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I received the test!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Betsy Delaney

To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 8:52 PM

Subject: [ICG-D] ICG Guidelines (was general grumpy-ness)

All:

I'm having a hard time coming up with the language to explain why I
don't like to see the ICG Guidelines quoted out of context, but here's a
shot at it. Hopefully it will make sense to you. I won't take it
personally if you need further explanation of my point of view. This is
a tough and touchy subject.

Taking the common-sense structure of the Guidelines and employing it for
the purpose of a competition is fine. I think there are a lot of good
things about the guidelines and when they apply to a con, they should be
used. But as Bruce pointed out to me yesterday in his private response
to me, Dragon*Con is using the "ICG Skill Division Rules" for this
year's competition. It's stated very clearly in print on their reg form.

What's wrong with that?

Well, for starters, that's an implied connection between the con's
masquerade and the ICG. And when a masquerade which uses the ICG name
appears to be broken, then the implication is that somehow the ICG
itself may be involved, and by extension might be responsible for some
or all of the poor management. I've got other issues with the wording of
their rules, but they don't fit into the arguement below, and only muddy
the water.

I can't speak about Dragon*Con's management. I have no personal
experience with it. I do have personal experience with Balticon,
however.

I just had a conversation with someone in the Balticon hierarchy who
blames the ICG's masquerade rules as the top reason for eliminating many
of the competitors at Balticon, followed closely by all the Masters who
compete and intimidate the novices or potential competitors.

(For the record, the Balticon rules - unless Marty has changed them from
when I was still involved in running the masquerade there - now say they
are _based on_ the ICG Guidelines instead of saying that they _use_ the
ICG Guidelines. A fine semantic point, but I digress...)

Even after I pointed out that many of those master level costumers had
moved on, he continued to blame both the rules and the high-end
costuming. He thinks that we should go back to costume parades to
encourage more hall costumers back onto stage. When I pointed out that
there simply weren't a lot of costumers, hall or otherwise, he blew me
off.

I think his point of view is horse-hockey, but I know he isn't alone in
thinking this. And I don't have the time or the energy to join the
committee and straighten him or them out.

I don't mean the ICG should be police about our guidelines, or that we
should go take back the "division system" - since it didn't belong to us
in the first place (being adopted from the Kennedy Compendium), but it
really concerns me when a document written in good faith for a specific
set of competitions gets used in a way that might not be appropriate,
and still links back to the ICG.

Seems to me that if a con is going to use the name ICG, the committee
should have
authorization from someone connected to the ICG. Otherwise the ICG's
good name means nothing.

And I think the ICG directors should be concerned that the name of the
organization is being used this way. I've felt this way for a VERY long
time.

And now I've opened a whole new can of worms.

Sorry - the current discussion thread presses lots of my little buttons.

Betsy

--
Betsy R. Delaney
Web Mistress at large
WebInvent.com, Inc.

----- Original Message -----

From: Stephanie Carrigg-Regan

To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 9:40 PM

Subject: Re: [ICG-D] ICG Guidelines (was general grumpy-ness)

> Taking the common-sense structure of the Guidelines and employing it for
> the purpose of a competition is fine. I think there are a lot of good
> things about the guidelines and when they apply to a con, they should be
> used. But as Bruce pointed out to me yesterday in his private response
> to me, Dragon*Con is using the "ICG Skill Division Rules" for this
> year's competition. It's stated very clearly in print on their reg form.

I just checked out the Dragon Con web site and you are right. They do list
both the ICG and the skill divisions. By just reviewing this document if I
didn't have any additional information about the masquerade I would expect
to have a masquerade that is of that caliber of a CC or World Con.  The page
even lists Dragon Con as an International competition on the same level as
CC or Worldcon. Please correct me if I am wrong, but is DC considered on the
same level? Everything I have ever seen on international costume
competitions list only CC and WorldCon at that level. Here's the wording
from the Dragon Con site.
"Entrants will compete under International Costumers' Guild skill division
rules as Junior, Novice, Journeyman or Master. These categories are defined
as follows:


    a.. Master: A contestant who has won at least four major awards at
Worldcon, CostumeCon, Dragon*Con, or ICG-recognized competition.
    b.. Journeyman: A contestant who has won at least one, but less than
four major awards at a WorldCon, CostumeCon, Dragon*Con, or ICG-recognized
competition.
    c.. Novice: A contestant who has never won an award (as indicated above)
in competition.
    d.. Junior: Any contestant under 13"

> Well, for starters, that's an implied connection between the con's
> masquerade and the ICG. And when a masquerade which uses the ICG name
> appears to be broken, then the implication is that somehow the ICG
> itself may be involved, and by extension might be responsible for some
> or all of the poor management. I've got other issues with the wording of
> their rules, but they don't fit into the arguement below, and only muddy
> the water.

Is is possible for the ICG to step in and state that if Dragon Con wants to
use ICG guidelines then they have to follow them?  I agree with Betsy's
statement that if a masquerade uses the ICG name, but doesn't follow the
guidlines and puts forth a masquerade that is not on the same level as CC
and WC then that could/will tarnish the ICG name.

I don't know if there is a way for the ICG to step in, or if that is just
political suicide for the ICG.

I think we all want the same thing, the have the ICG represented in the way
that it should, and to possibly help to improve the Dragon Con masquerade.

I was talking to Carol Salemi earlier tonight about this discussion, and she
mentioned a very good point. Shore Leave used to be a masquerade that was
more like a Creation Convention style of masquerade. Over the years Cindy
Jeppy (please excuse me if I spell Cindy's last name incorrectly) slowly was
able to turn the masquerade into a traditional style of masquerade. It took
a long time with alot of effort on Cindy's part but it was accomplished.

I think that if anything is going to done with Dragon Con, it is going to be
a long process that is going to take years to change.  It's kinda like
losing weight, a slow change is more apt to be sucessful then a dramatic
change that occurs really quickly.

Can you tell that I'm on a diet? :-)

Stephanie

ICG Prez Message - April 2002

Here we are with four months of 2002 under our belts.
I wish I could say it�s been uneventful
for the world, but alas, that would not be true.
However, it seems generally we are all getting
back into the swing of normalcy (or as normal as any
of us in the costuming community ever
are). Life goes on and so does costuming. I, myself,
just went out and bought quite a bit of
fabric. I swear, though, these are projects that I
will finish before the end of May. In fact, I have
no choice. I�m going to a full weekend reenactment
event in Columbia, California and have to
have three day dresses done by then. What a frenzy I
create for myself.

