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Group: ICG-D Message: 51015 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Group: ICG-D Message: 51016 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Re: motion to increase 2019 budget line item
Group: ICG-D Message: 51017 From: Jeanine Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Re: motion to increase 2019 budget line item
Group: ICG-D Message: 51018 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Motion 11-26-2019-1
Group: ICG-D Message: 51019 From: Dave Kanoy Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Group: ICG-D Message: 51020 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Motion 11-26-2019-1
Group: ICG-D Message: 51021 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Group: ICG-D Message: 51022 From: Jill Eastlake Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Group: ICG-D Message: 51023 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Group: ICG-D Message: 51024 From: Jill Eastlake Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Group: ICG-D Message: 51025 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/29/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Group: ICG-D Message: 51026 From: Karen Purcell Date: 11/29/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Group: ICG-D Message: 51027 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: 2019 Survey of the Members - LAST DAY
Group: ICG-D Message: 51028 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: CC 38 Business - Nominations
Group: ICG-D Message: 51029 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: CC 38 Business - Nominations
Group: ICG-D Message: 51030 From: Jeanine Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Fwd: financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 could have
Group: ICG-D Message: 51031 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 c
Group: ICG-D Message: 51032 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 c
Group: ICG-D Message: 51033 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 c
Group: ICG-D Message: 51034 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Communications management
Group: ICG-D Message: 51035 From: Jeanine Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Group: ICG-D Message: 51036 From: ECM Mami Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Group: ICG-D Message: 51037 From: Jeanine Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Group: ICG-D Message: 51038 From: Mera Shade Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: ICG 2019 Survey of the Members - Data is in Slack
Group: ICG-D Message: 51039 From: ECM Mami Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Group: ICG-D Message: 51040 From: Jeanine Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Group: ICG-D Message: 51041 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: ICG 2019 Survey of the Members - Data is in Slack
Group: ICG-D Message: 51042 From: Judy Mitchell Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Group: ICG-D Message: 51043 From: M.Bruno Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Group: ICG-D Message: 51044 From: ECM Mami Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Group: ICG-D Message: 51045 From: Kelli Lynch Date: 12/4/2019
Subject: Re: ICG 2019 Survey of the Members - Data is in Slack
Group: ICG-D Message: 51046 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/4/2019
Subject: Re: ICG 2019 Survey of the Members - Data is in Slack
Group: ICG-D Message: 51047 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/7/2019
Subject: Polls and elections
Group: ICG-D Message: 51048 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/10/2019
Subject: Guidelines Committee Announcement
Group: ICG-D Message: 51049 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/10/2019
Subject: Google Groups info in Slack
Group: ICG-D Message: 51050 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/10/2019
Subject: Re: Google Groups info in Slack



Group: ICG-D Message: 51015 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Begin forwarded message:

From: Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com>
Date: November 26, 2019 at 10:16:34 AM EST
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:  [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines


Hi Merrily,

There were several questions there regarding sections to consider in the guidelines, including whether they might be better broken up, and an additional section for comments on the guidelines in general, as well as asking whether a permanent committee should be created to address updates as needed for the guidelines.  Please feel free to make any suggestions regarding the guidelines questions that you presented in that guidelines comments section also so they are included in the data on the survey.  If the comment is longer than the section allows for, there is an additional comments section at the end of the survey where you can put additional comments. These are all things we want to make sure are considered and get the members’ opinions on.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 26, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Masquerade Fairness Guidelines

Looking at the survey, there is a good size section dedicated to the masquerade fairness guidelines. During my time reviewing the presented document, the redline, and short time on the committee, these items on the survey did not seem to be an issue. It seemed everyone wanted some version of anti-harassment, fairness, and accessibility guidelines to be included. There was a concern to make sure the wording for each of those was internationally acceptable and not USA focused. The part we seemed to get hung up on was judging categories. The committee was trying to decide if:

1) there should be just general judging section to fit all types of costumes

2) a general judging information in the guidelines with appendages for each type of costume (larger, new materials, sewing, genre, etc.) or

3) there should be a section in the main guidelines for everything which would need to be updated each time there is a new material available to customers.  

These were not addressed in the survey. Does anyone have any comments on how this should be handled in the guidelines?  

Merrily

GCFCG alt rep


Group: ICG-D Message: 51016 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Re: motion to increase 2019 budget line item
The section of the budget for the expenditure is general business expenditures.  Moving the expenditure to a new line item is not outside of the purview according to the standing rules and bylaws.  The expenditure is less than 15% of the general business budget.  Please make the payment accordingly.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:18 AM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

You are wanting funds for something that has no budget line item in the 2019 budget. It states 15% of a budgeted amount and this line item does not have a line item in the budget for 2019, 15% of $0 is $0. So this needs to go before the board for approval.

On 11/26/2019 10:48 AM, Mera Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:
 
Thank you Jeanine and Judy.  However, I do not believe that this motion is necessary.  

To clarify, I have made a request to Jeanine under Standing Rule 30B, to make a payment to Maryland NonProfits in the amount of $100 to join their organization and gain access to their legal and consulting services, which seems a prudent expenditure with all of the legal policies proposed and to aid in the current issues and motions presented on the floor.

Standing Rule 30B states:  The treasurer shall report the Corporation's revenues and expenditures to the Board at least quarterly.  The Board may increase or decrease budgeted expenditures as needed during the course of each year.  To meet arising needs, the President may, without the Board's approval, increase or decrease budgeted expenditures each year by an amount not to exceed fifteen (15) percent of the budgeted amount and shall promptly report such changes to the Board.

I proposed this expenditure and gave a 7 day objection period, which is not required, but I did so in consideration to see if anyone opposed it in the previous email thread entitled "Maryland NonProfits".  No objections were made to this expenditure.  It is less than 15% of the budgeted amount for general business expenditures and can be included in the line item of "legal and consulting services."  It should not require motion, as it is within the President's purview to add to expenditures in this manner as necessary without Board approval.  

Here are the benefits that we can gain from joining:
- Access to legal counsel to assist with current matters before the board and policy suggestions
- Access to nonprofit consultants who can assist with advice and insight that might minimize or remove the need for some of the more controversial motions on the floor
- Resources and networks that can help ICG and its chapters.

