On Monday, August 30, 2004, at 03:38 PM, Scott & JoAnn Abbott wrote:

> Just imagine a mega group combining to do the >entire< periodic table,
> heh heh heh.

JoAnn, you're wonderfully sick. Seriously sick.

Of course, either the whole masquerade would be taken up by the whole
periodic table, or it would be a several-year presentation project. I
could just see a website to maintain who had done what element when. Of
course, it would have links to the different costumes. :-)

An insane project, no doubt.

Until later--

Carole

--- In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, "Lay, Toni" <toni@s...> wrote:

>
> HOW DO YOU VOTE FOR SITE SELECTION?

6) I vote for the site I think will put on the best convention.
1) I vote for the site I've never visited and would like to.
9) I vote for the site with the committee that's done several World
Cons.

--Julie ZS

Iron, copper, silver, and gold would be easy to represent. How would you do
molybdenum, lanthanum, seaborgium, praseodymium, and mendelevium?

Toni

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott & JoAnn Abbott [mailto:bubblemum@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:39 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Getting 'serious' about costume competition

Jusr imagine a mega group combining to do the >entire< periodic table, heh
heh heh.

JoAnn in VA

On Monday, August 30, 2004, at 04:12 PM, Lay, Toni wrote:

> Iron, copper, silver, and gold would be easy to represent. How would
> you do
> molybdenum, lanthanum, seaborgium, praseodymium, and mendelevium?

Good question. Some elements only last for fractions of a second, so
you really don't get to see them. They're known by the impact that they
have on other stuff.

I guess for the stuff that you don't get to see, microphotographs might
come into play.

Until later--

Carole

> Just imagine a mega group combining to do the >entire< periodic table,
> heh heh heh.

JoAnn, you're wonderfully sick. Seriously sick.


But of course- I am sick pup, hear me yip! Southpaw southpaw, yip yip yowl!


Of course, either the whole masquerade would be taken up by the whole
periodic table, or it would be a several-year presentation project. I
could just see a website to maintain who had done what element when. Of
course, it would have links to the different costumes. :-)

An insane project, no doubt.

And we could play the Tom Leher song "The elements" as the background music, and choreograph the whole thing so that the spotlight hits each element coming forward as its name is called.....

We would have to do it as a half time show rather than a competition though, otherwise there wouldn't be anyone left to be in the Masquerade!


JoAnn

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That's two! I'm not sure if she's referring to Lammas Night or Saint Camber.

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: Lisa A. Ashton<mailto:lisa58@juno.com>
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Costume of my dreams...


Dear Byron--

You guys do the planning, send me a photocopy, and let's roll.... it's
just that I'm busy for next CC and possibly the one after that...

Yours in costuming,l Lisa A.

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On Aug 30, 2004, at 3:43 PM, J Price wrote:

> (no Worldcon is "affordable" to many
> people, even one in their own backyard so to speak).

Even for those who go to WorldCon regularly, the WorldCon in their own
backyard is likely to be the most expensive WorldCon they ever attend.
I have never invested more $$$ in a WorldCon than I did at ConJose, and
probably won't again until another Bay Area WorldCon bid wins.

--
andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/
San Jose, CA - '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) - '92 K75sa '03 R1150R
(Kevin's)
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On Monday, August 30, 2004, at 04:01 PM, Scott & JoAnn Abbott wrote:

> And we could play the Tom Leher song "The elements" as the
> background music, and choreograph the whole thing so that the
> spotlight hits each element coming forward as its name is called.....
>
> We would have to do it as a half time show rather than a
> competition though, otherwise there wouldn't be anyone left to be in
> the Masquerade!

You still might not have a masquerade if you did that because most of
the costumers would be in the half time rather than the masquerade! ;-)

Until later--

Carole

On Monday, August 30, 2004, at 05:10 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> On Aug 30, 2004, at 3:43 PM, J Price wrote:
>> (no Worldcon is "affordable" to many
>> people, even one in their own backyard so to speak).
>
> Even for those who go to WorldCon regularly, the WorldCon in their own
> backyard is likely to be the most expensive WorldCon they ever attend.
> I have never invested more $$$ in a WorldCon than I did at ConJose, and
> probably won't again until another Bay Area WorldCon bid wins.

