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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 51	From: Vicky Young	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: CQ Subscription Rate

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 52	From: Vicky Young	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: ICG Membership Dues

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 53	From: Ken Warren	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: Re: I'll think about it

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 54	From: Ken Warren	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: Re: CQ Subscription Rate

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 55	From: beckystember	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: Re: Byron and the future of the ICG

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 56	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: CQ Subscription Rate

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 57	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Corresponding Secertary duties

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 58	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Raising membership dues

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 59	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: wake up and smell the flowers

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 60	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: CQ as part of ICG Membership

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 61	From: Dora Buck	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 62	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 63	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: CQ as part of ICG Membership

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 64	From: Dora Buck	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: CQ as part of ICG Membership

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 65	From: beckystember	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 66	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 67	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Member Info

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 68	From: jester415@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 69	From: Ken Warren	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 70	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 71	From: jester415@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 72	From: Dora Buck	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: CQ publications

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 73	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Motions

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 74	From: Devinedwk@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Raising membership dues

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 75	From: Devinedwk@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 76	From: Devinedwk@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 77	From: Ken Warren	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 78	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 79	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Nifty

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 80	From: Ken Warren	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 81	From: Dora Buck	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 82	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: CQ Subscription Rate

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 83	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: I Will Finish Out My Term

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 84	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Motions

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 85	From: jester415@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 86	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Stuff for the CQ

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 87	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 88	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 89	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 90	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 91	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 92	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 93	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Motions

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 94	From: Devinedwk@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: I Will Finish Out My Term

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 95	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Australian AGM

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 96	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: ICG items at Australian AGM

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 97	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Local and National dues

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 98	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: ICG items at Australian AGM

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 99	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Chapters to be Added to ICG-BOD

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 100	From: Carol Mitchell	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: CCG reactions to current suggestions

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 51	From: Vicky Young	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: CQ Subscription Rate

Friendly Suggestion regarding wording:

Increase the subscription rate of the Costumer Quarterly to $15/year
effective Jan. 6th 2001.

The $8 subscription rate will be accepted till then to give local
chapters opportunity to remit collections made during the 3rd and 4th
quarters of 2000.

Explanation:
The fourth quarter membership update is supposed to be sent to the ICG
Treasurer by Jan. 6th. If a chapter sends $8, I'll just tack on two
issues to the subscription.

Hint - subscribe now! Should there be a limit placed on how many
years can be accepted? Some members have subscriptions going out
until 2002-2004.

Question:
Are all active chapters on this list now? For the vote, will a paper
copy be mailed?

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 52	From: Vicky Young	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: ICG Membership Dues

I concur $10 sounds too high to spring on people.

Optimally, the ICG should pay for the Archives, Advertising, the Web
Site, Operating Expenses and Correspondence. Even at the highest
membership level of 1,000, the $1 dues were not enough to sustain
this. Currently, volunteers are not only giving their time but
financial support to the ICG.

What is the ICG providing for members or chapters?
The web site and advertising to find the ICG and its local chapters
(BTW, is Portland to be removed from the web site?), non-profit status
from the IRS, by-laws that people worked hard on, at the very least a
monthly message in the mail from the ICG President to each chapter,
and the ICG archives.

The Archive plan has not implemented to distribute the CD-rom sets to
each chapter, but this will be costly and would understandably cost
more than the $1 per person for each chapter.

I'm willing to poll the Sick Pups on $5 per member. This will make
the ICG membership + proposed CQ sub an even $20, up from $9 so we may
just subsequently vote to raise local dues by $10. Much more than
this I fear will have an impact on local chapter membership, or result
in more members just being just local Pups rather than belonging in
the ICG.

Sharon

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 53	From: Ken Warren	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: Re: I'll think about it

I realized earlier this afternoon that Dora is, in addition to being
assistant to the editor of the quarterly, the recording secretary. My
apologies, Dora.

Ken

> I really hate to do this, Dora, but the editor of the Quarterly isn't,
> strictly speaking, a member of the Board of Directors. As
> such, you can't
> make or second motions, and you can't participate in votes of
> the board.
> You're here to keep you informed, and to help stimulate conversation.
>
> I really wish that weren't the case.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 54	From: Ken Warren	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: Re: CQ Subscription Rate

> Friendly Suggestion regarding wording:
>
> Increase the subscription rate of the Costumer Quarterly to $15/year
> effective Jan. 6th 2001.

I would accept that as a friendly amendment to my motion, assuming it meets
the requirements.

Ken

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 55	From: beckystember	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: Re: Byron and the future of the ICG

>What exactly does the Corresponding Secretary do? It sounds like not

enough >correspondence< is going on, and

>Byron winds up doing a lot of it. I'm guilty of going to him as much as

anyone. I think more responsiblity needs to be given >to the CS in
futureduties (I'll talk about that on the ICG-D list).

I've been answering email and the occasional letter and phone call that
arrives here, which is how the job was described to me. Give me more to do,
I don't mind at all.

Jess

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 9:57 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Byron and the future of the ICG

