Dear Byron,

I HAVE to jump in here -- Mr Ballis is pulling your leg, and he will
pull the other one if you don't watch him!

I don't know about the red cowboy hats (Calgarians wearing cowboy
hats in an official capacity tend to wear white), but I do know that
Christopher was given the royal treatment after he put "President,
Australian Costumers' Guild" on his customs declaration under
"occupation".

As the hapless innocent picking him up in the airport, I began to be
distressed when he didn't show up at the international gate, but it
turns out that he had been whisked through customs and allowed to
enter by a different door. He had great fun standing next to me,
waiting to see if I'd eventually recognise him! At this point, all
I had was an inadequate photo to go by (his face heavily bandaged after a
nose repair).

-- Katherine

Byron Connell wrote:

>
> Oh?
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> stilskin@netspace.net.au 12/15/00 07:36AM >>>
> Beware the dudes in the red cowboy hats, they will accost you as you leave
> the plane.
>
> Oh, and don't tell anyone you are president of something.
>
> -C.

Maybe he meant Mountie hats. Aren't they kind of reddish/brownish?

>I don't know about the red cowboy hats (Calgarians wearing cowboy
>hats in an official capacity tend to wear white), but I do know that
>Christopher was given the royal treatment after he put "President,
>Australian Costumers' Guild" on his customs declaration under
>"occupation".
>

Perhaps they misread the form and thought he was the President of Australia.

Bruno

Beware the dudes in the red cowboy hats, they will accost you as you leave
the plane.

Oh, and don't tell anyone you are president of something.

-C.

> Christopher was given the royal treatment after he put "President,
> Australian Costumers' Guild" on his customs declaration under

Aw, come on, I was bored after hours of sitting in flying pipe with nothing
but clouds and tourists to look at.

-C.

> Christopher was given the royal treatment after he put "President,
> Australian Costumers' Guild" on his customs declaration under

Aw, come on, I was bored after hours of sitting in flying pipe with nothing
but clouds and tourists to look at.

-C.

My husband says: " Just don't wear steel-toed shoes and a hat with a
wire reinforced brim!". He forgot he was wearing them and it took a
while before anyone realized why he was constantly setting off loud
"pings". ;-D
---------------
Randall said:
My usual strategy with bargain airlines is to wear my photographer vest
with
the pockets stuffed with sandwiches, jerky, nuts, and other trail food.

I use other pockets on the vest for my swiss army knife, walkman, asthma
inhaler and other metal items. The vest goes through x-ray and I can
walk
through the metal detector without pinging.

Gentlebeings:

This was posted to my dollmakers list; and, since there are enough
quilters, who costume, I am forwarding to everyone.

Merry Christmas! Happy Solstice! Happy Channukkah! Happy Holidays!
Merry Meet! Blessings and Blessed be! Joyous Yule! There, I think that
that about covers it.