Interesting. I had the opposite experience. I didn't spend as much at
ConJose as I normally would. I also did not have to worry about hotel
bill since I slept at home.

Until later--

Carole

> Just imagine a mega group combining to do the >entire< periodic table,

> heh heh heh.

Sadly, I just think of the MagicCon WorldCon periodic table... and I
think of red.

Not sure what the main costumes were (costumer's name deleted on
purpose). However, there were a lot of extras drafted in blacks given
period cards. There were far too many folks on the stage, rehearsed or
unrehearsed (these unrehearsed), their choreography to get "excited" and
bop around as the presentation happened. Back of the stage turned out
to not be rectangular but had large cut out corners. The "red" was not
sequins or fabric... it was the block that have to be cleaned up after
the EMTs.... after one of the elements went off the stage into that
pit.

Sorry.... that's just the image that flashes with that costume...

Moral, Costumes with really big groups make great spectacle... but the
more folks on stage, the more rehearsal and care. It can get very
crowded... and unsafe fast... even on a world con stage.

Just scary images of stuff that goes with costume planning... eak.

-Cat-

6.

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: Lay, Toni<mailto:toni@spaceyideas.com>
To: 'icg-d@yahoogroups.com'<mailto:'icg-d@yahoogroups.com'>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:21 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] Site Selection Voting



HOW DO YOU VOTE FOR SITE SELECTION?


1) I vote for the site I've never visited and would like to.

2) I vote for the site I have visited and would like to do so again.

3) I vote for the site with the best tourist stuff to see/do.

4) I vote for the site I'll be able to afford.

5) I vote for the site I can drive to.

6) I vote for the site I think will put on the best convention.

7) I vote for the site I think will put on the best masquerade.

8) I vote for the site that's never had a World Con (new blood).

9) I vote for the site with the committee that's done several World Cons.


I realize your answer is probably a combination of these statements, so list
the numbers in the order of importance.

I'll go first: 4, 8, and 6.

Toni

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It was done at MagiCon, by Animal X, IIRC. This was the masquerade in which one of the elements fell off the stage. :(

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott & JoAnn Abbott<mailto:bubblemum@comcast.net>
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Getting 'serious' about costume competition




Jusr imagine a mega group combining to do the >entire< periodic table, heh heh heh.

JoAnn in VA

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Ooops! I'm sorry. I intended to forward this to Tina, not reply to it.

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: Byron Connell<mailto:bpconnell@verizon.net>
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Costume of my dreams...


That's two! I'm not sure if she's referring to Lammas Night or Saint Camber.

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: Lisa A. Ashton<mailto:lisa58@juno.com<mailto:lisa58@juno.com>>
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Costume of my dreams...


Dear Byron--

You guys do the planning, send me a photocopy, and let's roll.... it's
just that I'm busy for next CC and possibly the one after that...

Yours in costuming,l Lisa A.

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4 more things about Kevin that we've not discussed.

1. He and Andy throw a great party.
2. He makes a mean expanding cosmo...
3. He's got a great butt.
4. And Boy can he Strip! (I'm getting the vapors just thinking about
it.)


I know that there are other wonderful qualities about Kevin that we've
discussed but these cannot be overlooked.

All aboard the train to bawdyville.

Stephanie

On Aug 30, 2004, at 3:48 PM, maladd wrote:

>
> Kevin provide the 1/2 time show for one of the Gallifrey Masquerades
> (a LA area Dr. Who con) He does have a great voice, it was a treat to
> have such a good 1/2 time for such a small Masquerade.
>
> -Mary Alice
>
> -- In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, Carole Parker <mscip@i...> wrote:
> The live singer was Kevin. Yep, Kevin Roche.
>> ....
>> * A singer and a damn good one, too. If you can get him to sing at
>> Noreascon this next weekend, do so. He really has a *nice* singing
>> voice.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

We also recommend Pros-Aide medical adhesive. Since it's designed to glue
stuff to the skin (like colostemy bags), it's designed to be
non-irritating. I have VERY sensitive skin, and it doesn't affect me at all.