> (Sigh)
>
> As usual, even the online discussions are beginning to make me feel like
the
> Annual meetings. I would rather be stripped naked, smeared with peanut
> butter and thrown into a pit of writhing weasels, because people
constantly
> manage to get off on tangents (valid though they may be) while discussing
a
> central issue.
>
> Very briefly:
>
> Byron: I've already e-mailed you privately. Everyone has pretty much
said
> what I would, so I'm not going to go into much of a "please don't go"
> speech. The bottom line is, you've actually done a lot better than you
> think you have, and you're taking this "taking responsibility" a little
too
> far. Things appear to be finally turning around, with some solid
proposals.
> What we need to do is organize effectively. NOW. No waiting for the
Annual
> meeting. It's quite clear that things have got to be changed, and we, as
> the BOD, need to discuss them in a logical fashion, not willy-nilly.
>
> This whole thing snowballed out of control after I made my proposal
because
> Carl apparently interpreted my proposal as one to have the Annual replace
> the CQ. That was NEVER OUR INTENTION, but because Carl brought it to the
> ICG-D list BEFORE THE PROPOSAL HAD EVEN BEEN PROPERLY DISCUSSED ON THIS
> LIST, the whole thing spun out of control. Granted, there was a good
> discussion about the CQ, memberships, etc. -- this should have been
brought
> up afterwards.
>
> The central problem here is communication. Chris Ballis and others have
it
> right, as I've intimated: The ICG cannot continue as an effective
> organization as it now stands. Right now, we as participants have to
decide
> that more work is going to have to be done to get things back on course,
and
> chiefly among that is communication. E-mail is going a long way toward
> that. Part of that problem is solved by this, but there has to be much
more
> interaction than there has been in the past. Finally having membership
> records straightened out would be another.
>
> Here's a novel question from Nora: What exactly does the Corresponding
> Secretary do? It sounds like not enough >correspondence< is going on, and
> Byron winds up doing a lot of it. I'm guilty of going to him as much as
> anyone. I think more responsiblity needs to be given to the CS in future
> duties (I'll talk about that on the ICG-D list).
>
> Byron said:
>
> > Just over a week ago, I sent the Board an e-mail message about
> > next steps. In it, I asked for a motion to increase the members'
> > subscription fee for The Costumer's Quarterly to $15 a year,
> > effective January 1, 2001, in order to cover the cost of printing
> > and mailing it. I also asked for a second to Bruce Mai's motion to
> > increase ICG dues to $10 a year and to make the ICG Annual a
> > benefit of membership. A week later, there has been neither a
> > motion to increase the CQ subscription nor a second to Bruce's
> > motion. The former proposal is not on the floor. The latter has
> > failed for lack of a second. The Board and I seem to be differing
> > markedly, since it apparently wants not even to discuss either
> > increase formally, and I do not know what direction it wants to
> > take.
>
> Okay. Let's take this one step at a time, people. No more tangents. We
> need formal proposals and solutions regarding the idea of raising
membership
> dues. What do the chapters get for it, considering their reluctance (the
> SLCG's in the past, as well?).
>
> 1. Raise membership dues. There is justified reluctance to this because
> of the CQ's history in the past. The problem is now effectively behind
us.
> Carl will produce a publication on time, no matter what (unlike some
editors
> in the past who waited until they got content). Since Carl is saying he
> wants this to be more text intensive, I say change the format and make the
> CQ more of a newsletter -- no heavier stock cover. This will bring down
> costs and be easier to produce. If the content justifies it, he can
always
> go back to the original format. Every member will receive it. It's the
> only way to give the ICG members any kind of value. Also, some mechanism
> must be put into place to make sure members are actually getting their
> publication -- the Editor/Distributor cannot just send them out and depend
> on the US Snail to deliver them. As part of the process of winning back
the
> confidence of the ICG general members, there's going to have to be follow
> up. Period.
>
> In addition, make membership cards and certificate cards, whatever. Maybe
a
> list of members with volunteered bios -- I recall getting one of those
when
> we first became a Guild chapter (I think). If we can get value added
> discounts like John O proposed, fine, although that'd be hard to work.
The
> SLCG now has a discount at a fabric store in town that Nora works for --
if
> that was/could be extended for ICG members, then a whole network could
> spring up whenever someone is in town -- perhaps something could be worked
> through the listings of the Whole Costumers Catalogue. The final value
> added leads to our original proposal:
>
> 2. Make the Annual part of the membership packet. It's pretty
inexpensive
> to produce, really, especially if we can distribute them through Guild
> chapters. Everyone got off on a damn tangent so that there was never any
> real discussion, as Byron said.
>
> 3. While I thought Lisa H's example was a bit bizarre at first, after
> reading her latest post on the ICG-D list, it's sounding more logical.
The
> ICG must reorganize itself. We need discussion of how to set up lines of
> 2-way communication between the Guild and its chapters as soon as we've
> decided the issues of how much to raise membership dues and what it will
> give people.
>
>
> On the issue of the Portland Guild -- they want out -- fine. They may
have
> been a model chapter in some respects, Nora and my experience with them
was
> that they were not co-operative in other ways, merely being critical of
> others efforts without constructive suggestions for change. Their exit,
> while regrettable, will not have much effect on the Guild, unless we allow
> it to erode morale. This cannot happen.
>
> We need a plan NOW. We need concrete proposals on the table. Once we
have
> recommendations, ONLY THEN do we take it to the ICG-D list and our chapter
> members to discuss. We then take feedback and come up with some final
> decisions. By acting decisively, and quickly, we can re-assure the
general
> membership. By getting the CQ out and obvious, it will show that things
are
> finally in hand.
>
> On the subject of the Guild's finances: Sharon, while your report was
> concise, my eyes still glazed over. At this point, how much money does
the
> ICG still need to have to not only get everything paid off, but have a
> little operating money until membership dues and the other issues have
been
> decided?
>
> The SLCG has yet to even meet yet -- we will do so in about a month's
time.
> The biggest thing on my agenda will be what kinds of things the SLUTS or
the
> ICG membership can do to quickly raise some money. It may be as simple as
> kicking in a few bucks on a one-time basis on the assurance that things
are
> finally changing, to doing fundraisers, etc. Any and all ideas will be
> discussed. And I will report them here after that meeting.
>
> The time is NOW. Let's get this done. Byron's threatened resignation
> aside, these issues have to be acted upon, whether he's gone or not.
> Otherwise, we might as well just go our seperate ways.
>
> Let us begin by discussion of issue #1.
>
> Bruce
> President, SLCG
> Co-Editor, ICG Annual
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 56	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: CQ Subscription Rate

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Trembley" <callisto@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 3:39 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] CQ Subscription Rate
> Question:
> Are all active chapters on this list now? For the vote, will a paper
> copy be mailed?

The SLUTS are.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 57	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Corresponding Secertary duties

Cool. This could take care of the confirmation of CQs mailed out.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jess Miller" <msjess@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Byron and the future of the ICG

>
> I've been answering email and the occasional letter and phone call that
> arrives here, which is how the job was described to me. Give me more to
do,
> I don't mind at all.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 58	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Raising membership dues

> I do want to respond to one thing . This is regarding raising ICG

membership

> dues from $1 to $10. I can guarantee this amount will not fly with CGW
> members. I am not going to explain why over e-mail, but will contact you

> person to discuss. It's complicated and has some emotional issues for our
> members. Could we support a $2, $3, or possibly even $4? Probably, but

not

> $9.

This beggars the question then: Is that enough? A decision needs to be
made about whether the CQ is going to become a benefit of the ICG
membership.

I feel a little like the kid who raises his hand but the teacher won't call
on him.

Cutting my own throat, might we have to do this in two stages -- first raise
dues enough for operating and the production of the CQ, and raise it again
later if the ICG wants to include the Annual as a benefit?

If the subscription of the CQ is raised enough to cover production, then a
$9 increase might be more than needed.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 59	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: wake up and smell the flowers

Carl said:

>First Bruce I am sorry about going off on a tangent, but I thought as the
>one with his butt in the grinder for three grand it was important.

Fine, but you were misinterpeting my intention, and no one seemed to pay
attention. And I believe, at the time, I was unaware we were talking about
$3000 of ground butt meat until Byron said something about it.

>That out of the way:
>Wake up people this is not a Democracy it is a Republic and you are the
>chosen few who must do the hard work. You should know what your people
>want and how they want you to vote. It is your job to get off you
>collective butts and do it.