Here's the link to their benefits:  https://www.marylandnonprofits.org/what-we-offer/

I again ask that the Treasurer make payment in the amount of $100 to Maryland NonProfits immediately.  Accessing their services in a timely manner is essential for many matters on the floor, including addressing the nature of many of these motions that may prove unnecessary by having their guidance and assistance.  

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux, Acting President



On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 9:04 AM judymitch@oldwaylane.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Seconded.
-Judy Mitchell
Northern Lights


Group: ICG-D Message: 51017 From: Jeanine Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Re: motion to increase 2019 budget line item
You are wanting funds for something that has no budget line item in the 2019 budget. It states 15% of a budgeted amount and this line item does not have a line item in the budget for 2019, 15% of $0 is $0. So this needs to go before the board for approval.

On 11/26/2019 11:44 AM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

The section of the budget for the expenditure is general business expenditures.  Moving the expenditure to a new line item is not outside of the purview according to the standing rules and bylaws.  The expenditure is less than 15% of the general business budget.  Please make the payment accordingly.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:18 AM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

You are wanting funds for something that has no budget line item in the 2019 budget. It states 15% of a budgeted amount and this line item does not have a line item in the budget for 2019, 15% of $0 is $0. So this needs to go before the board for approval.

On 11/26/2019 10:48 AM, Mera Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:
 
Thank you Jeanine and Judy.  However, I do not believe that this motion is necessary.  

To clarify, I have made a request to Jeanine under Standing Rule 30B, to make a payment to Maryland NonProfits in the amount of $100 to join their organization and gain access to their legal and consulting services, which seems a prudent expenditure with all of the legal policies proposed and to aid in the current issues and motions presented on the floor.

Standing Rule 30B states:  The treasurer shall report the Corporation's revenues and expenditures to the Board at least quarterly.  The Board may increase or decrease budgeted expenditures as needed during the course of each year.  To meet arising needs, the President may, without the Board's approval, increase or decrease budgeted expenditures each year by an amount not to exceed fifteen (15) percent of the budgeted amount and shall promptly report such changes to the Board.

I proposed this expenditure and gave a 7 day objection period, which is not required, but I did so in consideration to see if anyone opposed it in the previous email thread entitled "Maryland NonProfits".  No objections were made to this expenditure.  It is less than 15% of the budgeted amount for general business expenditures and can be included in the line item of "legal and consulting services."  It should not require motion, as it is within the President's purview to add to expenditures in this manner as necessary without Board approval.  

Here are the benefits that we can gain from joining:
- Access to legal counsel to assist with current matters before the board and policy suggestions
- Access to nonprofit consultants who can assist with advice and insight that might minimize or remove the need for some of the more controversial motions on the floor
- Resources and networks that can help ICG and its chapters.

Here's the link to their benefits:  https://www.marylandnonprofits.org/what-we-offer/

I again ask that the Treasurer make payment in the amount of $100 to Maryland NonProfits immediately.  Accessing their services in a timely manner is essential for many matters on the floor, including addressing the nature of many of these motions that may prove unnecessary by having their guidance and assistance.  

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux, Acting President



On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 9:04 AM judymitch@oldwaylane.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Seconded.
-Judy Mitchell
Northern Lights



Group: ICG-D Message: 51018 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Motion 11-26-2019-1
New motion on the floor.

Motion 11-26-2019-1: motion that the BoD amend the approved 2019 budget (Dec 31, 2018) to add $100 to the new line item Legal and Business fees to pay for a membership in the MD Non-Profits organization.

Discussion period ends 12-11-2019, voting period ends 12-27-2019 (adjusting for the holiday).

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-D Message: 51019 From: Dave Kanoy Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
So, when you post stuff from the BOD list on the D list, you're going to get opinions.  Here's mine.

1) No.
2) Heck no.
3) No, no, a million times no!

Let's start with the easiest one.
3) this is a battle you can never win.  There are new materials coming onto the market constantly.  We'd never complete an update before new materials would need to be added.  The other side of that would be a document that is always out of date.  Do we want to be an organization that puts forward a document we know is not up to snuff and recommend others use it?

2) You're going to run into the same problem here.  In addition to new materials, you also have each new genre.

1) Why do we need to address judging?  As I recall, the guidelines are for keeping folks who are new to the hobby from having to compete against pros, or folks who have been doing it forever.  What does judging have to do with that?  If you want a document that addresses judging, that's another question.  If you do, it shouldn't be part of the fairness guidelines.

Sometimes less is more.  I think this is one of those times.

Later,

Dave Kanoy


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 8:40 AM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D]
<ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:00:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com
To: yahoogroups <icg-bod@yahoogroups.com>


 

Masquerade Fairness Guidelines

Looking at the survey, there is a good size section dedicated to the masquerade fairness guidelines. During my time reviewing the presented document, the redline, and short time on the committee, these items on the survey did not seem to be an issue. It seemed everyone wanted some version of anti-harassment, fairness, and accessibility guidelines to be included. There was a concern to make sure the wording for each of those was internationally acceptable and not USA focused. The part we seemed to get hung up on was judging categories. The committee was trying to decide if:

1) there should be just general judging section to fit all types of costumes

2) a general judging information in the guidelines with appendages for each type of costume (larger, new materials, sewing, genre, etc.) or

3) there should be a section in the main guidelines for everything which would need to be updated each time there is a new material available to customers.  

These were not addressed in the survey. Does anyone have any comments on how this should be handled in the guidelines?  

Merrily

GCFCG alt rep


Group: ICG-D Message: 51020 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Motion 11-26-2019-1
Seconded!

From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 3:59 PM
To: ICG-Treasurer <icg-treasurer@costume.org>; Pierre Pettinger <costumrs@radiks.net>; ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>; ICG-D list <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-D] Motion 11-26-2019-1
 
New motion on the floor.

Motion 11-26-2019-1: motion that the BoD amend the approved 2019 budget (Dec 31, 2018)  to add $100 to the new line item Legal and Business fees to pay for a membership in the MD Non-Profits organization.

