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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14655 From: Vicky Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Slack updates for 11/7-11/8 2019
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14656 From: Pierre and Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Parliamentarian Message
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14657 From: dandyhank Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Parliamentarian Message
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14658 From: Pierre and Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Procedures for Making Motions
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14659 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Procedures for Making Motions
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14660 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14661 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: From the Acting President
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14662 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: From the Acting President
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14663 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14664 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Voting has begun in Slack
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14665 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Voting has begun in Slack
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14666 From: Lady Ozma Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Voting has begun in Slack
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14667 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14668 From: Lady Ozma Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14669 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: Voting has begun in Slack
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14670 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14671 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Motion 11-9-2019-1: Apologies to chapters, et al
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14672 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: After review
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14673 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: Motion 11-6-2019-1a
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14674 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: On current motions on the floor
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14675 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: On current motions on the floor
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14676 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: 5 year plan/surveys request for input
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14677 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: On current motions on the floor
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14678 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: On current motions on the floor
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14679 From: Vicky Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Anime Boston request
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14680 From: Vicky Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Slack updates 11/9/2019
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14681 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: On current motions on the floor
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14682 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/10/2019
Subject: Reminder to vote
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14683 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/10/2019
Subject: Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14684 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/10/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14685 From: Byron P Connell Date: 11/11/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14686 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/11/2019
Subject: Maryland Non-Profits (was Re: On current motions on the floor)
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14687 From: lordteth@icloud.com Date: 11/11/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14688 From: Vicky Date: 11/11/2019
Subject: Slack Updates 11/11/2019
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14689 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/11/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14690 From: Vicky Date: 11/12/2019
Subject: Slack updates 11/12/2019
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14691 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/13/2019
Subject: Notice of Intent to Add Expenditure to 2019 budget from the Acting P
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14692 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/13/2019
Subject: Re: Notice of Intent to Add Expenditure to 2019 budget from the Acti
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14693 From: Anne Davenport Date: 11/13/2019
Subject: Re: On current motions on the floor
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14694 From: Anne Davenport Date: 11/13/2019
Subject: Re: Anime Boston request
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14695 From: Anne Davenport Date: 11/13/2019
Subject: Re: Motion 11-6-2019-1a
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14696 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Anime Boston request
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14697 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Motion 11-6-2019-1a
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14698 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Motion to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14699 From: rookwoods Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: withdrawal of amendment
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14700 From: Jeanine Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Motion to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14701 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Motion to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14702 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: withdrawal of amendment
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14703 From: Merrily Wolf Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Motion to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14704 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Motion to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1



Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14655 From: Vicky Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Slack updates for 11/7-11/8 2019

Good morning all,

Here are some updates from Slack from yesterday evening/this morning.

As usual, you may make comments in Slack or the Yahoo group and I will ensure they are cross posted accordingly.

 

Thank you,

Vicky Assarattanakul

 

 

merarose: Yesterday at 4:52 PM

Please keep all discussion in the motion threads for each of navigation.

Also sent to the channel

 

Jacalyn Boggs  16 hours ago

I have pinned the threads so people can easily find them.

 

Betsy R. Marks 8:55 PM

On request from several members of my chapter, I submit the following motion:

"Recognizing the need for a Code of Conduct, anti-harassment, and anti discrimination policies, and also the need to involve the greater membership in the legal and fiscal issues involved therein, I move that the ICG Board direct the ICG Treasurer to solicit no fewer than three (3) quotes (including expected retainers for the work) from lawyers licensed to practice in the state of Maryland, to draft language applicable to an international organization, that will then be added to our Standing Rules. The deadline for quotes shall be December 31, 2019.  All quotes for services rendered and required retainers shall be presented to the board and the membership for discussion on January 1st 2020 and voted on by the ICG membership at the general meeting in Montreal, March 2020."

Betsy R. Marks

President, SiW

ICG Board Representative

 

merarose  12 hours ago

There is a motion is already on the floor addressing this issue.  This motion is denied.

 

Betsy R. Marks 9:09 PM

Point of order: Please show where in Standing Rule 17 the language exists that allows the ICG President to reject a motion.

 

merarose  11 hours ago

The language exists in Roberts Rules and is not modified by the standing rules.

Good night Betsy.

 

Pierre Pettinger  11 hours ago

To be clear, in this case the issue is identical subjects. Except in this type of case, the concept of a chair refusing a motion is very sketchy. Two motions on the same subject can't be considered at the same time.

 

Betsy R. Marks Yesterday at 9:14 PM

@Pierre Pettinger, would you please resolve this question as it is the second time since I joined this Board that a motion has been summarily rejected by an ICG president.

 

merarose  11 hours ago

@Pierre Pettinger - this is a motion based on an existing motion and must be presented as a motion to amend per Roberts rules found here:

https://www.afsc.noaa.gov/Education/Activities/PDFs/SBSS_Lesson6_roberts_rules_of_order.pdf

If I’m not mistaken?

Everyone have a good evening.  I’m heading to bed.

 

Pierre Pettinger  11 hours ago

Mera is correct on this. The two motions have the same subject. Betsy's motion can be re-worded as an amendment and would be in order. It can be worded as simple insertion or as a motion by substitution replacing her language for the first one.

 

Betsy R. Marks  11 hours ago

Thank you, Pierre. A reworded amendment will be delivered in the morning, per instructions from the acting President.

 

merarose 9:34 PM

As a quick side note:  notifications do come to my phone, so even when I’m sleeping or handing other business including family medical emergencies, I do receive notifications.  If I’m unable to respond for ANY reason, I have given Vicky Assarantakul, Sarah Richardson, and Jacalyn Boggs authority to immediately place the board on COMMENT MODERATION per Phil Gust’s (tech committee chairman) recommendation; ensuring that all comments, motions, etc, are held until such time as those who would need to be present can respond.  This should ensure that all issues that could arise are handled calmly and civilly and avoid the issues of the immediate past.

Additionally, Phil Gust also shares that authority.

 

Judy Mitchell 9:38 PM

Yes, it does cover much the same concept. But it is written in a much cleaner manner and specifies more important information that the original does not have (the possibility that a retainer may be needed, WHO is supposed to get the quotes - the Treasurer, Where do we find a lawyer - one that is based in MD where we are incorporated, not ... any international lawyer, that could be... Timbuktu!, and it includes a better time frame that gives us a chance to actually deal with it and present it to the membership (as I have felt very strongly about since the beginning). Yes, we need these created, as Kevin said: we should not rush headlong into things. While I personally don't see that a lawyer is needed to create any of these, at least this is much cleaner written for a vote. It should be accepted as a motion to amend. Weren't we earlier discussing the re-wording??

 

merarose 11 hours ago

If it’s made and seconded as a motion to amend, then it would be appropriate.  It was made as a separate motion, and as such is out of order.

That said, I bid you good night Judy.  I’m sure others on this board can explain at this point why I have been awake for over 48 hours (if you need that explanation) and am now placing the board on a request to please end this debate until after 9am tomorrow morning.

 

merarose 9:38 PM

And to all of you, I bid good night.  Please sleep well and think calmly on what you may wish to present and leave it until the morning after an appropriate amount of rest.  Nothing is so pressing that it cannot wait for at least 8 hours.

 

Jacalyn Boggs 9:50 PM

Everyone, if is 10:45 at night on the east coast. The acting president has tried to end conversations multiple times.

At this point please honor this and do not bring anything to the board until after 9 AM Eastern.

She will not be returning to this forum the rest of the evening and I will absolutely point of order anyone who continues to attempt to continue this.

 

Jacalyn Boggs 8:00 AM

replied to a thread:

The existing motion 11-6-2019-1 has been motioned for amendment by Judy Mitchell and rewritten by the motioner, Jacalyn Boggs.  The motion is amended as:…

I amend my motion to: I move that the ICG finance committee solicit three quotes to hire a lawyer, with non-profit and international law experience and licensed in the state of Maryland to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination policy c. An anti-harassment policy.  The quotes must be received and the least expensive will be chosen by November 30, 2019, with the drafted policies to be received from the attorney no later than December 31, 2019 so that a vote can be completed by January 31, 2020.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14656 From: Pierre and Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Parliamentarian Message

I have been in discussions with Mera and she approves this Parliamentarian message. As Parliamentarian I am asking everyone to suspend any further discussion on any motion on the floor or make any new motions. There has been misunderstandings regarding proper procedures. Later today I will post some information so that everyone understands how motions and amendments are handled.


In addition, later today Mera will be posting some additional messages and information regarding current issues. Please read all of her posts completely before commenting.

The suspension of discussion should last 24 hours. Let us say noon, November 9th, Eastern time. (Yes I know that's only 23 hours, but its a nice round number.)

Pierre E. Pettinger, Jr.
Parliamentarian

-- 
Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why, they are simple doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14657 From: dandyhank Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Parliamentarian Message
Can I add "Please retitle your message to indicate what your e-mail is about?"

Henry
ACG



-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre and Sandy Pettinger costumrs@radiks.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
To: ICG-BOD <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 8, 2019 12:08 pm
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Parliamentarian Message

 
I have been in discussions with Mera and she approves this Parliamentarian message. As Parliamentarian I am asking everyone to suspend any further discussion on any motion on the floor or make any new motions. There has been misunderstandings regarding proper procedures. Later today I will post some information so that everyone understands how motions and amendments are handled.

In addition, later today Mera will be posting some additional messages and information regarding current issues. Please read all of her posts completely before commenting.
The suspension of discussion should last 24 hours. Let us say noon, November 9th, Eastern time. (Yes I know that's only 23 hours, but its a nice round number.)

Pierre E. Pettinger, Jr.
Parliamentarian

-- 
Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why, they are simple doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14658 From: Pierre and Sandy Pettinger Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Procedures for Making Motions

I would like to review the process of motions and amendments so the process is clear. If we don’t follow the proper process and keep our discussions civil, we will continue the current pattern of acrimony.

These procedures are largely the same for the physical and the on-line meeting. We have made some adjustments for our on-line meeting for logistical reasons.  

The primary tool for an organizations meeting is the motion. A motion can be used to propose or adjust a standing rule, direct the organization to create a committee or close a committee, disburse funds for a specific reason, gather quotes, and so forth.

The first thing I am going to cover is the correct way to make a motion.  In the general, physical meeting any member can make a motion. In the BOD meeting only the BOD members can make motions. For limited purposes subsidiary individuals such as the Parliamentarian, Group Letter Coordinator and such can also make motion, though they cannot vote.

A member should always use the phrase “I move” and then add the substance of the motion. The motion should be precise in its language and what it wants to do. For example (I’m pulling things out of the air here):

“I move that we use the same names for the colors of the first season Star Trek: The Next Generation uniforms” would be imprecise. Instead you would say

“I move we create Standing Rule XX which will state “The International Costumers’ Guild recognizes the following colors of the Federation uniforms in the first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation; the command uniforms will be referred to as scarlet, the operations  uniforms will be referred to as ocher and the sciences uniforms will be referred to as sapphire.”

This is the main motion. At this point someone must second the motion. The chair should call for a second if one is not made before the chair can so call. If no one seconds then the motion fails. (Notation for future action; we currently do not have a time limit for a second in our on-line meeting procedures.)

If a second is made, the motion moves to debate. For the on-line meeting the chair will assign a motion number. Our Standing Rules do not define how that number is to be created, but in general we have been using the form MM-DD-YYY-# where MM is the month the motion is made, DD is the day and YYYY is the year. # is a number starting with 1 and increasing with any additional motions made that day. For this example the Main Motion above is numbered 11-08-2019-1.

Our rules require a minimum 15 days for debate on-line and then 15 days for voting. During that 15 days a member decides they do not agree with the colors named. They may make a motion to amend the main motion. This is a secondary motion. The member says:

“I move that we strike the word scarlet in Motion 11-08-2019-1 and substitute the word veridian.” If this secondary motion is seconded the chair will assign it a number. Currently we use the numbering convention MM-DD-YYYY-#l. All but the l are the same as the main motion, regardless to what day the amending motion is made. l is the order of amending motions, beginning with a. So this amending motion would be called 11-08-201-1a.

Now, we get into some of the minutia. The motion to amend should be relevant to the main motion. While it is in order to completely remove the text of the main motion and substitute other language, the new language must be relevant to the topic under discussion. In our example it would be in order to change colors, add other seasons or series in Star Trek and so forth. It would be out of order to change the language to direct the treasurer to purchase copies of the Singers Sewing Library. Even a more modest change, say changing Star Trek to Star Wars could be ruled out of order. (A challenge to the decision of the chair is possible but that is another discussion.)

There should not be more than one secondary motion on the floor at a time. (In a physical meeting we would only have one main motion on the floor as well, but the on-line environment allows more flexibility) The reason for that is simply to prevent confusion.

Secondary motions take priority from main motions. What that means is discussion, and voting, on the main motion may not continue until the secondary motion is resolved; either passing or failing. We begin a new 15/15 day procedure. If, at the end of voting the secondary motion passes, then the main motion is adjusted and continues as amended to further discussion and voting. If it fails then the main motion remains unchanged and continues to further discussion and voting.

Technically, by Roberts Rules a motion may be made to amend the amending or secondary motion. While this is possible, I seriously recommend against it for clarity’s sake. Such an adjustment can be made as another secondary motion after the current one is resolved. However, it is legal land would follow the same procedure. The numbering would be MM-DD-YYY-#ll, the second l beginning with a. Again, such a motion would take priority over the secondary motion and must be resolved before discussion and voting can continue on the secondary motion.

This all seems very technical, but the process is important. It provides structure for the discussion and helps to minimize dissent. Debate on any of these motions should always be impersonal, should address only the pros and cons of the proposal, and be civil in tone.

If anyone has any questions, please ask me.

-- 
Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why, they are simple doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14659 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Procedures for Making Motions

The #motions channel has been created to announce motions as they have been appropriately made and seconded with their dates as assigned to ensure that business on the floor can be found quickly without having to dig through discussions in the BoD and general channels.  This is an announcement channel only and is a resource to follow what motions have been made, seconded, and assigned numbers, along with the dates for their discussion and voting periods. All actual discussions, and motions presented and their seconds must occur in the BoD channel, and not in the #motions channel.  Only the president, corresponding Secretary, recording secretary, and parliamentarian may post in the #motions channel.


Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 8, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Pierre and Sandy Pettinger costumrs@radiks.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

I would like to review the process of motions and amendments so the process is clear. If we don’t follow the proper process and keep our discussions civil, we will continue the current pattern of acrimony.

These procedures are largely the same for the physical and the on-line meeting. We have made some adjustments for our on-line meeting for logistical reasons.  

The primary tool for an organizations meeting is the motion. A motion can be used to propose or adjust a standing rule, direct the organization to create a committee or close a committee, disburse funds for a specific reason, gather quotes, and so forth.

The first thing I am going to cover is the correct way to make a motion.  In the general, physical meeting any member can make a motion. In the BOD meeting only the BOD members can make motions. For limited purposes subsidiary individuals such as the Parliamentarian, Group Letter Coordinator and such can also make motion, though they cannot vote.

A member should always use the phrase “I move” and then add the substance of the motion. The motion should be precise in its language and what it wants to do. For example (I’m pulling things out of the air here):

“I move that we use the same names for the colors of the first season Star Trek: The Next Generation uniforms” would be imprecise. Instead you would say

“I move we create Standing Rule XX which will state “The International Costumers’ Guild recognizes the following colors of the Federation uniforms in the first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation; the command uniforms will be referred to as scarlet, the operations  uniforms will be referred to as ocher and the sciences uniforms will be referred to as sapphire.”

This is the main motion. At this point someone must second the motion. The chair should call for a second if one is not made before the chair can so call. If no one seconds then the motion fails. (Notation for future action; we currently do not have a time limit for a second in our on-line meeting procedures.)

If a second is made, the motion moves to debate. For the on-line meeting the chair will assign a motion number. Our Standing Rules do not define how that number is to be created, but in general we have been using the form MM-DD-YYY-# where MM is the month the motion is made, DD is the day and YYYY is the year. # is a number starting with 1 and increasing with any additional motions made that day. For this example the Main Motion above is numbered 11-08-2019-1.

Our rules require a minimum 15 days for debate on-line and then 15 days for voting. During that 15 days a member decides they do not agree with the colors named. They may make a motion to amend the main motion. This is a secondary motion. The member says:

“I move that we strike the word scarlet in Motion 11-08-2019-1 and substitute the word veridian.” If this secondary motion is seconded the chair will assign it a number. Currently we use the numbering convention MM-DD-YYYY-#l. All but the l are the same as the main motion, regardless to what day the amending motion is made. l is the order of amending motions, beginning with a. So this amending motion would be called 11-08-201-1a.

Now, we get into some of the minutia. The motion to amend should be relevant to the main motion. While it is in order to completely remove the text of the main motion and substitute other language, the new language must be relevant to the topic under discussion. In our example it would be in order to change colors, add other seasons or series in Star Trek and so forth. It would be out of order to change the language to direct the treasurer to purchase copies of the Singers Sewing Library. Even a more modest change, say changing Star Trek to Star Wars could be ruled out of order. (A challenge to the decision of the chair is possible but that is another discussion.)

There should not be more than one secondary motion on the floor at a time. (In a physical meeting we would only have one main motion on the floor as well, but the on-line environment allows more flexibility) The reason for that is simply to prevent confusion.

Secondary motions take priority from main motions. What that means is discussion, and voting, on the main motion may not continue until the secondary motion is resolved; either passing or failing. We begin a new 15/15 day procedure. If, at the end of voting the secondary motion passes, then the main motion is adjusted and continues as amended to further discussion and voting. If it fails then the main motion remains unchanged and continues to further discussion and voting.

Technically, by Roberts Rules a motion may be made to amend the amending or secondary motion. While this is possible, I seriously recommend against it for clarity’s sake. Such an adjustment can be made as another secondary motion after the current one is resolved. However, it is legal land would follow the same procedure. The numbering would be MM-DD-YYY-#ll, the second l beginning with a. Again, such a motion would take priority over the secondary motion and must be resolved before discussion and voting can continue on the secondary motion.

This all seems very technical, but the process is important. It provides structure for the discussion and helps to minimize dissent. Debate on any of these motions should always be impersonal, should address only the pros and cons of the proposal, and be civil in tone.

If anyone has any questions, please ask me.

-- 
Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why, they are simple doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14660 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application
I've been off-line for days now, so I'm late chiming in, but I am definitely in favor of accepting the Ohio River Valley chapter into the welcoming arms of the ICG!

Elaine M
LACE


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 11:34 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] RE: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application
 
 

I know that negative responses are not required (should we consider that?) but I have no objection to the proposed new chapter.

How will be mentor the new chapter?  Make sure they get the basic deadlines and check-ins right in the beginning?



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On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 10:46 PM Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Quite a bit has happened in the last 24 hours, as well as the last 10 days.  Let’s all try to stay very calm and respond in a professional manner.

This discussion needs to be kept to the merits and concerns regarding the chapter petition as allowed by the bylaws and standing rules.

If my previous statement was misunderstood, apologies, but I will not delay a chapter from being considered.  This is normal business.  I did not want another group to be turned away or give up, especially in light of the number of members who have recently left and the number of potential members that have been turned away.

The 5 days to lodge an objection to the chapter based on the petition’s content ends on Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2019 at 6:51pm.  If there is no objection on the petition’s content, the vote will begin at 6:51pm on Nov 5, 2019, and end on Nov. 10, 2019 at 6:51pm.  

Please phrase your objections accordingly and address the content of the petition.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:55 PM, Vicky ayekasong@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

From Slack:

Merrily 8:05 PM
I thought when Mera announced Ron would be coming on she also said there would be no business unless it was an emergency. Has that board recess been rescinded even though Ron has not started nor has the investigation been completed?

Merarose 8:13 PM
I asked that there please be no new business, not that we were in recess. It was more of a plea than a declaration.
In other words, please don’t do anything that requires me to do more than assign a motion number. I’m not getting involved beyond that. Arguments start, I’m telling you to wait until Ron comes. Cause I refuse to deal with any more than very routine business so the corporation can continue. Recess happens in February.

Merrily 8:21 PM
Okay, then I’ll ask. How do we intend to support the new chapter so they feel supported and flourish?

Judy Mitchell 8:27 PM
Actually you said that unless there was some "super urgent thing that absolutely can't wait, please keep all remaining business matters other than nominations on hold until Ron is available in roughly two weeks." You want the screen cap? I could have sworn others had also said that while we do welcome new chapters, this was not the time to bring them in. I would love to see a chapter in the Ohio River Valley, but it is not pertinent to nominations nor is it an emergency. The same with the harassment policy... Yes we should have one, no it's not an emergency that can't wait until we deal with the elections.

dragan rose 8:38 PM
I agree with Judy. Can we explained to the Ohio folks that we have had a situation at the moment that we need to delay things for two weeks and then they can have our less divided attention?

Merrily 8:40 PM
We should be able to tell them the bod is on a 2 week break and will be voting on this when they return.

dragan rose 8:42 PM
That sounds reasonable.

Jacalyn Boggs 8:47 PM
I would remind everyone this is a public channel, there’s nothing in Bylaws or Standing Rules to hold new chapter on boarding and we are not on any sort of recess. This is when they applied and we need to dealt with it in a timely fashion according to standing rule 17G and not lied to.

Judy Mitchell 8:50 PM
No one is lying to them. We are merely holding to exactly what Mera, as acting president requested. No more, no less.

Merrily 8:54 PM
2 weeks is still timely. It’s not like we are saying next year.

dragan rose 8:56 PM
And then we can give them the attention they need.

Judy Mitchell 8:59 PM
Why can't they be told that "the Bod is in an unofficial recess for two weeks until a critical matter is resolved. Then we will happily look at their application, please bear with us."

dragan rose 9:19 PM
I posted this to general and am re-posting here. These are the amendments that the GCFCG passed earlier this year.

(Corresponding Secretary’s note – the GCFCG amendments are in PDF format, please click here to see them in full: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MgVhzc4aQGhgw-xl1jxXWo_yGpiUwEI2/view)

Jacalyn Boggs 9:21 PM
Well primarily because the BOD is not in a recess. We cannot suddenly create one to blockade a chapter from joining. Even if we did, please remember that with this channel being public, and a BOD rep will be able to come in and see these comments.
You can dislike the timing, but this is when this potential chapter chose to apply. We should be grateful after the PR nightmare of last week. Let’s not continue to make this mistake.
Please review the petition. It is a pretty exciting group that looks like they are pretty solid as a group. They are currently growing their group and see our similarity to them. I can think of no conceivable reason to actually object to this.

dragan rose 9:28 PM
And I am fine with them joining us, put me down as a "YES".
Also I am putting together everything that folks have handed me. I hope to get the hard copy of all the statements and evidence I was give together by the end of the week. I am currently working on finding a reviewer to go over the findings and give their recommendations.

Judy Mitchell 9:37 PM
Please note i said "unofficial recess" ,I'm not claiming a full official recess. So you are refusing to abide by Mera's request that all business not of election nature be put in hold? I think the chapter looks great, but a reasonable presidential request is a reasonable request

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Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] RE: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application



This begins the 5 day objection period under standing rule 17G. Please make any formal objections on this thread. If no objections are received by Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2019 at 6:51pm (5 days from now), then the vote to accept this chapter application will be held until Nov. 10, 2019 at 6:51pm.
Cordially,
Mera Babineaux


On Nov 1, 2019, at 6:04 PM, Vicky ayekasong@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thank you Marianne, I will be in contact with this chapter shortly to confirm the receipt of their application.

Vicky Assarattanakul

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Subject: Fwd: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Randy Smith <lordteth@icloud.com<mailto:lordteth@icloud.com>>
Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 10:46 AM
Subject: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application
To: <icg-president@costume.org<mailto:icg-president@costume.org>>

Hello,
My name is Randy Smith, and we are contacting you regarding the founding of a Chapter of the International Costumers' Guild here in our local area... We have a large group of Cosplayers, Costumers and Live Action Role Players in the Ohio Valley area and we would love to join the ICG to help provide a home for them to learn, grow and prosper.

Our members have already held panels and workshops at major conventions in this area, and our group plans on continuing to help educate and grow our ever expanding community. I think that we may have found kindred spirits in the ICG, and we would like to formally apply for chapter status. I think that this will be mutually beneficial to both of our organizations, and we look forward to working closely with the ICG moving forward. We already have many who have shown interest in joining the organization and we expect this particular chapter to expand quickly once our chapter is established.

We, the undersigned, formally request affiliation with the International Costumers’ Guild as the Ohio River Valley Chapter of the International Costumers' Guild, also known as "Cosplay United " representing the Ohio River Valley Region (to include Kentucky, Southern Indiana, Southern Ohio and South Eastern Illinois). Our chapter mailing address is 4402 South Second Street, Apt 2 / Louisville KY 40214.

Our initial board of officers are listed below. Please advise us if we have been accepted.
If you have any further questions, or would like to talk to me personally you may contact me at: 270-505-9382

Signed,
Randy Smith


Randy L Smith
-President / ICG Board Representative

Bryan Patrick
-Vice President

Rebecca Hermann
-Secretary

Heather Day
-Treasurer

Current Additional Members: Jenn Glos Hall, Anthony Hall, Katherine Smith



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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14661 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: From the Acting President
Cross posted from Slack:

The next few posts contain quite a bit of information and may be upsetting to some. I apologize that I have to make these posts, and hope that you will read them carefully to understand the content of each one. Please do not mischaracterize any information being conveyed. There are procedures that must be followed that are set forth in our articles of incorporation, bylaws, standing rules, laws of the State of Maryland, parliamentary procedure, and that help to ensure clarity, transparency, cohesive transfer of fiduciary duties and administrative responsibilities, and protect our organization, it’s members, board of directors, and officers from issues that could arise from not completing these business matters appropriately.

You, as BoD reps, are asked to read the following posts carefully and discuss the content with your members in your chapter forums before responding.
——————————

I have spoken with Paddy Morton, general counsel with Maryland Non-Profits through a free consultation, on the transition to new officers and current issues facing the board. These issues must be done in a procedural manner to ensure fiduciary and administrative responsibilities are appropriately transferred in accordance with all applicable Articles of Incorporation, ByLaws, Standing Rules, and laws of the State of Maryland and other governances or best practices that may apply to protect the corporation, and so she has advised me to do the following:

To protect the corporation and in accordance with the fiduciary and administrative responsibilities of the position of Vice President to which I was elected, I hereby withdraw my resignation and will continue as Acting President at this time. The Presiding Officer appointment and upcoming election for president are now terminated as they are out of order. I know that we are all very grateful for Kevin and Ron’s willingness to serve in this difficult time, and would like to extend my personal gratitude to them.

The election for Vice President, however, is in order as the position is currently vacant and can continue by resolution of the board with an appropriate motion and second, which has already occurred. As Jan Price accepted the nomination on 11/7/2019, the discussion/nomination period for Vice Presidential candidates will remain open until 11/22/2019, with the voting period to run from 11/22/2019 to 12/7/2019.

As proper procedure for my resignation to be formally accepted did not previously occur, that must be rectified. Please accept this as my resignation as Acting President, (formerly Vice President), effective 12/22/2019 to give time for transition to the new Acting President (the soon-to-be elected Vice President) who may choose to preside until the next annual meeting.

In order for my resignation as Acting President, (formerly Vice President), to be official there must be a motion, second, and vote of the Board of Directors to accept my resignation. If the board votes to accept my resignation then the newly elected Vice President (determined on 12/7/2019) will become the Acting President and can decide whether to hold elections for President and then return to the Vice President’s position or remain as acting President until the annual meeting at CostumeCon.

If the board rejects my resignation, then I would continue as Acting President, and the elected VP would be VP until the annual meeting.

As a side note for the future, apparently Presiding Officers should only be appointed to oversee specific motions and not all business of the corporation.