--Karen

At 11:03 AM 8/26/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>There is something called Rigid Collideon (not sure spelled that
>right) you can buy, that's better than spirit gum, works well and is
>all my husband will use when putting any latex pieces on me. Holds
>well for almost all day, as i can attest. You can get it at any
>makeup/costuming shop.
>Pam
>
>
>
> > There are various medical adhesives that should work and be safe
>for the
> > skin. Talk with your friendly neighborhood doctor or nurse about
>what
> > they would recommend, and what it takes to remove it. Some of them
> > require a special adhesive remover while others can be removed with
> > rubbing alcohol or baby oil. Frequently the remover is more
>irritating
> > than the adhesive. DO NOT USE SUPERGLUE!! Spirit gum is a
>possibility,
> > but some people have a strong reaction to it, so I would suggest
>that
> > you try this inside your elbow first to see what your body's
>reaction to
> > it is before you try it on you face.
> >
> > Marty
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

Comments interspersed below.

courtesan@netzero.com wrote:

>
>There are several reasons for this.
>1. There are regular venues and events where you can wear these clothes.
>

Outside of the SCA? Not much in the Midwest.

>
>2. Many people are introduced to costuming by attending a Renaissance Faire
>

True, but the Renaissance, technically, is not Elizabethan. And, like
the SCA, there is so much more than just Elizabethan. I understand that
it's flashy and impressive, but so is Italian - as you well know.

>
>3. There is a lot of information and one of the best books on costuming ever; Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion; so you know what these clothes actually looked like.
>

True. I use her books as a reference often, but not just the
Elizabethan volume - all the volumes.

>
>4. If you want to, you can arrange your entire life around attending Renaissance Faires all over the country and have o other life.
>

True for the SCA as well - see above.

>
>5. Men are more comfortable wearing high boots and loose breeches.
>

Available in many time periods - try Restoration for a change of pace.

>
>6. Tailoring men's clothes from the later periods requires engineering skill.
>

Anything past a T-tunic requires skill.

>
>7. The big skirts hide a multitude of sins. No worrying about the size of your hips.
>

See both English and American Civil War.

A bustle masks the hips too. Enough flounces hides anything.

>
>8. Same with breasts - ampleness is attractive and tends to draw the eye away from less "pleasant" features.
>

I like periods with stiffened bodices. Too bad the party ends after WW I.

>Still, we have so many costumed events here I have no right to complain..
>

I am frequently envious of the many lovely events that occur on both
coasts. It is easy to forget that not all parts of the country have
those options available to them.

Let me be clear; Tudor and Elizabethan are periods full of lovely
dresses. My *personal opinion* is that they need to be given a rest;
there is so much good stuff out there, people - I challenge you to try
something new and unexpected!

Karen
unapologetically stumping for all the periods and cultures seldom
represented

Were they part of the original list on the Elements song? I vote only those elements count (whew, got outta that one!)

Anyway, I would do Arsenic in a black and green satin dress covered with-of course- old lace appliques!

JoAnn in VA

Iron, copper, silver, and gold would be easy to represent. How would you do
molybdenum, lanthanum, seaborgium, praseodymium, and mendelevium?

Toni


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Forwarded from Fran Evans. Thought this might be of interest to everyone:

--Karen

Sorry if this is redundant. I've been away for 10 days on business, and
haven't waded through all the email yet.

>Greetings All,
> I received this info in the mail and thought that
>some of you guys might be interested in seeing this
>exhibit. Sorry, I don't think the exhibit will be
>traveling so unless you live close to the Los Angeles
>area I don't think you'll be able to see it. On the
>plus side, unlike the FIDM exhibit there WILL be a
>full color catalogue available for, I believe, $20..
>And, I think you can order online.
> There will be an outfit from Pirates of the
>Carribean, and one from The Last Samurai. Also an
>outfit from Gladiator, and Terminator 3. I'm sorry
>but I don't know all the designers that will be
>exhibiting.
>The exhibit consists of 50 costumes, the concept
>sketches of that costume and pictures of the
>actor/actress wearing them.
>
> 50 Designers/50 Costumes: Concept to Character
>
> Sept.10 - December 5 2004 in the Academy
>Galleries
> ADMISSION: FREE (Don't know about parking)
> Gallery Hours: Tuesday thru Friday 10am to 5pm
> Weekends: 12pm to 6pm
>
> The Academy Galleries are located at the Academy
>of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. 8949 Wilshire
>Blvd., Beverely Hills, CA
>
> For additional info call: (310) 247-3600 or go
>online to:
> http://www.oscars.org/events/costume_exhibit/index.html