On another and important note, many of you may have
already heard, but I want to make an
official announcement. The Utah Costumers' Guild has
one their bid to host CC23. The Con
will actually take place in Ogden, Utah, and as time
goes by, the Chair of CC23 will send us
information on membership, hotel, and all the other
wonderful stuff. I�m hoping that many (in
fact, a lot) of you decide to go to Costume Con 23 and
find out for yourselves how much fun this
type of costume gathering can be.

With regard to Utah�s successful bid, I do have
something to ask of you. Unfortunately, there
was some irregularity with regard to the vote. This
does not mean that Utah will have their
winning bid pulled, but it did result in the CC23
committee not receiving the seed money that is
normally part of the bidding process. Regrettably,
there has been no way to trace who bought
voting memberships at CC20 (we have been unable to get
a response from our Australia chapter
with regard to this information). Therefore, I would
ask you to make a small donation of $5 or
$10 dollars to get Utah started. We know how hard it
can be to fund these type of events and
this is one way to keep costuming alive. So, if you
can find your way into making a small
donation to help, I would (and so would the Utah
Costumers� Guild) be grateful. The
information on where you can send the money is as
follows: make your checks payable The Utah
Costumers� Guild and send them to 289 W. Hidden Hollow
Drive, Orem, UT 84058-7552.
Make a note on the check that it is a donation for
CC23. Don�t forget, your donation is tax
deductible.

Then, once all the membership information begins to
flow out on CC23, buy a membership, go
to Utah, and attend Costume Con 23. You will have
lots of fun, meet great people, and
experience stuff you can only get at a Costume Con. I
know I�ll be there!

=====
Sincerely,
Darla Kruger
President, International Costumers' Guild

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Subscribing to the ICG-BOD mailing list.

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Administrivia: About the ICG mailing lists.

Due to a crash of the Best List Server in early October,
the ICG mailing lists were moved to eGroups. When the
server came back up, the membership decided it liked eGroups.

The ICG has 2 mailing lists, the ICG General Discussion (ICG-D)
list and the ICG Board of Directors (ICG-BOD) list.

ICG-D is intended for, but not limited to, the general membership
of the International Costumers' Guild.

ICG-BOD is intended for, and limited to, the members of the
International Costumers' Guild Board of Directors as defined
by Article 5, Section 1 of the ICG Bylaws and those non-voting
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1) No Flaming. The moderator will issue one and only one warning.

If the flaming continues, all parties flaming will be unsubscribed.

2) No detailed discussion of the actual making of costumes.

"Huh?" you say. When this list was set up, its intention was
not to draw traffic away other costuming lists such as
H-Costume, F-Costume, Vintage, etc, but to promote discussion
about the ICG and costuming in general between members.

Detailed discussions will be encouraged to move or cross post
to one of the other lists.

3) If someone directly requests the moderator to subscribe/unsubscribe
them they will be sent this message and the moderator will
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4) No SPAM! Suspect addresses in subscription requests will have their
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5) No Chain Letters. I know some of them pull at your heart strings
or have you fearing for your hard drive, but most are inaccurate
(at best), out-of-date or fake (at worst).

6) Severely off-topic discussions or violations of these few policies
will flagged by a message from the moderator with [RIP]* in the
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message should be taken to private eMail.

7) No viral advertising! Do not send messages with advertisements
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* I originally used Rip as in the sense of a ripping seam, but when
capitalized, its other meaning worked as well.

Dear ICG Members:

I hope that all are doing well and creating wonderful
costumes. After all the purpose of all this craziness
we do with the ICG is costuming. I myself am on a
serious costume frenzy. I have a three-day event at
the end of the month for which I need two 1850s day
dresses and one evening dress. I am going to a place
in Northern California by the name of Columbia State
Park. This is in a part of California nicknamed �Gold
Rush� country and where gold was found in 1849 (as I�m
sure all of you remember from grade school history).
Columbia is a town built during, for, and because of
the Gold Rush. A few decades ago, the town was
renovated to its original condition and every year
they have a celebration called �Diggins Days.�
Historical reenactors from all over the state come and
spend several days in costume doing what they do �
reenacting. The park is open to the public during the
day, but in the evening (specifically Saturday), they
close it down for nothing but the costumed reenactors
and have a casino party. My brother (who has gone the
last several years) told me I could wear my 1880s
bustle dress for the casino night, but no, I wouldn�t
hear of it. I MUSN�T be historically inaccurate
(okay, the truth is its just another excuse to stress
myself out and make yet another dress). Hey, I don�t
care what you say, I�m NOT a clothes horse � well,
maybe an historical clothes horse.

I do want to speak of one important piece of ICG
information. I meant to add this to my last message,
but in the process of everything else I needed to put
in I decided to wait until this month. I want to make
one correction to the minutes of the 2002 Annual
Meeting. Per the report, it was stated that I, as
president, had not made or provided a report. This is
incorrect. I specifically stated in my February
message that that was to serve as my presidential
report. Additionally, there will be another
correction forthcoming from Sharon Trembley within the
next month. Other than this, there is nothing else
�official� going on for the moment.

Now, one last thing, and let me put it in your ear
just as a little ruminating idea. Do you usually go
to Costume Cons, but this year didn�t because it was
in Australia? Are you �Jones-ing� for a costume
convention? How coming to Costume College in
California to get your �fix?� Now, it doesn�t have
the competitions, but it does provide programming and
classes up the wahoo (that�s an official term, by the
way). It also is a large (approx. 300) gathering of
costumers and is three days of costume overload and
fun. If you want more info on it, check out the
website at www.costumecollege.org. Yes, I know this
is a shameless plug for Costume College, but it
benefits everybody in our community and should be
experienced by all. If nothing else, check out the
website and see what�s offered.

Well, that�s it for now. Back to my sewing machine
and general insanity. Now, where DID I put that
cat?!?

Sincerely,
Darla Kruger
President, ICG


=====
Sincerely,
Darla Kruger
President, International Costumers' Guild

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Subscribing to the ICG-BOD mailing list.

ICG-BOD is the eGroups based private discussion
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All potential members are vetted by the moderator,
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requester's identity.

Membership elegablity is based on Article V,
Section 1, of the ICG Bylaws, with extenstions.

Voting Members:
ICG Corporate Officers
One Representive per Local Chapter
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Chairperson of each of the ICG Commitees
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If you wish to access the files sections, message archive,
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eGroups bug, not my settings.