Discussion period ends 12-11-2019, voting period ends 12-27-2019 (adjusting for the holiday).

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

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Group: ICG-D Message: 51021 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Thank you, Dave!


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Dave Kanoy davekanoy@sbcglobal.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 10:43 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
 


So, when you post stuff from the BOD list on the D list, you're going to get opinions.  Here's mine.

1) No.
2) Heck no.
3) No, no, a million times no!

Let's start with the easiest one.
3) this is a battle you can never win.  There are new materials coming onto the market constantly.  We'd never complete an update before new materials would need to be added.  The other side of that would be a document that is always out of date.  Do we want to be an organization that puts forward a document we know is not up to snuff and recommend others use it?

2) You're going to run into the same problem here.  In addition to new materials, you also have each new genre.

1) Why do we need to address judging?  As I recall, the guidelines are for keeping folks who are new to the hobby from having to compete against pros, or folks who have been doing it forever.  What does judging have to do with that?  If you want a document that addresses judging, that's another question.  If you do, it shouldn't be part of the fairness guidelines.

Sometimes less is more.  I think this is one of those times.

Later,

Dave Kanoy


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 8:40 AM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D]
<ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:00:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com
To: yahoogroups <icg-bod@yahoogroups.com>


 

Masquerade Fairness Guidelines

Looking at the survey, there is a good size section dedicated to the masquerade fairness guidelines. During my time reviewing the presented document, the redline, and short time on the committee, these items on the survey did not seem to be an issue. It seemed everyone wanted some version of anti-harassment, fairness, and accessibility guidelines to be included. There was a concern to make sure the wording for each of those was internationally acceptable and not USA focused. The part we seemed to get hung up on was judging categories. The committee was trying to decide if:

1) there should be just general judging section to fit all types of costumes

2) a general judging information in the guidelines with appendages for each type of costume (larger, new materials, sewing, genre, etc.) or

3) there should be a section in the main guidelines for everything which would need to be updated each time there is a new material available to customers.  

These were not addressed in the survey. Does anyone have any comments on how this should be handled in the guidelines?  

Merrily

GCFCG alt rep




Group: ICG-D Message: 51022 From: Jill Eastlake Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Ahem.

quote

items on the survey did not seem to be an issue. It seemed everyone wanted some version of anti-harassment, fairness, and accessibility guidelines to be included.

end quote

"Everyone" would be absolute.  I did not want such wording in the guidelines and said so plainly in my survey.  I don't know who else agrees with me.

Conventions are the place that guidelines are used by Masquerade Directors to suggest how their competition levels can be classified.  Masquerade Directors have the responsibility to run their shows within the framework of their conventions.  The conventions that are large enough to host a masquerade competition are (as far as I know) already publishing Codes of Conduct that are aimed at their membership based on their experience.  That is the responsibility of the convention committee.

It is not in the best interest of the ICG to establish rules (you're suggesting rules) which regulate the behaviors of persons that are not associated with the ICG.  It is not in the best interest of the ICG to join the huge community of people who are establishing what amount to investigative bodies which are passing judgements on behaviors that sometimes lead to people being banned from their conventions.  The ICG doesn't run conventions.  If we were to convict anyone of anything what effect would that have? Public flogging?  (Sorry, it's past my bedtime.)

The Guidelines were designed and published to protect new people from being directly judged against well-established and sometimes scary good costumers who have the experience and chops to compete at a high level.  And, even if someone looks at the rules established by the masquerade director and might be naturally classified in any class, they can discuss things with the masquerade director and their classification can be adjusted at the masquerade director's pleasure.

I would suggest strongly that any results from the survey be published in a comprehensive report when the the survey has been closed.  With numbers.  And not before.

Thank you.

Jill
Group: ICG-D Message: 51023 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Hi Jill,

First off, completely unofficially (as member Mera) the public flogging comment actually made me do a spit take in my living room.  Lol.

Ok, other hat back on - the survey results with all names removed and random ordered in raw csv format will be on a new channel in Slack #2019survey on December 2, 2019.  

Graphs from the data will also be published for those who prefer visual data for those questions that are conducive to graphs (obviously not comment fields).

Please continue to share the survey and if you haven’t taken it, please do and make your opinion known!


Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Jill Eastlake jill.eastlake@gmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Ahem.

quote

items on the survey did not seem to be an issue. It seemed everyone wanted some version of anti-harassment, fairness, and accessibility guidelines to be included.

end quote

"Everyone" would be absolute.  I did not want such wording in the guidelines and said so plainly in my survey.  I don't know who else agrees with me.

Conventions are the place that guidelines are used by Masquerade Directors to suggest how their competition levels can be classified.  Masquerade Directors have the responsibility to run their shows within the framework of their conventions.  The conventions that are large enough to host a masquerade competition are (as far as I know) already publishing Codes of Conduct that are aimed at their membership based on their experience.  That is the responsibility of the convention committee.

It is not in the best interest of the ICG to establish rules (you're suggesting rules) which regulate the behaviors of persons that are not associated with the ICG.  It is not in the best interest of the ICG to join the huge community of people who are establishing what amount to investigative bodies which are passing judgements on behaviors that sometimes lead to people being banned from their conventions.  The ICG doesn't run conventions.  If we were to convict anyone of anything what effect would that have? Public flogging?  (Sorry, it's past my bedtime.)

The Guidelines were designed and published to protect new people from being directly judged against well-established and sometimes scary good costumers who have the experience and chops to compete at a high level.  And, even if someone looks at the rules established by the masquerade director and might be naturally classified in any class, they can discuss things with the masquerade director and their classification can be adjusted at the masquerade director's pleasure.

I would suggest strongly that any results from the survey be published in a comprehensive report when the the survey has been closed.  With numbers.  And not before.

Thank you.

Jill

Group: ICG-D Message: 51024 From: Jill Eastlake Date: 11/26/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
quote

I did not want such wording in the guidelines and said so plainly in my survey

end quote

I'm going to bed.

Jill

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 11:35 PM Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Jill,


First off, completely unofficially (as member Mera) the public flogging comment actually made me do a spit take in my living room.  Lol.