Why? What did you spend so much money on- not on plane tickets or hotel fees I would guess, and those are the two biggest expenses at a con for me.

JoAnn in VA
Even for those who go to WorldCon regularly, the WorldCon in their own
backyard is likely to be the most expensive WorldCon they ever attend.
I have never invested more $$$ in a WorldCon than I did at ConJose, and
probably won't again until another Bay Area WorldCon bid wins.

--
andy trembley,

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Due to some unfortunate circumstances, Ricky and I will not be able to
attend WorldCon this year. (No, we don't have memberships to re-sell.)

On August 12, Spyder (my hearse) was involved in two separate car
accidents, 15 minutes and 300 feet apart, on the Pittsburgh exit of the PA
Turnpike. The first was with a Lincoln Navigator, who clipped her in the
left rear. The second was with an 18-wheeler, who pretty much crushed her
right side with the left rear tires of his trailer. Both times, I was
sitting at a full stop in rush-hour traffic, and they hit me. Totally not
my fault, but definitely very scary (especially the encounter with the
18-wheeler).

I am OK (both were glancing impacts at low speed). But due to her age and
the amount of damage, poor Spyder is totalled. Both insurance companies are
giving us very fair settlements for her, but we've had to take on
additional work (some of it over Labor Day weekend) so that I can afford
another comparable vehicle.

We will miss seeing all of you and your fabulous costume creations.

And I will miss having Spyder as my faithful steed.

--Karen

Well, to start with we bankrolled the Costumers Suite in a real 3-room
parlor suite as part of the kickoff of our Costume-Con 26 bid.

But boy was it fun!

(We also invested extra money to make sure our visitors from out of town
would have an extra special time in our home town!)

Kevin

Scott & JoAnn Abbott wrote:

> Why? What did you spend so much money on- not on plane tickets or hotel fees I would guess, and those are the two biggest expenses at a con for me.
>

On Monday, August 30, 2004, at 10:19 PM, Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> On August 12, Spyder (my hearse) was involved in two separate car
> accidents, 15 minutes and 300 feet apart, on the Pittsburgh exit of
> the PA
> Turnpike. [....] Totally not my fault, but definitely very scary
> (especially the encounter with the 18-wheeler).
>
> I am OK (both were glancing impacts at low speed). But due to her age
> and
> the amount of damage, poor Spyder is totalled.

I'm sorry to read about Spyder, but I'm really happy to read that
you're okay. I was driving my then sweetheart's car back from
ConFrancisco when a double-sectioned bus sideswiped the car and didn't
stop. Yeah, I can understand your scare with the 18-wheeler.

Again, I'm glad you're okay.

Until later--

Carole

maladd wrote:

> Often original costume designs highlight skills and techniques
> already that the designer already has. Some costumer (that only do
> original designs) tend to develop a "signature" style that might be
> great, but after a while their costumes loose that *wow* factor.
> Original designers need make sure they push their skill set and
> experiment with new techniques.

That's one reason I try to switch genres every so often.
There was a period where I got into a serious rut (pun intended)
in which I was working exclusively on one kind of recreation,
and taking it all DEADLY seriously. It can do you some good to
do something outside your usual realm.


--

Steve Swope (aka phierma@sbcglobal.net)

Sadly, its coverage is slightly out of date (those of you
who've heard the last two lines know I'm talking about).