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PS: To unsubscribe, see the bottom of any message
posted to the list.

Administrivia: About the ICG mailing lists.

Due to a crash of the Best List Server in early October,
the ICG mailing lists were moved to eGroups. When the
server came back up, the membership decided it liked eGroups.

The ICG has 2 mailing lists, the ICG General Discussion (ICG-D)
list and the ICG Board of Directors (ICG-BOD) list.

ICG-D is intended for, but not limited to, the general membership
of the International Costumers' Guild.

ICG-BOD is intended for, and limited to, the members of the
International Costumers' Guild Board of Directors as defined
by Article 5, Section 1 of the ICG Bylaws and those non-voting
parties as invited by the BOD to provide commentary.

To post to the lists use the following addresses:

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To subscribe, please see the Subscription HowTo contained
in subscribe.txt for instructions.

Notes:

Policies of the ICG-D and ICG-BOD mailing list:

1) No Flaming. The moderator will issue one and only one warning.

If the flaming continues, all parties flaming will be unsubscribed.

2) No detailed discussion of the actual making of costumes.

"Huh?" you say. When this list was set up, its intention was
not to draw traffic away other costuming lists such as
H-Costume, F-Costume, Vintage, etc, but to promote discussion
about the ICG and costuming in general between members.

Detailed discussions will be encouraged to move or cross post
to one of the other lists.

3) If someone directly requests the moderator to subscribe/unsubscribe
them they will be sent this message and the moderator will
subsingle/unsubscribe them.

4) No SPAM! Suspect addresses in subscription requests will have their
identity verified.

5) No Chain Letters. I know some of them pull at your heart strings
or have you fearing for your hard drive, but most are inaccurate
(at best), out-of-date or fake (at worst).

6) Severely off-topic discussions or violations of these few policies
will flagged by a message from the moderator with [RIP]* in the
subject line. Further discussion after the posting of the [RIP]
message should be taken to private eMail.

7) No viral advertising! Do not send messages with advertisements
attached. It is bad enough we have to put up with the ads attached
to the free eMail accounts, without members taking the conscious act
of attaching advertising. I consider these one step above SPAM.

8) Subscribers whose accounts bounces mail will be deactivated.

"If messages sent to a member are consistently returned"
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* I originally used Rip as in the sense of a ripping seam, but when
capitalized, its other meaning worked as well.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Quarterly Reports are due in 1 month

Date: Friday, June 7, 2002
Time: 12:00AM PDT (GMT-07:00)

Remember Quarterly reports are due the 6th of every January,
April, July, and October.

The January report is also when
all ICG dues and CQ subscription moneies are also due.

We are back on line and we have air-conditioning again as well! Yeah!! Just
in time for a cooler weekend (Boo). Oh well. Mostly good news anyway.

Nora

"I like big bots and I cannot lie." - Bill Dwyer

I've just spent the last two nights revamping the Millennium Costumers Guild website. There were some problems with links in the old site not working. I'd done the original in MS Publisher and have redone it in Adobe PageMill. I haven't looked at the source code, but the overall file sizes are much smaller. I haven't gotten all of the pages done yet, but I do have one more page than before. The back issues of our newsletter also seem to be loading a bit better than before.

Bruno



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Forgot to post the URL

http://millenniumcg.tripod.com

It is nearly 2 am.

Bruno

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Quarterly Reports are due in 2 weeks

Date: Monday, June 24, 2002
Time: 12:00AM PDT (GMT-07:00)

Remember Quarterly reports are due the 6th of every January,
April, July, and October.

The January report is also when all ICG dues and CQ subscription
moneies are due as well.

Administrivia: About the ICG mailing lists.

Due to a crash of the Best List Server in early October,
the ICG mailing lists were moved to eGroups. When the
server came back up, the membership decided it liked eGroups.

The ICG has 2 mailing lists, the ICG General Discussion (ICG-D)
list and the ICG Board of Directors (ICG-BOD) list.

ICG-D is intended for, but not limited to, the general membership
of the International Costumers' Guild.

ICG-BOD is intended for, and limited to, the members of the
International Costumers' Guild Board of Directors as defined
by Article 5, Section 1 of the ICG Bylaws and those non-voting
parties as invited by the BOD to provide commentary.

To post to the lists use the following addresses:

ICG-D@egroups.com for general membership discussion.
ICG-BOD@egroups.com for officer level discussions.

To subscribe, please see the Subscription HowTo contained
in subscribe.txt for instructions.

Notes:

Policies of the ICG-D and ICG-BOD mailing list:

1) No Flaming. The moderator will issue one and only one warning.

If the flaming continues, all parties flaming will be unsubscribed.

2) No detailed discussion of the actual making of costumes.

"Huh?" you say. When this list was set up, its intention was
not to draw traffic away other costuming lists such as
H-Costume, F-Costume, Vintage, etc, but to promote discussion
about the ICG and costuming in general between members.

Detailed discussions will be encouraged to move or cross post
to one of the other lists.

3) If someone directly requests the moderator to subscribe/unsubscribe
them they will be sent this message and the moderator will
subsingle/unsubscribe them.

4) No SPAM! Suspect addresses in subscription requests will have their
identity verified.

5) No Chain Letters. I know some of them pull at your heart strings
or have you fearing for your hard drive, but most are inaccurate
(at best), out-of-date or fake (at worst).

6) Severely off-topic discussions or violations of these few policies
will flagged by a message from the moderator with [RIP]* in the
subject line. Further discussion after the posting of the [RIP]
message should be taken to private eMail.

7) No viral advertising! Do not send messages with advertisements
attached. It is bad enough we have to put up with the ads attached
to the free eMail accounts, without members taking the conscious act
of attaching advertising. I consider these one step above SPAM.

8) Subscribers whose accounts bounces mail will be deactivated.

"If messages sent to a member are consistently returned"
will deactivate your account from stop sending the mailing
list to your address.

For freemail account holders (Hotmail, Juno, Excitemail, etc)
Please be aware you account has limitations and will bounce
mail when you exceed you quota or have a full mailbox.


John O'Halloran
ICG List/WebMaster

* I originally used Rip as in the sense of a ripping seam, but when
capitalized, its other meaning worked as well.

International Costumers' Guild HowTo.
Subscribing to the ICG-BOD mailing list.

ICG-BOD is the eGroups based private discussion
group for members of the International Costumers'
Guild Board of Directors.

All potential members are vetted by the moderator,
who may make inquires to the ICG President,
Treasurer or the ICG BOD at large as to the
requester's identity.