I serve at the pleasure of the board. If you decide to have me remain until the annual meeting, I will do so. If not, I will happily aid in the transition to new leadership.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14662 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: From the Acting President
As there were posts made by a BoD rep after I tendered my initial resignation that impugned my character (which could impact some individual’s decisions on whether I should remain), I have provided evidence with regard to those allegations to Sarah Richardson (Dragan Rose), Kevin Roche, Pierre Pettinger, and Jacalyn Boggs. Any member with questions regarding those allegations or wishing to see the evidence and documentation surrounding those allegations may contact any of those persons listed above, or me, to obtain a copy of that evidence and documentation.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Cross posted from Slack:
>
> The next few posts contain quite a bit of information and may be upsetting to some. I apologize that I have to make these posts, and hope that you will read them carefully to understand the content of each one. Please do not mischaracterize any information being conveyed. There are procedures that must be followed that are set forth in our articles of incorporation, bylaws, standing rules, laws of the State of Maryland, parliamentary procedure, and that help to ensure clarity, transparency, cohesive transfer of fiduciary duties and administrative responsibilities, and protect our organization, it’s members, board of directors, and officers from issues that could arise from not completing these business matters appropriately.
>
> You, as BoD reps, are asked to read the following posts carefully and discuss the content with your members in your chapter forums before responding.
> ——————————
>
> I have spoken with Paddy Morton, general counsel with Maryland Non-Profits through a free consultation, on the transition to new officers and current issues facing the board. These issues must be done in a procedural manner to ensure fiduciary and administrative responsibilities are appropriately transferred in accordance with all applicable Articles of Incorporation, ByLaws, Standing Rules, and laws of the State of Maryland and other governances or best practices that may apply to protect the corporation, and so she has advised me to do the following:
>
> To protect the corporation and in accordance with the fiduciary and administrative responsibilities of the position of Vice President to which I was elected, I hereby withdraw my resignation and will continue as Acting President at this time. The Presiding Officer appointment and upcoming election for president are now terminated as they are out of order. I know that we are all very grateful for Kevin and Ron’s willingness to serve in this difficult time, and would like to extend my personal gratitude to them.
>
> The election for Vice President, however, is in order as the position is currently vacant and can continue by resolution of the board with an appropriate motion and second, which has already occurred. As Jan Price accepted the nomination on 11/7/2019, the discussion/nomination period for Vice Presidential candidates will remain open until 11/22/2019, with the voting period to run from 11/22/2019 to 12/7/2019.
>
> As proper procedure for my resignation to be formally accepted did not previously occur, that must be rectified. Please accept this as my resignation as Acting President, (formerly Vice President), effective 12/22/2019 to give time for transition to the new Acting President (the soon-to-be elected Vice President) who may choose to preside until the next annual meeting.
>
> In order for my resignation as Acting President, (formerly Vice President), to be official there must be a motion, second, and vote of the Board of Directors to accept my resignation. If the board votes to accept my resignation then the newly elected Vice President (determined on 12/7/2019) will become the Acting President and can decide whether to hold elections for President and then return to the Vice President’s position or remain as acting President until the annual meeting at CostumeCon.
>
> If the board rejects my resignation, then I would continue as Acting President, and the elected VP would be VP until the annual meeting.
>
> As a side note for the future, apparently Presiding Officers should only be appointed to oversee specific motions and not all business of the corporation.
>
> I serve at the pleasure of the board. If you decide to have me remain until the annual meeting, I will do so. If not, I will happily aid in the transition to new leadership.
>
> Cordially,
> Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14663 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application
I finally check in and I have opinions!

I think an ombudsman position is a great idea!

The only problem is how to train the ombudsman?

Elaine


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] RE: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application
 
 

I had a thought about that if y’all decide you want to use it...


Create an ombudsman position.  Their job would basically be working with new chapters to help them get their documents together, understand what they need to send each month, check in with them to get reports if they’re late, etc.

But specifically only working with new chapters.  That way the corresponding Secretary can handle regular business.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 4, 2019, at 11:34 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

I know that negative responses are not required (should we consider that?) but I have no objection to the proposed new chapter.

How will be mentor the new chapter?  Make sure they get the basic deadlines and check-ins right in the beginning?



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On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 10:46 PM Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Quite a bit has happened in the last 24 hours, as well as the last 10 days.  Let’s all try to stay very calm and respond in a professional manner.

This discussion needs to be kept to the merits and concerns regarding the chapter petition as allowed by the bylaws and standing rules.

If my previous statement was misunderstood, apologies, but I will not delay a chapter from being considered.  This is normal business.  I did not want another group to be turned away or give up, especially in light of the number of members who have recently left and the number of potential members that have been turned away.

The 5 days to lodge an objection to the chapter based on the petition’s content ends on Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2019 at 6:51pm.  If there is no objection on the petition’s content, the vote will begin at 6:51pm on Nov 5, 2019, and end on Nov. 10, 2019 at 6:51pm.  

Please phrase your objections accordingly and address the content of the petition.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:55 PM, Vicky ayekasong@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

From Slack:

Merrily 8:05 PM
I thought when Mera announced Ron would be coming on she also said there would be no business unless it was an emergency. Has that board recess been rescinded even though Ron has not started nor has the investigation been completed?

Merarose 8:13 PM
I asked that there please be no new business, not that we were in recess. It was more of a plea than a declaration.
In other words, please don’t do anything that requires me to do more than assign a motion number. I’m not getting involved beyond that. Arguments start, I’m telling you to wait until Ron comes. Cause I refuse to deal with any more than very routine business so the corporation can continue. Recess happens in February.

Merrily 8:21 PM
Okay, then I’ll ask. How do we intend to support the new chapter so they feel supported and flourish?

Judy Mitchell 8:27 PM
Actually you said that unless there was some "super urgent thing that absolutely can't wait, please keep all remaining business matters other than nominations on hold until Ron is available in roughly two weeks." You want the screen cap? I could have sworn others had also said that while we do welcome new chapters, this was not the time to bring them in. I would love to see a chapter in the Ohio River Valley, but it is not pertinent to nominations nor is it an emergency. The same with the harassment policy... Yes we should have one, no it's not an emergency that can't wait until we deal with the elections.

dragan rose 8:38 PM
I agree with Judy. Can we explained to the Ohio folks that we have had a situation at the moment that we need to delay things for two weeks and then they can have our less divided attention?

Merrily 8:40 PM
We should be able to tell them the bod is on a 2 week break and will be voting on this when they return.

dragan rose 8:42 PM
That sounds reasonable.

Jacalyn Boggs 8:47 PM
I would remind everyone this is a public channel, there’s nothing in Bylaws or Standing Rules to hold new chapter on boarding and we are not on any sort of recess. This is when they applied and we need to dealt with it in a timely fashion according to standing rule 17G and not lied to.

Judy Mitchell 8:50 PM
No one is lying to them. We are merely holding to exactly what Mera, as acting president requested. No more, no less.

Merrily 8:54 PM
2 weeks is still timely. It’s not like we are saying next year.

dragan rose 8:56 PM
And then we can give them the attention they need.

Judy Mitchell 8:59 PM
Why can't they be told that "the Bod is in an unofficial recess for two weeks until a critical matter is resolved. Then we will happily look at their application, please bear with us."

dragan rose 9:19 PM
I posted this to general and am re-posting here. These are the amendments that the GCFCG passed earlier this year.

(Corresponding Secretary’s note – the GCFCG amendments are in PDF format, please click here to see them in full: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MgVhzc4aQGhgw-xl1jxXWo_yGpiUwEI2/view)

Jacalyn Boggs 9:21 PM
Well primarily because the BOD is not in a recess. We cannot suddenly create one to blockade a chapter from joining. Even if we did, please remember that with this channel being public, and a BOD rep will be able to come in and see these comments.
You can dislike the timing, but this is when this potential chapter chose to apply. We should be grateful after the PR nightmare of last week. Let’s not continue to make this mistake.
Please review the petition. It is a pretty exciting group that looks like they are pretty solid as a group. They are currently growing their group and see our similarity to them. I can think of no conceivable reason to actually object to this.

dragan rose 9:28 PM
And I am fine with them joining us, put me down as a "YES".
Also I am putting together everything that folks have handed me. I hope to get the hard copy of all the statements and evidence I was give together by the end of the week. I am currently working on finding a reviewer to go over the findings and give their recommendations.

Judy Mitchell 9:37 PM
Please note i said "unofficial recess" ,I'm not claiming a full official recess. So you are refusing to abide by Mera's request that all business not of election nature be put in hold? I think the chapter looks great, but a reasonable presidential request is a reasonable request

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Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] RE: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application



This begins the 5 day objection period under standing rule 17G. Please make any formal objections on this thread. If no objections are received by Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2019 at 6:51pm (5 days from now), then the vote to accept this chapter application will be held until Nov. 10, 2019 at 6:51pm.
Cordially,
Mera Babineaux


On Nov 1, 2019, at 6:04 PM, Vicky ayekasong@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thank you Marianne, I will be in contact with this chapter shortly to confirm the receipt of their application.

Vicky Assarattanakul

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Subject: Fwd: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Randy Smith <lordteth@icloud.com<mailto:lordteth@icloud.com>>
Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 10:46 AM
Subject: Ohio River Valley Chapter Application
To: <icg-president@costume.org<mailto:icg-president@costume.org>>

Hello,
My name is Randy Smith, and we are contacting you regarding the founding of a Chapter of the International Costumers' Guild here in our local area... We have a large group of Cosplayers, Costumers and Live Action Role Players in the Ohio Valley area and we would love to join the ICG to help provide a home for them to learn, grow and prosper.

Our members have already held panels and workshops at major conventions in this area, and our group plans on continuing to help educate and grow our ever expanding community. I think that we may have found kindred spirits in the ICG, and we would like to formally apply for chapter status. I think that this will be mutually beneficial to both of our organizations, and we look forward to working closely with the ICG moving forward. We already have many who have shown interest in joining the organization and we expect this particular chapter to expand quickly once our chapter is established.

We, the undersigned, formally request affiliation with the International Costumers’ Guild as the Ohio River Valley Chapter of the International Costumers' Guild, also known as "Cosplay United " representing the Ohio River Valley Region (to include Kentucky, Southern Indiana, Southern Ohio and South Eastern Illinois). Our chapter mailing address is 4402 South Second Street, Apt 2 / Louisville KY 40214.

Our initial board of officers are listed below. Please advise us if we have been accepted.
If you have any further questions, or would like to talk to me personally you may contact me at: 270-505-9382

Signed,
Randy Smith


Randy L Smith
-President / ICG Board Representative

Bryan Patrick
-Vice President

Rebecca Hermann
-Secretary

Heather Day
-Treasurer

Current Additional Members: Jenn Glos Hall, Anthony Hall, Katherine Smith



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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14664 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Voting has begun in Slack
Aaand, I'm still not in Slack.  I need a member coordinator, please!
Elaine


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:58 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Voting has begun in Slack
 
 

The objection period for the new Ohio River Valley Chapter (aka “Cosplay United”) is now ended. The poll to vote will appear momentarily in Slack. Once the poll is created you may vote yes, no, or abstain. You may choose to send your vote to the corresponding Secretary instead and she will add the votes in the comments on the poll by chapter rep and “yes” “no” or “abstain”. You have until Sunday, 11/10/2019 at 6:51pm to vote.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14665 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Voting has begun in Slack
I’ve asked Jacalyn to help.  If it doesn’t work, please send your vote to ICG-corr-Secretary@costume.org and Vicky will add your vote to the poll in slack.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 8, 2019, at 8:40 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Aaand, I'm still not in Slack.  I need a member coordinator, please!
Elaine


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:58 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Voting has begun in Slack
 
 

The objection period for the new Ohio River Valley Chapter (aka “Cosplay United”) is now ended. The poll to vote will appear momentarily in Slack. Once the poll is created you may vote yes, no, or abstain. You may choose to send your vote to the corresponding Secretary instead and she will add the votes in the comments on the poll by chapter rep and “yes” “no” or “abstain”. You have until Sunday, 11/10/2019 at 6:51pm to vote.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14666 From: Lady Ozma Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Voting has begun in Slack
For the record, Vicky lodged the vote which is always an option. But, also, I have walked Elaine through Slack and she was able to actually vote in the poll. 

If anyone else needs help, please send your vote via email to the secretary or you can ask for help.  My display name is currently “Lady Ozma” and you can send me a direct message in slack. I’m hit or miss this weekend, but will help where possible. 

Jacalyn aka Lady Ozma 

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On Nov 8, 2019, at 9:04 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

I’ve asked Jacalyn to help.  If it doesn’t work, please send your vote to ICG-corr-Secretary@costume.org and Vicky will add your vote to the poll in slack.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 8, 2019, at 8:40 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Aaand, I'm still not in Slack.  I need a member coordinator, please!
Elaine


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:58 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Voting has begun in Slack
 
 

The objection period for the new Ohio River Valley Chapter (aka “Cosplay United”) is now ended. The poll to vote will appear momentarily in Slack. Once the poll is created you may vote yes, no, or abstain. You may choose to send your vote to the corresponding Secretary instead and she will add the votes in the comments on the poll by chapter rep and “yes” “no” or “abstain”. You have until Sunday, 11/10/2019 at 6:51pm to vote.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14667 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
I definitely AM biased, and I also refuse to accept those resignations because WE are the cause of them!
Kevin would/will be an excellent officer at any level, as will Jan.  
I'm happy to second any motion that has not yet been seconded. I would have chimed in sooner but I work and sleep while most of this is going on.  
I'm old and tired.  Please bear with me.
Elaine M


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Vicky ayekasong@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 9:48 PM
To: BOD-ICG <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
 
 

Good evening,

 

Here is Part 2 of today’s Slack updates.

 

Vicky Assarattanakul

 

Jeanine Swick  1 hour ago

The chapter that left because it felt unsupported since they had joined. I have been stressing that fact that new chapters join and then left to sink or swim all on their own with no support system for them. Members come and go all the time with no comment about them leaving.

 

Dragan Rose 7:29 PM

Quick question, how are we doing nominations for VP in the interim? I would like to nominate Jan Price for Vice President. She has given me her ok. Right now she is only on ICG-D on Yahoo.

 

Judy Mitchell 8:08 PM

According to Mera's instructions, anouncing on the D list is fine, and since she is on the D list she can answer to confirm her acceptance.

 

Abigail Welsher 8:25 PM

Personally, having reviewed everything that has happened in regards to all of this, I believe that there has been some major miscommunication all around. Bringing in a new  President and Vice President at the same time seems absurd to me. It would just result in more chaos. As a result, I feel that I need to reject Mera’s resignation and ask her to please consider finishing her elected term.