Peace
Alixandra
eddana@hotmail.com

>
>QUILTERS NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS
>by Brenda Groelz,
>Kathy Rockbugs,
>Marilyn Root
>and Cindy Swafford
>
> Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house,.
>The only one sleeping was Quilter's dear spouse.
>The Log Cabin stockings were almost completed,
>Just a few stitches left, our sweet quilter repeated.
>
>Then I can hang them and head off to finish
>The pillows I'm making, fulfilling Mom's wish
>For something quilty to put on her couch,
>as she pricked her poor finger, our quilter yelled "ouch"
>
>When from out in the kitchen there arose such a crashing,
>She sprang from her work, and she dropped all her sashing.
>Away to the doorway she flew like a plane.
>Wondering just what was happening and who she could blame.
>
>When what to her wondering eyes should appear,.
>But old Mrs. Claus and her bag of quilt gear.
>With her elves bearing gifts, through the kitchen she came,
>She directed and pointed and called them all by name.
>
>Now Elna, now Pfaff, now Bernina and Viking,
>The Hoffmann and Mumm should be just to her liking.
>To the sewing room - there, it's just back of the hall,
>Now dash away, dash away, dash away all!
>
>My dear, said The Claus (as she liked to be called)
>There really is no need to worry at all.
>Your projects will all be completed this night.
>I'm terribly sorry we gave you a fright.
>
>Sit down, have some tea, it's relaxing, you'll see.
>My friends and I've come a long way to help thee.
>She thought she was dreaming, our dear Quilter did,
>In fact, she quite feared that she'd near flipped her lid!
>
>But the flash of the needles and twist of the thread
>Soon gave her to know she had nothing to dread.
>They spoke no more words, but went straight to their sewing.
>How the work went so quickly, she had no way of knowing.
>
>The stitches, how tiny! The corners how straight!
>The Claus-woman's talent was awfully great.
>They finished the pillows, then started a quilt.
>Before they all knew it, the whole thing was built.
>
>Now old Mrs. Claus, she knew quilters real well,
>And she knew they'd need help on this night most of all.
>So she said to our Quilter, just move over dear,
>I've brought my own needle, we'll get done, never fear.
>
>I told dear old Santa about what quilters do.
>How they plan all these projects but have other work too.
>So he taught me his magic for doing things fast.
>There, that pillow's done, now this is the last.
>
>They tidied their thread snips, and picked up the scraps,
>And chased our dear Quilter's six cats from their laps.
>They left behind gingerbread (just to be nice)
>And the whole house smelled sweetly of Christmas and spice.
>
>As they scurried away with their thimbles still gleaming,
>Dear Mrs. Claus paused, her cap ribbons streaming.
>Merry Christmas, my dear, now just have a ball!
>Relax and enjoy, Happy Quilting to all!
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----
>
>

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To John O and other interested parties,

The Southwest Costumers Guild now has its own domain at
www.southwestcostumersguild.org

This is the same page as before, so your existing links and bookmarks will
still work. You can, however, enter this (much easier to remember) domain on
your browser and you will be redirected to the page. Later on I'll create
some e-mail aliases under the new domain.

Randall
SWCG Webslave

At 05:30 PM 12/14/00 -0800, you wrote:

>Peggy's wake will be on 6 Jan 2001. That's the first Saturday of the new
>year. The reason for the delay is to allow everyone time to make what
>arrangements they need to. For those who wish to know, Peggy, like Pat,
>had opted for cremation.

Unfortunately, between Christmas and inventory, this is the time of year it
is impossible for those of us in retail to get off. This upsets us. We
couldn't get to Pat's memorial and now there is simply no way to get to
Peggy's. We'll be there in spirit. Byron is correct. Peggy was one of our
greats.

Pierre and Sandy

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Happy Holidays Costuming Fans!

Are we all busy making Victorian Christmas Carolers? I know I've been
having fun making Coachmen's coats, still have to put on the buttons.
We managed to whip out two extra "Grinch" costumes, another Reindeer & a
Snowman to help keep all the parades and store promo people happy.
Maybe I'll get back to those ladies Victorian dresses I wanted to make
AFTER the holidays.

One thing I did take a moment to say thanks over was the fact that I
finally got around to organizing my patterns. I believe it was someone
on ProSew e-list that told me, so for a "Christmas gift" to all, I'll
pass it on...

Do you have to many patterns? Of course not! And your stash is never
to big either! But do you have trouble FINDING the pattern that you
want in all those boxes & bags & drawers where you keep them? I know I
spent way to much time digging because I have over 300 patterns. No,
they are not all organized yet, I still have to sort the children's
sized.

What you do is take the inside instruction sheets out and run copies of
the line drawings, two per 8X11 notebook sheet. (Go to Kinko's if you
don't have access to a copier at home or work.) File all your patterns
in your boxes or drawers by the pattern number, regardless of brand.
Some of those nice patterns from Alter Years may need you to assign them
a number. Arrange the copies in a loose leaf binder or folder any way
you like. Flip through your own personal catalog to find anything you
need, then go look it up, just like at the store. (This black & white
catalog also makes life easier for those of us who sew for other people
because they can look at the LINE of the garment instead of the fabrics
and colors suggested on the front of the package!)

