Good morning all,
Here are some updates from Slack from yesterday evening/this morning.
As usual, you may make comments in Slack or the Yahoo group and I will ensure they are cross posted accordingly.
Thank you,
Vicky Assarattanakul
merarose: Yesterday at 4:52 PM
Please keep all discussion in the motion threads for each of navigation.
Also sent to the channel
Jacalyn Boggs 16 hours ago
I have pinned the threads so people can easily find them.
Betsy R. Marks 8:55 PM
On request from several members of my chapter, I submit the following motion:
"Recognizing the need for a Code of Conduct, anti-harassment, and anti discrimination policies, and also the need to involve the greater membership in the legal and fiscal issues involved therein, I move that the ICG Board direct the ICG
Treasurer to solicit no fewer than three (3) quotes (including expected retainers for the work) from lawyers licensed to practice in the state of Maryland, to draft language applicable to an international organization, that will then be added to our Standing
Rules. The deadline for quotes shall be December 31, 2019. All quotes for services rendered and required retainers shall be presented to the board and the membership for discussion on January 1st 2020 and voted on by the ICG membership at the general meeting
in Montreal, March 2020."
Betsy R. Marks
President, SiW
ICG Board Representative
merarose 12 hours ago
There is a motion is already on the floor addressing this issue. This motion is denied.
Betsy R. Marks 9:09 PM
Point of order: Please show where in Standing Rule 17 the language exists that allows the ICG President to reject a motion.
merarose 11 hours ago
The language exists in Roberts Rules and is not modified by the standing rules.
Good night Betsy.
Pierre Pettinger 11 hours ago
To be clear, in this case the issue is identical subjects. Except in this type of case, the concept of a chair refusing a motion is very sketchy. Two motions on the same subject can't be considered at the same time.
Betsy R. Marks Yesterday at 9:14 PM
@Pierre Pettinger, would you please resolve this question as it is the second time since I joined this Board that a motion has been summarily rejected by an ICG president.
merarose 11 hours ago
@Pierre Pettinger - this is a motion based on an existing motion and must be presented as a motion to amend per Roberts rules found here:
https://www.afsc.noaa.gov/Education/Activities/PDFs/SBSS_Lesson6_roberts_rules_of_order.pdf
If I’m not mistaken?
Everyone have a good evening. I’m heading to bed.
Pierre Pettinger 11 hours ago
Mera is correct on this. The two motions have the same subject. Betsy's motion can be re-worded as an amendment and would be in order. It can be worded as simple insertion or as a motion by substitution replacing her language for the first
one.
Betsy R. Marks 11 hours ago
Thank you, Pierre. A reworded amendment will be delivered in the morning, per instructions from the acting President.
merarose 9:34 PM
As a quick side note: notifications do come to my phone, so even when I’m sleeping or handing other business including family medical emergencies, I do receive notifications. If I’m unable to respond for ANY reason, I have given Vicky
Assarantakul, Sarah Richardson, and Jacalyn Boggs authority to immediately place the board on COMMENT MODERATION per Phil Gust’s (tech committee chairman) recommendation; ensuring that all comments, motions, etc, are held until such time as those who would
need to be present can respond. This should ensure that all issues that could arise are handled calmly and civilly and avoid the issues of the immediate past.
Additionally, Phil Gust also shares that authority.
Judy Mitchell 9:38 PM
Yes, it does cover much the same concept. But it is written in a much cleaner manner and specifies more important information that the original does not have (the possibility that a retainer may be needed, WHO is supposed to get the quotes
- the Treasurer, Where do we find a lawyer - one that is based in MD where we are incorporated, not ... any international lawyer, that could be... Timbuktu!, and it includes a better time frame that gives us a chance to actually deal with it and present it
to the membership (as I have felt very strongly about since the beginning). Yes, we need these created, as Kevin said: we should not rush headlong into things. While I personally don't see that a lawyer is needed to create any of these, at least this is much
cleaner written for a vote. It should be accepted as a motion to amend. Weren't we earlier discussing the re-wording??
merarose 11 hours ago
If it’s made and seconded as a motion to amend, then it would be appropriate. It was made as a separate motion, and as such is out of order.
That said, I bid you good night Judy. I’m sure others on this board can explain at this point why I have been awake for over 48 hours (if you need that explanation) and am now placing the board on a request to please end this debate until
after 9am tomorrow morning.
merarose 9:38 PM
And to all of you, I bid good night. Please sleep well and think calmly on what you may wish to present and leave it until the morning after an appropriate amount of rest. Nothing is so pressing that it cannot wait for at least 8 hours.
Jacalyn Boggs 9:50 PM
Everyone, if is 10:45 at night on the east coast. The acting president has tried to end conversations multiple times.
At this point please honor this and do not bring anything to the board until after 9 AM Eastern.
She will not be returning to this forum the rest of the evening and I will absolutely point of order anyone who continues to attempt to continue this.
Jacalyn Boggs 8:00 AM
replied to a thread:
The existing motion 11-6-2019-1 has been motioned for amendment by Judy Mitchell and rewritten by the motioner, Jacalyn Boggs. The motion is amended as:…
I amend my motion to: I move that the ICG finance committee solicit three quotes to hire a lawyer, with non-profit and international law experience and licensed in the state of Maryland to draft a. A code of conduct b. A non-discrimination
policy c. An anti-harassment policy. The quotes must be received and the least expensive will be chosen by November 30, 2019, with the drafted policies to be received from the attorney no later than December 31, 2019 so that a vote can be completed by January
31, 2020.
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