Membership elegablity is based on Article V,
Section 1, of the ICG Bylaws, with extenstions.

Voting Members:
ICG Corporate Officers
One Representive per Local Chapter
Non-Voting Members:
One Second Representive per Local Chapter
Chairperson of each of the ICG Commitees
Immediate past ICG President.
ICG Parliamentarian.
ICG Webmaster/Listmaster.
Costumer's Quarterly Editor
Other ICG members designated by the ICG President
or by the Board.

To Subscribe:

Via eMail send a blank message to:
ICG-BOD-subscribe@egroups.com

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On initial subscription, I, as moderator, am willing to
switch your delivery option to Daily Digest. Beyond that,
I do not have any control over your personal settings.

If you wish to access the files sections, message archive,
set a posting alias, or use any of the other features of
eGroups, you must sign up for eGroups. You "may" have to
resubscribe to ICG-BOD, after you join eGroups. It's a
eGroups bug, not my settings.

John O'Halloran
ICG Web/ListMaster

PS: To unsubscribe, see the bottom of any message
posted to the list.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Quarterly Reports are due tomorrow

Date: Saturday, July 6, 2002
Time: 12:00AM PDT (GMT-07:00)

Remember Quarterly reports are due the 6th of every January,
April, July, and October.

The January report is also when all ICG dues and CQ subscription
moneies are due as well.

I have just updated the Millennium Costumers Guild website.

Our newsletters are now current and I've added pictures from the Renaissance Faire.

Michael Bruno
President, et al.



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Hi, sorry but things are running a bit late with me because of a car
accident & broken hand, but I've been looking at the ICG documents and
website to try to find out what exactly a Quarterly Report consists of, & I
couldn't find anything. Is it a financial statement, list of current
members, or a summery of our guild's activities, or all or none of the
above? I'm kinda new at this whole being-in-charge-of-a-guild thing, and it
didn't exactly come with instructions.:)
-----Original Message-----
From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com]


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Quarterly Reports are due tomorrow

Date: Saturday, July 6, 2002
Time: 12:00AM PDT (GMT-07:00)







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Internet Guy to the rescue. :)

I wasn't going to do this until I'd had a chance to talk with Sharon, but events have forced my hand. So...go out to http://www.costume.org/chapter_updates.html. That's the revised, quick-n-dirty Chapter Update Quarterly Report form in all its current glory, updated for current ICG dues and CQ dues.

JSM
Fast-Acting Internet Guy

--- In ICG-BOD@y..., slcgjeff@a... wrote:

> Internet Guy to the rescue. :)
>

That should be...

http://www.costume.org/chapter_updates.html

Stupid stupid periods....

JSM
Fast-Acting Internet Guy

Stupid stupid me. I've had this for over a week and forgot to post
it for Darla. Here we go:

ICG Prez Message

I hope this finds you all well as we move into the hot days of
summer. I, myself, have finally finished my copious sewing projects
(at least this last round) and successfully completed all three
dresses for my trip to Gold Rush Country a few weeks ago. I was so
proud of myself that I finished three days BEFORE the trip. I was
actually able to relax and not sew while driving up there (which
would have been difficult, since I was the driver). We had lots of
fun and found a great place in Columbia to buy period calicos.
Needless to say, I spent too much money - oh well, no surprise.

There is some information I wish to relay. As many of you know, the
ICG has a "department" called the Archives. Carl Mami runs the
Archives and I wanted to provide an explanation to those of you who
don't know what the Archives are and report what's happening with
them at the same time.

The purpose of the ICG Archives is to preserve through written,
photographic, videographic, and now digital means costume-related
events around the world. The reason for this is to keep an
historical record of these events. They are to be used
for "archiving" purposes as well as research for the future. These
events, such as Costume Cons, masquerades at Science Fiction
conventions, and even Costume College, are our link with the past,
and information for the future. When creating this
Archive "department," the ICG was trying to make a statement that it
was important, as with any library, that these records (visual or
otherwise) be available for study and pleasure. Carl, who has run
the department for a very long time, works very hard on this
project. Part of the problem with keeping up with the events is
that technology keeps improving and therefore, Carl keeps having to
upgrade the process. Additionally, you can't even imagine (I
certainly can't), how much space these records take up. Carl has
been keeping all the information in his home as he has been
collecting it. He has, in the last few years, been able to
digitalize many videos and still photos of costume events which has
helped in space consumption. Additionally, the Archives has been
helped along with financial and material contributions from many
sources including the SLUTS, the CGW, other chapters of the ICG,
many individuals, and even Blockbuster Video. Even better than the
financial contributions have been some very generous photographic
donations from many wonderful photographers. More on those
contributors in the future, though. The ultimate goal of the
Archives is to be able to research materials of these wonderful
photos and videos to our members and chapters. However, we have a
little while before we're there. There is so much to catalogue,
copy, and digitalize, it is mind boggling. Now, I hope, you have an
idea of what the ICG Archives are and their purpose.

In the meantime, while Carl is trying to get it all together, he has
produced two sets of disks that are copies of what the Archives has
in its library. For purposes of back up and safety, Carl has
created two disk set copies so that they may be housed in two
separate locations from the originals he is keeping. This way, in
case of any disaster, we have back ups available and all will not be
lost. The CGW has offered storage space for one set of these
precious disk sets, and I believe, the SLUTS have offered a place in
the Midwest. So, we will have copies of the disks on the West
Coast, East Coast, and the Midwest. I am pleased to announce that
the first set of copied disks will be delivered to the CGW at
Costume College in July. These important records will then be
placed in a fireproof box and kept in the CGW's storage unit.
Arrangements for delivery of the second set of copies will be made
in the near future.

Let me add that Carl has worked tirelessly for several years on this
project. He, as does the ICG, feels it's vital to keep a visual
history of costuming. After all, that's what we're here to do,
promote costuming, and the Archives will help us to do just that.

Kevin --

INTERESTING idea !!! I'm cross-posting this to the BoD and hope the BoD will look into it.

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Roche
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] The ICG - Future Planning


> there is apparently a BLACK HOLE that seems to swallow up just about ever
> letter we have ever sent to the East Coast -- especially if that letter
> contains a check. That's a whole different problem. It was suggested by
us
> (the SLUTS) that some sort of "receipt of payment" be established by the
> Treasurer, mostly likely via e-mail, but this has never been adopted, that
I
> know of -- maybe I'm wrong.