 

Jacalyn Boggs  14 minutes ago

I am seconding this sentiment. I have talked with multiple members of the BOD as well as both Mera and Marianne about this.

Also sent to the channel

 

Jeanine Swick  7 minutes ago

The members nominated for office are long time and very experienced people. They both have a much longer history and deeper knowledge base than either of you.

Also sent to the channel

 

Jeanine Swick  < 1 minute ago

We need people who actually have a clue on how to run an organization to get everything back on track. All you have been doing is constantly throwing fuel on the fire that you started. Abagail as an alt can not make any motions.

 

Jacalyn Boggs 8:27 PM

I motion for The ICG Board to issue a formal and public apology to a. The three potential chapters lost b. Marianne and Mera c. CosMAKTx as they cited the turmoil of the BOD as one of their reasons for disbanding.

 

Jeanine Swick  12 minutes ago

Getand state your facts correctly! They also felt unsupported by the ICG the other just added to it.

 

Judy Mitchell 8:40 PM

Jan Price has been VP before, she is not new to the position. Kevin Roche has been chapter president in SiWeb as well as con chair for a few costumecons and worldcons, he is also a long time member of icg and can easily manage the position of President. Putting either or both of them in as interim officers will in no way cause any hardship to the running of the Corp if that's what you are afraid of. Newbies stepping in? Yes, that would be a concern; but not them.

 

Abigail Welsher 8:44 PM

It wasn’t a motion. It was a request and my personal opinion, which last I checked I am allowed to have. I neither agree nor disagree with any particular person in this. I just see how it looks from an unbiased position.

 

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14668 From: Lady Ozma Date: 11/8/2019
Subject: Re: Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
Definitely read the note from the acting president about resignations. 

At this time the only motion not seconded is the motion concerning a public apology.  Are you seconding that? 

Jacalyn 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2019, at 10:53 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

I definitely AM biased, and I also refuse to accept those resignations because WE are the cause of them!
Kevin would/will be an excellent officer at any level, as will Jan.  
I'm happy to second any motion that has not yet been seconded. I would have chimed in sooner but I work and sleep while most of this is going on.  
I'm old and tired.  Please bear with me.
Elaine M


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Vicky ayekasong@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 9:48 PM
To: BOD-ICG <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
 
 

Good evening,

 

Here is Part 2 of today’s Slack updates.

 

Vicky Assarattanakul

 

Jeanine Swick  1 hour ago

The chapter that left because it felt unsupported since they had joined. I have been stressing that fact that new chapters join and then left to sink or swim all on their own with no support system for them. Members come and go all the time with no comment about them leaving.

 

Dragan Rose 7:29 PM

Quick question, how are we doing nominations for VP in the interim? I would like to nominate Jan Price for Vice President. She has given me her ok. Right now she is only on ICG-D on Yahoo.

 

Judy Mitchell 8:08 PM

According to Mera's instructions, anouncing on the D list is fine, and since she is on the D list she can answer to confirm her acceptance.

 

Abigail Welsher 8:25 PM

Personally, having reviewed everything that has happened in regards to all of this, I believe that there has been some major miscommunication all around. Bringing in a new  President and Vice President at the same time seems absurd to me. It would just result in more chaos. As a result, I feel that I need to reject Mera’s resignation and ask her to please consider finishing her elected term.

 

Jacalyn Boggs  14 minutes ago

I am seconding this sentiment. I have talked with multiple members of the BOD as well as both Mera and Marianne about this.

Also sent to the channel

 

Jeanine Swick  7 minutes ago

The members nominated for office are long time and very experienced people. They both have a much longer history and deeper knowledge base than either of you.

Also sent to the channel

 

Jeanine Swick  < 1 minute ago

We need people who actually have a clue on how to run an organization to get everything back on track. All you have been doing is constantly throwing fuel on the fire that you started. Abagail as an alt can not make any motions.

 

Jacalyn Boggs 8:27 PM

I motion for The ICG Board to issue a formal and public apology to a. The three potential chapters lost b. Marianne and Mera c. CosMAKTx as they cited the turmoil of the BOD as one of their reasons for disbanding.

 

Jeanine Swick  12 minutes ago

Getand state your facts correctly! They also felt unsupported by the ICG the other just added to it.

 

Judy Mitchell 8:40 PM

Jan Price has been VP before, she is not new to the position. Kevin Roche has been chapter president in SiWeb as well as con chair for a few costumecons and worldcons, he is also a long time member of icg and can easily manage the position of President. Putting either or both of them in as interim officers will in no way cause any hardship to the running of the Corp if that's what you are afraid of. Newbies stepping in? Yes, that would be a concern; but not them.

 

Abigail Welsher 8:44 PM

It wasn’t a motion. It was a request and my personal opinion, which last I checked I am allowed to have. I neither agree nor disagree with any particular person in this. I just see how it looks from an unbiased position.

 

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14669 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: Voting has begun in Slack
Got it!  Thanks!
Now that's customer service!!
Elaine M


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 8:54 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Voting has begun in Slack
 
 

I’ve asked Jacalyn to help.  If it doesn’t work, please send your vote to ICG-corr-Secretary@costume.org and Vicky will add your vote to the poll in slack.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 8, 2019, at 8:40 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Aaand, I'm still not in Slack.  I need a member coordinator, please!
Elaine


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 6:58 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Voting has begun in Slack
 
 

The objection period for the new Ohio River Valley Chapter (aka “Cosplay United”) is now ended. The poll to vote will appear momentarily in Slack. Once the poll is created you may vote yes, no, or abstain. You may choose to send your vote to the corresponding Secretary instead and she will add the votes in the comments on the poll by chapter rep and “yes” “no” or “abstain”. You have until Sunday, 11/10/2019 at 6:51pm to vote.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14670 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
Yes!
E


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Lady Ozma jacalynstanley@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 11:17 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Re: Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
 
 

Definitely read the note from the acting president about resignations. 


At this time the only motion not seconded is the motion concerning a public apology.  Are you seconding that? 

Jacalyn 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2019, at 10:53 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

I definitely AM biased, and I also refuse to accept those resignations because WE are the cause of them!
Kevin would/will be an excellent officer at any level, as will Jan.  
I'm happy to second any motion that has not yet been seconded. I would have chimed in sooner but I work and sleep while most of this is going on.  
I'm old and tired.  Please bear with me.
Elaine M


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Vicky ayekasong@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 9:48 PM
To: BOD-ICG <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
 
 

Good evening,

 

Here is Part 2 of today’s Slack updates.

 

Vicky Assarattanakul

 

Jeanine Swick  1 hour ago

The chapter that left because it felt unsupported since they had joined. I have been stressing that fact that new chapters join and then left to sink or swim all on their own with no support system for them. Members come and go all the time with no comment about them leaving.

 

Dragan Rose 7:29 PM

Quick question, how are we doing nominations for VP in the interim? I would like to nominate Jan Price for Vice President. She has given me her ok. Right now she is only on ICG-D on Yahoo.

 

Judy Mitchell 8:08 PM

According to Mera's instructions, anouncing on the D list is fine, and since she is on the D list she can answer to confirm her acceptance.

 

Abigail Welsher 8:25 PM

Personally, having reviewed everything that has happened in regards to all of this, I believe that there has been some major miscommunication all around. Bringing in a new  President and Vice President at the same time seems absurd to me. It would just result in more chaos. As a result, I feel that I need to reject Mera’s resignation and ask her to please consider finishing her elected term.

 

Jacalyn Boggs  14 minutes ago

I am seconding this sentiment. I have talked with multiple members of the BOD as well as both Mera and Marianne about this.

Also sent to the channel

 

Jeanine Swick  7 minutes ago

The members nominated for office are long time and very experienced people. They both have a much longer history and deeper knowledge base than either of you.

Also sent to the channel

 

Jeanine Swick  < 1 minute ago

We need people who actually have a clue on how to run an organization to get everything back on track. All you have been doing is constantly throwing fuel on the fire that you started. Abagail as an alt can not make any motions.

 

Jacalyn Boggs 8:27 PM

I motion for The ICG Board to issue a formal and public apology to a. The three potential chapters lost b. Marianne and Mera c. CosMAKTx as they cited the turmoil of the BOD as one of their reasons for disbanding.

 

Jeanine Swick  12 minutes ago

Getand state your facts correctly! They also felt unsupported by the ICG the other just added to it.

 

Judy Mitchell 8:40 PM

Jan Price has been VP before, she is not new to the position. Kevin Roche has been chapter president in SiWeb as well as con chair for a few costumecons and worldcons, he is also a long time member of icg and can easily manage the position of President. Putting either or both of them in as interim officers will in no way cause any hardship to the running of the Corp if that's what you are afraid of. Newbies stepping in? Yes, that would be a concern; but not them.

 

Abigail Welsher 8:44 PM

It wasn’t a motion. It was a request and my personal opinion, which last I checked I am allowed to have. I neither agree nor disagree with any particular person in this. I just see how it looks from an unbiased position.

 

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14671 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Motion 11-9-2019-1: Apologies to chapters, et al

Motion #11-9-2019-1:  Motion for The ICG Board to issue a formal and public apology to a. The three potential chapters lost b. Marianne and Mera c. CosMAKTx as they cited the turmoil of the BOD as one of their reasons for disbanding.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 8, 2019, at 11:19 PM, Lady Ozma jacalynstanley@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Definitely read the note from the acting president about resignations. 


At this time the only motion not seconded is the motion concerning a public apology.  Are you seconding that? 

Jacalyn 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2019, at 10:53 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

I definitely AM biased, and I also refuse to accept those resignations because WE are the cause of them!
Kevin would/will be an excellent officer at any level, as will Jan.  
I'm happy to second any motion that has not yet been seconded. I would have chimed in sooner but I work and sleep while most of this is going on.  
I'm old and tired.  Please bear with me.
Elaine M


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Vicky ayekasong@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 9:48 PM
To: BOD-ICG <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Slack updates 11/6/2019 Part 2
 
 

Good evening,

 

Here is Part 2 of today’s Slack updates.

 

Vicky Assarattanakul

 

Jeanine Swick  1 hour ago

The chapter that left because it felt unsupported since they had joined. I have been stressing that fact that new chapters join and then left to sink or swim all on their own with no support system for them. Members come and go all the time with no comment about them leaving.

 

Dragan Rose 7:29 PM

Quick question, how are we doing nominations for VP in the interim? I would like to nominate Jan Price for Vice President. She has given me her ok. Right now she is only on ICG-D on Yahoo.

 

Judy Mitchell 8:08 PM

According to Mera's instructions, anouncing on the D list is fine, and since she is on the D list she can answer to confirm her acceptance.

 

Abigail Welsher 8:25 PM

Personally, having reviewed everything that has happened in regards to all of this, I believe that there has been some major miscommunication all around. Bringing in a new  President and Vice President at the same time seems absurd to me. It would just result in more chaos. As a result, I feel that I need to reject Mera’s resignation and ask her to please consider finishing her elected term.

 

Jacalyn Boggs  14 minutes ago

I am seconding this sentiment. I have talked with multiple members of the BOD as well as both Mera and Marianne about this.

Also sent to the channel

 

Jeanine Swick  7 minutes ago

The members nominated for office are long time and very experienced people. They both have a much longer history and deeper knowledge base than either of you.

Also sent to the channel

 

Jeanine Swick  < 1 minute ago

We need people who actually have a clue on how to run an organization to get everything back on track. All you have been doing is constantly throwing fuel on the fire that you started. Abagail as an alt can not make any motions.

 

Jacalyn Boggs 8:27 PM

I motion for The ICG Board to issue a formal and public apology to a. The three potential chapters lost b. Marianne and Mera c. CosMAKTx as they cited the turmoil of the BOD as one of their reasons for disbanding.

 

Jeanine Swick  12 minutes ago

Getand state your facts correctly! They also felt unsupported by the ICG the other just added to it.

 

Judy Mitchell 8:40 PM

Jan Price has been VP before, she is not new to the position. Kevin Roche has been chapter president in SiWeb as well as con chair for a few costumecons and worldcons, he is also a long time member of icg and can easily manage the position of President. Putting either or both of them in as interim officers will in no way cause any hardship to the running of the Corp if that's what you are afraid of. Newbies stepping in? Yes, that would be a concern; but not them.

 

Abigail Welsher 8:44 PM

It wasn’t a motion. It was a request and my personal opinion, which last I checked I am allowed to have. I neither agree nor disagree with any particular person in this. I just see how it looks from an unbiased position.

 

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14672 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: After review
After re-reading and reflecting upon the issues that have arisen since the 5 year plan proposal in March, I’d like to make a few statements.

1. It’s perfectly understandable that the 5 year plan created strong feelings and was the catalyst that created the conditions that allowed this current conflict to boil over. The way it was presented did create the climate that has allowed for the creation of these issues. I hope that everyone can forgive this mistake.
2. We are all human, and sometimes that means that our mistakes are hard for us to see, and difficult to find a path that allows for us to continue. At the risk of sounding like Yoda... Frustration leads to anger, anger leads to what has occurred. I would appreciate it if everyone would consider forgiving others that they are upset with, acknowledging their own parts in this, and agreeing to leave it in the past and work together to move forward. There’s an institutional memory that many of our members, me included, do not have as we weren’t here. Assuming someone else’s motivations isn’t productive or conducive to a collaborative environment like this. If something is brought up that triggers a memory of something that has come before, I would greatly appreciate hearing the story from the past as a cautionary tale so that everyone understands the perspective. That way, everyone can continue in the spirit of collaboration and work towards the organizations goals instead of accidentally stepping on other’s toes.
3. As to my leadership style, I feel the need to correct something that has been said. I am not, as alleged, a narcissist. In fact, I suffer from a terrible issue with self-esteem and issues with social anxiety. I have worked on this for most of my life. If you’ve had experience with me in person, this translates to the awkward deer in headlights look I sometimes have as I process conversation. Many may have noticed that I do better by phone, as online social interactions can be just as problematic for me. If you’ve ever seen my Facebook profile, you can probably understand why this is. I’ve spent the vast majority of my life being bullied or dealing with bullying in one form or fashion. I don’t do well with direct confrontation, and as such, am generally considered a mediator. I prefer to work in the spirit of collaboration. I tell you this, because, if I remain a part of the BoD, I will not engage in confrontation, but will instead look for ways to diffuse hurt feelings, de-escalate conflict, and find ways to help all parties communicate effectively and not emotionally. Please be prepared for that should the situation arise.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14673 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: Motion 11-6-2019-1a
Pierre has asked me to repost the current language of Motion #11-6-2019-1a because he has received many questions.  Currently the timelines do need to be revised and I am working with Pierre on the best way to do that.  Here is the current text:

Motion # 11-6-2019-1a: motion for The ICG Board to solicit three quotes and hire an international lawyer to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination policy c. An anti-harassment policy to be received no later than 31 December 2019 so that a vote can be completed no later than 31 January 2020.

