the ballot.
> Sharon, you've been tracking the discussion carefully. Can you frame
> them for us?
> >
> > If there are no objections, that's how we'll handle it.
> >
> > Byron
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 185 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
At 10:41 PM 11/8/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Any chance I can just withdraw my motion at this point? Nobody's buch liked
>it, anyway.....
>
To all,

Speaking as Parliamentarian, no, you may not. Once a resolution has been
moved and seconded, it may not be withdrawn. It now belongs to the meeting.

Pierre
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 186 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Can we say, "cross-posted"??? <g>

P.

>At 10:41 PM 11/8/00 -0600, you wrote:
> >Any chance I can just withdraw my motion at this point? Nobody's buch liked
> >it, anyway.....
> >
>To all,
>
>Speaking as Parliamentarian, no, you may not. Once a resolution has been
>moved and seconded, it may not be withdrawn. It now belongs to the meeting.
>
>Pierre
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 187 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Pierre --

Apparently, this motion never received a second.

Byron


>>> costumrs@radiks.net 11/09/00 05:39PM >>>
At 10:41 PM 11/8/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Any chance I can just withdraw my motion at this point? Nobody's buch liked
>it, anyway.....
>
To all,

Speaking as Parliamentarian, no, you may not. Once a resolution has been
moved and seconded, it may not be withdrawn. It now belongs to the meeting.

Pierre



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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 188 From: sandyswank@aol.com Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
In a message dated 11/9/00 12:01:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
casamai@primary.net writes:

<< > Are any chapters meeting later in November?
>>

Greater Delaware Valley Costumers Society aka Lunatic Phrynge meets Nov 18th
at Philcon.
As the issues on the table are still under consideration of the local
membership I will do my best to have a vote in on this matter ASAP.

Sandy Swank
Pres GDVSC aka Lunatic Phrynge Philadelphia PA
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 189 From: callisto@netlabs.net Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board (november meetings)
Southwest appears to be the chapter meeting latest this month. Would
a deadline of Dec. 1st to return votes to Byron on these two motions
be unreasonable?

If either passes, that would give a month for chapters to notify
their members so they can get their memberships and subscriptions
renewed for 2000. The annual chapter treasurer's report is due to
the ICG Treasurer on Jan. 6th, and the added incentive of increases
may inspire compliance.

If either fails to pass, please try to get direction during the
chapter meetings from the members because there would be a flurry of
discussion and undoubtedly a motion of some kind made, unless the
concensus becomes nothing needs to be done.

Sharon Trembley



--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, randwhit@a... wrote:
> SWCG meets on November 26. This is a meeting-in-the-park, so we
might not
> have a quorum.
>
> Randall
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 190 From: Timothy Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board (november meetings)
Millennium may have a meeting on December 2. We generally meet on the first saturday, every other month or so. We just had our Halloween Party on Nov 4, but no business was discussed, and these issues were still up in the air.

I have contacted the other officers to call a meeting for December 2 to discuss these issues. At this time I have not confirmed the meeting. If it is held, I could have our comments posted here by Dec 3.

Michael

>Southwest appears to be the chapter meeting latest this month. Would
>a deadline of Dec. 1st to return votes to Byron on these two motions
>be unreasonable?
>
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 191 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: ICG Mission Statement
Jess --

Thanks.

Can you have something to post by early next month? If you can,
we could focus on it next, once we've disposed of the two
motions on the floor.

Byron


>>> msjess@earthlink.net 11/09/00 09:33PM >>>
As Corresponding Secretary, I feel that this comes under my purview. I'll
give it a whack - when do you want it?

Jess
----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Connell" <bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] ICG Mission Statement


> OK. Who wants to take a whack at statements of the mission of
> the ICG, our vision for the Corporation, and our overall goals?
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> icg@costume.org 11/06/00 10:17PM >>>
> Then may I suggest to the board that in addition to the Financial and CQ
> issues, that a Mission Statement, Core Goals or whichever buzz word
> applies, needs to be developed.
>
> It seems to this observer that the many questions from the Local
> Chapters and individual members: "What does the ICG do?, "What does
> being a member get me?", "...my chapter?", but they are all the same
> basic question.
>
> "What is the ICG?"
>
> As part and parcel of asking for higher dues, higher subscription prices
> for CQ, adding the Annual as subscription item, banging away for
> material for the publications, the ICG needs to be able to justify why
> it's asking for the $$ or the submissions.
>
> Currently there is a slate of officers, staff and BOD with the drive and
> passion to make anything work, but what I think we are missing to get
> the ICG working is a vision to be a goal to work to.
>
> All I ask for is a vision, not the details, just the lofty goal.
>
> Thanks and sorry for taking up so much of your time.
>
> JohnO
>
> Byron Connell wrote:
> >
> > Not to my knowledge.
> >
> > Byron
> >
> > >>> icg@costume.org 11/02/00 10:47PM >>>
> > I've just checked the Standing Rules, Bylaws and 3c501 documents.
> >
> > I don't have a copy of the Maryland incorporation and the statement on
> > the home page is taken from Whole Costumers Catalogue (with permission
> > of Karen Dick (publisher) and Cat Devereaux (author of the ICG
> > section)).
> >
> > Does the ICG have a "official" mission statement?
> >
> > JohnO
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 192 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Bruce --

Sure. Whom did you have in mind?