You know, I've been working my butt off this year building a registration
system and website for an convention at the end of September, and one thing
we did late last year that has made transmission of funds *really*
straightforward is to establish a business PayPal account.

The system is not without its faults if you are attempting to build your own
e-store, but for straightforward transfers of funds between groups and/or
individuals, it has done wonders for us. It also set us up to be able to
accept credit card payments without having to establish a merchant account,
since PayPal takes care of that.

Yes, there are fees on the transactions, but they might be worth it if it
makes the accounting (and accountability) simpler than mailing checks and
waiting for confirmation that they've arrived and been deposited.

Kevin


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Hello everyone-

Kevin brings up a great point (Since he is one of ours, no wonder!!!). GBACG
has been using PayPal for about 2 months for both memberships and events. It
is working great, and we are getting a lot of positive feedback from our
members. PayPal is a wonderful tool (I have been using PayPal personally for
about two years and I love it!). We still have our old payment avenues (By
mail, at the door) but believe that, as more of our membership go "online",
PayPal will greatly outstrip those in frequency of use. It is not free, but
the fees are nominal (EX: we had an event that was $6.00 per person. PayPal
took .47 on each transaction for a $5.53 net per ticket sold). PayPal was
just recently acquirred by eBay; unknown what affect that may have on the
service. There have been no radical changes as of yet .

Let me know if anyone has any questions about PayPal; there are fairly
straightforward instructions on how to signup on the website
(www.paypal.com).

Tony Lunn
President, Greater Bay Area Costumer's Guild

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Fellow Boarsters,

While the funding and publications debate runs along on ICG-D (including a
lot of criticisms about local officers), I have just heard from our local
treasurer that the dues check we submitted in April has not been cashed.

Can anyone fill me in as to what's happening?

Randall Whitlock
SWCG Prez


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Hi Randall,

I just got notice from our local chapter here in Pa that the Lunatyk
Phrynges check that was sent months ago has just been cashed as well.

I know that we tried to check on it as well. I do not know why it took
so long to be honest.

Jay Meisner
DVCG



Fellow Boarsters,

While the funding and publications debate runs along on ICG-D (including
a
lot of criticisms about local officers), I have just heard from our
local
treasurer that the dues check we submitted in April has not been cashed.

Can anyone fill me in as to what's happening?

Randall Whitlock
SWCG Prez






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Folks:

I'd like to get this issue resolved ASAP:

First, we've not heard much from Darla. It seems that she's either rather
busy at the moment or her e-mail address bounces or both. Could someone on
the West Coast please call her and find out what her valid e-mail address
really is?

Next: I undersatnd that Darla may be tied up with her job presently. Can
the VP (Carl) or other officer take up some of the slack regarding the
present dues situation? I know absolutely nothing about what the present
status of the Treasurer is. I've heard that there is some undefined
difficulty that has made normal conduct of the ICG's a problem.

I'm going to play the bad guy here: As a Board member, I am calling for
actions be taken to get this resolved ASAP.
I've seen two other chapters express problems similar to ours regarding
checks either not being
received or cashed in a timely manner.

Frankly, I am beginning to find this situation intolerable. An effort needs
to be made NOW to find out what's the deal. PHONE CALLS need to be made,
not e-mail. If the Treasurer is unable to fulfill their duties, we need to
have a backup plan put in motion.

Following this establishment of status, I want to propose Nora's solution
for immediate better communication, which was posted on the D list:

"1. The ICG Treasurer sends out an e-mail notice when Quarterly dues/reports
are due with a due date.
2. On that date, the ICG Treasurer posts a list on the ICG-BOD list (which
Chapter Presidents have access to) of monies received from which chapters.
3. If their Chapter is not on that list, that Chapter President
investigates."

I don't want to discuss the other issues regarding when money is sent, nor
how, at the moment. Immediate action needs to be taken on better
communication regarding this specific issue.

I am really hoping this does not require some big discussion about it. I
just want something done. NOW.

Bruce
President, SLCG

In a message dated 8/11/2002 8:57:29 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Following this establishment of status, I want to propose Nora's solution
> for immediate better communication, which was posted on the D list:
>
> "1. The ICG Treasurer sends out an e-mail notice when Quarterly dues/reports
> are due with a due date.
> 2. On that date, the ICG Treasurer posts a list on the ICG-BOD list (which
> Chapter Presidents have access to) of monies received from which chapters.
> 3. If their Chapter is not on that list, that Chapter President
> investigates."
>

If this is a motion, Bruce, it has my second.

Randall
SWCG Prez


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Ok everybody listen up
The problem we are having at this time and each time is the boards fault
I asked two years ago to split the dues recording structure and was told one
person was the best way to go.
NO ONE PERSON should be in charge of all the information with out BACK UP
PLANS.
You made this problem there are NO checks and Balances to our system of
information
I could not rest if I only had one copy of the archives, it is stupid to
believe we could handle our books and other information with out some back
up plan.
What happens if the computer hard drive goes down or the person in charge
dies or even has personal problems that preclude their job.
Now you are all upset cause a problem is facing us and only one person has
the information needed, and you can't deal with it.
All the plans I heard still do not deal with the main issue Who is covering
our ICG ASSES the answer is NO ONE.
As Vice President I have been in this discussion on the d list since it
started.
I am following what our President ask me to follow and report to her each
week as her other life needs attention WE are in charge.
Where are the rest of you.
Dora is following but she has had computer problems but we are here where
are you.
Not even half of the board has said two words.
We hear more from non ICG members than the rest of the board together.
You have asked where we stand here it is, our Treasurer and President have
real life items that need attending and because the information is held by
one person there is no way to answer your questions.
Is this their fault NO it is our fault we did not take care of the problem 2
years ago we patched it cause no one wants to deal with this sort of thing.
What can we do about this NOTHING unless we all work together and fix what
was left undone the last time.
We need a form of checks and balances, to see to it the dues are requested
and then sent and received.
We need backup copies of ALL INFORMATION needed to run if there is a
personal problem again.
We need a system of how to submit request for funds from the budget clearly
spelled out and followed.
Any paper flowing from the ICG to the members (as a chapter or as a single
member) need to be looked at and the information needed to send these items
must be where the editor (any editor) can get them.
Not stored in the main file and shipped in one fashion or another.
We need to streamline our dues structure so everyone is on the same
platform.
We need many other things but what we need the most is for all of us to get
off our hands a help
As VP acting for our President I WANT a full list of board member by chapter
in FIVE DAYS
ALL Chapters will report in by e-mail within that time frame.
Now you know where you stand.
C. D. Mami
Vice President