Hugs & Kisses!
Susan

corwyn@kolvir.com wrote:

>
> with more work implications for our webmaster...
>
> Are the masquerade results that people post to the list archived in a
> separate location anywhere?

Since the move to eGroups every message posted to the list is available
on the eGroups website. You must be a member of eGroups and the ICG-D
mailing list to access it.

http://www.egroups.com/messages/ICG-D

I do have copies of every message posted to ICG-L and ICG-D, but they
are
scattered across 3 computers in 4 different formats.

JohnO
Web/ListMaster and Packrat

It's just finding the stuff...

The solstice occurred about 20 minutes ago. Hope you enjoyed it.
It's now winter in the north and summer for those standing on their
heads.

Happy Holi-daze,

Byron

Dear Byron:

Merry Meet:

>
>The solstice occurred about 20 minutes ago. Hope you enjoyed it.
>It's now winter in the north and summer for those standing on their
>heads.
>

Blessings of the Solstice to you. I wish you peace and joy.

Peace and Bright Blessings
Alixandra
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Dear Daren:

Please contact me privately.

Peace
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I will be out of the office on vacation from this evening through
Monday, January 1, 2001. During that period, I will not have
access to ICG-BOD or ICG-D. I will be at home, so please feel
free to reach me at BP.Connell@worldnet.att.net. I will be back in
the office beginning Tuesday, January 2.

Have a very Happy Holiday and New Year -- see you in the 21st
Century!

Byron

Well, enough of the audience made enough noise that they seemed to know what
was going on... Maybe that's as good as anyone can do.

Onward & Upward!

- Suford

> From: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Date: 13 Dec 2000 11:43:48 -0000
> To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Subject: [ICG-D] Digest Number 75
>
> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:19:13
> From: "Alix Jordan" <eddana@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 65
>
> Dear Suford:
>
>
>> When Janice Wilson Anderson did the Wedding of Kinball Kinnison and
>> Clarissa
>> MacDougal the audience knew who the characters were - even the audience
>> members who had not read any of the Lensmen books - because those
>> characters
>> are legendary in the field. Legends are good material.
>>
> Odd. I spoke with several people, who were in the audience; and most of
> them didn't get the reference at all; a few did, but only towards the end.
>
> Peace
> Alixandra

Bear in mind also that Lensman was made into an anime` film. It's likely that
many of the audience were reacting to that as well.
Gristle P.

Tony & Suford Lewis wrote:

> Well, enough of the audience made enough noise that they seemed to know what
> was going on... Maybe that's as good as anyone can do.
>
> Onward & Upward!
>
> - Suford
>
> > From: ICG-D@egroups.com
> > Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> > Date: 13 Dec 2000 11:43:48 -0000
> > To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> > Subject: [ICG-D] Digest Number 75
> >
> > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:19:13
> > From: "Alix Jordan" <eddana@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 65
> >
> > Dear Suford:
> >
> >
> >> When Janice Wilson Anderson did the Wedding of Kinball Kinnison and
> >> Clarissa
> >> MacDougal the audience knew who the characters were - even the audience
> >> members who had not read any of the Lensmen books - because those
> >> characters
> >> are legendary in the field. Legends are good material.
> >>
> > Odd. I spoke with several people, who were in the audience; and most of
> > them didn't get the reference at all; a few did, but only towards the end.
> >
> > Peace
> > Alixandra
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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I disagree--it was clear that it was a wedding scene from some science
fiction novel--that was all. I had no idea what it was from. In all
honesty--there are no absolute "legends" in the field that are so well
known they are part of our collective unconsicous.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A.
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Trim.

-C.

To All;


Merry Christmas
Happy Chanukah
Holy Ramadan
Blessed Yule
Happy Kwanza



Pierre & Sandy

"Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed To Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly--
Why They Are Simply Doomed."

Achemdro'hm
"The Illusion of Historical Fact"
-- C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

In a message dated 12/24/2000 4:18:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ICG-D@egroups.com writes:

> In all
> honesty--there are no absolute "legends" in the field that are so well
> known they are part of our collective unconsicous.