Elaine Mami wrote:

>
> And a catchy little ditty, it is, too. The lyrics come trippingly off my
> tongue, which knots inexplicably.
>
> Elaine
>
> Nil significat nili osculat
> "which does relate to this topic!"
>
>
>
>>The periodic table "song" was by Tom Lehrer in the 1950's.
>>
>>^M^
>>

--

Steve Swope (aka phierma@sbcglobal.net)

On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 12:00 AM, Steve Swope wrote:

> Sadly, its coverage is slightly out of date (those of you
> who've heard the last two lines know I'm talking about).

Even if people haven't heard the song, if they know that it was written
in the 1950's, they know that lots of new stuff has been added to the
periodic table since then. ;-)

JoAnn: That brings up an interesting question. Which version of the
periodic table would you use? The most current one? The 1950's one? One
in-between?

Until later--

Carole

1950's only. None of those new-fangled elements that don't stick around long enough for folks to get a good look at 'em. Besides, it cuts fdown on the number of bodies needed to make costumes...

Note I didn't say "That I would need to make costumes for" I may be crazy, but I ain't >nuts<

JoAnn in VA
Who think she might actually have everything done costume wise before leaving for the Worldcon Wednesday...both cars in the shop permitting of course....

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Bummer about Spyder but very glad you're OK. Having a bigger/ more solid
vehicle certainly helps when jousting with the big things on the road today.
What were their excuses for hitting you? (Other than lame.)

Nora

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricky & Karen Dick" <castleb@pulsenet.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] R.I.P. Spyder and WorldCon


> Due to some unfortunate circumstances, Ricky and I will not be able to
> attend WorldCon this year. (No, we don't have memberships to re-sell.)
>
> On August 12, Spyder (my hearse) was involved in two separate car
> accidents, 15 minutes and 300 feet apart, on the Pittsburgh exit of the PA
> Turnpike. The first was with a Lincoln Navigator, who clipped her in the
> left rear. The second was with an 18-wheeler, who pretty much crushed her
> right side with the left rear tires of his trailer. Both times, I was
> sitting at a full stop in rush-hour traffic, and they hit me. Totally not
> my fault, but definitely very scary (especially the encounter with the
> 18-wheeler).
>
> I am OK (both were glancing impacts at low speed). But due to her age and
> the amount of damage, poor Spyder is totalled. Both insurance companies
are
> giving us very fair settlements for her, but we've had to take on
> additional work (some of it over Labor Day weekend) so that I can afford
> another comparable vehicle.
>
> We will miss seeing all of you and your fabulous costume creations.
>
> And I will miss having Spyder as my faithful steed.
>
> --Karen
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

You'll be missed at Worldcon and Spyder will be missed too. Glad you're OK.

Vicki

Elements: it's been done--Animal X's ad for CC11, which ad was done in
Florida at the Orlando worldcon--sandwich boards for the first 10-12
elements. Voice over intoning the first few, speeds up, speeds way up,
hysterical--the whole lot was herded off the stage by a box of Midol, for
relief of periodic distress.

Of course, I, too, have a design or six in very basic stages for the
states-of-matter elements--y'know earth is solid, water liquid, air gas, and
fire is plasma.
But two of my designs keep coliding, as water white and ordinary gases are
both see-through & colorless.
Dolls, of course, for my designs, should they get to the stage of being
built.

Ann in CT

Jennifer Tifft and I did Fire and Water, and I've done Earth (at the 87
Worldcon in Brighton).

I've always intended to do Air and Void to finish the set... but they
were the designs that were very very tall and I haven't had the time to
sort out the technology to make them move the way I want...

Obviously a popular concept!

Kevin

>
> Of course, I, too, have a design or six in very basic stages for the
> states-of-matter elements--y'know earth is solid, water liquid, air gas, and
> fire is plasma.
> But two of my designs keep coliding, as water white and ordinary gases are
> both see-through & colorless.
> Dolls, of course, for my designs, should they get to the stage of being
> built.
>
> Ann in CT

The one mentioned in the song, of course. How else would you present the
costume???