Ok, other hat back on - the survey results with all names removed and random ordered in raw csv format will be on a new channel in Slack #2019survey on December 2, 2019.  

Graphs from the data will also be published for those who prefer visual data for those questions that are conducive to graphs (obviously not comment fields).

Please continue to share the survey and if you haven’t taken it, please do and make your opinion known!


Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Jill Eastlake jill.eastlake@gmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Ahem.

quote

items on the survey did not seem to be an issue. It seemed everyone wanted some version of anti-harassment, fairness, and accessibility guidelines to be included.

end quote

"Everyone" would be absolute.  I did not want such wording in the guidelines and said so plainly in my survey.  I don't know who else agrees with me.

Conventions are the place that guidelines are used by Masquerade Directors to suggest how their competition levels can be classified.  Masquerade Directors have the responsibility to run their shows within the framework of their conventions.  The conventions that are large enough to host a masquerade competition are (as far as I know) already publishing Codes of Conduct that are aimed at their membership based on their experience.  That is the responsibility of the convention committee.

It is not in the best interest of the ICG to establish rules (you're suggesting rules) which regulate the behaviors of persons that are not associated with the ICG.  It is not in the best interest of the ICG to join the huge community of people who are establishing what amount to investigative bodies which are passing judgements on behaviors that sometimes lead to people being banned from their conventions.  The ICG doesn't run conventions.  If we were to convict anyone of anything what effect would that have? Public flogging?  (Sorry, it's past my bedtime.)

The Guidelines were designed and published to protect new people from being directly judged against well-established and sometimes scary good costumers who have the experience and chops to compete at a high level.  And, even if someone looks at the rules established by the masquerade director and might be naturally classified in any class, they can discuss things with the masquerade director and their classification can be adjusted at the masquerade director's pleasure.

I would suggest strongly that any results from the survey be published in a comprehensive report when the the survey has been closed.  With numbers.  And not before.

Thank you.

Jill

Group: ICG-D Message: 51025 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/29/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
In my opinion, the fairness guidelines have only one audience: new or fairly new masquerade directors. They discuss judging to assist the MD to write the expectations for judges. That’s why the present guidelines include a fairly brief general section on “Fair Judging Guidelines” http://costume.org/wp/icg-guidelines-ensuring-fair-competition/ . They discuss matters that also are of interest to costumers to help the MD write the masquerade rules. I believe that neither judges nor entrants should bother reading the fairness guidelines. They need to concentrate on the rules the masquerade director (whose word is law) has given them.

Byron


On Nov 26, 2019, at 10:56 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thank you, Dave!


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Dave Kanoy davekanoy@sbcglobal.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 10:43 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Fwd: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
 


So, when you post stuff from the BOD list on the D list, you're going to get opinions.  Here's mine.

1) No.
2) Heck no.
3) No, no, a million times no!

Let's start with the easiest one.
3) this is a battle you can never win.  There are new materials coming onto the market constantly.  We'd never complete an update before new materials would need to be added.  The other side of that would be a document that is always out of date.  Do we want to be an organization that puts forward a document we know is not up to snuff and recommend others use it?

2) You're going to run into the same problem here.  In addition to new materials, you also have each new genre.

1) Why do we need to address judging?  As I recall, the guidelines are for keeping folks who are new to the hobby from having to compete against pros, or folks who have been doing it forever.  What does judging have to do with that?  If you want a document that addresses judging, that's another question.  If you do, it shouldn't be part of the fairness guidelines.

Sometimes less is more.  I think this is one of those times.

Later,

Dave Kanoy


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 8:40 AM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D]
 

-------- Forwarded Message -------- 

Subject: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:00:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com
To: yahoogroups <icg-bod@yahoogroups.com>


 

Masquerade Fairness Guidelines 

Looking at the survey, there is a good size section dedicated to the masquerade fairness guidelines. During my time reviewing the presented document, the redline, and short time on the committee, these items on the survey did not seem to be an issue. It seemed everyone wanted some version of anti-harassment, fairness, and accessibility guidelines to be included. There was a concern to make sure the wording for each of those was internationally acceptable and not USA focused. The part we seemed to get hung up on was judging categories. The committee was trying to decide if:

1) there should be just general judging section to fit all types of costumes 

2) a general judging information in the guidelines with appendages for each type of costume (larger, new materials, sewing, genre, etc.) or

3) there should be a section in the main guidelines for everything which would need to be updated each time there is a new material available to customers.  

These were not addressed in the survey. Does anyone have any comments on how this should be handled in the guidelines?  

Merrily 

GCFCG alt rep






Group: ICG-D Message: 51026 From: Karen Purcell Date: 11/29/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Masquerade Fairness Guidelines
What Byron said.

Dr. Karen

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 6:52 PM Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

In my opinion, the fairness guidelines have only one audience: new or fairly new masquerade directors. They discuss judging to assist the MD to write the expectations for judges. That’s why the present guidelines include a fairly brief general section on “Fair Judging Guidelines” http://costume.org/wp/icg-guidelines-ensuring-fair-competition/ . They discuss matters that also are of interest to costumers to help the MD write the masquerade rules. I believe that neither judges nor entrants should bother reading the fairness guidelines. They need to concentrate on the rules the masquerade director (whose word is law) has given them.


Byron



Group: ICG-D Message: 51027 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: 2019 Survey of the Members - LAST DAY

Don’t forget to fill out the 2019 ICG Survey of Members!  The survey results up to 11:59pm EST 12/1/2019 will be published (without names, in random order) tomorrow on the Slack channel #2019survey.  Please click the link below to make your opinion know on many of the motions and discussions that are currently occurring in committees and Board of Directors. 


https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe-bgGojr4IVAd-q27buXAvBUmpJzvhJBuxMNZZ8WDG3IrtTw/viewform



Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-D Message: 51028 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: CC 38 Business - Nominations

Just a few reminders to send your nominations for officers for the 2020 election, the 2020 LAA award, and 2020 President’s awards to icg-president@gmail.com.

Nominations for officers:
You may volunteer for any position.  Please send your nominations stating who you are, who you’re nominating, and the position.  If there is more than one person nominated for each position, then we will print ballots for the annual meeting at CostumeCon 38.  Proxy voting will be allowed per the bylaws and instructions and forms for proxy voting are on the website.  