I disagree. If you limit it to Fiction, I will agree more. If you limit it
to SF fiction then I will agree even more.
Star Wars
Star Trek
Scrooge
Santa
(Okay so it's Christmas eve, and my mind is on a Christmas bent)


Laura Syms

Happened to find this on Monster.com today. It's a listing for a costumer designer job at Club Med in Copper Mountain, CO.

Bruno


http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=8914798

The January 2001 National Geographic has a nice pictoral article about the
Philadelphia Mummer's Parade ("Kings for a Day"). In addition, there's an
incredible feature about the Japanese Imperial Palace.

Happy holidays, all!

JSM

Sigh. I guess it's a generational thing after all.

How about Beowulf, Laura, if we are not limiting it to fiction. Or Ulysses
(also known as Odysseus)? King Arthur? (Okay, he was pretty fictional
after Mallory got hold of him in 1485, but the old folk tales indicate a
historical basis sometime around 800 ad.) Phillip of Macedon and his son
Alexander the Great?

Somehow I have trouble believing someone who thinks movies don't count as
"fiction" remembers history... or maybe you just couldn't bring yourself to
say "literary fiction" but with none of the examples drawn from history, I
am afraid that the distinction you are drawing, Laura, is between books and
movies, not between fiction and history.

This is an argument for very short memory and no legends at all...

O tempora! O mores! O di immortales! and what is the younger generation
comming to - as they used to lament in Rome...

I bet the "Santa" reference is to the "Santa" of the poem "A Visit from
Saint Nicholas" - the one with reindeer on the roof and arrival & departure
via the chimney rather than to the historical St. Nicholas. Who remembers
him? Or even what country he lived in?

Worse yet, I bet it is without knowing that that image of "Santa" is from
the poem or being able to quote any of it. (I will accept naming all the
reindeer and spelling them correctly as contradiction and be glad of it -
they are all exhorted by name as Santa leaves and just before he says: "to
the top of the porch, to the top of the wall, now dash away, dash away, dash
away all." No cheating and looking it up before you answer.

Ah, well, if that is the way it is, that is the way it is. Though it is
hard to be complaicent about the loss of such heroes of real legend as
Roland, El Cid, others mentioned before and more if people only think of
movies of the last 20 years when someone says "legends."

Grumble. My "spirit of the season" is quite disgruntled.

I am minded to point out that the correct translation of "et in terra, pax
hominibus bonae voluntatis" is not "peace on earth, good will to men" but
"and on earth, peace to men of good will" and much less all-inclusive
sentiment. It has the virtue of being self-fulfilling, however, as those of
good will can accomplish inner peace.

Peace, anyway. And may we all achieve a will to goodness.

- Suford

> From: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Date: 25 Dec 2000 09:11:26 -0000
> To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Subject: [ICG-D] Digest Number 85
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:09:06 EST
> From: mockname@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 84
>
> In a message dated 12/24/2000 4:18:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> ICG-D@egroups.com writes:
>
>> In all
>> honesty--there are no absolute "legends" in the field that are so well
>> known they are part of our collective unconsicous.
>
> I disagree. If you limit it to Fiction, I will agree more. If you limit it
> to SF fiction then I will agree even more.
> Star Wars
> Star Trek
> Scrooge
> Santa
> (Okay so it's Christmas eve, and my mind is on a Christmas bent)
>
>
> Laura Syms

WOW! That would be so cool! Can I come too?
Hugs,
Susan

Timothy wrote:

> Happened to find this on Monster.com today. It's a listing for a costumer designer job at Club Med in Copper Mountain, CO.
>
> Bruno
>
> http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=8914798

> ...Santa call the Easter Bunny?
>
> Trim.
>
> -C.
>

*snort*

*giggle*

You are BAD!

Kate McClure
Known as StitchWitch - Hus Leornian - AAGHH
Grand Pooh-Bah, Beyond Reality Costumer's Guild

Bravery is believing in yourself . . . that nobody can teach you.
El Cordobes, 1971

Susan,

I happened to be on Monster looking for other jobs. If I hadn't spent the previous half hour watching an infomercial for Monster, I probably wouldn't have been there at all. I'm not currently in the market. However regardless of what they advertise, I never find anything good there. I just thought I'd search for "costume" and see what came up. 11 hits but only one actual costume job.