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: ICG-BOD <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:56 AM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> Folks:
>
> I'd like to get this issue resolved ASAP:
>
> First, we've not heard much from Darla. It seems that she's either rather
> busy at the moment or her e-mail address bounces or both. Could someone
on
> the West Coast please call her and find out what her valid e-mail address
> really is?
>
> Next: I undersatnd that Darla may be tied up with her job presently. Can
> the VP (Carl) or other officer take up some of the slack regarding the
> present dues situation? I know absolutely nothing about what the present
> status of the Treasurer is. I've heard that there is some undefined
> difficulty that has made normal conduct of the ICG's a problem.
>
> I'm going to play the bad guy here: As a Board member, I am calling for
> actions be taken to get this resolved ASAP.
> I've seen two other chapters express problems similar to ours regarding
> checks either not being
> received or cashed in a timely manner.
>
> Frankly, I am beginning to find this situation intolerable. An effort
needs
> to be made NOW to find out what's the deal. PHONE CALLS need to be made,
> not e-mail. If the Treasurer is unable to fulfill their duties, we need
to
> have a backup plan put in motion.
>
> Following this establishment of status, I want to propose Nora's solution
> for immediate better communication, which was posted on the D list:
>
> "1. The ICG Treasurer sends out an e-mail notice when Quarterly
dues/reports
> are due with a due date.
> 2. On that date, the ICG Treasurer posts a list on the ICG-BOD list (which
> Chapter Presidents have access to) of monies received from which chapters.
> 3. If their Chapter is not on that list, that Chapter President
> investigates."
>
> I don't want to discuss the other issues regarding when money is sent, nor
> how, at the moment. Immediate action needs to be taken on better
> communication regarding this specific issue.
>
> I am really hoping this does not require some big discussion about it. I
> just want something done. NOW.
>
> Bruce
> President, SLCG
>
>
>
>
>
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For the Greater Bay Area Costumer's Guild, show the following:

1) Robert "Tony" Lunn, President and ICG BOD member
2) Jana Keeler, Treasurer and ICG BOD alternate

Robert Lunn
President, GBACG

Michael Bruno, President - Millennium Costumers Guild

If it can be made so, then yes, I would so move.

Bruce Mai
SLCG

> If this is a motion, Bruce, it has my second.
>
> Randall
> SWCG Prez
>
>>
> > Following this establishment of status, I want to propose Nora's

solution

> > for immediate better communication, which was posted on the D list:
> >
> > "1. The ICG Treasurer sends out an e-mail notice when Quarterly

dues/reports

> > are due with a due date.
> > 2. On that date, the ICG Treasurer posts a list on the ICG-BOD list

(which

> > Chapter Presidents have access to) of monies received from which

chapters.

> > 3. If their Chapter is not on that list, that Chapter President
> > investigates."
> >
>
>
>

All right, Carl.

Bruce Mai
SLCG

However, this has been an ongoing problem for us and I still maintain it's
not OUR fault. We have made several good faith efforts to get our money in.

Nonetheless, tell me what needs to be done and I will make my contribution
to solve the problem. Let's get this done, and stop waiting for this, that
and the other thhig.

Bruce

In a message dated 8/12/02 10:06:15 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
c.mami@verizon.net writes:

> As VP acting for our President I WANT a full list of board member by chapter
> in FIVE DAYS

For the Southwest Costumers Guild, contact information is as follows:

President = Randall Whitlock = president@southwestcostumersguild.org
Treasurer = Kim L. Martin = treasurer@southwestcostumersguild.org

These are aliases. If you have another e-mail address for me, it's still good.

Surface mail goes to:

Southwest Costumers Guild
PO Box 39504
Phoenix AZ 85069.

This mailbox is checked DAILY. I'll open anything addressed to me or to the
chapter in general. Anything specifically addressed to the treasurer or
another individual is left sealed until I hand it to that person.

Our membership dues check was mailed in April. We've heard nothing back and
the check has not yet cleared.

What other details are needed?

Sincerely
Randall Whitlock
SWCG Prez

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Lunatyk Phrynge,

Board: Jay Meisner President
Alternate Sandy Swank

I apologize to all for my lack of speaking up. I have been taking
care of a sick wife for the past few weeks and have been a bit
preoccupied. I have read much of the posts while at work but have
been unable to respond.

Jay

- -----Original Message-----
From: C. D. Mami [mailto:c.mami@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:08 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


Ok everybody listen up
The problem we are having at this time and each time is the boards
fault
I asked two years ago to split the dues recording structure and was
told one
person was the best way to go.
NO ONE PERSON should be in charge of all the information with out
BACK UP
PLANS.
You made this problem there are NO checks and Balances to our system
of
information
I could not rest if I only had one copy of the archives, it is stupid
to
believe we could handle our books and other information with out some
back
up plan.
What happens if the computer hard drive goes down or the person in
charge
dies or even has personal problems that preclude their job.
Now you are all upset cause a problem is facing us and only one
person has
the information needed, and you can't deal with it.
All the plans I heard still do not deal with the main issue Who is
covering
our ICG ASSES the answer is NO ONE.
As Vice President I have been in this discussion on the d list since
it
started.
I am following what our President ask me to follow and report to her
each
week as her other life needs attention WE are in charge.
Where are the rest of you.
Dora is following but she has had computer problems but we are here
where
are you.
Not even half of the board has said two words.
We hear more from non ICG members than the rest of the board
together.
You have asked where we stand here it is, our Treasurer and President
have
real life items that need attending and because the information is
held by
one person there is no way to answer your questions.
Is this their fault NO it is our fault we did not take care of the
problem 2
years ago we patched it cause no one wants to deal with this sort of
thing.
What can we do about this NOTHING unless we all work together and fix
what
was left undone the last time.
We need a form of checks and balances, to see to it the dues are
requested
and then sent and received.
We need backup copies of ALL INFORMATION needed to run if there is a
personal problem again.
We need a system of how to submit request for funds from the budget
clearly
spelled out and followed.
Any paper flowing from the ICG to the members (as a chapter or as a
single
member) need to be looked at and the information needed to send
these items
must be where the editor (any editor) can get them.
Not stored in the main file and shipped in one fashion or another.
We need to streamline our dues structure so everyone is on the same
platform.
We need many other things but what we need the most is for all of us
to get
off our hands a help
As VP acting for our President I WANT a full list of board member by
chapter
in FIVE DAYS
ALL Chapters will report in by e-mail within that time frame.
Now you know where you stand.
C. D. Mami
Vice President
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: ICG-BOD <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:56 AM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version