I think we're working on that, and I agree. And I've put forth the
proposals to get it into gear.

Regarding the CQ, Carl said:

>Bruce you run it. It will give you a better Idea of what is needed and the
>first thing you will need is the stones to do the job. I said I would
>bring it up to date and it is done, issue left for the year one is ready
>for press and one could be, it only lacks the same thing all the others
>have lacked, support from the Board of Directors.

(Okay. I've somehow apparently managed to offend Carl here, so I gotta talk
to him off- list.)

For the record, in the past, I co-produced a newsletter for an organization
with twice the subscription base as the CQ currently has, though certainly
not quite as high its production value. And I wrote an awful lot of the
content for each issue myself, so I am aware of the difficulties an editor
and publisher faces.

I also want to go on record as having always supported the CQ, even as I
criticized the problems I and the SLCG encountered. I still don't think my
view was unreasonable that I wanted to see some CQs actually come out before
I invested my time and money in it again. >>>>>Carl has met that challenge
and I applaud his efforts.<<<<<<<

I forgot to add to one of my posts, echoing Chris' that I officially
volunteer to be a writer for the CQ. In fact, I already had one article abo
ut Halloween costuming ready to go, but it's obviously not appropriate at
this time.

>You people have the power to make or break the ICG but you do nothing.
>When this is over how will you remember this mess? Will you say you did
>what was needed or that you would have helped, but you had no time?

I have never said I've had no time. In fact, that has been our complaint.

Bottom line: 10% of the people in any organization wind up doing all the
work, almost without exception. Those who are in the positions of
responsibility had better come to accept this, or get out of the way and let
someone else take the reins. I want to be part of that 10% to make the
decision for those changes and I have pushed for changes faster than we've
been making them so far. However our 10% is going to have to be made up of
people that can be relied on to give up the time to do what's necessary.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 60	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: CQ as part of ICG Membership

Two issues came out and subscription renewals dropped. The 1999 combo
issue is to go out to all ICG members as soon as I complete updating
the addresses of a very big chapter (Got CGW yesterday!).

I am concerned that one chapter does not seem to be handling the
subscriptions locally, and the members are mailing me the $8 on their
own. I applaud that they are aware of the CQ, but I'm not sure what's
going on.

Locally, the CQ is optional, but many have remained subscribers. With
the dues increase being discussed, the chapters that do not offer the
CQ will have difficulty explaining to their members a significant
overall increase that could be $20 to $25 on top of what they already
paid. I suspect these are already the most dissatisfied chapters so I
don't think we should go pushing their buttons until we hear back that
those chapters, or a majority of them, want CQs.

The 'no CQ' option would tie back in with the lack of communication
issue, and currently the CQ's 'News from Around the Guild' is sparse.

Sharon

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 61	From: Dora Buck	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Membership & subscription Rates

Dear all:

I am confused!!! The membership and the subscriptions for the CQ and Annual
are all in discussion. When reading all of the posts I am not sure which
one I am reading about or if it is all of them combined.

ICG MEMBERSHIP
1. Is the CQ included in with the ICG membership?
a) If no, then an increase in the membership to $5. is probably needed
to offset the increase in living expenses (banking, advertisements, etc.)
b) If yes, than an increase for both the membership and CQ to $20 ($5
membership and $15 CQ)

2. Is the Annual to be part of the ICG Membership?
a) If no, then same as 1.a) above.
b) If yes, than an increase to cover the expenses for publishing the
Annual and $5. for membership.

Costumer's Quarterly
1. If the CQ is not part of the ICG membership (combined $20 yearly), then
a subscription rate from $8. to $15. is needed.

Annual
1. If the Annual is not part of the ICG membership either combined with the
CQ or without, there needs to be another choice catagory. (sorry I do not
have the prices (Bruce can you help here please))

Okay, I think as I see it.

ICG Membership alone - YES or NO
ICG Membership with CQ - YES or NO
ICG Membership with Annual - YES or NO
ICG Membership with CQ and Annual - YES or NO

Did I cover all of the bases? I think this is the first step that has to be
decided.

Personally, I opt for the last catagory ICG with both.

Dora Buck
Recording Secretary

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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 62	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Thank You, Dora!!!!
Nicely summarized.

1. ICG dues raised = $5
2. ICG w/CQ = $20
3. ICG w/Annual = $10
4. ICG w/ CQ & Annual = $25

That seems to be the figures I'm coming up with. Anyone disagree?
Now how do we decide what we want and how do we act on this?

Nora

Bruce and Nora Mai
Costuming and Cats -- It must be Casa Mai!
http://members.xoom.com/CasaMai/casamai/splashx.html

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 63	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: CQ as part of ICG Membership

----- Original Message -----
From: <callisto@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 7:32 AM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] CQ as part of ICG Membership

> The 'no CQ' option would tie back in with the lack of communication
issue.....

Yup, exactly my point.

>....and currently the CQ's 'News from Around the Guild' is sparse.

I believe our Jeff Morris has at least sent something to fill the void on
our behalf.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 64	From: Dora Buck	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: CQ as part of ICG Membership

Yes, you have. both estate sale and running a cc are in print in the cq.
Thank you

>From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@...>
>Reply-To: ICG-BOD@egroups.com
>To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] CQ as part of ICG Membership
>Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:11:30 -0500
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <callisto@...>
>To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 7:32 AM
>Subject: [ICG-BOD] CQ as part of ICG Membership
>
>
> > The 'no CQ' option would tie back in with the lack of communication
>issue.....
>
>Yup, exactly my point.
>
>
>
> >....and currently the CQ's 'News from Around the Guild' is sparse.
>
>I believe our Jeff Morris has at least sent something to fill the void on
>our behalf.
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 65	From: beckystember	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Dora,

Good summary for those of us who are arithmetically challenged. I also
would opt for category four, but I realize that there may be some backlash.
We will have to guarantee that our obligations are met, and I don't doubt
that Carl, Bruce and Nora will do so, to prevent any groundswell of unrest
as in the past.