You're welcome to it. I could never do that job.

Bruno

>WOW! That would be so cool! Can I come too?
>Hugs,
>Susan
>
>Timothy wrote:
>
>> Happened to find this on Monster.com today. It's a listing for a costumer designer job at Club Med in Copper Mountain, CO.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>> http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=8914798
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>ICG-D-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>

Dear Suford:

>How about Beowulf, Laura, if we are not limiting it to fiction. Or Ulysses
>(also known as Odysseus)? King Arthur? (Okay, he was pretty fictional
>after Mallory got hold of him in 1485, but the old folk tales indicate a
>historical basis sometime around 800 ad.)

Which Arthur? If you're going for historical, you've got Britians,
Scots, Welsh, and anything else that happened to be around at the time.
Historically, Arthur is a mish mash of several warlords, over several years;
with large lumps of Alfred the Great thrown in.

Phillip of Macedon and his son

>Alexander the Great?

Fine, if your doing historical, but not if you're doing fantasy; besides
people will still have to be told who they are. It still boils down to
telling the judges, and the audience, who they person on stage is supposed
to be; and hoping that they know their history. And believe me, there are
people out there, who haven't heard of Alexander the Great; or if they know
the name, don't really remember what, or who, he was.
If you want to get an idea of what the average person remembers about
history, try: "1066 and all that".

Peace
Alixandra
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If it's any consolation, Suford, Saint Nicholas was Bishop of Myra.

The reindeer are Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner,
Blitzen.

I'm pretty sure they're all spelled correctly. No, I didn't look them
up. (Yes, they are - Sandy - also, Donner and Blitzen are thunder and
lightning, respectively, in German. (Dept. of too much info))

Pierre

At 01:14 AM 12/26/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Sigh. I guess it's a generational thing after all.
>
>How about Beowulf, Laura, if we are not limiting it to fiction. Or Ulysses
>(also known as Odysseus)? King Arthur? (Okay, he was pretty fictional
>after Mallory got hold of him in 1485, but the old folk tales indicate a
>historical basis sometime around 800 ad.) Phillip of Macedon and his son
>Alexander the Great?
>
>Somehow I have trouble believing someone who thinks movies don't count as
>"fiction" remembers history... or maybe you just couldn't bring yourself to
>say "literary fiction" but with none of the examples drawn from history, I
>am afraid that the distinction you are drawing, Laura, is between books and
>movies, not between fiction and history.
>
>This is an argument for very short memory and no legends at all...
>
>O tempora! O mores! O di immortales! and what is the younger generation
>comming to - as they used to lament in Rome...
>
>I bet the "Santa" reference is to the "Santa" of the poem "A Visit from
>Saint Nicholas" - the one with reindeer on the roof and arrival & departure
>via the chimney rather than to the historical St. Nicholas. Who remembers
>him? Or even what country he lived in?
>
>Worse yet, I bet it is without knowing that that image of "Santa" is from
>the poem or being able to quote any of it. (I will accept naming all the
>reindeer and spelling them correctly as contradiction and be glad of it -
>they are all exhorted by name as Santa leaves and just before he says: "to
>the top of the porch, to the top of the wall, now dash away, dash away, dash
>away all." No cheating and looking it up before you answer.
>
>Ah, well, if that is the way it is, that is the way it is. Though it is
>hard to be complaicent about the loss of such heroes of real legend as
>Roland, El Cid, others mentioned before and more if people only think of
>movies of the last 20 years when someone says "legends."
>
>Grumble. My "spirit of the season" is quite disgruntled.
>
>I am minded to point out that the correct translation of "et in terra, pax
>hominibus bonae voluntatis" is not "peace on earth, good will to men" but
>"and on earth, peace to men of good will" and much less all-inclusive
>sentiment. It has the virtue of being self-fulfilling, however, as those of
>good will can accomplish inner peace.
>
>Peace, anyway. And may we all achieve a will to goodness.
>
> - Suford
>
> > From: ICG-D@egroups.com
> > Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> > Date: 25 Dec 2000 09:11:26 -0000
> > To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> > Subject: [ICG-D] Digest Number 85
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:09:06 EST
> > From: mockname@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 84
> >
> > In a message dated 12/24/2000 4:18:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > ICG-D@egroups.com writes:
> >
> >> In all
> >> honesty--there are no absolute "legends" in the field that are so well
> >> known they are part of our collective unconsicous.
> >
> > I disagree. If you limit it to Fiction, I will agree more. If you limit it
> > to SF fiction then I will agree even more.
> > Star Wars
> > Star Trek
> > Scrooge
> > Santa
> > (Okay so it's Christmas eve, and my mind is on a Christmas bent)
> >
> >
> > Laura Syms
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>ICG-D-unsubscribe@egroups.com