I’m wondering if a friendly amendment process may be better for this, where the motioner and amenders can get together and agree on language that can then be presented for objection in a two to five day period and if there’s no objection then discussion on the friendly amendment and voting would occur on the original motions timelines.  Would that be agreeable?

Also, I am looking into installing a calendar to track motions and amendments so that it is easy to see what motions are currently under discussion, vote, or amendment.  Would this be helpful?

And, with regard to creating new channels, I’d like everyone’s thoughts on the best way to organize these discussions.

To avoid any further issues with communication, I would like to suggest creating a “Policy committee” to draft policies and procedures including, but not limited to, harassment, non-discrimination, code of conduct, privacy, and any other policies or procedures necessary to ensure that the issues of the past few months are able to properly be addressed should they ever occur again in the future.  If you would like to chair the committee or volunteer to be on it please comment here.  The committee would be asked to present its drafts and documents by January 31, 2019.  This way, we should be able to have a document review done by an attorney by February 29, 2020, and can put that document out to the board for review before CostumeCon and short discussion (10 to 15 minutes) as part of the business at CostumeCon, then finalize the document after CostumeCon and hold the vote by the end of May, 2020.

If this seems reasonable to everyone, then while the Policy committee is being formed and completing its work, and until the adoption of formal policy, I suggest the following temporary policy be used in official communications on Slack and YahooGroups:

1. Language and Tone:  Professional courtesy in language and behavior is required.  Typing in all caps, submitting “rapid-fire” posts in an attempt to control the conversation, being disrespectful to others, or any other behavior deemed unprofessional is unacceptable.  
2. Timing of Posts and Business:  All posts to Slack or Yahoo groups must be during hours when it is reasonable that others can see and consider them, and must occur in a manner that gives others a chance to respond.  Once a post is made, please allow at least 24 to 48 hours for others to see and process the information and make comments before making additional comments.  Also, do not flood the boards with posts on multiple topics.
3. Post transparency:  Please preface your posts with your name (if your name is a screen name and not your legal name as on your membership), your chapter, and your role in the BoD channel. (For example: Lady Ozma: (Jacalyn Boggs, NOVA BoD Rep) Comment)  If you are citing material, please post a link to the material, not only a screenshot, unless linking is not possible as in referencing a previous comment in another Slack channel.  Also, keep all comments on the appropriate thread instead of sending them to the channel and creating a new thread for ease of navigation and clarity.

I feel like this may better address the need for these policies in a way that allows everyone to have a voice in their creation, as opposed to continuing motions and amendments to motions to accomplish a mutual goal.  Timelines are difficult towards the end of the year, and if everything can be maintained as civil and focus towards the production of these policies then I believe we can create something much more applicable to this organization than a “boiler plate” or document that is drafted by an attorney who is unfamiliar with the organization or the issues specific and inherent to the costuming community such as “Cosplay is not consent”, et al.  Also, document reviews are generally less costly than document creation, in my experience.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 6, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:


The existing motion 11-6-2019-1 has been motioned for amendment by Judy Mitchell and rewritten by the motioner, Jacalyn Boggs.  The motion is amended as:

Motion # 11-6-2019-1:  motion for The ICG Board to solicit three quotes and hire an international lawyer to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination policy c. An anti-harassment policy to be received no later than 31 December 2019 so that a vote can be completed no later than 31 January 2020.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 6, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:


Again - and the last time I will say this:  we are not in recess.  I asked that y’all please be considerate and hold any motions that you didn’t deem urgent until Ron got here.  The chapter couldn’t be held, it’s a petition, we handle those as they come in.

And Jacalyn is making motions that she deems of urgent nature on behalf of her chapter.  I have asked if she believes they must be handled immediately and she has given good cause for them to be imperative for her chapter.  I have acknowledged them, and given one a motion number.

I will do the same for any of you who wish to raise motions.  That includes the budget, which still hasn’t been motioned.  Some business just has to be dealt with.  Essentially, I’m done on Sunday so there’s no vote tallying or anything else I need to handle, and no one can argue I have anything else to do with this, so this is fine.

As for the expense, certainly something worth discussing, I agree.  Y’all have fun with that.

Conversations are to remain civil.  Pretend there’s a code of conduct.  I don’t want to move this board to moderated comments.

And - for the record - disagreeing with someone isn’t being uncivil as long as it isn’t phrased in an uncivil matter.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 6, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  


On Oct 26, 2019, this was posted by Mera when announcing Ron would become our presiding officer:
merarose:mermaid: [4:40 PM]
snipped for the pertinent part*In other words, unless there’s
that absolutely can’t wait, please keep all remaining business matters other than nominations on hold until Ron is available, in roughly 2 weeks.*Cordially,
Mera BabineauxWhat has been   put forward as motions is completely out of line at this time. Neither of the motions are for   a "super urgent thing"

Jeanine

On 11/6/2019 4:18 PM, Jacalyn Stanley jacalynstanley@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:
 

I am making a motion for The ICG Board to hire an international lawyer to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination policy c. An anti-harassment policy to be received no later than 31 December 2019 so that a vote can be completed no later than 31 January 2020.  Let’s start the new year off right.


Jacalyn Boggs

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14674 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: On current motions on the floor
With regards to the 5 year plan: I will put together the information in a better document form so that the substance of it can be reviewed by anyone is interested. I promise that I will NOT attempt to advance anything in the 5 year plan, but will leave it for appropriate discussion if anyone else should want to. This is a draft document. I don’t think it’s ready to consider it a formal document of the corporation, and so this will just be a reference document. If anyone would like to take it up as a formal project, please discuss it in the BoD group.

I would also like to continue with the survey for members. I’d like to conduct a survey of non-members also because I think it would be beneficial to get the perspective of those not in the organization on the organization, so that we can consider that in PR campaigns and other future endeavors. And I’d like to create an #agenda channel on Slack that can keep track of current business before the board.

What are everyone’s thoughts on this? Would a rewritten document be helpful or should it just be declared dead? Should we move on with surveys?

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14675 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: On current motions on the floor
Forgive - I miscopied text from Slack and pasted into the wrong email subject. This is actually the post made regarding current motions on the floor, the other will be resent with it’s appropriate subject.

————-
With the number of motions and issues on the floor, I have some suggestions to try and handle these in a more efficient and cost-effective manner.

1. There is an organization called Maryland Non-Profits that Sarah Richardson introduced me to. We can pay an annual fee and have access to a myriad of resources including non-profit attorneys, accounting and financial advisors, non-profit consultants, and a network of non-profit professional specialists that may be able to help us with some of the substance and issues behind these motions. I have a conference call set on Monday at 10:30am EST with one of their consultants to discuss the possible benefits to our organization and the cost. I’m more than happy to set this up as an actual conference call so that any member of the BoD that is interested in participating so that everyone has the opportunity to ask questions and get the information they would like to see if this will benefit the organization. I will draft up the information from the call and post it for everyone to review and discuss. If it appears that this will be a good service at a cost we can afford, and the board agrees, then I would make a request to add it as a line item to the budget.
2. I would like to suggest creating a communications committee of members from Tech and PR to focus on immediate strategies to streamline our communications and determine the cost of stable communications.

What are everyone’s thoughts on these suggestions?

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> With regards to the 5 year plan: I will put together the information in a better document form so that the substance of it can be reviewed by anyone is interested. I promise that I will NOT attempt to advance anything in the 5 year plan, but will leave it for appropriate discussion if anyone else should want to. This is a draft document. I don’t think it’s ready to consider it a formal document of the corporation, and so this will just be a reference document. If anyone would like to take it up as a formal project, please discuss it in the BoD group.
>
> I would also like to continue with the survey for members. I’d like to conduct a survey of non-members also because I think it would be beneficial to get the perspective of those not in the organization on the organization, so that we can consider that in PR campaigns and other future endeavors. And I’d like to create an #agenda channel on Slack that can keep track of current business before the board.
>
> What are everyone’s thoughts on this? Would a rewritten document be helpful or should it just be declared dead? Should we move on with surveys?
>
> Cordially,
> Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14676 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: 5 year plan/surveys request for input
With regards to the 5 year plan: I will put together the information in a better document form so that the substance of it can be reviewed by anyone who is interested. I promise that I will NOT attempt to advance anything in the 5 year plan, but will leave it for appropriate discussion if anyone else should want to. This is a draft document. I don’t think it’s ready to consider it a formal document of the corporation, and so this will just be a reference document. If anyone would like to take it up as a formal project, please discuss it in the BoD group.

I would also like to continue with the survey for members. I’d like to conduct a survey of non-members also because I think it would be beneficial to get the perspective of those not in the organization on the organization, so that we can consider that in PR campaigns and other future endeavors. And I’d like to create an #agenda channel on Slack that can keep track of current business before the board.

What are everyone’s thoughts on this? Would a rewritten document be helpful or should it just be declared dead? Should we move on with surveys?

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14677 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: On current motions on the floor
Elaine Mami, LACE Pres.
Mera,
I get nervous with a 5-year or any time-related plan.  If a time-related plan has a real end (a CC or WorldCon), I'm comfortable with it.  Coming to the end of the planned time and not getting the final result in the time "allowed," could encourage rushing to git 'er dun in time, which could leave us with a less-than-ideal result.  (Or worse, another re-write!)
Yes, I get uncomfortable unless the end is more open-ended. 
I prefer someone more capable than myself to figure this out, as I am very good a pointing out problems; solutions, not so much.
Elaine

From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 1:06 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] On current motions on the floor
 
 

With regards to the 5 year plan: I will put together the information in a better document form so that the substance of it can be reviewed by anyone is interested. I promise that I will NOT attempt to advance anything in the 5 year plan, but will leave it for appropriate discussion if anyone else should want to. This is a draft document. I don’t think it’s ready to consider it a formal document of the corporation, and so this will just be a reference document. If anyone would like to take it up as a formal project, please discuss it in the BoD group.

I would also like to continue with the survey for members. I’d like to conduct a survey of non-members also because I think it would be beneficial to get the perspective of those not in the organization on the organization, so that we can consider that in PR campaigns and other future endeavors. And I’d like to create an #agenda channel on Slack that can keep track of current business before the board.

What are everyone’s thoughts on this? Would a rewritten document be helpful or should it just be declared dead? Should we move on with surveys?

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14678 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: On current motions on the floor
I think that’s a great point, as many of those goals and ideas presented may require more than 5 years, which is why I wonder if, at this point, it’s just better to use it as a reference for ideas and not actually try to make it a real guidance document...  

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 9, 2019, at 7:52 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Elaine Mami, LACE Pres.
Mera,
I get nervous with a 5-year or any time-related plan.  If a time-related plan has a real end (a CC or WorldCon), I'm comfortable with it.  Coming to the end of the planned time and not getting the final result in the time "allowed," could encourage rushing to git 'er dun in time, which could leave us with a less-than-ideal result..  (Or worse, another re-write!)
Yes, I get uncomfortable unless the end is more open-ended. 
I prefer someone more capable than myself to figure this out, as I am very good a pointing out problems; solutions, not so much.
Elaine

From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 1:06 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] On current motions on the floor
 
 

With regards to the 5 year plan: I will put together the information in a better document form so that the substance of it can be reviewed by anyone is interested. I promise that I will NOT attempt to advance anything in the 5 year plan, but will leave it for appropriate discussion if anyone else should want to. This is a draft document. I don’t think it’s ready to consider it a formal document of the corporation, and so this will just be a reference document. If anyone would like to take it up as a formal project, please discuss it in the BoD group.

I would also like to continue with the survey for members. I’d like to conduct a survey of non-members also because I think it would be beneficial to get the perspective of those not in the organization on the organization, so that we can consider that in PR campaigns and other future endeavors. And I’d like to create an #agenda channel on Slack that can keep track of current business before the board.

What are everyone’s thoughts on this? Would a rewritten document be helpful or should it just be declared dead? Should we move on with surveys?

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14679 From: Vicky Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Anime Boston request

Good evening all:

Because this is ongoing business that has gotten lost in the shuffle:

Anime Boston has requested recognition from the ICG as an international level competition. I am chairing the committee to process their request. As of right now, there are only 3 of us on the committee, and none of us has run an international level masquerade, so I am putting out another call for anyone interested in processing this request. I would particularly love the input of some of you who have run masquerades at Worldcon, CC, and Anime North. While we are doing most of the discussion on Slack, I am also more than happy to accommodate anyone who needs to use e-mail as a primary means of communication. Please let me know if you are interested in joining the committee.

 

Thank you,

Vicky Assarattanakul

 

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14680 From: Vicky Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Slack updates 11/9/2019

Good evening,

 

Mera has posted most of the information that has appeared on Slack today, but there are a few extra bits of business.

 

Vicky Assarattanakul

--

 

Aurora Celeste Today at 8:36 AM

So is the board in recess or is it not in recess?  How much more confusing can this get?

 

Lady Ozma  11 hours ago

This is an informal recess until noon today due to some clean up that needed to get sent to the Board and General Membership and we didn't need any distractions happening at the same time.  If you read the various things posted between Mrea and Ron it will explain much of what is going on.

 

Lady Ozma  11 hours ago

I appreciate you asking. Some of us were quite busy yesterday and just honestly needed to work distraction free.

 

Aurora Celeste  11 hours ago

Then why is Mera posting more motions?  Does informal recess mean no business?

 

Judy Mitchell  11 hours ago

And Elaine. Why is it an informal recess only when you (plural. Not personal) want one, but not when anyone else does?