LAA Nominations:
There are only 45 days left to nominate for the Lifetime Achievement Award!  Please review the requirements on our website:  http://costume.org/wp/icg-lifetime-achievement-award/ and send your nominations soon!  Ballots will be sent out in January to all chapter representatives.

President’s Awards:
Please send any recommendations that you have for individuals that should considered for President’s awards to icg-president@costume.org.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-D Message: 51029 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: CC 38 Business - Nominations
At this time, Vicky Assarattanakul has chosen not to remain in the position of corresponding secretary and I will not be running for Vice President (or President) again.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Dec 1, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:



Just a few reminders to send your nominations for officers for the 2020 election, the 2020 LAA award, and 2020 President’s awards to icg-president@gmail.com.

Nominations for officers:
You may volunteer for any position.  Please send your nominations stating who you are, who you’re nominating, and the position.  If there is more than one person nominated for each position, then we will print ballots for the annual meeting at CostumeCon 38.  Proxy voting will be allowed per the bylaws and instructions and forms for proxy voting are on the website.  

LAA Nominations:
There are only 45 days left to nominate for the Lifetime Achievement Award!  Please review the requirements on our website:  http://costume.org/wp/icg-lifetime-achievement-award/ and send your nominations soon!  Ballots will be sent out in January to all chapter representatives.

President’s Awards:
Please send any recommendations that you have for individuals that should considered for President’s awards to icg-president@costume.org.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-D Message: 51030 From: Jeanine Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Fwd: financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 could have

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 could have.
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 14:19:14 -0500
From: Jeanine Swick <icg-treasurer@costume.org>
Reply-To: icg-treasurer@costume.org
Organization: Treasurer, International Costumers' Guild
To: ICG-BoD <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>


Speaking as the ICG Treasurer here hoping to make a clearer understanding about the potential financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 could have.A YES vote means we MUST RESEARCH the costs of hiring a lawyer to write policies we could probably get for free and decide if we want to spend the money. A NO vote means we MUST HIRE a lawyer to write policies we could probably get for free regardless of cost or whether it could bankrupt the corporation.
Jeanine Swick, Treasurer
International Costumers' Guild, Inc
icg-treasurer@costume.org
Group: ICG-D Message: 51031 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 c
Or, a no vote could mean that we want to simply vote down the proposal entirely in favor of using Maryland Nonprofits services for $100/year and ensure that we’re using a nonprofit attorney in the state of Maryland for the lowest cost. (That’s why I voted no, lol.)

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Dec 1, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Jeanine Swick icg-treasurer@costume.org [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Speaking as the ICG Treasurer here hoping to make a clearer understanding about the potential financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 could have.A YES vote means we MUST RESEARCH the costs of hiring a lawyer to write policies we could probably get for free and decide if we want to spend the money. A NO vote means we MUST HIRE a lawyer to write policies we could probably get for free regardless of cost or whether it could bankrupt the corporation.

Jeanine Swick, Treasurer
International Costumers' Guild, Inc
icg-treasurer@costume.org

Group: ICG-D Message: 51032 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 c
If by some chance we defeat this amendment, it's possible we will obligate the ICG to HIRE a lawyer.

This is an amendment to the original motion. If we don't change the language of the original motion, and that motion passes, we're required to hire.

Are you sure you want to risk what could easily become an expense of tens of thousands of dollars?

Good lawyers in Maryland are $400/hour or more. That seems like playing roulette with the ICG's finances. It took us years to build the balance we have now. Seems like a shame to see it all spent in one place, for lawyers' fees.

But if we'd rather spend our money on the legal profession instead of supporting our art and artists, I guess that's what we'll have to do.

I intend to vote yes on the amendment, on the off chance there aren't enough votes to defeat the motion as a whole.

Regards,

Betsy R. Marks 
Silicon Web

--
Betsy R. Marks
www.hawkeswood.com

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 2:23 PM Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Or, a no vote could mean that we want to simply vote down the proposal entirely in favor of using Maryland Nonprofits services for $100/year and ensure that we’re using a nonprofit attorney in the state of Maryland for the lowest cost. (That’s why I voted no, lol.)

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Dec 1, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Jeanine Swick icg-treasurer@costume.org [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Speaking as the ICG Treasurer here hoping to make a clearer understanding about the potential financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 could have.A YES vote means we MUST RESEARCH the costs of hiring a lawyer to write policies we could probably get for free and decide if we want to spend the money. A NO vote means we MUST HIRE a lawyer to write policies we could probably get for free regardless of cost or whether it could bankrupt the corporation.

Jeanine Swick, Treasurer
International Costumers' Guild, Inc
icg-treasurer@costume.org



Group: ICG-D Message: 51033 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 c
I’m going to copy and paste everything from Slack here so that it actually shows the commentary that is missing in between.  (Vicky, I got it so no worries about cross posting this part.)

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Merrily Wolf:  Wouldn’t the MD non profit be a quote for their services for the listed items. A no vote would mean we have to hire a lawyer instead of their services. At least that is how I’m reading the motion.

Mera Babineaux:  Actually, Maryland Nonprofit offers a lot of services to their members for the $100 membership fee including consulting on policies and things like this.  It’s a lot better use of funds to just go through them than to pay our retainers and billable hours to a Maryland attorney, IMHO.  It would be good to have the motion withdrawn or voted down so that a policy committee could be put together and put the policies together to have Maryland Nonprofits review and offer changes to.

Dragan Rose:  Could we get some clarification on Motion 11-06-2019 1A1? Does a "No" vote require us to hire a lawyer? Not what it could mean, what is DOES mean. I want to understand exactly what the outcome of each of the votes are.

Mera Rose:  No on this puts the language back to 1A.  Honestly, if you don’t want any of it, voting no as each amendment and the original come up would do that.  If you want to change the language to investigate hiring attorneys and not make any decisions on that until the annual meeting, then vote yes on 1A1.  If you want to hire an attorney to draft the language then vote yes on 1A and no on 1A1.  If you want to do something else, you can actually move to amend after this amendment is voted on too.