"Those Who Fail To Learn History
Are Doomed To Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly--
Why They Are Simply Doomed."

Achemdro'hm
"The Illusion of Historical Fact"
-- C.Y. 4971

Andromeda

In a message dated Fri, 29 Dec 2000 4:12:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, the
mighty Pierre Pettinger writes:

The reindeer are Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner,
Blitzen.

I'm pretty sure they're all spelled correctly. No, I didn't look them
up. (Yes, they are - Sandy - also, Donner and Blitzen are thunder and
lightning, respectively, in German. (Dept. of too much info))>>

This is really freaky, because I happened to note the following information
while looking over my wife's shoulder the other night.

If you go out to the Urban Legends Reference Page (link below), you will find
that it's not "Donner", it's "Donder"--or "Dunder", or other variations. It's
a long, complicated story, but we've all got three-day weekends (I hope we
all do, anyway), so check out the story:

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/xmas/donner.htm

JSM

Over the last few days, I have been making some giant-sized angels.

As I finished one and stood back to check it, I noticed that it almost
exactly resembled the logo for a local rock radio station that has a
metallic winged figure holding a guitar neck. I found the original in a
painting by Martin illustrating Satan for Paradise Lost.

It was an interesting lesson in seeing how different disciplines can use
similar resources to a different end.

Still, how dare they rip off Martin beofre I ripped him off!

-C.

Perhaps when you're done with it you can sell or rent it to the radio station for advertising.

Bruno

>As I finished one and stood back to check it, I noticed that it almost
>exactly resembled the logo for a local rock radio station that has a
>metallic winged figure holding a guitar neck. I found the original in a
>painting by Martin illustrating Satan for Paradise Lost.

Thank you Alix.

I was just trying to get across my point that in Masquerade presentation,
if you don't give the judges and the audience some preliminary idea of
what your character is, they probably won't know. At least, I assume
they won't know.

From my point of view, I've done some original costumes, and had many
people come upand ask, "Is that supposed to be from "X" novels?" While
they never seem to understand the recreations. Whic is why doing a
recreation is such a questionable endeavor, if the award is important to
you.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A.


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Pierre -

I knew someone would know the 8 (I'm afraid I didn't think our friend who
thought movies didn't count as fiction would, though) - and spell them
correctly - it is a big help to spelling them correctly to recognize
"Thunder & Lightning". What was the poet thinking to give them such a
strange mix of names I wonder? Why Comet and Cupid? Speedy Romans?

Bishop of Myra, hmm. I couldn't tell you where Myra was, myself. How fast
we forget, even those of us who value remembering. Though, one doesn't see
much early church history - too many female bishops, I expect.

Happy New Year!

You'll need it, I hear you are getting lots of snow. Up here in New England
we are getting what used to be a "normal amount" - about a foot.

Onward & Upward in costuming

- Suford

> From: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Date: 29 Dec 2000 09:11:18 -0000
> To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Subject: [ICG-D] Digest Number 88
>
> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:52:38 -0600
> From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@radiks.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: Legends in the field
>
> If it's any consolation, Suford, Saint Nicholas was Bishop of Myra.
>
> The reindeer are Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner,
> Blitzen.
>
> I'm pretty sure they're all spelled correctly. No, I didn't look them
> up. (Yes, they are - Sandy - also, Donner and Blitzen are thunder and
> lightning, respectively, in German. (Dept. of too much info))
>
> Pierre

Good Lord! So it's Dutch Thunder & Lightning, is it? Marvelous.