9-)

B

Carole Parker wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 12:00 AM, Steve Swope wrote:
>
> JoAnn: That brings up an interesting question. Which version of the
> periodic table would you use? The most current one? The 1950's one? One
> in-between?
>
> Until later--
>
> Carole

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Please shut me down from 9/1 until 9/7. We're off to NE4 and my account
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Still sewing furiously. I hope to meet some of you at the convention. If
you happen to catch the ARTC performance at the opening ceremonies, come
over and say "hello". If any of you will still be around on Monday
afternoon at 2:30 (sucky time and date), please come and see the MRAP show
"Return of the King and I". We could use the audience. See you at the
Hyatt Regency!

Trudy

Elements: it's been done--Animal X's ad for CC11, which ad was done in
Florida at the Orlando worldcon--sandwich boards for the first 10-12
elements.

I was imagining really detailed costumes though, the personification of gold, of mercury, of oxygen for example, not just the sandwichboard thing.

But two of my designs keep coliding, as water white and ordinary gases are
both see-through & colorless.

Ah, but >some< gasses are visible, no? Mustard gas yellow, chlorine green, and whatever comes out of a cartoon characters bottom at an inoportune time a sort of greenish black....


JoAnn



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Seeking current mailing addresses for:

Angela Brownfield (last known address Fairbanks, AK)
Michael Lee Burgess (last known address Central City, NE)
Edward Dyas (last known address Stawell, Victoria, Australia)
Joe Eibe (last known address Willows, CA)
Jay Hartlove (last known address San Francisco, CA)
Katherine Jepson (last known address Calgary, Alberta, Canada)
Ruth Margaret Loes (last known address Seattle, WA)
Tara Maginnis (last known address Fairbanks, AK)
Sean Regan (last known address Raleigh, NC)
Madeline Rogers (last known address San Antonio, TX)
Wendy Ross (last known address Beltsville, MD)
Laura Sams (last known address Glen Burnie, MD)
Sophia Kelly Schultz (last known address Ft. Sheridan, IL)
David Smith (last known address El Cajon, CA)
Susan Taubeneck (last known address Seattle, WA)
Leah Watts (last known address Omaha, NE)

These are all the "bounce-backs" to date from the first class mailing to
known designers soliciting them to enter the Costume-Con 23 Fashion Design
Contest.

Any information would be appreciated.

--Karen

Sorry to hear about Spyder, but it's good to know you're okay. How could
they not see something as big as a hearse?

Toni

-----Original Message-----
From: Ricky & Karen Dick [mailto:castleb@pulsenet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:20 AM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] R.I.P. Spyder and WorldCon


Due to some unfortunate circumstances, Ricky and I will not be able to
attend WorldCon this year. (No, we don't have memberships to re-sell.)

On August 12, Spyder (my hearse) was involved in two separate car
accidents, 15 minutes and 300 feet apart, on the Pittsburgh exit of the PA
Turnpike. The first was with a Lincoln Navigator, who clipped her in the
left rear. The second was with an 18-wheeler, who pretty much crushed her
right side with the left rear tires of his trailer. Both times, I was
sitting at a full stop in rush-hour traffic, and they hit me. Totally not
my fault, but definitely very scary (especially the encounter with the
18-wheeler).

I am OK (both were glancing impacts at low speed). But due to her age and
the amount of damage, poor Spyder is totalled. Both insurance companies are
giving us very fair settlements for her, but we've had to take on
additional work (some of it over Labor Day weekend) so that I can afford
another comparable vehicle.

We will miss seeing all of you and your fabulous costume creations.

And I will miss having Spyder as my faithful steed.

--Karen





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Toni

Some of the gases you mention are compounds, not elemental. Many of the elemental gases are colorless at room temperature and pressure. But they do have spectral emission llines when ionized and at lower presure, notably Neon, Argon, Krypton (yes, there is a Krypton), Xenon, etc.

Charles

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From: Scott & JoAnn Abbott

Ah, but >some< gasses are visible, no? Mustard gas yellow, chlorine green, and whatever comes out of a cartoon characters bottom at an inoportune time a sort of greenish black....