Jess

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dora Buck" <dfbuck@...>
To: <icg-bod@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 6:54 AM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Membership & subscription Rates

> Dear all:
>
> I am confused!!! The membership and the subscriptions for the CQ and
Annual
> are all in discussion. When reading all of the posts I am not sure which
> one I am reading about or if it is all of them combined.
>
> ICG MEMBERSHIP
> 1. Is the CQ included in with the ICG membership?
> a) If no, then an increase in the membership to $5. is probably needed
> to offset the increase in living expenses (banking, advertisements, etc.)
> b) If yes, than an increase for both the membership and CQ to $20 ($5
> membership and $15 CQ)
>
> 2. Is the Annual to be part of the ICG Membership?
> a) If no, then same as 1.a) above.
> b) If yes, than an increase to cover the expenses for publishing the
> Annual and $5. for membership.
>
> Costumer's Quarterly
> 1. If the CQ is not part of the ICG membership (combined $20 yearly),
then
> a subscription rate from $8. to $15. is needed.
>
> Annual
> 1. If the Annual is not part of the ICG membership either combined with
the
> CQ or without, there needs to be another choice catagory. (sorry I do not
> have the prices (Bruce can you help here please))
>
> Okay, I think as I see it.
>
> ICG Membership alone - YES or NO
> ICG Membership with CQ - YES or NO
> ICG Membership with Annual - YES or NO
> ICG Membership with CQ and Annual - YES or NO
>
> Did I cover all of the bases? I think this is the first step that has to
be
> decided.
>
> Personally, I opt for the last catagory ICG with both.
>
> Dora Buck
> Recording Secretary
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 66	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

The ICG membership increase is still in discussion from raising it
form $1 to as high as $10. I'd favor no more than $5.

There is a motion to raise the subscription rate of the CQ to $15 a
year. This is based on simple math on how much it costs to print and
mail. I'd vote yes.

Make the CQ part of ICG membership. I'd like to wait until the 1999
issue is mailed to see the response among the ICG membership. If
subscription rates remain anemic or if entire chapters still boycott
it, I don't want to force more than half the ICG to receive it against
their will.

Make the Annual part of ICG membership. I wouldn't want to add this
onto everything else at this time. Dues for a Sick Pup could double.
Maybe a la carte membership for chapters that like keeping track of
all this-

A) choose Annual w/membership for $x (Basic)
B) choose CQ w/membership for $x+$10
C) both CQ and Annual for $x+$15

and give no choice whether they want nothing based on the thought 'Why
would a member of the ICG want to receive nothing for their
membership?' Currently a lot of members are opting for nothing,
however are these the same members that complain they get nothing?

Sharon
Giant Red-Headed Spaz

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dora Buck" <dfbuck@h...>
> To: <icg-bod@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 6:54 AM
> Subject: [ICG-BOD] Membership & subscription Rates
>
>
> > Dear all:
> >
> > I am confused!!! The membership and the subscriptions for the CQ

and

> Annual
> > are all in discussion. When reading all of the posts I am not

sure which

> > one I am reading about or if it is all of them combined.
> >
> > ICG MEMBERSHIP
> > 1. Is the CQ included in with the ICG membership?
> > a) If no, then an increase in the membership to $5. is

probably needed

> > to offset the increase in living expenses (banking,

advertisements, etc.)

> > b) If yes, than an increase for both the membership and CQ to

$20 ($5

> > membership and $15 CQ)
> >
> > 2. Is the Annual to be part of the ICG Membership?
> > a) If no, then same as 1.a) above.
> > b) If yes, than an increase to cover the expenses for

publishing the

> > Annual and $5. for membership.
> >
> > Costumer's Quarterly
> > 1. If the CQ is not part of the ICG membership (combined $20

yearly),

> then
> > a subscription rate from $8. to $15. is needed.
> >
> > Annual
> > 1. If the Annual is not part of the ICG membership either

combined with

> the
> > CQ or without, there needs to be another choice catagory. (sorry I

do not

> > have the prices (Bruce can you help here please))
> >
> > Okay, I think as I see it.
> >
> > ICG Membership alone - YES or NO
> > ICG Membership with CQ - YES or NO
> > ICG Membership with Annual - YES or NO
> > ICG Membership with CQ and Annual - YES or NO
> >
> > Did I cover all of the bases? I think this is the first step that

has to

> be
> > decided.
> >
> > Personally, I opt for the last catagory ICG with both.
> >
> > Dora Buck
> > Recording Secretary

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 67	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Member Info

Hey,

Reading some of my other email I came across a request to provide the
ICG member list for a 'member directory'. I don't see this as a good
idea considering privacy issues that might arise.

I have the list and am not going to respond to the taunt that I don't
except to say 'yeah, I read that' - well, I confess I'm halfway
through the CGW update - I give a head count to the BOD, I confirm
membership for some people, especially to chapters of their own
chapter, and I give a list of subscribers to Carl. Now and then, I'll
send a copy to Byron just so there's another copy of it somewhere.

So, should anyone wanting a copy of the ICG membership info, have to
go to the Board of Directors with a reason for needing it? I don't
recall an ICG Member Directory project being discussed, but I did have
to leave the room before the end of our Annual meeting.

The requester is a member of this list.

Sharon Trembley
ICG Treasurer

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 68	From: jester415@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Hello All-

In case there has been any confusion, the Greater Bay Area Costumer's Guild
(GBACG) has not seceeded from the ICG.

That being said, at our BoD meeting, October 22, we resolved the following:

1) We would support an increase of ICG dues to $3.00. We could support this
without having to increase our membership dues in the near future.

2) We would not support any motion to "bundle" ICG dues with CQ
subscriptions. This would cause an increase in our membership dues that we
are unwillingly to pass along to our members.

3) We would support whatever increase is decided for CQ subscriptions, but
from this point forward we feel that we must get out of the position of CQ
subscription collection. If they desire to subscribe to the CQ, they must
send their money directly to the ICG Treasurer.

4) We feel that the ICG is still an attractive and viable organization to
belong to and we will continue to support it. But, we believe that the time
has come for serious reflection on the events of the past month and the need
to remember what the ICG stands for; the furthering of the enjoyment of
costuming for all.

These are the basics. In conclusion, The BoD of the GBACG has but one mission
and that is to serve our members to the best of our ability. Over the past
few years, we have supported the ICG fully. We publish the President's
message in our newsletter and endeavor to publish ICG news when received and
contact information for any members who would be interested in submitting
articles to the CQ or the ICG Annual. Our treasurer is consistent with
submitting our membership information, ICG dues and CQ payments.

We have appreciated the more recent ICG BoD emails coming through that are
trying to cut to the chase on agenda items up for discussion. It is obvious
there are a lot of "hot buttons" being pushed in these discussions. No doubt
we are probably pushing some more with our decisions as stated above, but we
strongly feel a sense of duty to our membership and feel we have to protect
their interests, which we serve. We hope that decisions are made that all
the guilds can feel comfortable with.

Robert "Tony" Lunn
GBACG President
GBACG Board of Directors

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 69	From: Ken Warren	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Bruce wrote:

> 1. ICG dues raised = $5
> 2. ICG w/CQ = $20
> 3. ICG w/Annual = $10
> 4. ICG w/ CQ & Annual = $25

The only motion on the e-table at the moment that I can find is the one to
raise the North American subscription rate for the CQ to $15 per annum,
effective the 6th of January 2001. I can't find seconded motions (or motions
at all, in some cases) for the others.