> Folks:
>
> I'd like to get this issue resolved ASAP:
>
> First, we've not heard much from Darla. It seems that she's either
> rather busy at the moment or her e-mail address bounces or both.
> Could someone

on

> the West Coast please call her and find out what her valid e-mail
> address really is?
>
> Next: I undersatnd that Darla may be tied up with her job
> presently. Can the VP (Carl) or other officer take up some of the
> slack regarding the present dues situation? I know absolutely
> nothing about what the present status of the Treasurer is. I've
> heard that there is some undefined difficulty that has made normal
> conduct of the ICG's a problem.
>
> I'm going to play the bad guy here: As a Board member, I am
> calling for actions be taken to get this resolved ASAP.
> I've seen two other chapters express problems similar to ours
> regarding checks either not being
> received or cashed in a timely manner.
>
> Frankly, I am beginning to find this situation intolerable. An
> effort

needs

> to be made NOW to find out what's the deal. PHONE CALLS need to be
> made, not e-mail. If the Treasurer is unable to fulfill their
> duties, we need

to

> have a backup plan put in motion.
>
> Following this establishment of status, I want to propose Nora's
> solution for immediate better communication, which was posted on
> the D list:
>
> "1. The ICG Treasurer sends out an e-mail notice when Quarterly

dues/reports

> are due with a due date.
> 2. On that date, the ICG Treasurer posts a list on the ICG-BOD list
> (which Chapter Presidents have access to) of monies received from
> which chapters. 3. If their Chapter is not on that list, that
> Chapter President
> investigates."
>
> I don't want to discuss the other issues regarding when money is
> sent, nor how, at the moment. Immediate action needs to be taken
> on better
> communication regarding this specific issue.
>
> I am really hoping this does not require some big discussion about
> it. I just want something done. NOW.
>
> Bruce
> President, SLCG
>
>
>
>
>
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Board: Ann Stephens ­ Greater Columbia Fantasy Costumers Guild

Sorry for any lack of response. Right now I am working two jobs and get on
the computer about once a week.

The home phone number that I have for Darla Kruger is (626) 449-0665. The
home phone number I have for Sharon Trembley is (908) 727-6169. I have not
tried phoning either of them. I'm the EX-President; one of the current
officers should try to contact them, IMHO. And no, I'm not a member of the
Board of Directors; the By-laws don't have such a provision. I'm on ICG-BOD
by courtesy.

I'd suggest that Carl try phoning them -- or one of the other officers.
Failing that, one of the Directors representing a chapter might do so.

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
To: "ICG-BOD" <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:56 AM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> Folks:
>
> I'd like to get this issue resolved ASAP:
>
> First, we've not heard much from Darla. It seems that she's either rather
> busy at the moment or her e-mail address bounces or both. Could someone
on
> the West Coast please call her and find out what her valid e-mail address
> really is?
>
> Next: I undersatnd that Darla may be tied up with her job presently. Can
> the VP (Carl) or other officer take up some of the slack regarding the
> present dues situation? I know absolutely nothing about what the present
> status of the Treasurer is. I've heard that there is some undefined
> difficulty that has made normal conduct of the ICG's a problem.
>
> I'm going to play the bad guy here: As a Board member, I am calling for
> actions be taken to get this resolved ASAP.
> I've seen two other chapters express problems similar to ours regarding
> checks either not being
> received or cashed in a timely manner.
>
> Frankly, I am beginning to find this situation intolerable. An effort
needs
> to be made NOW to find out what's the deal. PHONE CALLS need to be made,
> not e-mail. If the Treasurer is unable to fulfill their duties, we need
to
> have a backup plan put in motion.
>
> Following this establishment of status, I want to propose Nora's solution
> for immediate better communication, which was posted on the D list:
>
> "1. The ICG Treasurer sends out an e-mail notice when Quarterly
dues/reports
> are due with a due date.
> 2. On that date, the ICG Treasurer posts a list on the ICG-BOD list (which
> Chapter Presidents have access to) of monies received from which chapters.
> 3. If their Chapter is not on that list, that Chapter President
> investigates."
>
> I don't want to discuss the other issues regarding when money is sent, nor
> how, at the moment. Immediate action needs to be taken on better
> communication regarding this specific issue.
>
> I am really hoping this does not require some big discussion about it. I
> just want something done. NOW.
>
> Bruce
> President, SLCG

Michael --

Was there a message associated with this?

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruno" <bruno@armyofdorkness.org>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> Michael Bruno, President - Millennium Costumers Guild

Carl --

As I recall (and I may be mistaken), you did not ask that we create a
back-up source of information. You proposed that all information and
payments for CQ subscriptions go directly (and only) to you and that all
information and payments for memberships go only to the Treasurer. As
President, I objected to that. For one thing, it would have required the
ICG to open a second bank account, doubling our bank fees. For another
reason, attempts to achieve a similar split in the past had been an
unmitigated disaster. (Not that we don't have one now, anyway, so maybe I
was wrong.)

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: "C. D. Mami" <c.mami@verizon.net>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> Ok everybody listen up
> The problem we are having at this time and each time is the boards fault
> I asked two years ago to split the dues recording structure and was told
one
> person was the best way to go.
> NO ONE PERSON should be in charge of all the information with out BACK UP
> PLANS.
> C. D. Mami
> Vice President