JoAnn



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> On August 12, Spyder (my hearse) was involved in two separate car
> accidents, 15 minutes and 300 feet apart, on the Pittsburgh exit of the PA
> Turnpike.
>

Poor Spyder! Gave his/her/its life for you, how noble! I'm glad you're OK, I've come this {} close to having an up-close-and-personal view of the undercarriage of an 18-wheeler myself, and don't envy you your experience.

Will there be a wake?

Kate McClure
aka StitchWitch *
Editor, BRCG newsletter, Notions

- Destinations are often a surprise to the destined. - Thessaly



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> Even if people haven't heard the song, if they know that it was written
> in the 1950's, they know that lots of new stuff has been added to the
> periodic table since then. ;-)
>

If one does the 1950's periodic table, would that be considered Historical?


Kate McClure
aka StitchWitch *
Editor, BRCG newsletter, Notions

- Destinations are often a surprise to the destined. - Thessaly



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To all those going to the World Con:

I hope you have a good time at the convention.

Toni

> > But two of my designs keep coliding, as water white and ordinary gases

are

> > both see-through & colorless.
>
> Ah, but >some< gasses are visible, no? Mustard gas yellow, chlorine

green, and whatever

> comes out of a cartoon characters bottom at an inoportune time a sort of

greenish black....

>
> JoAnn

I didn't think gaseous mustard gas had a color.
Just looked it up on Google--yes, colorless &c liquid & colorless gas.
Also a compound.

Chlorine is a yucky green that I don't like.
Cl(sub)2 is the elemental form, but ick.

Cartoon characters show a finely divied solid dispersed insufficiently.


And my dratted designs all want colorless & the same shape, too, though they
shouldn't be.


Ann in CT

And my dratted designs all want colorless & the same shape, too, though they
shouldn't be.


Ann in CT


Well, if they want to be invisible, why not make a ballon based outfit for them to sit inside of? I would say a hot air balloon even, although that isn't one single gas. Make a helium balloon dress! Teach those noble gasses who'e boss!

JoAnn

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Ricky & Karen Dick wrote:

> Seeking current mailing addresses for:
>
> Joe Eibe (last known address Willows, CA)

I have a current email addy for him. I'll forward this on to him.

Glad to hear that you're okay, though I'm sorry about the vehicle.
Are you going to buy one just like it, or will the next one be a
hearse of a different color?

JSM

Ouch! I know how it is to lose a "faithful stead."

Henry


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In a message dated 8/31/04 12:59:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
bubblemum@comcast.net writes:

> 1950's only. None of those new-fangled elements that don't stick around

long

> enough for folks to get a good look at 'em. Besides, it cuts fdown on the
> number of bodies needed to make costumes...

You could limit the costumes to the elements known by the alchemists. You'd
get to play with all those alchemical symbols as design motifs.

Randall

In a message dated 8/31/04 12:20:27 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
cgalway@xmission.com writes:

> Some of the gases you mention are compounds, not elemental. Many of the
> elemental gases are colorless at room temperature and pressure. But they

do

> have spectral emission llines when ionized and at lower presure, notably

Neon,

> Argon, Krypton (yes, there is a Krypton), Xenon, etc.
>
> Charles

Any gas can be liquified with low enough temperature and high enough
pressure. Liquid oxygen is pale blue.

I expect we're going for an allegorical figure representing the element's
properties. Lots of bright lights for neon? maybe a spacesuit for oxygen?
Something light and blimpy for helium?

Randall

Randall

In a message dated 8/31/04 12:26:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
kate.mcclure@dexmedia.com writes:

> Will there be a wake?

I like the idea of a funeral for a hearse, but what would you carry it in?

Randall

You could include the ones that don't stick around long enough to be seen. They wouldn't be represented by bodies on stage, just by a flash of stage lighting.

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott & JoAnn Abbott<mailto:bubblemum@comcast.net>
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Periodic Table Song


1950's only. None of those new-fangled elements that don't stick around long enough for folks to get a good look at 'em. Besides, it cuts fdown on the number of bodies needed to make costumes...

Note I didn't say "That I would need to make costumes for" I may be crazy, but I ain't >nuts<

JoAnn in VA
Who think she might actually have everything done costume wise before leaving for the Worldcon Wednesday...both cars in the shop permitting of course....

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