There is a motion on the table from Bruce that we increase the annual dues
of the ICG to $10, and include the Annual as a benefit of membership, but
there is no second for that motion.

Ken Warren

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 70	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Ken Warren" <kenw@v...> wrote:

> Bruce wrote:
>
> > 1. ICG dues raised = $5
> > 2. ICG w/CQ = $20
> > 3. ICG w/Annual = $10
> > 4. ICG w/ CQ & Annual = $25
>
> The only motion on the e-table at the moment that I can find is the

one to

> raise the North American subscription rate for the CQ to $15 per

annum,

> effective the 6th of January 2001. I can't find seconded motions (or

motions

> at all, in some cases) for the others.
>
> There is a motion on the table from Bruce that we increase the

annual dues

> of the ICG to $10, and include the Annual as a benefit of

membership, but

> there is no second for that motion.
>
> Ken Warren

Ken and all,

I concur. Shall a time table be set for the motion to raise the CQ
subscription rate? I would favor a regular mailed vote to all
chapters. Response can optionally be electronic or mail as the
chapter chooses.

I am willing to concur with my esteemed colleagues from the Greater
Bay Area that an increase to $3 for annual ICG dues is a reasonable
move at this point. The reason the ICG coffers were drained was the
large liability of the outstanding CQ issues. With the increase in
subscription rate, the two should remain separate issues because the
CQ should be self-sufficient. The increase would be needed to cover
the ICG's current operating expenses and to entertain other projects
to increase communication - that is the main member issue (or
complaint) here?

That was not a motion, just a suggestion to narrow discussion to the
dollar figure, or someone saying it does not need to be increased at
all.

I think the ICG due increase needs to be discussed before bundling the
cost of the CQ and Annual to all members.

Sharon Trembley
Total Spaz

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 71	From: jester415@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

The GBACG seconds Sharon's motion.

Robert "Tony" Lunn
GBACG President

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 72	From: Dora Buck	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: CQ publications

To all subscribers:

the first quarter of 2000 were mailed out to all individuals. None were
sent out to any of the chapters. They were not on my mailing list. Byron
informed me that each chapter should receive a copy. The 1st issue for the
chapters were mailed with the second issue but I ran out of second issues
for some and had to reprint extras. The chapters were among the reprinting.
These are now labeled and sitting in our garage with the 1999 issue. Also
there are the 1999 chapter issues.

So to recap. Individuals got the first and second issue of 2000.
Chapters got first issue of 2000.

In garage are the 1999 for everyone and the second issue for the chapters.

Sorry for all the confusion. It was my mistake.

Dora

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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 73	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Motions

Discussion on the motions showing up on the list(s) will be held at the
Australian AGM on Sunday. No vote or suggestions for ammendment would be
fair before then.

-C.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 74	From: Devinedwk@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Raising membership dues

Before you can make the CQ a benefit of membership in the ICG, it will have
to prove itself by continuing to be published on a reliable schedule. It's
going to take several more issues before people come round. Ultimately, if
it is a benefit of the ICG membership, membership rates would have to be
raised in order to cover the costs at that time. For now, it's important for
the ICG to promote the CQ regarding subscription sales directly at the
chapter level. This has to come from the editor of the CQ and it wouldn't
hurt to have some promotional materials sent to all the chapters. I've been
pushing it out here, but between Carl and me, I feel like just a couple of
small voices. An ICG presidential message promoting the CQ would be great.
Very upbeat - very sales pitch.

Darla

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 75	From: Devinedwk@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Thank you Nora (and Dora). Finally, something I can read through quickly and
understand quickly. These figures I can agree with!

Darla

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 76	From: Devinedwk@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

There is a privacy clause in the CGW's bylaws regarding the membership list.
We do not provide our list to anyone but the BOD and the ICG BOD under any
circumstances. If the ICG were to provide a list which included the CGW's
member list, there would be serious screaming from us (us being the BOD of
the CGW).

Darla

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 77	From: Ken Warren	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

"Tony" Lunn wrote:

> The GBACG seconds Sharon's motion.

What motion? Sharon didn't make one, unless you're speaking of the motion to
raise the rates for the CQ, which has already been made and seconded. Sharon
was just observing that it exists.

Ken Warren

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 78	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

--- In ICG-BOD@egroups.com, "Ken Warren" <kenw@v...> wrote:

> "Tony" Lunn wrote:
>
> > The GBACG seconds Sharon's motion.
>
> What motion? Sharon didn't make one, unless you're speaking of the

motion to

> raise the rates for the CQ, which has already been made and

seconded. Sharon

> was just observing that it exists.
>
> Ken Warren

As one large chapter, Australia, has mentioned it has a meeting this
weekend, I am in favor of making the ICG dues motion by Friday so
they can discuss it.

The US CQ subscription rate is inconsequential to them, but the
overseas CQ issue will surely be a topic.

Is there to be any discussion against the GBACG's suggestion of $3
per ICG member? The figure was initially $10, I commented no more
than $5, and Dora suggested $5.

My thoughts in favor of $3:

Since my position locally is termed 'Dictator for Life', I'd risk
losing it if the Sick Pups found out I was voting for major dues'
increases.

The ICG needs more revenue to cover its general operating expenses.

No plans have been made on how to spend an excess of funds. Members
have requested increased communications and there's an archive
project in the works. The project leads need to communicate with the
Board of Directors and/or the Budget Committee on what their plan is
and give a projected cost.

Sharon Trembley

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 79	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Nifty

Ooooh, look what John O'Halloran showed me how to do - go to the
files section of http://www.egroups.com/post/ICG-BOD

I uploaded all my documents from CC18 - income statements, budgets et
al. - and you can read them without having Excel or Word with your
browser.

Then I added an up-to-date financial thing as of 10-21-2000 compared
to the 2000 budget that got approved back on 5-29-2000 so I don't
have to format text for your reading displeasure.

The membership numbers on the last tab are a little dicey at the
moment since I'm in discussion with a few chapters about things.

Sharon Trembley
ICG Treasurer

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 80	From: Ken Warren	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

> As one large chapter, Australia, has mentioned it has a meeting this
> weekend, I am in favor of making the ICG dues motion by Friday so
> they can discuss it.

Yes, good point.

So:

I move that the International Costumer's Guild raise it's basic membership
rate from $1.00 per annum to $4.00 per annum, effective January 6 2001.

(Note that I'm splitting the difference. I see good reasons for both a lower
and a higher rate.)

If we can get a second to this, then the Australians can discuss it.

> Since my position locally is termed 'Dictator for Life', I'd risk
> losing it if the Sick Pups found out I was voting for major dues'
> increases.