 

Lady Ozma  11 hours ago

It was informal meaning to keep the chatter down.  That was something that she was a basic bit of housekeeping to get done with before things got moving again today and whatever that may bring. Further, she's not the only one who was doing things yesterday despite the request. Or today as you have posted and I am answering your question. Despite the informal recess, which is about the quickest way I can think of to describe it, it's not like many of us were not actually working. I was involved with tech help to two chapters, collecting the data from Mera she mentioned, etc.

 

Aurora Celeste  11 hours ago

That

 

Aurora Celeste  11 hours ago

That's not what @Pierre Pettinger said.  "As Parliamentarian I am asking everyone to suspend any further discussion on any motion on the floor or make any new motions."  That's not idle chatter.

 

Lady Ozma  11 hours ago

Judy: If you read what the parliamentarian wrote, it becomes clear.  It wasn't even a real informal recess.  That's just the most polite way and best way to describe that we just needed people to stop posting because there was some actual serious things that needed to come out after speaking with legal aid.  I suggest everyone go and read what the Parliamentarian announced and then what Mera put out. It is quite evident that yesterday was busy and we needed things to settle down so that everything could be done.

 

Judy Mitchell  11 hours ago

No one is denying that peoole were busy yesterday, please read what is being said. As look at Aurora's quote of Pierre's statement: it's quite clear on what was not to be posted.

 

Lady Ozma  11 hours ago

Fighting over this solves nothing. Better to go read and process what was written. Talk to your chapters.  Talk to your friends. She has told you what needs to be done at noon today. Trust me, she welcomes it. Please stop and respect that the Parliamentarian and the Acting President has asked us to take a step back and process information. This comment thread needs to stop right now. Come back at noon.

 

Aurora Celeste  11 hours ago

What part of what I asked was fighting?

 

Lady Ozma  11 hours ago

Not necessarily you. You started the thread off with a pretty simple question. No worries.  But please just go and read the information.  It was pretty detailed.  Talk to your BOD rep about what Mera has informed us about, especially since you aren't actually a member of the BOD, that's the quickest way to sort things out.  And have a good rest of your morning!

 

Mera Rose 10 hours ago

I was attempting to move things into the motions channel and find a way to streamline the information on motions before discussion began today as Pierre had informed me there were questions on one of the motions.  Essentially like moving around paperwork before a meeting.  Apologies for the confusion.

It’s not a recess, it’s a pause to give people time to look at information and consider it, which is made necessary by the rapid pace of conversations on slack. 

Note that others have been posting during this time anyway...  it’s ok.  It’s not out of order, but we are hoping to be able to facilitate discussion in an easier manner to follow.

 

Lady Ozma  10 hours ago

Yeah it was just an informal “sit back and chill with a day mostly off”. Not sure what was hard about that. Of course it is the president’s job to call a recess, not random members. So there’s also that. See you in an hour, Mera!

 

Jan Price 5:29 PM

Hello Everyone.  I am posting tonight to officially decline my nomination for ICG Vice President and withdraw my name for consideration at this time.  I thank everyone for their consideration and support.  My decision is based upon recent developments and the fact that I believe there is a much stronger candidate, Kevin Roche.  He has a greater depth of experience, a much high profile and excellent reputation in our community.  I am nominating Kevin Roche for Vice President.  Thanks again!

 

Mera Rose:mermaid: 5:31 PM

@kevin.p.roche Will you accept the nomination (again)?

Jeanine Swick 5:32 PM

Seconded, Jeanine Swick, SiW, ICG Treasurer

kevin.p.roche 5:36 PM

Yes, I accept.

 

Mera Rose:mermaid: 5:46 PM

Kevin Roche has been nominated for VP

 

 

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14681 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/9/2019
Subject: Re: On current motions on the floor
How about a prioritized list of the things we need to accomplish?  Of course that first requires a list, then we (Oy!) need to determine their priority.  And finally we can, in whatever way we can make it work, bite them off - one at a time - and chew them up until we get to the end.
Of course, we will continually need to address any new sh**tuff that comes up and find it a spot in the list.
Rinse
Repeat
Hopefully,
Elaine


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 8:53 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] On current motions on the floor
 
 

I think that’s a great point, as many of those goals and ideas presented may require more than 5 years, which is why I wonder if, at this point, it’s just better to use it as a reference for ideas and not actually try to make it a real guidance document...  

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 9, 2019, at 7:52 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Elaine Mami, LACE Pres.
Mera,
I get nervous with a 5-year or any time-related plan.  If a time-related plan has a real end (a CC or WorldCon), I'm comfortable with it.  Coming to the end of the planned time and not getting the final result in the time "allowed," could encourage rushing to git 'er dun in time, which could leave us with a less-than-ideal result...  (Or worse, another re-write!)
Yes, I get uncomfortable unless the end is more open-ended. 
I prefer someone more capable than myself to figure this out, as I am very good a pointing out problems; solutions, not so much.
Elaine

From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 1:06 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] On current motions on the floor
 
 

With regards to the 5 year plan: I will put together the information in a better document form so that the substance of it can be reviewed by anyone is interested. I promise that I will NOT attempt to advance anything in the 5 year plan, but will leave it for appropriate discussion if anyone else should want to. This is a draft document. I don’t think it’s ready to consider it a formal document of the corporation, and so this will just be a reference document. If anyone would like to take it up as a formal project, please discuss it in the BoD group.

I would also like to continue with the survey for members. I’d like to conduct a survey of non-members also because I think it would be beneficial to get the perspective of those not in the organization on the organization, so that we can consider that in PR campaigns and other future endeavors. And I’d like to create an #agenda channel on Slack that can keep track of current business before the board.

What are everyone’s thoughts on this? Would a rewritten document be helpful or should it just be declared dead? Should we move on with surveys?

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14682 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/10/2019
Subject: Reminder to vote
The vote to accept the Ohio River Valley Chapter (Cosplay United) ends tonight at 6:51pm EST. Please go to the pinned posts in the Slack #boardofdirectors channel to cast your vote.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14683 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/10/2019
Subject: Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
The motion to accept the new chapter petition for the Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter carries: 14 yes, 0 no, 1 abstention.

Please join me in welcoming them to the ICG!

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14684 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/10/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
Welcome!  We are happy to have you, and to fill the void in your part of the country.

We hope to see lots of you at CostumeCons!

Elaine M.
LACE Pres.


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 7:08 PM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
 
 

The motion to accept the new chapter petition for the Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter carries: 14 yes, 0 no, 1 abstention.

Please join me in welcoming them to the ICG!

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14685 From: Byron P Connell Date: 11/11/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
Please extend a warm welcome from the Sick Pups (NJ-NY Chapter)!

Byron


On Nov 10, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The motion to accept the new chapter petition for the Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter carries: 14 yes, 0 no, 1 abstention.

Please join me in welcoming them to the ICG!

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14686 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/11/2019
Subject: Maryland Non-Profits (was Re: On current motions on the floor)
The cost to join Maryland NonProfits is $100 annually and gives us access to attorneys, accountants, non-profit consultants, and other benefits as listed on their website: https://www.marylandnonprofits.org/what-we-offer/membership/

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Forgive - I miscopied text from Slack and pasted into the wrong email subject. This is actually the post made regarding current motions on the floor, the other will be resent with it’s appropriate subject.
>
> ————-
> With the number of motions and issues on the floor, I have some suggestions to try and handle these in a more efficient and cost-effective manner.
>
> 1. There is an organization called Maryland Non-Profits that Sarah Richardson introduced me to. We can pay an annual fee and have access to a myriad of resources including non-profit attorneys, accounting and financial advisors, non-profit consultants, and a network of non-profit professional specialists that may be able to help us with some of the substance and issues behind these motions. I have a conference call set on Monday at 10:30am EST with one of their consultants to discuss the possible benefits to our organization and the cost. I’m more than happy to set this up as an actual conference call so that any member of the BoD that is interested in participating so that everyone has the opportunity to ask questions and get the information they would like to see if this will benefit the organization. I will draft up the information from the call and post it for everyone to review and discuss. If it appears that this will be a good service at a cost we can afford, and the board agrees, then I would make a request to add it as a line item to the budget.
> 2. I would like to suggest creating a communications committee of members from Tech and PR to focus on immediate strategies to streamline our communications and determine the cost of stable communications.
>
> What are everyone’s thoughts on these suggestions?
>
> Cordially,
> Mera Babineaux
>
>> On Nov 9, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> With regards to the 5 year plan: I will put together the information in a better document form so that the substance of it can be reviewed by anyone is interested. I promise that I will NOT attempt to advance anything in the 5 year plan, but will leave it for appropriate discussion if anyone else should want to. This is a draft document. I don’t think it’s ready to consider it a formal document of the corporation, and so this will just be a reference document. If anyone would like to take it up as a formal project, please discuss it in the BoD group.
>>
>> I would also like to continue with the survey for members. I’d like to conduct a survey of non-members also because I think it would be beneficial to get the perspective of those not in the organization on the organization, so that we can consider that in PR campaigns and other future endeavors. And I’d like to create an #agenda channel on Slack that can keep track of current business before the board.
>>
>> What are everyone’s thoughts on this? Would a rewritten document be helpful or should it just be declared dead? Should we move on with surveys?
>>
>> Cordially,
>> Mera Babineaux
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14687 From: lordteth@icloud.com Date: 11/11/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
Thanks for the warm welcome guys, We are all very excited to be a part of this organization and we hope to represent you in the highest light in this area of the country.

-Randy
Cosplay United
Ohio River Valley Chapter
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14688 From: Vicky Date: 11/11/2019
Subject: Slack Updates 11/11/2019

For our costumers who are veterans and active military, thank you for your service.

 

Here are today’s Slack updates. Please post your comments in Slack or in Yahoo and I will cross post accordingly.

 

Thank you,

Vicky Assarattanakul

 

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Judy Mitchell 8:45 AM

Ok, Mera, I'll repost my amendment to make it easier for you to find from the backlog. I have boldfaced the 2 parts that I am amended from the original main motion, to make it easier to see what the actual amendment is.

 

Mera Rose 8 hours ago

Thanks.  This thread did get very confusing.  I appreciate it.

 

Judy Mitchell 8:46 AM

Amendment to Motion 11-6-2019-1 should be reading:  I move that the vote be changed to investigating the hiring of a MD based international lawyer to provide a) A Code of Conduct b) a non-discrimination policy c) an Anti-harassment policy with a minimum of three (3) quotes to be compared before voting on which lawyer to go with to be received ........(continuing to the rest of the motion unchanged)

 

Mera Rose 8 hours ago

@Lady Ozma this was the proposed friendly amendment.  Good with the changes?

 

Judy Mitchell 8:47 AM

and now I'm off to the hospital, where frustratingly they have no outlets in ICU that I can plug my charger in. so I am offline until I get home sometime tonight!

 

Mera Rose 8 hours ago

I hope all goes well.  Feel free to contact me if you need updates here in the meantime.

 

Mera Rose Today at 4:21 PM

Please welcome Randy Smith, President of the new Ohio River Valley Chapter “Cosplay United”!

 

kevin.p.roche  1 hour ago

Welcome, Randy!

 

Merrily  1 hour ago

Glad to have you

 

Vicky Assarattanakul  2 minutes ago

Welcome! Glad you have found your way here!

 

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14689 From: ECM Mami Date: 11/11/2019
Subject: Re: Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
And from LACE (SoAZ)

Elaine



From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Byron P Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:54 AM
To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Byron Connell <byronpconnell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter
 
 

Please extend a warm welcome from the Sick Pups (NJ-NY Chapter)!

Byron

On Nov 10, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The motion to accept the new chapter petition for the Ohio River Valley (aka Cosplay United) Chapter carries: 14 yes, 0 no, 1 abstention.

Please join me in welcoming them to the ICG!

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14690 From: Vicky Date: 11/12/2019
Subject: Slack updates 11/12/2019

Good evening everyone,

 

Here are today’s updates from Slack.

 

Vicky Assarattanakul

 

 

Lady Ozma Today at 8:47 AM

I would like everyone to look at Maryland Nonprofits, the organization Mera has been talking to recently.  GCFCG found them and they sound like a promising way to move forward on some of the motions we have on the floor.  They are very reasonably priced and might be a good resource for our much needed legal documents, finding B&O insurance, and for connecting with other nonprofits. I'm also fine with making a motion, if necessary, to use them.

 

Lady Ozma  11 hours ago

https://www.marylandnonprofits.org/what-we-offer/membership/

 

Judy Mitchell  11 hours ago

They look very helpful, but do they handle international wording? Our whole thing here is to remember we have members/chapters/conventions in Canada that do not use some of our MD laws/phrasing.

 

Mera Rose 11 hours ago

I’ve talked with their general counsel and with one of the consultants, and several of their clients are international in nature.  They indicated that our needs are not outside of their scope.

 

Judy Mitchell  11 hours ago

Good to know

 

Lady Ozma  11 hours ago

That’s what it looked like to me. We have something like that here in VA and they can handle it too. Idk if that’s normal or just a “due to DC Adjacent”… The nonprofits I’ve worked with in other states we’re not international in nature so I don’t know about elsewhere.

 

Lady Ozma  11 hours ago

Judy I would definitely recommend looking around their website when you have time and you can always call them and ask your questions if you really wanted something answer… They seem like a pretty solid group.

 

 

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14691 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/13/2019
Subject: Notice of Intent to Add Expenditure to 2019 budget from the Acting P
To all members of the Board of Directors:

Under standing rule 30(b), I am notifying the board that I intend to add $100 to the current 2019 budget, to contract the services of Maryland Non-Profits as they can assist with the current legal issues including anti-discrimination and harassment policy, code of conduct, standing rules, and bylaws amendments and changes suggested and needed that are before the board for consideration.  Their services are vast and can aid us in the future as well through consulting, membership growth, accounting, legal, and fundraising assistance.  The full list of their member services can be found here:  https://www.marylandnonprofits.org/

If any BoD objects to this expenditure, please do so in the next 7 days (by 11/20/2019).  If there is no objection by this date, then I ask the treasurer to make payment to Maryland Non-Profits in the amount of $100 to become a member organization able to access their benefits for 2019, as a line item entitled “legal and consulting services” in the 2019 budget and continuing for 2020 and beyond.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux, Acting President
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14692 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/13/2019
Subject: Re: Notice of Intent to Add Expenditure to 2019 budget from the Acti
From what I have read, I support this budget amendment.