Byron


>>> casamai@primary.net 11/09/00 10:25PM >>>
Are we
still nominating alternates for the BOD list?
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 193 From: Cathy Holroyd Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
CGUK as due to have a committee meeting tomorrow (November 11th), I should
be able to get back to the list for a vote after this.

Cathy Holroyd

callisto@netlabs.net wrote:

> When and how is the vote on the motions to be held?
> Are any chapters meeting later in November?
>
> Can we set a cut-off for discussion and an official vote process
> incl. paper to the chapters not represented on this list?
>
> Sharon
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 194 From: John O'Halloran Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Announcement wording
I'm working on the website update and I'm having
difficulty in phrasing the notice of the financial
crisis and the request for donations.

Can anybody give me a short blurb or pair of blurbs for the
"Announcemnts" section of the web site.

Thanks
JohnO
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 195 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Nominee for alternate
Well, I'd assume our chapter should be informed first, but Jeff Morris is
the obvious choice, because he's a regular on the ICG-D list.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Connell" <bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Re: Vrs. motions before the board


> Bruce --
>
> Sure. Whom did you have in mind?
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> casamai@primary.net 11/09/00 10:25PM >>>
> Are we
> still nominating alternates for the BOD list?
>
>
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 196 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Silence intentional?
I attempted to access this for our meeting, but you neglected to mention
there's a password involved. What do I need to do here?


----- Original Message -----
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To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:23 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Silence intentional?


> Yo peeps -
>
> I took Byron's reposting of Janet's messages on this list to mean he
> wants us to discuss them. I added them to a revision of that outline
> I posted the other day based on the one I posted on ICG-D. The
> changes from the first are in purplish and the motions currently
> before the BOD are in red.
>
> I was hoping the deafening silence that greeted it was just you's
> guys way of saying you are overwhelmed by the structure that is being
> thrust before you.
>
> If you go to the egroups web site for this group, log on and you'll
> see it -
>
> http://www.egroups.com/files/ICG-BOD/Change+Discussion/
>
> If you don't like, I can change it. If you hate it, I don't need to
> take time to revise it when interesting new stuff comes up, but I do
> think we need a document to track options and suggestions. I can
> leave older copies on the site if there's a need to track it
> historically.
>
> Sharon
>
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 197 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
Sorry Byron. I didn't check past messages and thought I recalled a mover
and seconder listed. Of course, if there is no second, the mover may
withdraw the motion at any time, and indeed it may not be considered until
such a second is received.

Pierre

At 09:07 AM 11/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Pierre --
>
>Apparently, this motion never received a second.
>
>Byron
>
>
> >>> costumrs@radiks.net 11/09/00 05:39PM >>>
>At 10:41 PM 11/8/00 -0600, you wrote:
> >Any chance I can just withdraw my motion at this point? Nobody's buch liked
> >it, anyway.....
> >
>To all,
>
>Speaking as Parliamentarian, no, you may not. Once a resolution has been
>moved and seconded, it may not be withdrawn. It now belongs to the meeting.
>
>Pierre
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 198 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Treasurer' s report
Sharon:

Where does the Guild stand, financially, at this point? How far are it
still in the hole, and what does it need for a temporary cushion?

Bruce
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 199 From: cdmami Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Re: Vrs. motions before the board
REPLY
did some checking with printer and the post office using the second quarter
as a test weight the cost of FIRST CLASS Mail was 1.21 each the printing for
the same size was 2.50 plus Tax each. per 100 issues less if the amount
increased and as high as 3.10 for a smaller size or run
$18.00 dollars would allow for first class mail and the printing there are
other ways to cut cost if needed smaller runs can be printed in house if
subs were to drop. This price would allow the moneys from adds to be a back
up fund and cover expenses as toner and other small items this would
streamline the CQ for shipping as it would be shipped from a local PO and
require only (if desired a postal meter) stamps.
As the editor this would improve the down time for the mailing and stop the
guessing of if it is going through.
Asking the chapters to pay for there copy if they need it hard copied
(e-mail could be free) and several other cost cutting items are being
studied would suggest at this time after careful study that is the sub is
separate from the dues that the check with sub information be first mailed
to the editor and filed in my data base and the check be forwarded to the
ICG treasurer for deposit and that the subs be the responsibility of the
individual and the editor then can send notices as needed to the people to
remind them when payment is needed and not trouble any others.
The CQ can not be a democracy it must in fact be run as a dictatorship with
one hand steering and the other working.
I would also subject that the editor be giving limited voting rights to
cover any thing directly concerning the CQ as he has to deal with it.
I am working on a revised mission statement for the CQ and will have it
ready by Thanksgiving I hope in time for the vote.
one last remark with the cash on hand and the savings I have from adds with
$150 3rd Quarter be shipped ASAP FIRST Class mail base on a run of 100
copies please advise
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 200 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: CQ
We received ours yesterday. We have indications other members did, also.

Bruce