And we know how a "Dictator for Life" is likely to lose that position, don't
we?

As the Queen of Hearts said in Alice In Wonderland:

"Off with her head!"

Ken Warren
Vice President, ICG

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 81	From: Dora Buck	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

I second that motion.

>From: "Ken Warren" <kenw@...>
>Reply-To: ICG-BOD@egroups.com
>To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [ICG-BOD] Re: Membership & subscription Rates
>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:50:21 -0400
>
> > As one large chapter, Australia, has mentioned it has a meeting this
> > weekend, I am in favor of making the ICG dues motion by Friday so
> > they can discuss it.
>
>Yes, good point.
>
>So:
>
>I move that the International Costumer's Guild raise it's basic membership
>rate from $1.00 per annum to $4.00 per annum, effective January 6 2001.
>
>(Note that I'm splitting the difference. I see good reasons for both a
>lower
>and a higher rate.)
>
>If we can get a second to this, then the Australians can discuss it.
>
> > Since my position locally is termed 'Dictator for Life', I'd risk
> > losing it if the Sick Pups found out I was voting for major dues'
> > increases.
>
>And we know how a "Dictator for Life" is likely to lose that position,
>don't
>we?
>
>As the Queen of Hearts said in Alice In Wonderland:
>
>"Off with her head!"
>
>Ken Warren
>Vice President, ICG
>

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 82	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: CQ Subscription Rate

I don't know whether Pierre has ruled on Ken's question but, if he
has not done so, Sharon's suggestion does meet my definition of a
"friendly amendment." On the other hand, if Pierre has ruled, I
yield to him.

Byron

>>> kenw@... 10/21/00 09:06PM >>>
> Friendly Suggestion regarding wording:
>
> Increase the subscription rate of the Costumer Quarterly to $15/year
> effective Jan. 6th 2001.

I would accept that as a friendly amendment to my motion, assuming it meets
the requirements.

Ken

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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 83	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: I Will Finish Out My Term

I will complete my term as President.

I've just been reading a lot of good and productive discussion
over the weekend by both the Board and the membership. We
have to keep up that level of engagement, especially by the
Board. When I've had a chance to digest the ideas in those
messages, I'll get back to you -- tomorrow, I hope.

Thanks for being productive. I'm gratified.

Byron

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 84	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Motions

C --

Thanks for the advice. We'll hold on all votes till we hear from you.

Byron

>>> stilskin@... 10/23/00 10:34PM >>>

Discussion on the motions showing up on the list(s) will be held at the
Australian AGM on Sunday. No vote or suggestions for ammendment would be
fair before then.

-C.

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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 85	From: jester415@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

Fine.

Robert Lunn
GBACG President

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 86	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Stuff for the CQ

Ummmm, as far as I know, the Running a CQ was supposed to be for the
Archives, not >necessarily < for the CQ, since it is a work in progress.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dora Buck" <dfbuck@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] CQ as part of ICG Membership

> Yes, you have. both estate sale and running a cc are in print in the cq.
> Thank you
>
>
> >From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@...>
> >Reply-To: ICG-BOD@egroups.com
> >To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] CQ as part of ICG Membership
> >Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:11:30 -0500
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <callisto@...>
> >To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 7:32 AM
> >Subject: [ICG-BOD] CQ as part of ICG Membership
> >
> >
> > > The 'no CQ' option would tie back in with the lack of communication
> >issue.....
> >
> >Yup, exactly my point.
> >
> >
> >
> > >....and currently the CQ's 'News from Around the Guild' is sparse.
> >
> >I believe our Jeff Morris has at least sent something to fill the void on
> >our behalf.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 87	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

----- Original Message -----
From: <callisto@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 4:19 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Member Info

> Hey,
>
> Reading some of my other email I came across a request to provide the
> ICG member list for a 'member directory'. I don't see this as a good
> idea considering privacy issues that might arise.
>

I jsut recall there was something that had the names -- no addresses, but
names, and their specialties, or something. Anyone who wanted to contact
them had to go through the ICG, who would act as agent. Just trying to
remember.....

Bruce

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 88	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Membership & subscription Rates

> Bruce wrote:
>
> > 1. ICG dues raised = $5
> > 2. ICG w/CQ = $20
> > 3. ICG w/Annual = $10
> > 4. ICG w/ CQ & Annual = $25

No. Nora said that. Please note the end of the message. She is often
overlooked and things are attributed to me.

>There is a motion on the table from Bruce that we increase the annual dues
>of the ICG to $10, and include the Annual as a benefit of membership, but
>there is no second for that motion.

Just a quick note, not that it makes much of a difference. My original
intention for the $10 proposal was to cover both the Annual and the CQ. I
have no objections to a lower increase for membership if the CQ is going to
get its own rate hike. $4 seems like a strange number, though.

Glad you're staying, Byron.

Bruce

Ken Warren

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 89	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

A long time ago, __ _ ______ ___ ____, there was an ICG
"Membership Directory." I still have a copy. As I recall, it did not
include contact information, just name, chapter and "specialties."
I believe it was the result of a special survey conducted in
conjunction with annual membership updating.

I never used it. Did anyone do so?

I agree with Bruce and Darla that publishing contact information
would be highly inappropriate.

Byron

>>> casamai@... 10/24/00 11:28PM >>>

----- Original Message -----
From: <callisto@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 4:19 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Member Info

> Hey,
>
> Reading some of my other email I came across a request to provide the
> ICG member list for a 'member directory'. I don't see this as a good
> idea considering privacy issues that might arise.
>

I jsut recall there was something that had the names -- no addresses, but
names, and their specialties, or something. Anyone who wanted to contact
them had to go through the ICG, who would act as agent. Just trying to
remember.....

Bruce

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 90	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

In an effort to end this discussion since we've only had three like
opinions voiced -

1) A Member Directory is not an ongoing or current ICG project.
2) Members of the Board, besides myself, feel it would be
inappropriate to publish members' contact information without their
individual permission.
3) If someone feels a need for a Member Directory, it should be
presented as a proposed project at the ICG Annual meeting. It would
be appropriate to submit the intention beforehand in order to have it
listed as an agenda item in case time grows short at CC19.
4) The idea of a Member Directory may be discussed with other ICG
members to soundboard others' opinions, but at this time, the
membership data shall not be provided nor is it an approved or
budgeted project.

Maybe I'm closing discussion on this by the Board a bit prematurely,
but I feel other things need our scrutiny at the moment rather than
rushing a project like this out the back door.

I had two goals with my inquiry. First, I wanted to ascertain it was
not mentioned and approved while I was out of the room during the
past Annual Meeting, and secondly, I wanted to clarify if the
information would normally be distributed.