Byron I have been in touch with Darla every step of the way as for Sharon
she has been in touch with Betsy and I expect to hear from her when it is
needed.
Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Byron Connell <bconnel1@nycap.rr.com>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> The home phone number that I have for Darla Kruger is (626) 449-0665. The
> home phone number I have for Sharon Trembley is (908) 727-6169. I have
not
> tried phoning either of them. I'm the EX-President; one of the current
> officers should try to contact them, IMHO. And no, I'm not a member of
the
> Board of Directors; the By-laws don't have such a provision. I'm on
ICG-BOD
> by courtesy.
>
> I'd suggest that Carl try phoning them -- or one of the other officers.
> Failing that, one of the Directors representing a chapter might do so.
>
> Byron
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "ICG-BOD" <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:56 AM
> Subject: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
>
>
> > Folks:
> >
> > I'd like to get this issue resolved ASAP:
> >
> > First, we've not heard much from Darla. It seems that she's either
rather
> > busy at the moment or her e-mail address bounces or both. Could someone
> on
> > the West Coast please call her and find out what her valid e-mail
address
> > really is?
> >
> > Next: I undersatnd that Darla may be tied up with her job presently.
Can
> > the VP (Carl) or other officer take up some of the slack regarding the
> > present dues situation? I know absolutely nothing about what the
present
> > status of the Treasurer is. I've heard that there is some undefined
> > difficulty that has made normal conduct of the ICG's a problem.
> >
> > I'm going to play the bad guy here: As a Board member, I am calling for
> > actions be taken to get this resolved ASAP.
> > I've seen two other chapters express problems similar to ours regarding
> > checks either not being
> > received or cashed in a timely manner.
> >
> > Frankly, I am beginning to find this situation intolerable. An effort
> needs
> > to be made NOW to find out what's the deal. PHONE CALLS need to be
made,
> > not e-mail. If the Treasurer is unable to fulfill their duties, we need
> to
> > have a backup plan put in motion.
> >
> > Following this establishment of status, I want to propose Nora's
solution
> > for immediate better communication, which was posted on the D list:
> >
> > "1. The ICG Treasurer sends out an e-mail notice when Quarterly
> dues/reports
> > are due with a due date.
> > 2. On that date, the ICG Treasurer posts a list on the ICG-BOD list
(which
> > Chapter Presidents have access to) of monies received from which
chapters.
> > 3. If their Chapter is not on that list, that Chapter President
> > investigates."
> >
> > I don't want to discuss the other issues regarding when money is sent,
nor
> > how, at the moment. Immediate action needs to be taken on better
> > communication regarding this specific issue.
> >
> > I am really hoping this does not require some big discussion about it.
I
> > just want something done. NOW.
> >
> > Bruce
> > President, SLCG
>
>
>
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In our case, I've received correspondence from Darla that she's going to
look into the on-going issue we've had with our checks. Frankly, I'm tired
of them either disapperaing or returning undelivered. As I understand it,
our latest one has not been cashed. With this ludicrous situation, I'm
giving serius thought to the Paypal idea....

Bruce

----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Connell" <bconnel1@nycap.rr.com>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> The home phone number that I have for Darla Kruger is (626) 449-0665. The
> home phone number I have for Sharon Trembley is (908) 727-6169. I have
not
> tried phoning either of them. I'm the EX-President; one of the current
> officers should try to contact them, IMHO. And no, I'm not a member of
the
> Board of Directors; the By-laws don't have such a provision. I'm on
ICG-BOD
> by courtesy.
>
> I'd suggest that Carl try phoning them -- or one of the other officers.
> Failing that, one of the Directors representing a chapter might do so.
>
> Byron
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "ICG-BOD" <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:56 AM
> Subject: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
>
>
> > Folks:
> >
> > I'd like to get this issue resolved ASAP:
> >
> > First, we've not heard much from Darla. It seems that she's either
rather
> > busy at the moment or her e-mail address bounces or both. Could someone
> on
> > the West Coast please call her and find out what her valid e-mail
address
> > really is?
> >
> > Next: I undersatnd that Darla may be tied up with her job presently.
Can
> > the VP (Carl) or other officer take up some of the slack regarding the
> > present dues situation? I know absolutely nothing about what the
present
> > status of the Treasurer is. I've heard that there is some undefined
> > difficulty that has made normal conduct of the ICG's a problem.
> >
> > I'm going to play the bad guy here: As a Board member, I am calling for
> > actions be taken to get this resolved ASAP.
> > I've seen two other chapters express problems similar to ours regarding
> > checks either not being
> > received or cashed in a timely manner.
> >
> > Frankly, I am beginning to find this situation intolerable. An effort
> needs
> > to be made NOW to find out what's the deal. PHONE CALLS need to be
made,
> > not e-mail. If the Treasurer is unable to fulfill their duties, we need
> to
> > have a backup plan put in motion.
> >
> > Following this establishment of status, I want to propose Nora's
solution
> > for immediate better communication, which was posted on the D list:
> >
> > "1. The ICG Treasurer sends out an e-mail notice when Quarterly
> dues/reports
> > are due with a due date.
> > 2. On that date, the ICG Treasurer posts a list on the ICG-BOD list
(which
> > Chapter Presidents have access to) of monies received from which
chapters.
> > 3. If their Chapter is not on that list, that Chapter President
> > investigates."
> >
> > I don't want to discuss the other issues regarding when money is sent,
nor
> > how, at the moment. Immediate action needs to be taken on better
> > communication regarding this specific issue.
> >
> > I am really hoping this does not require some big discussion about it.
I
> > just want something done. NOW.
> >
> > Bruce
> > President, SLCG
>
>
>
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Byron
I do not mind being misquoted but please do it in context.
I had asked for control of the list of subscribers not a bank account of the
money.
I asked for then and still do ask that the data we use to charge dues and
subscription be in two places with checks and balances.
90% of this problem is everyone wanting to know an answer and the only
person who can answer is not here to answer and so everyone gets upset.
A question if Sharon's house burned down or her computer caught fire what
would we do. Sharon is not the problem the system or lack of one is.
Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Byron Connell <bconnel1@nycap.rr.com>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> Carl --
>
> As I recall (and I may be mistaken), you did not ask that we create a
> back-up source of information. You proposed that all information and
> payments for CQ subscriptions go directly (and only) to you and that all
> information and payments for memberships go only to the Treasurer. As
> President, I objected to that. For one thing, it would have required the
> ICG to open a second bank account, doubling our bank fees. For another
> reason, attempts to achieve a similar split in the past had been an
> unmitigated disaster. (Not that we don't have one now, anyway, so maybe I
> was wrong.)
>
> Byron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. D. Mami" <c.mami@verizon.net>
> To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
>
>
> > Ok everybody listen up
> > The problem we are having at this time and each time is the boards fault
> > I asked two years ago to split the dues recording structure and was told
> one
> > person was the best way to go.
> > NO ONE PERSON should be in charge of all the information with out BACK
UP
> > PLANS.
> > C. D. Mami
> > Vice President
>
>
>
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Byron,

It was in response to Carl's demand for a roll call.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Connell" <bconnel1@nycap.rr.com>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> Michael --
>
> Was there a message associated with this?
>
> Byron

Chicagoland Costumers' Guild roll call:

Barbara Wright, president-- board rep (bawsews@aol.com)
Jennifer Kelley, secretary-- alternate (jakelley@jennifarse.com)

Barbara is not currently on this list. Could she please be added and our
old president (who is no longer on the CCG board) be removed? Thanks.

--Jennifer