Judy Mitchell:  A No vote, if the amendment is defeated, means we return to the original motion where the language does require us to hire a lawyer.

Mera Rose:  See my response to Sarah

Betsy R. Marks:  If by some chance we defeat this amendment, it's possible we will obligate the ICG to HIRE a lawyer.

This is an amendment to the original motion. If we don't change the language of the original motion, and that motion passes, we're required to hire.

Are you sure you want to risk what could easily become an expense of tens of thousands of dollars?

Good lawyers in Maryland are $400/hour or more. That seems like playing roulette with the ICG's finances. It took us years to build the balance we have now. Seems like a shame to see it all spent in one place, for lawyers' fees.

But if we'd rather spend our money on the legal profession instead of supporting our art and artists, I guess that's what we'll have to do.

I intend to vote yes on the amendment, on the off chance there aren't enough votes to defeat the motion as a whole.

Regards,

Betsy R. Marks 
Silicon Web

--
Betsy R. Marks
www.hawkeswood.com

Mera Rose:  If this language fails, then it defaults to 1A, if that language fails, then it defaults to 1.

Mera Rose:  And honestly, I don’t see why there is an insistence that we hire an attorney to do it.  I mean, there’s tons of draft templates out there that are cheap or free that we could create a committee to finalize, and then send them to Paddy Morton with Maryland Nonprofits to make sure that we’re 100% compliant.  A lot cheaper, a lot faster, and gets the whole thing done.

I mean, let’s just be realistic here.  Pushing out the dates into infinity to “investigate” it just looks like avoidance behavior, and saying that spending $100 on Maryland Nonprofits and either using their templates or resources and attorney or $100 for legal zoom or some other template service (assuming that any of the legal professionals here don’t have templates already that we could use) is going to bankrupt the ICG is obviously not the case.  Hiring a Maryland attorney at an hourly rate would be a horrible misuse of funds with these two options available, IMHO.

And - while I understand that several of you may not think that this is important, our members don’t agree.  Preliminary graphs from the survey below (these may change as the survey isn’t closed yet, but it gives an idea of the trend right now. And the last one is just to remind everyone on all sides of this issue that tone is important.)

(Graphs from survey available in Slack #boardofdirectors channel, can not be uploaded to Yahoo.)

Jacalyn Boggs:  Well the hiring a lawyer was so we could Get It Done instead of moving at the glacial speed we are known for around here. It has been too long without these necessary documents and after the problems in the last three months, it is clear that we need these documents before we end up in some serious hot water. 

Also, an outside professional entity would hopefully mean that we can not only be in compliance, but people would not be able to argue that they didn’t write the thing or whatever. Ego has gotten in the way too much lately.

Jacalyn Boggs:  Fear tactics when 1. This is something so simple and fast I literally had a lawyer do it for me already at no cost so no, it won’t bankrupt us and 2. We have the simple option of Maryland Nonprofits for a whopping $100? 

This is a bit ridiculous. I’m literally just waiting for us to be signed on with them at this point so I can contact them about several things. Including this specific motion. 

Have y’all a nice day.

Judy Mitchell:  Exactly, Mera, we don't need to hire a lawyer. Kevin pointed that out a while ago. But the original motion is worded to obligate the icg to do just that. That's why i was trying to amend it to say investigate TO hire instead of AND hire, but you two wouldn't listen. This c whike thing should have been scrapped when you found the nonprofit group, but you didn't. Now we have to vote, and if we end up with the original then we HAVE to hire someone.

Mera Rose:  Um, I wasn’t involved in Jacalyn’s motion.  I’ve been trying to put out there that there is a better way to do this without having to go through all of this.  I was a paralegal and I know what the hourly rates are.  It’s a gross misuse of funds.  I agree that the policies need to be made, but I don’t agree with “either side” on the approach at the moment.  And I don’t control withdrawing a motion - I can’t.  The motion to withdraw has to come from the original mover.  I’ve been trying to show this through multiple emails.  Please, everyone, stop assigning motives to each other.  It doesn’t help anything get done.


On Dec 1, 2019, at 2:50 PM, 'Betsy R. Marks' aramintamd@gmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

If by some chance we defeat this amendment, it's possible we will obligate the ICG to HIRE a lawyer.

This is an amendment to the original motion. If we don't change the language of the original motion, and that motion passes, we're required to hire.

Are you sure you want to risk what could easily become an expense of tens of thousands of dollars?

Good lawyers in Maryland are $400/hour or more. That seems like playing roulette with the ICG's finances. It took us years to build the balance we have now. Seems like a shame to see it all spent in one place, for lawyers' fees.

But if we'd rather spend our money on the legal profession instead of supporting our art and artists, I guess that's what we'll have to do.

I intend to vote yes on the amendment, on the off chance there aren't enough votes to defeat the motion as a whole.

Regards,

Betsy R. Marks 
Silicon Web

--
Betsy R. Marks
www.hawkeswood.com

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 2:23 PM Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Or, a no vote could mean that we want to simply vote down the proposal entirely in favor of using Maryland Nonprofits services for $100/year and ensure that we’re using a nonprofit attorney in the state of Maryland for the lowest cost. (That’s why I voted no, lol.)

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Dec 1, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Jeanine Swick icg-treasurer@costume.org [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Speaking as the ICG Treasurer here hoping to make a clearer understanding about the potential financial impact the voting on Motion 11-06-2019-1A1 could have.A YES vote means we MUST RESEARCH the costs of hiring a lawyer to write policies we could probably get for free and decide if we want to spend the money. A NO vote means we MUST HIRE a lawyer to write policies we could probably get for free regardless of cost or whether it could bankrupt the corporation.

Jeanine Swick, Treasurer
International Costumers' Guild, Inc
icg-treasurer@costume.org



Group: ICG-D Message: 51034 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Communications management
There is a new channel in Slack #open-discussion-communications. The purpose of the channel is specifically to discuss how to manage communications at this time. BoD and members are invited and encouraged to participate. This is not a formal committee and is only to promote the exchanging of ideas. Civil discourse only.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-D Message: 51035 From: Jeanine Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Not being snarky here. But please will people keep it only to discussing communications, If it is not related to that subject put it in #random or the appropriate channel.

Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 5:10 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

There is a new channel in Slack #open-discussion-communications. The purpose of the channel is specifically to discuss how to manage communications at this time. BoD and members are invited and encouraged to participate. This is not a formal committee and is only to promote the exchanging of ideas. Civil discourse only.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux


Group: ICG-D Message: 51036 From: ECM Mami Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Jeanine,

Since I'm still figuring out how to navigate Slack, the whole "channel" thing slows me down.  Please bear with us as we/I figure it out.  I'm guessing that I'm not the only one who gets confused.

Thanks,

Elaine M.


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:27 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Not being snarky here. But please will people keep it only to discussing communications, If it is not related to that subject put it in #random or the appropriate channel.

Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 5:10 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

There is a new channel in Slack #open-discussion-communications. The purpose of the channel is specifically to discuss how to manage communications at this time. BoD and members are invited and encouraged to participate. This is not a formal committee and is only to promote the exchanging of ideas. Civil discourse only.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux




Group: ICG-D Message: 51037 From: Jeanine Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Many are confused by the entire system. Part of what really messes things up is in the middle of a discussion thread some go totally off topic and start talking about personal stuff.

Sorry but announcing a birth of a grandchild has absolutely nothing to do with clearing up the already existing confusion on understanding what an amendment means and just takes if further off track.

Keep on plugging,
Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 8:34 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

Jeanine,

Since I'm still figuring out how to navigate Slack, the whole "channel" thing slows me down.  Please bear with us as we/I figure it out.  I'm guessing that I'm not the only one who gets confused.

Thanks,

Elaine M.


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:27 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Not being snarky here. But please will people keep it only to discussing communications, If it is not related to that subject put it in #random or the appropriate channel.

Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 5:10 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

There is a new channel in Slack #open-discussion-communications. The purpose of the channel is specifically to discuss how to manage communications at this time. BoD and members are invited and encouraged to participate. This is not a formal committee and is only to promote the exchanging of ideas. Civil discourse only.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux





Group: ICG-D Message: 51038 From: Mera Shade Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: ICG 2019 Survey of the Members - Data is in Slack
Good evening!

After about 3 hours of rural net lag time outs, the files are finally uploaded.  The raw CSV file and the sorted file containing formatted data split to separate those respondents into sheets containing the responses of verified members and those who were unable to be verified by the time the survey was supposed to be posted at 5pm, when all names were removed as promised.  There were 77 responses, 2 were duplicates and were deleted, leaving 75 surveys.  There were 64 verified members and 11 who were unable to be verified.

You can view the survey results in Slack in the #2019survey channel.  For optimal viewing you can download the file and view it in Excel, as Slack does limit the format.

Visual graphs and charts based on quantitative data will be done and uploaded tomorrow.  Qualitative data will be moved into Word format for easier viewing tomorrow or Wednesday depending on time requirements.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux


Group: ICG-D Message: 51039 From: ECM Mami Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Jeanine,

I totally get your point.  However, is there a channel for just social intercourse?

Elaine


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 8:12 AM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Many are confused by the entire system. Part of what really messes things up is in the middle of a discussion thread some go totally off topic and start talking about personal stuff.

Sorry but announcing a birth of a grandchild has absolutely nothing to do with clearing up the already existing confusion on understanding what an amendment means and just takes if further off track.

Keep on plugging,
Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 8:34 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

Jeanine,

Since I'm still figuring out how to navigate Slack, the whole "channel" thing slows me down.  Please bear with us as we/I figure it out.  I'm guessing that I'm not the only one who gets confused.

Thanks,

Elaine M.


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:27 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Not being snarky here. But please will people keep it only to discussing communications, If it is not related to that subject put it in #random or the appropriate channel.

Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 5:10 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

There is a new channel in Slack #open-discussion-communications. The purpose of the channel is specifically to discuss how to manage communications at this time. BoD and members are invited and encouraged to participate. This is not a formal committee and is only to promote the exchanging of ideas. Civil discourse only.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux







Group: ICG-D Message: 51040 From: Jeanine Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Yes the #Random is for stuff like that.

Jeanine

On 12/2/2019 11:10 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

Jeanine,

I totally get your point.  However, is there a channel for just social intercourse?

Elaine


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 8:12 AM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Many are confused by the entire system. Part of what really messes things up is in the middle of a discussion thread some go totally off topic and start talking about personal stuff.

Sorry but announcing a birth of a grandchild has absolutely nothing to do with clearing up the already existing confusion on understanding what an amendment means and just takes if further off track.

Keep on plugging,
Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 8:34 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

Jeanine,

Since I'm still figuring out how to navigate Slack, the whole "channel" thing slows me down.  Please bear with us as we/I figure it out.  I'm guessing that I'm not the only one who gets confused.

Thanks,

Elaine M.


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:27 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Not being snarky here. But please will people keep it only to discussing communications, If it is not related to that subject put it in #random or the appropriate channel.

Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 5:10 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

There is a new channel in Slack #open-discussion-communications. The purpose of the channel is specifically to discuss how to manage communications at this time. BoD and members are invited and encouraged to participate. This is not a formal committee and is only to promote the exchanging of ideas. Civil discourse only.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux








Group: ICG-D Message: 51041 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: ICG 2019 Survey of the Members - Data is in Slack
Google analytics charts for quantitative data have been added for visual data representation in Slack in the #2019survey channel.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

> On Dec 2, 2019, at 8:31 PM, Mera Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Good evening!
>
> After about 3 hours of rural net lag time outs, the files are finally uploaded. The raw CSV file and the sorted file containing formatted data split to separate those respondents into sheets containing the responses of verified members and those who were unable to be verified by the time the survey was supposed to be posted at 5pm, when all names were removed as promised. There were 77 responses, 2 were duplicates and were deleted, leaving 75 surveys. There were 64 verified members and 11 who were unable to be verified.
>
> You can view the survey results in Slack in the #2019survey channel. For optimal viewing you can download the file and view it in Excel, as Slack does limit the format.
>
> Visual graphs and charts based on quantitative data will be done and uploaded tomorrow. Qualitative data will be moved into Word format for easier viewing tomorrow or Wednesday depending on time requirements.
>
> Cordially,
> Mera Babineaux
>
>
Group: ICG-D Message: 51042 From: Judy Mitchell Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Or even the #General channel. Other situations have included discussion
holiday tv watching in the middle of a thread that was discussing an
amendment wording.
-Judy Mitchell