I expect Johnny Marks made them Donner & Blitzen. Now we have this nice bit
of research to put it back to Henry Livingston's original version - if this
interesting account is correct - "Dunder and Blixem!"

Johnny Marks (who wrote "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer") was very likely
of German extraction (I would expect he was also Jewish - note gentle
anti-prejudice theme of the song itself) and of course he was familiar with
Donner und Blitzen.

Well thanks for letting us know about that! Neat!

- Suford

> Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:13:22 EST
> From: morrisjeff@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 88
>
> In a message dated Fri, 29 Dec 2000 4:12:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, the
> mighty Pierre Pettinger writes:
>
> The reindeer are Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner,
> Blitzen.
>
> I'm pretty sure they're all spelled correctly. No, I didn't look them
> up. (Yes, they are - Sandy - also, Donner and Blitzen are thunder and
> lightning, respectively, in German. (Dept. of too much info))>>
>
> This is really freaky, because I happened to note the following information
> while looking over my wife's shoulder the other night.
>
> If you go out to the Urban Legends Reference Page (link below), you will find
> that it's not "Donner", it's "Donder"--or "Dunder", or other variations. It's
> a long, complicated story, but we've all got three-day weekends (I hope we
> all do, anyway), so check out the story:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/holidays/xmas/donner.htm
>
> JSM

> I expect Johnny Marks made them Donner & Blitzen. Now we have this nice

bit

> of research to put it back to Henry Livingston's original version - if

this

> interesting account is correct - "Dunder and Blixem!"
> Johnny Marks (who wrote "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer")

Okay, so let me get this right. There was:

Rudolf, Donner, Blitzen, Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Doc, Sneezy, Curly, Shemp
and Gummo. Is that right?

-C.

> I expect Johnny Marks made them Donner & Blitzen. Now we have this nice

bit

> of research to put it back to Henry Livingston's original version - if

this

> interesting account is correct - "Dunder and Blixem!"
> Johnny Marks (who wrote "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer")

Okay, so let me get this right. There was:

Rudolf, Donner, Blitzen, Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Doc, Sneezy, Curly, Shemp
and Gummo. Is that right?

-C.

Personally, I spent most of my 20's & early 30's working really hard to be a
"Legend in my own Field", but I haven't done anything really scandelouse in
about 5 years so the gossip has sort of died down. ROTFLMAO!!!

As I said earlier, Jeff & I tend to get much better audience responce &
awards when we do Recreation. I get more creative satisfaction from doing
origianal concepts. Therefore, our favorite costumes tend to be what Jeff
calls "Veriation of a Theme" outfits. You take a known concept and twist
it. Such as, way back when Wrath of Khan came out, we did Mirror Universe
Star Trek II uniforms. The Jacket flaps closed the wrong way, had tons of
gold braid, gold sashes, Mirror Universe sword in the world emblems on the
modern bars, Jeff had lots of metals and a dagger & agonizer, I had black
pirate boots and hot pants instead of a skirt because we couldn't figure out
how to do a bear mid drift on the jacket. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. People
LOVED it! When we did our B5 Centauri, we just sellected the gaudiest
fabrics and trims we could afford and through it all together. When we run
in a group of B5 people, we get blinded by the flash cameras. However, if
we were alone, true B5 fanatics would complain that Jeff's "Laundo" was not
correct. Big Deal, it wasn't really Laundo. (Spell that?)

To each his/her own. Go for what is important to you.

OOOHH! When and where are you using them? Will you post pics for us? Did
you see mine? Look up http://www.cdc.net/~stringer/Wings.htm to see how we
did them for Nola.