Byron


On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


To all members of the Board of Directors:

Under standing rule 30(b), I am notifying the board that I intend to add $100 to the current 2019 budget, to contract the services of Maryland Non-Profits as they can assist with the current legal issues including anti-discrimination and harassment policy, code of conduct, standing rules, and bylaws amendments and changes suggested and needed that are before the board for consideration.  Their services are vast and can aid us in the future as well through consulting, membership growth, accounting, legal, and fundraising assistance.  The full list of their member services can be found here:  https://www.marylandnonprofits.org/

If any BoD objects to this expenditure, please do so in the next 7 days (by 11/20/2019).  If there is no objection by this date, then I ask the treasurer to make payment to Maryland Non-Profits in the amount of $100 to become a member organization able to access their benefits for 2019, as a line item entitled “legal and consulting services” in the 2019 budget and continuing for 2020 and beyond.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux, Acting President


Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14693 From: Anne Davenport Date: 11/13/2019
Subject: Re: On current motions on the floor
I am all in favor of more information and communication. Silicon Web has a tech/communication committee. Do any other Chapters have those?  Can we learn from what they've done (like find a reliable replacement for Yahoo).

Pleeeeeeze before surveying, post the questions to the board. And give the board a couple weeks to suggest other questions.



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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 9:52 PM ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

How about a prioritized list of the things we need to accomplish?  Of course that first requires a list, then we (Oy!) need to determine their priority.  And finally we can, in whatever way we can make it work, bite them off - one at a time - and chew them up until we get to the end.
Of course, we will continually need to address any new sh**tuff that comes up and find it a spot in the list.
Rinse
Repeat
Hopefully,
Elaine


From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] On current motions on the floor
 
 

I think that’s a great point, as many of those goals and ideas presented may require more than 5 years, which is why I wonder if, at this point, it’s just better to use it as a reference for ideas and not actually try to make it a real guidance document...  

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 9, 2019, at 7:52 PM, ECM Mami ecmami@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Elaine Mami, LACE Pres.
Mera,
I get nervous with a 5-year or any time-related plan.  If a time-related plan has a real end (a CC or WorldCon), I'm comfortable with it.  Coming to the end of the planned time and not getting the final result in the time "allowed," could encourage rushing to git 'er dun in time, which could leave us with a less-than-ideal result...  (Or worse, another re-write!)
Yes, I get uncomfortable unless the end is more open-ended. 
I prefer someone more capable than myself to figure this out, as I am very good a pointing out problems; solutions, not so much.
Elaine

From: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
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To: ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ICG-BOD] On current motions on the floor
 
 

With regards to the 5 year plan: I will put together the information in a better document form so that the substance of it can be reviewed by anyone is interested. I promise that I will NOT attempt to advance anything in the 5 year plan, but will leave it for appropriate discussion if anyone else should want to. This is a draft document. I don’t think it’s ready to consider it a formal document of the corporation, and so this will just be a reference document. If anyone would like to take it up as a formal project, please discuss it in the BoD group.

I would also like to continue with the survey for members. I’d like to conduct a survey of non-members also because I think it would be beneficial to get the perspective of those not in the organization on the organization, so that we can consider that in PR campaigns and other future endeavors. And I’d like to create an #agenda channel on Slack that can keep track of current business before the board.

What are everyone’s thoughts on this? Would a rewritten document be helpful or should it just be declared dead? Should we move on with surveys?

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14694 From: Anne Davenport Date: 11/13/2019
Subject: Re: Anime Boston request
I do not have the experience you're looking for, but I'm just curious, what conventions have masquerades at international level now?

Worldcon, I assume (Kevin Roche was masquerade director this year, but he's kind of busy right now)
CostumeCon, I assume as well (who has done masquerades for those now?)

Other conventions?  WesterCon (west coast regional convention)? Anime North?  NorwesCon (Seattle)?  Does ICG keep a list of conventions that meet this standard?  Should we?



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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 7:55 PM Vicky ayekasong@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Good evening all:

Because this is ongoing business that has gotten lost in the shuffle:

Anime Boston has requested recognition from the ICG as an international level competition. I am chairing the committee to process their request. As of right now, there are only 3 of us on the committee, and none of us has run an international level masquerade, so I am putting out another call for anyone interested in processing this request. I would particularly love the input of some of you who have run masquerades at Worldcon, CC, and Anime North. While we are doing most of the discussion on Slack, I am also more than happy to accommodate anyone who needs to use e-mail as a primary means of communication. Please let me know if you are interested in joining the committee.

 

Thank you,

Vicky Assarattanakul

 

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14695 From: Anne Davenport Date: 11/13/2019
Subject: Re: Motion 11-6-2019-1a
I think that a calendar or separate space for motions could be helpful and separate it from the BoD chatter.



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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:05 PM Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Pierre has asked me to repost the current language of Motion #11-6-2019-1a because he has received many questions.  Currently the timelines do need to be revised and I am working with Pierre on the best way to do that.  Here is the current text:

Motion # 11-6-2019-1a: motion for The ICG Board to solicit three quotes and hire an international lawyer to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination policy c. An anti-harassment policy to be received no later than 31 December 2019 so that a vote can be completed no later than 31 January 2020.

I’m wondering if a friendly amendment process may be better for this, where the motioner and amenders can get together and agree on language that can then be presented for objection in a two to five day period and if there’s no objection then discussion on the friendly amendment and voting would occur on the original motions timelines.  Would that be agreeable?

Also, I am looking into installing a calendar to track motions and amendments so that it is easy to see what motions are currently under discussion, vote, or amendment.  Would this be helpful?

And, with regard to creating new channels, I’d like everyone’s thoughts on the best way to organize these discussions.

To avoid any further issues with communication, I would like to suggest creating a “Policy committee” to draft policies and procedures including, but not limited to, harassment, non-discrimination, code of conduct, privacy, and any other policies or procedures necessary to ensure that the issues of the past few months are able to properly be addressed should they ever occur again in the future.  If you would like to chair the committee or volunteer to be on it please comment here.  The committee would be asked to present its drafts and documents by January 31, 2019.  This way, we should be able to have a document review done by an attorney by February 29, 2020, and can put that document out to the board for review before CostumeCon and short discussion (10 to 15 minutes) as part of the business at CostumeCon, then finalize the document after CostumeCon and hold the vote by the end of May, 2020.

If this seems reasonable to everyone, then while the Policy committee is being formed and completing its work, and until the adoption of formal policy, I suggest the following temporary policy be used in official communications on Slack and YahooGroups:

1. Language and Tone:  Professional courtesy in language and behavior is required.  Typing in all caps, submitting “rapid-fire” posts in an attempt to control the conversation, being disrespectful to others, or any other behavior deemed unprofessional is unacceptable.  
2. Timing of Posts and Business:  All posts to Slack or Yahoo groups must be during hours when it is reasonable that others can see and consider them, and must occur in a manner that gives others a chance to respond.  Once a post is made, please allow at least 24 to 48 hours for others to see and process the information and make comments before making additional comments.  Also, do not flood the boards with posts on multiple topics.
3. Post transparency:  Please preface your posts with your name (if your name is a screen name and not your legal name as on your membership), your chapter, and your role in the BoD channel. (For example: Lady Ozma: (Jacalyn Boggs, NOVA BoD Rep) Comment)  If you are citing material, please post a link to the material, not only a screenshot, unless linking is not possible as in referencing a previous comment in another Slack channel.  Also, keep all comments on the appropriate thread instead of sending them to the channel and creating a new thread for ease of navigation and clarity.

I feel like this may better address the need for these policies in a way that allows everyone to have a voice in their creation, as opposed to continuing motions and amendments to motions to accomplish a mutual goal.  Timelines are difficult towards the end of the year, and if everything can be maintained as civil and focus towards the production of these policies then I believe we can create something much more applicable to this organization than a “boiler plate” or document that is drafted by an attorney who is unfamiliar with the organization or the issues specific and inherent to the costuming community such as “Cosplay is not consent”, et al.  Also, document reviews are generally less costly than document creation, in my experience.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 6, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:


The existing motion 11-6-2019-1 has been motioned for amendment by Judy Mitchell and rewritten by the motioner, Jacalyn Boggs.  The motion is amended as:

Motion # 11-6-2019-1:  motion for The ICG Board to solicit three quotes and hire an international lawyer to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination policy c. An anti-harassment policy to be received no later than 31 December 2019 so that a vote can be completed no later than 31 January 2020.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 6, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:


Again - and the last time I will say this:  we are not in recess.  I asked that y’all please be considerate and hold any motions that you didn’t deem urgent until Ron got here.  The chapter couldn’t be held, it’s a petition, we handle those as they come in.

And Jacalyn is making motions that she deems of urgent nature on behalf of her chapter.  I have asked if she believes they must be handled immediately and she has given good cause for them to be imperative for her chapter.  I have acknowledged them, and given one a motion number.

I will do the same for any of you who wish to raise motions.  That includes the budget, which still hasn’t been motioned.  Some business just has to be dealt with.  Essentially, I’m done on Sunday so there’s no vote tallying or anything else I need to handle, and no one can argue I have anything else to do with this, so this is fine.

As for the expense, certainly something worth discussing, I agree.  Y’all have fun with that.

Conversations are to remain civil.  Pretend there’s a code of conduct.  I don’t want to move this board to moderated comments.

And - for the record - disagreeing with someone isn’t being uncivil as long as it isn’t phrased in an uncivil matter.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 6, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat..net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  


On Oct 26, 2019, this was posted by Mera when announcing Ron would become our presiding officer:
merarose:mermaid: [4:40 PM]
snipped for the pertinent part*In other words, unless there’s
that absolutely can’t wait, please keep all remaining business matters other than nominations on hold until Ron is available, in roughly 2 weeks.*Cordially,
Mera BabineauxWhat has been  put forward as motions is completely out of line at this time. Neither of the motions are for  a "super urgent thing"

Jeanine

On 11/6/2019 4:18 PM, Jacalyn Stanley jacalynstanley@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:
 

I am making a motion for The ICG Board to hire an international lawyer to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination policy c. An anti-harassment policy to be received no later than 31 December 2019 so that a vote can be completed no later than 31 January 2020.  Let’s start the new year off right.


Jacalyn Boggs

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14696 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Anime Boston request
In addition to worldcons and costume-cons, at present, Anime North is the only other convention with a masquerade recognized as international.

Byron


On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:10 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I do not have the experience you're looking for, but I'm just curious, what conventions have masquerades at international level now?

Worldcon, I assume (Kevin Roche was masquerade director this year, but he's kind of busy right now)
CostumeCon, I assume as well (who has done masquerades for those now?)

Other conventions?  WesterCon (west coast regional convention)? Anime North?  NorwesCon (Seattle)?  Does ICG keep a list of conventions that meet this standard?  Should we?



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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 7:55 PM Vicky ayekasong@hotmail..com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Good evening all:

Because this is ongoing business that has gotten lost in the shuffle:

Anime Boston has requested recognition from the ICG as an international level competition. I am chairing the committee to process their request. As of right now, there are only 3 of us on the committee, and none of us has run an international level masquerade, so I am putting out another call for anyone interested in processing this request. I would particularly love the input of some of you who have run masquerades at Worldcon, CC, and Anime North. While we are doing most of the discussion on Slack, I am also more than happy to accommodate anyone who needs to use e-mail as a primary means of communication. Please let me know if you are interested in joining the committee.

 

Thank you,

Vicky Assarattanakul

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 




Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14697 From: Byron Connell Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Motion 11-6-2019-1a
That’s an excellent suggestion.

Byron


On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:49 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I think that a calendar or separate space for motions could be helpful and separate it from the BoD chatter..



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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:05 PM Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups..com> wrote:
 

Pierre has asked me to repost the current language of Motion #11-6-2019-1a because he has received many questions.  Currently the timelines do need to be revised and I am working with Pierre on the best way to do that.  Here is the current text:

Motion # 11-6-2019-1a: motion for The ICG Board to solicit three quotes and hire an international lawyer to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination policy c. An anti-harassment policy to be received no later than 31 December 2019 so that a vote can be completed no later than 31 January 2020.

I’m wondering if a friendly amendment process may be better for this, where the motioner and amenders can get together and agree on language that can then be presented for objection in a two to five day period and if there’s no objection then discussion on the friendly amendment and voting would occur on the original motions timelines.  Would that be agreeable?

Also, I am looking into installing a calendar to track motions and amendments so that it is easy to see what motions are currently under discussion, vote, or amendment.  Would this be helpful?

And, with regard to creating new channels, I’d like everyone’s thoughts on the best way to organize these discussions.

To avoid any further issues with communication, I would like to suggest creating a “Policy committee” to draft policies and procedures including, but not limited to, harassment, non-discrimination, code of conduct, privacy, and any other policies or procedures necessary to ensure that the issues of the past few months are able to properly be addressed should they ever occur again in the future.  If you would like to chair the committee or volunteer to be on it please comment here.  The committee would be asked to present its drafts and documents by January 31, 2019.  This way, we should be able to have a document review done by an attorney by February 29, 2020, and can put that document out to the board for review before CostumeCon and short discussion (10 to 15 minutes) as part of the business at CostumeCon, then finalize the document after CostumeCon and hold the vote by the end of May, 2020.

If this seems reasonable to everyone, then while the Policy committee is being formed and completing its work, and until the adoption of formal policy, I suggest the following temporary policy be used in official communications on Slack and YahooGroups:

1. Language and Tone:  Professional courtesy in language and behavior is required.  Typing in all caps, submitting “rapid-fire” posts in an attempt to control the conversation, being disrespectful to others, or any other behavior deemed unprofessional is unacceptable.  
2. Timing of Posts and Business:  All posts to Slack or Yahoo groups must be during hours when it is reasonable that others can see and consider them, and must occur in a manner that gives others a chance to respond.  Once a post is made, please allow at least 24 to 48 hours for others to see and process the information and make comments before making additional comments.  Also, do not flood the boards with posts on multiple topics.
3. Post transparency:  Please preface your posts with your name (if your name is a screen name and not your legal name as on your membership), your chapter, and your role in the BoD channel. (For example: Lady Ozma: (Jacalyn Boggs, NOVA BoD Rep) Comment)  If you are citing material, please post a link to the material, not only a screenshot, unless linking is not possible as in referencing a previous comment in another Slack channel.  Also, keep all comments on the appropriate thread instead of sending them to the channel and creating a new thread for ease of navigation and clarity.