Sharon Trembley
ICG Treasurer

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 91	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

I agree with Sharon. If there is no further comment, there being no
motion on the floor regarding a membership directory, discussion of
this topic is closed until we get to new business.

Byron

>>> callisto@... 10/25/00 02:20PM >>>

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 92	From: Bruce & Nora Mai	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Member Info

I think I only mentioned this as a way of ading value to the ICG membership.
I wasn't real serious about it, anyway.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----
From: <callisto@...>
To: <ICG-BOD@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:20 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Re: Member Info

> In an effort to end this discussion since we've only had three like
> opinions voiced -
>
> 1) A Member Directory is not an ongoing or current ICG project.
> 2) Members of the Board, besides myself, feel it would be
> inappropriate to publish members' contact information without their
> individual permission.
> 3) If someone feels a need for a Member Directory, it should be
> presented as a proposed project at the ICG Annual meeting. It would
> be appropriate to submit the intention beforehand in order to have it
> listed as an agenda item in case time grows short at CC19.
> 4) The idea of a Member Directory may be discussed with other ICG
> members to soundboard others' opinions, but at this time, the
> membership data shall not be provided nor is it an approved or
> budgeted project.
>
> Maybe I'm closing discussion on this by the Board a bit prematurely,
> but I feel other things need our scrutiny at the moment rather than
> rushing a project like this out the back door.
>
> I had two goals with my inquiry. First, I wanted to ascertain it was
> not mentioned and approved while I was out of the room during the
> past Annual Meeting, and secondly, I wanted to clarify if the
> information would normally be distributed.
>
> Sharon Trembley
> ICG Treasurer
>
>
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 93	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Motions

> Thanks for the advice. We'll hold on all votes till we hear from you.
>
> Byron

Thank you, I will post any decisions and anything that comes of discussion
when I am home from the meeting.

-C.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 94	From: Devinedwk@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: I Will Finish Out My Term

I am not only VERY relieved to read this, but very glad! Thank you Byron.

Darla

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 95	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Australian AGM

Today, Sunday 29 October, the Australian Costumers' Guild held it's Annual
General Meeting in Melbourne.

The short of it is, I am free seeing I did not re-stand as president in
order to concentrate on CC20.

As well as normal local guild-running issues, we also discussed at length
the issues recently raised regarding ICG fees and structure and the
Costumers' Quarterly.

The ICG and CQ discussions brought about a number of questions, discussion
points and suggestions. These will be distilled and posted to the BOD list
in the next 24 hours.

The board of directors of the Australian Costumers' Guild for 2000-2001 is:

Wendy Purcell, president
David Scanlon, treasurer
Charlie Sweeney, web site & related areas
Jo Toohey, membership services
Jane Tisell
Christopher Ballis, Costume-Con 20 chair
Kathrine Ashton, three month appointment for handover of membership
portfolio

The non-board position of newsletter editor remains with Gail Adams.

-C (rhymes with free).

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 96	From: Christopher Ballis	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: ICG items at Australian AGM

Dear all,

As you know, the annual general meeting of the Australian Costumers' Guild
took place in Melbourne on Sunday, 29 October, 2000.

The International Costumers' Guild and Costumers' Quarterly issues
discussed on the lists recently were discussed at length - in fact, they
took up the largest part of the meeting. A number of questions, suggestions
and proto-motions were put to be referred to the BOD list.

Some of these points may have been covered on the lists over the last few
days but, rather than trawling through the recent batch of E-mails, I will
put all points raised at the meeting.

To make it easy on those whose eyes are glazing after the weeks of postings
to the lists, a summary of these points will be at the tail end of this
E-mail.

QUESTIONS

How did the ICG manage to get so far into the red?

If the CQ problems contributed to the financial problems, how did it seeing
for the most part CQ is pre-paid.

Why is the ICG so poor in responding to requests for receipts an in passing
along information?

What are the actual expenses that the ICG faces, what is the proposed
budget that justifies any rise in membership cost?

What is the function of the ICG?

This last question is one already raised but not sufficiently answered. So,
just what is it that the ICG does? Remove the Costumers' Quarterly and the
electronic list (an item that is relatively new in the history of the ICG)
and what is left?

Before daring to ask for any increase in fees, the ICG must explain exactly
what its function is, what its goals are, what its functions and goals have
been in the past, and how well those functions and goals have been achieved
in the past.

If these points are not answered, we are asking members and chapters to
subscribe to a telephone directory.

ITEMS PRESENTLY UNDER DISCUSSION

Members without Chapters:
We feel that the various concepts for non-chapter members undermine the
system, to use a cliché. But a valuable cliché it is at this time. If the
ICG is striving for betterment and, especially, for unity, floating members
will make things harder.

We also feel that a member without a chapter is less empowered. Presumably,
a chapter and its directorship is a group that can press for better, fairer
or more urgent treatment by the central body. A member outside of this
system really will become a voice in the wilderness (another cliché, but
hell, I have been at a meeting, remember).

In short, if the ICG is a way of unifying costuming chapters (and if this
is not so, why is so much emphasis on chapters), individual members go
against the grain.

It is far better to be able to direct individuals to their nearest chapter
or maintain a list of chapter interests - chapters that are big on
Klingons, for example, or chapters that have a stronger historical bent, or
those that are more generalist to best unite newcomers with their
interests.

E-chapter:
Our opinion of an E-chapter is very similar to the above, that it can serve
little purpose that is not already served. John's lists already create a
forum for all members who have 'net access to discuss techniques, advertise
events and cover management needs.

Until someone invents workable transporter beams or replicators, what is
the point?

Other web resources already cater to the needs an E-chapter might
realistically tackle, ranging from research tools to an online masquerade.

Do we need to add to this noise?

Adding an E-chapter is just adding one more layer of administration to an
organisation that has had difficulty in administering its current
commitments.

FEES or DUES

The ACG has no objection to an increase in membership subscription
providing the need for an increase can be proven with more than statements
such as, "the fee scale is now outdated". This relates to points raised in
the QUESTIONS above.

The AGC will not support any move to incorporate the CQ fee into the ICG
membership fee.

Before setting any increase amount, apart from researching exactly what the
costs are, we must also take into account currency exchanges. At this time,
the Australian dollar like most other currencies is fairing badly against
international money markets. The reasons are varied and do not warrant
discussion here but it must be said that to pay a dollar of US currency
will cost more than two dollars in Australian, Canadian or European
dollars.

Given that ICG services are, apparently, US-centric, a lower increase is
suggested for non-US chapters. A subscription of US$2 per member per year
is suggested.

Given that chapter sizes within the guild vary, it could very well be that
larger chapters are subsidising the smaller ones. Without wanting to seem
to be beating up on newer or smaller chapters, a cap on total dues that can
be paid by a chapter is suggested, figures of US$100 or US$150 are
suggested.