Hugs,
Susan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Ballis"

> Over the last few days, I have been making some giant-sized angels.
>
> SNIP<I found the original in a
> painting by Martin illustrating Satan for Paradise Lost.
>
> It was an interesting lesson in seeing how different disciplines can use
> similar resources to a different end.
>
> Still, how dare they rip off Martin beofre I ripped him off!

> However, if
>we were alone, true B5 fanatics would complain that Jeff's "Laundo" was not
>correct. Big Deal, it wasn't really Laundo. (Spell that?)

Actually, its Londo.

Know what you mean though. Many don't seem to understand the idea of
embracing the concept and creating original characters and costumes from it.

P&S

Myra was in Asia Minor.

P&S

At 06:25 PM 12/30/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Pierre -
>
>I knew someone would know the 8 (I'm afraid I didn't think our friend who
>thought movies didn't count as fiction would, though) - and spell them
>correctly - it is a big help to spelling them correctly to recognize
>"Thunder & Lightning". What was the poet thinking to give them such a
>strange mix of names I wonder? Why Comet and Cupid? Speedy Romans?
>
>Bishop of Myra, hmm. I couldn't tell you where Myra was, myself. How fast
>we forget, even those of us who value remembering. Though, one doesn't see
>much early church history - too many female bishops, I expect.
>
>Happy New Year!
>
>You'll need it, I hear you are getting lots of snow. Up here in New England
>we are getting what used to be a "normal amount" - about a foot.
>
>Onward & Upward in costuming
>
> - Suford
>
>
> > From: ICG-D@egroups.com
> > Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> > Date: 29 Dec 2000 09:11:18 -0000
> > To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> > Subject: [ICG-D] Digest Number 88
> >
> > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:52:38 -0600
> > From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@radiks.net>
> > Subject: Re: Re: Legends in the field
> >
> > If it's any consolation, Suford, Saint Nicholas was Bishop of Myra.
> >
> > The reindeer are Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner,
> > Blitzen.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure they're all spelled correctly. No, I didn't look them
> > up. (Yes, they are - Sandy - also, Donner and Blitzen are thunder and
> > lightning, respectively, in German. (Dept. of too much info))
> >
> > Pierre
>
>
>
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I guess I really was in a state last night, folks. I sent this out to
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> This message will be short and to the point. My apologies if it seems
> terse. I'm just not handling things too well tonight.
>
> The interment will be Sat, 6 January, at Finley's Sunset Hills Mortuary at
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>
> The wake will follow at Marc & Patty Well's house at 9923 SE Nancy Ct. in

SE

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In a message dated 12/31/2000 7:15:28 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
Stringer@cdc.net writes:

<< Such as, way back when Wrath of Khan came out, we did Mirror Universe
Star Trek II uniforms. The Jacket flaps closed the wrong way, had tons of
gold braid, gold sashes, Mirror Universe sword in the world emblems on the
modern bars, Jeff had lots of metals and a dagger & agonizer >>

About a dozen years ago someone showed an excellent mirror Spock in Phoenix,
complete with a speech about the court martial of Jean-Luc Picard. Was that
one of your number?

I think I was a couple of places ahead in line, though I don't remember
whether I was doing "MacRambo" (a camo kilt and full-automatic bagpipes) or
the "Coat of Junk Mail"

Randall

Suford,

Oops, she's right there. Sorry, Suford, but you (as we know!) are NOT the
average person.
<GBG>
Elaine

> If you want to get an idea of what the average person remembers about
>history, try: "1066 and all that".
>
>Peace
>Alixandra

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That sounds like something Sean would do ;-) He was our mirror universe
Spock (and our Arch Angel Micheal for Paradise lost). Sean made a BEAUTIFUL
Mirror Spock & loved to write monologs for himself. We fell out of touch
with him when he moved west. All things are possible in Costuming. ;-)

Hugs,
Susan

> About a dozen years ago someone showed an excellent mirror Spock in

Phoenix,

> complete with a speech about the court martial of Jean-Luc Picard. Was

that

> one of your number?
>
> I think I was a couple of places ahead in line, though I don't remember
> whether I was doing "MacRambo" (a camo kilt and full-automatic bagpipes)

or

> the "Coat of Junk Mail"

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