I feel like this may better address the need for these policies in a way that allows everyone to have a voice in their creation, as opposed to continuing motions and amendments to motions to accomplish a mutual goal.  Timelines are difficult towards the end of the year, and if everything can be maintained as civil and focus towards the production of these policies then I believe we can create something much more applicable to this organization than a “boiler plate” or document that is drafted by an attorney who is unfamiliar with the organization or the issues specific and inherent to the costuming community such as “Cosplay is not consent”, et al.  Also, document reviews are generally less costly than document creation, in my experience.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 6, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:


The existing motion 11-6-2019-1 has been motioned for amendment by Judy Mitchell and rewritten by the motioner, Jacalyn Boggs.  The motion is amended as:

Motion # 11-6-2019-1:  motion for The ICG Board to solicit three quotes and hire an international lawyer to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination policy c. An anti-harassment policy to be received no later than 31 December 2019 so that a vote can be completed no later than 31 January 2020.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 6, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Shimmer Shade <mera.babineaux@gmail.com> wrote:


Again - and the last time I will say this:  we are not in recess.  I asked that y’all please be considerate and hold any motions that you didn’t deem urgent until Ron got here.  The chapter couldn’t be held, it’s a petition, we handle those as they come in.

And Jacalyn is making motions that she deems of urgent nature on behalf of her chapter.  I have asked if she believes they must be handled immediately and she has given good cause for them to be imperative for her chapter.  I have acknowledged them, and given one a motion number..

I will do the same for any of you who wish to raise motions.  That includes the budget, which still hasn’t been motioned.  Some business just has to be dealt with.  Essentially, I’m done on Sunday so there’s no vote tallying or anything else I need to handle, and no one can argue I have anything else to do with this, so this is fine.

As for the expense, certainly something worth discussing, I agree.  Y’all have fun with that.

Conversations are to remain civil.  Pretend there’s a code of conduct.  I don’t want to move this board to moderated comments.

And - for the record - disagreeing with someone isn’t being uncivil as long as it isn’t phrased in an uncivil matter.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 6, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat..net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  


On Oct 26, 2019, this was posted by         Mera when announcing Ron would become our presiding officer:
merarose:mermaid: [4:40 PM]
snipped for the pertinent part*In other words,         unless there’s
that absolutely can’t wait, please keep all remaining business         matters other than nominations on hold until Ron is available,         in roughly 2 weeks.*Cordially,
Mera BabineauxWhat has been  put forward as motions is         completely out of line at this time. Neither of the motions are         for  a "super         urgent thing"

Jeanine

On 11/6/2019 4:18 PM, Jacalyn Stanley jacalynstanley@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:
 

I am making a motion for The ICG Board to hire an international lawyer to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination policy c. An anti-harassment policy to be received no later than 31 December 2019 so that a vote can be completed no later than 31 January 2020.  Let’s start the new year off right.


Jacalyn Boggs





Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14698 From: Betsy R. Marks Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Motion to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1
Pending acceptance of accepted withdrawal of Motion 11-06-2019-1a:

I move to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1 to read as follows: "I move that
the ICG Board direct the ICG Finance Committee to solicit no fewer
than three (3) quotes (including expected retainers for the work) from
lawyers licensed to practice in the state of Maryland to investigate
the hiring of a lawyer, with non-profit and international law
experience and licensed in the state of Maryland, to draft language
for the following: a. A code of conduct, b. A non-discrimination
policy , and c. An anti-harassment policy applicable to a non-profit
international organization, with the intention of adding said policies
to our Standing Rules. The deadline for quotes to be compared before
voting on approval of awarding such contract shall be January 31,
2020. All quotes for services rendered and required retainers shall
be presented to the board and the membership for discussion on
February 1st, 2020 and voted on by the ICG membership at the ICG
Annual meeting in Montreal, March, 2020.

Very respectfully,
Betsy R. Marks
Silicon Web president
Representative, ICG Board of Directors

--
Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14699 From: rookwoods Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: withdrawal of amendment
(Will be crossposted on slack)
Although the acting president appears to have erroneously assumed that because I rejected the posted re-write of my amendment, which made it not my amendment anymore, that it implied that I automatically was withdrawing the amendment. That was not the case at the time I objected. However, now I will say that I do officially withdraw my amendment, 11-6-2019-1.
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14700 From: Jeanine Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Motion to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1
Seconded.

Jeanine Swick, SiW
ICG Treasurer

On 11/14/2019 5:18 PM, 'Betsy R. Marks' aramintamd@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:
 

Pending acceptance of accepted withdrawal of Motion 11-06-2019-1a:

I move to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1 to read as follows: "I move that
the ICG Board direct the ICG Finance Committee to solicit no fewer
than three (3) quotes (including expected retainers for the work) from
lawyers licensed to practice in the state of Maryland to investigate
the hiring of a lawyer, with non-profit and international law
experience and licensed in the state of Maryland, to draft language
for the following: a. A code of conduct, b. A non-discrimination
policy , and c. An anti-harassment policy applicable to a non-profit
international organization, with the intention of adding said policies
to our Standing Rules. The deadline for quotes to be compared before
voting on approval of awarding such contract shall be January 31,
2020. All quotes for services rendered and required retainers shall
be presented to the board and the membership for discussion on
February 1st, 2020 and voted on by the ICG membership at the ICG
Annual meeting in Montreal, March, 2020.

Very respectfully,
Betsy R. Marks
Silicon Web president
Representative, ICG Board of Directors

--
Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/


Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14701 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Motion to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1

I invite those interested to join Slack on this discussion as it is occurring quickly this evening.  That said, a full transcript will be posted once it is completed this evening.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 14, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Seconded.

Jeanine Swick, SiW
ICG Treasurer

On 11/14/2019 5:18 PM, 'Betsy R. Marks' aramintamd@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:
 

Pending acceptance of accepted withdrawal of Motion 11-06-2019-1a:

I move to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1 to read as follows: "I move that
the ICG Board direct the ICG Finance Committee to solicit no fewer
than three (3) quotes (including expected retainers for the work) from
lawyers licensed to practice in the state of Maryland to investigate
the hiring of a lawyer, with non-profit and international law
experience and licensed in the state of Maryland, to draft language
for the following: a. A code of conduct, b. A non-discrimination
policy , and c. An anti-harassment policy applicable to a non-profit
international organization, with the intention of adding said policies
to our Standing Rules. The deadline for quotes to be compared before
voting on approval of awarding such contract shall be January 31,
2020. All quotes for services rendered and required retainers shall
be presented to the board and the membership for discussion on
February 1st, 2020 and voted on by the ICG membership at the ICG
Annual meeting in Montreal, March, 2020.

Very respectfully,
Betsy R. Marks
Silicon Web president
Representative, ICG Board of Directors

--
Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/


Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14702 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: withdrawal of amendment
I didn’t assume that you withdrew Judy.  I commented on the thread where you restated the language that I needed the text of Betsy’s amendment which she said would be forthcoming when she had time because it comes before your amendment and Jacalyn’s friendly amendment as the last submitted.  I can see how it’s getting confusing though.  The amendments have to be handled in the order they were submitted.

So, if you could please clarify for me:  Are you withdrawing it in support of Betsy’s or entirely?  Wondering if you’re also still seconding Betsy’s.  

I’m working on getting the motion calendar installed and running on Slack so we can get the amendments in with their appropriate dates.  Still working out the kinks here on the tech side and making everything clear and easy to follow.

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 14, 2019, at 5:22 PM, judymitch@oldwaylane.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

(Will be crossposted on slack)
Although the acting president appears to have erroneously assumed that because I rejected the posted re-write of my amendment, which made it not my amendment anymore, that it implied that I automatically was withdrawing the amendment. That was not the case at the time I objected. However, now I will say that I do officially withdraw my amendment, 11-6-2019-1.

Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14703 From: Merrily Wolf Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Motion to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1
Mera,
Didn’t you just set in place guidelines to prevent rapid fire responses so those of us not on slack or yahoo all the time have a chance to participate?
This may be a moment to repost those as a reminder 
Merrily
GCFCG alt. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Thursday, November 14, 2019, 5:54 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


I invite those interested to join Slack on this discussion as it is occurring quickly this evening.  That said, a full transcript will be posted once it is completed this evening.


Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 14, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Seconded.

Jeanine Swick, SiW
ICG Treasurer

On 11/14/2019 5:18 PM, 'Betsy R. Marks' aramintamd@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:
 

Pending acceptance of accepted withdrawal of Motion 11-06-2019-1a:

I move to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1 to read as follows: "I move that
the ICG Board direct the ICG Finance Committee to solicit no fewer
than three (3) quotes (including expected retainers for the work) from
lawyers licensed to practice in the state of Maryland to investigate
the hiring of a lawyer, with non-profit and international law
experience and licensed in the state of Maryland, to draft language
for the following: a. A code of conduct, b. A non-discrimination
policy , and c. An anti-harassment policy applicable to a non-profit
international organization, with the intention of adding said policies
to our Standing Rules. The deadline for quotes to be compared before
voting on approval of awarding such contract shall be January 31,
2020. All quotes for services rendered and required retainers shall
be presented to the board and the membership for discussion on
February 1st, 2020 and voted on by the ICG membership at the ICG
Annual meeting in Montreal, March, 2020.

Very respectfully,
Betsy R. Marks
Silicon Web president
Representative, ICG Board of Directors

--
Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/


Group: ICG-BOD Message: 14704 From: Shimmer Shade Date: 11/14/2019
Subject: Re: Motion to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1
Why yes, Merrily, I did.  Thanks for bringing that up as it was posted but no one has responded to it...

Here’s the post Merrily is referring to:
—— Reposted ——-
To avoid any further issues with communication, I would like to suggest creating a “Policy committee” to draft policies and procedures including, but not limited to, harassment, non-discrimination, code of conduct, privacy, and any other policies or procedures necessary to ensure that the issues of the past few months are able to properly be addressed should they ever occur again in the future.  If you would like to chair the committee or volunteer to be on it please comment here.  The committee would be asked to present its drafts and documents by January 31, 2019.  This way, we should be able to have a document review done by an attorney by February 29, 2020, and can put that document out to the board for review before CostumeCon and short discussion (10 to 15 minutes) as part of the business at CostumeCon, then finalize the document after CostumeCon and hold the vote by the end of May, 2020.

If this seems reasonable to everyone, then while the Policy committee is being formed and completing its work, and until the adoption of formal policy, I suggest the following temporary policy be used in official communications on Slack and YahooGroups:

1. Language and Tone:  Professional courtesy in language and behavior is required.  Typing in all caps, submitting “rapid-fire” posts in an attempt to control the conversation, being disrespectful to others, or any other behavior deemed unprofessional is unacceptable.  
2. Timing of Posts and Business:  All posts to Slack or Yahoo groups must be during hours when it is reasonable that others can see and consider them, and must occur in a manner that gives others a chance to respond.  Once a post is made, please allow at least 24 to 48 hours for others to see and process the information and make comments before making additional comments.  Also, do not flood the boards with posts on multiple topics.
3. Post transparency:  Please preface your posts with your name (if your name is a screen name and not your legal name as on your membership), your chapter, and your role in the BoD channel. (For example: Lady Ozma: (Jacalyn Boggs, NOVA BoD Rep) Comment)  If you are citing material, please post a link to the material, not only a screenshot, unless linking is not possible as in referencing a previous comment in another Slack channel.  Also, keep all comments on the appropriate thread instead of sending them to the channel and creating a new thread for ease of navigation and clarity.

I feel like this may better address the need for these policies in a way that allows everyone to have a voice in their creation, as opposed to continuing motions and amendments to motions to accomplish a mutual goal.  Timelines are difficult towards the end of the year, and if everything can be maintained as civil and focus towards the production of these policies then I believe we can create something much more applicable to this organization than a “boiler plate” or document that is drafted by an attorney who is unfamiliar with the organization or the issues specific and inherent to the costuming community such as “Cosplay is not consent”, et al.  Also, document reviews are generally less costly than document creation, in my experience.

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Is anyone opposed to the idea of creating a policy committee?

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 14, 2019, at 6:33 PM, Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Mera,

Didn’t you just set in place guidelines to prevent rapid fire responses so those of us not on slack or yahoo all the time have a chance to participate?
This may be a moment to repost those as a reminder 
Merrily
GCFCG alt. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Thursday, November 14, 2019, 5:54 PM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


I invite those interested to join Slack on this discussion as it is occurring quickly this evening.  That said, a full transcript will be posted once it is completed this evening.


Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Nov 14, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Seconded.

Jeanine Swick, SiW
ICG Treasurer

On 11/14/2019 5:18 PM, 'Betsy R. Marks' aramintamd@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:
 

Pending acceptance of accepted withdrawal of Motion 11-06-2019-1a:

I move to amend Motion 11-06-2019-1 to read as follows: "I move that
the ICG Board direct the ICG Finance Committee to solicit no fewer
than three (3) quotes (including expected retainers for the work) from
lawyers licensed to practice in the state of Maryland to investigate
the hiring of a lawyer, with non-profit and international law
experience and licensed in the state of Maryland, to draft language
for the following: a. A code of conduct, b. A non-discrimination
policy , and c. An anti-harassment policy applicable to a non-profit
international organization, with the intention of adding said policies
to our Standing Rules. The deadline for quotes to be compared before
voting on approval of awarding such contract shall be January 31,
2020. All quotes for services rendered and required retainers shall
be presented to the board and the membership for discussion on
February 1st, 2020 and voted on by the ICG membership at the ICG
Annual meeting in Montreal, March, 2020.

Very respectfully,
Betsy R. Marks
Silicon Web president
Representative, ICG Board of Directors

--
Betsy R. Marks

http://www.hawkeswood.com/