It is not enough to accept that inflation has caught up with us and
increases are required. We must undertake a vicious tightening of the belt.

COSTUMERS' QUARTERLY

As stated above, the AGC will not support any move to incorporate the CQ
fee into the ICG membership fee.

Distribution:
We support the notion of local distribution being made available to reduce
the costs to both the members and the ICG.

This system is based upon the one previously agreed to, that is, a master
be sent either by snail mail or electronically to be printed and
distributed at this end; a fee will be paid to the CQ budget to cover the
publishing costs and production of the master and miscellaneous expenses
incurred by the editors (the amount agreed to previously was US$1 per
member per year, bearing in mind that the ICG will not have the printing
and postage costs).

Suggestion:
As suggested to the list last week, the right of a chapter to subscribe to
the CQ should be tied to contributions, a set number of contributions per
chapter per year must be made, these can be tied to chapter numbers.

Question:
Did the CQ contribute to the financial difficulties the ICG has faced
recently? If so and if the CQ has been running behind schedule, why has
this been so?

SUMMARY

We will support the lowest possible increase to ICG membership dues but
this increase must be justified with a budget before any decision is made,
and we ask that money market and chapter sizes be taken into consideration.

We do not support the incorporation of ICG and CQ fees.

We suggest a cap be put on the total amount a chapter pays for ICG
membership

We request a decentralised CQ distribution option.

We suggest regular contribution to the CQ be part of the subscription
arrangement.

We do not support the formation of an E-chapter.

We do not support the notion of members without a chapter.

FINAL COMMENT

The ICG is not in crisis as some postings to the list have said recently,
it is merely in confusion. This confusion is the result of a lack of
information. A useful mission statement and a realistic budget need to be
produced.

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 97	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Local and National dues

Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but why would anyone want to join
the ICG without being a member of a chapter? There are no
privileges of membership. We don't provide any additional
services. You don't need to be a member to join ICG-D. You
don't need to be an ICG member to subscribe to the Quarterly.
You don't need to be a member to join Costume-Con or to
participate in any costume event -- none of which the ICG
controls. There are no special awards limited to members -- even
the Lifetime Achievement Award.

Why join?

I agree that the present system is broken, but I'll be more
supportive of proposals to switch to a central membership system
when someone can give a convincing answer to that question.

Byron

>>> JaniceDals@... 10/29/00 01:13AM >>>

My husbaand and I belong to two other groups which have a national
organization and local chapters (USITT and FMCA). It is not necessary
to be a Chapter member to belong to the National organization, but you
must be a National member to join a local Chapter. Dues are paid to
National first, then each Chapter sets its own rate, depending on its
activities' costs. Seems to work out well for them.
Janice Dallas

--------------------->

> I think sending membership dues and CQ or Annual subscriptions directly to
> ICG is a good idea in the long run; but local groups having to wait for their
> share to come back is not so good. I'd rather write two separate checks,
> one for ICG/CQ/Annual and the other for local membership/newsletter.
>
> This is more work for the ICG treasurer, but less for the local. One less
> level of money-handling is probably better for the individidual member.
>
> Randall
> SWCG

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 98	From: callisto@netlabs.net	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: ICG items at Australian AGM

Chris,

I've taken the Australian suggestions and added them to the outline I
put on the ICG-D list Saturday and uploaded the revision to the BOD e-
groups page (http://www.egroups.com/group/ICG-BOD) in a different
folder then the ICG financial documents.

Saturday's outline has not yet caused any comment on the ICG-D list.
I hope it's not because some are thinking the outline is some sort of
ICG plan. Some categories just list contradicting choices.

I'm just trying to track the suggestions so someone's brilliance is
not lost in a passing email :^) If they start talking about it, I'll
make a new revision.

I've noted the two current motions on the outline since they are
perceived as solutions to those particular areas where change is
wanted by at least the motioners and seconders.

Other solutions will have to be more complex because they will
require more than just throwing money at the problem.

Sharon
ICG Treasurer

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 99	From: Byron Connell	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Chapters to be Added to ICG-BOD

John --

I have reviewed the list of persons subscribed to ICG-BOD.
Several chapters that ought to be represented on the ICG Board
of Directors, in order to participate in deliberations and votes, are
missing:

Beyond Reality Costumers' Guild
Kate McClure
stitchwitch@...

The Greater Sacramento Area Costumers' Guild
Diana Habra
madly@...

Millennium Costumers
Mike Bruno
plastic@...

Northern Lights Costumers' Guild
Dina Flockhart
cloak@...

Utah Costumers' Guild
David Doering
Utahguild@...

Please invite them to join so that these chapters are represented.
I have copied all of them on this message.

Also unrepresented at this time are South Bay Costumers' Guild
and Costume Guild UK. However, at present, neither have any
ICG members. On the other hand, since they're not represented
on ICG-BOD, they might not know this.

Finally, please remove Brenna Sharp, raven@..., from ICG
-BOD. Since the Greater Portland Area Costumers' Guild is no
longer a member of the ICG, she ought not to be privy to our
deliberations.

I hope that you can do these ASAP.

Thanks,

Byron

Group: ICG-BOD	Message: 100	From: Carol Mitchell	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: CCG reactions to current suggestions

First, the CQ should not be incorporated into
membership. If this step is taken, we will be forced
to institute a two-tier membership. In all likelihood
only our officers would remain members of the ICG.If
we were forced to more than double our membership
fees, we would lose half our members, which we can't
afford, especially with a CostumeCon coming up. We
would support one mandatory CQ subscription per
chapter, at a price that would cover costs.
A small increase in dues is a good idea. Given today's
costs, it probably costs more than $1 to process the
$1 fee.
The D list is an electronic chapter. Why should
another one be needed?
When our chapter secretary contacted Carl about
contributions, she was told that he had a submission
from our chapter. I sent him a paragraph telling him
what our members were doing and invited him to
subscribe to our newsletter, with the intention that
if anything looked worth reprinting, he could contact
us for a release. We could probably do a couple of
articles, but as that paragraph pointed out, this is a
busy group. In the last CQ I received, the CCG page
was blank.
Thanks for reprinting the address for updates. Last
May when we found out our member numbers were
drastically undercounted, it was because the treasurer
had no idea where to send the money. She asked for an
address while at CostumeCon and didn't receive it for
quite awhile.
It looks like things have calmed down. I'm very glad
Byron is staying, and I thank Carl and Dora for their
hard work.
Carol Mitchell

=====
Carol Mitchell President Chicagoland Costumer's Guild
Manager Costume Programming Track Chicon 2000
Co-chair CostumeCon 21

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