On 12/3/2019 10:17 AM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] wrote:
>
>
> Yes the #Random is for stuff like that.
>
> Jeanine
>
> On 12/2/2019 11:10 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
>>
>> Jeanine,
>>
>> I totally get your point.  However, is there a channel for just social
>> intercourse?
>>
>> Elaine
>>
Group: ICG-D Message: 51043 From: M.Bruno Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
The system is probably excellent for what it was intended, team meetings of people working on a common project. It's not excellent for hundreds of people who all want to discuss hundreds of different topics. Unless you can keep up with the stream of consciousness posts as they happen all day long. It's too much to come home from work at the end of the day and read through all the posts.

A single channel for conventions could have a single stream of posts about conventions all over the country. Many of which are probably only relevant to people who attend those conventions. Yet, you have to read through all the posts to find what's relevant to you.

I don't feel it's a good system for how the ICG is trying to use it. For BoD discussions and committee discussions, sure. The membership at large, no. 


Michael 

On Dec 2, 2019 11:10 PM, "ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-D]" <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Jeanine,

I totally get your point.  However, is there a channel for just social intercourse?

Elaine


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 8:12 AM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Many are confused by the entire system. Part of what really messes things up is in the middle of a discussion thread some go totally off topic and start talking about personal stuff.

Sorry but announcing a birth of a grandchild has absolutely nothing to do with clearing up the already existing confusion on understanding what an amendment means and just takes if further off track.

Keep on plugging,
Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 8:34 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

Jeanine,

Since I'm still figuring out how to navigate Slack, the whole "channel" thing slows me down.  Please bear with us as we/I figure it out.  I'm guessing that I'm not the only one who gets confused.

Thanks,

Elaine M.


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:27 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Not being snarky here. But please will people keep it only to discussing communications, If it is not related to that subject put it in #random or the appropriate channel.

Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 5:10 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

There is a new channel in Slack #open-discussion-communications. The purpose of the channel is specifically to discuss how to manage communications at this time. BoD and members are invited and encouraged to participate. This is not a formal committee and is only to promote the exchanging of ideas. Civil discourse only.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux








Group: ICG-D Message: 51044 From: ECM Mami Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Communications management
Thanks!

From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 10:17 AM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Yes the #Random is for stuff like that.

Jeanine

On 12/2/2019 11:10 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

Jeanine,

I totally get your point.  However, is there a channel for just social intercourse?

Elaine


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 8:12 AM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Many are confused by the entire system. Part of what really messes things up is in the middle of a discussion thread some go totally off topic and start talking about personal stuff.

Sorry but announcing a birth of a grandchild has absolutely nothing to do with clearing up the already existing confusion on understanding what an amendment means and just takes if further off track.

Keep on plugging,
Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 8:34 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

Jeanine,

Since I'm still figuring out how to navigate Slack, the whole "channel" thing slows me down.  Please bear with us as we/I figure it out.  I'm guessing that I'm not the only one who gets confused.

Thanks,

Elaine M.


From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:27 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Communications management
 


Not being snarky here. But please will people keep it only to discussing communications, If it is not related to that subject put it in #random or the appropriate channel.

Jeanine

On 12/1/2019 5:10 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] wrote:
 

There is a new channel in Slack #open-discussion-communications. The purpose of the channel is specifically to discuss how to manage communications at this time. BoD and members are invited and encouraged to participate. This is not a formal committee and is only to promote the exchanging of ideas. Civil discourse only.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux










Group: ICG-D Message: 51045 From: Kelli Lynch Date: 12/4/2019
Subject: Re: ICG 2019 Survey of the Members - Data is in Slack
I never received an invitation for Slack. Help please

Kelli

Sent from my iPhone
Group: ICG-D Message: 51046 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/4/2019
Subject: Re: ICG 2019 Survey of the Members - Data is in Slack
Invite sent.  Let me know if you have any difficulty getting in.  😊

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Dec 4, 2019, at 12:06 AM, Kelli Lynch kelli_rn2000@yahoo.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

I never received an invitation for Slack. Help please

Kelli

Sent from my iPhone

Group: ICG-D Message: 51047 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/7/2019
Subject: Polls and elections
Poll and election results:

Please join me in congratulating Kevin Roche as our new VP, and please join me in thanking Jacalyn for volunteering as well.

Motion #11-7-2019-1 motion for The ICG Board to task the finance committee to solicit three quotes to find appropriate liability insurance for the corporation to be in place by 1 January 2020. PASSES.

Motion #11-7-2019-3 motion for us to move all communication to our voting platform, Slack, to simply things as two communication streams is confusing. FAILED.

I look forward to discussing communication options moving forward on tomorrow’s BoD conference call.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-D Message: 51048 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/10/2019
Subject: Guidelines Committee Announcement
Guidelines Committee Announcement:

I would like to thank Kevin Roche for accepting the position of Guidelines Committee Chairman! As he has been an active member of the committee there will be no delay in ensuring that a new guidelines draft is available for consideration in time for a vote to adopt at the annual meeting at CostumeCon 38.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-D Message: 51049 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 12/10/2019
Subject: Google Groups info in Slack
Please join us in #open-discussion-communications to see the discussion on which platform, Google Groups or Groups.io, and learn more about Google Groups. Andy Trembley has published quite a few helpful documents on Google Groups for those that are interested in learning more.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-D Message: 51050 From: Andrew Trembley Date: 12/10/2019
Subject: Re: Google Groups info in Slack
Here are the documents I've shared on the Slack.


On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 4:49 PM Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Please join us in #open-discussion-communications to see the discussion on which platform, Google Groups or Groups.io, and learn more about Google Groups.  Andy Trembley has published quite a few helpful documents on Google Groups for those that are interested in learning more.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

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