Currently Costume-Con 19's web site is down. Until it gets back up, the
basic information for ordering memberships and the hotel are in the
Newsflash section of my web site. Go to
http://www.alleycatscratch.com/CC19.htm. More news on the site later.

-Cat-

I have heard of other people having their scissors taken away from them on
flights, but it has never happened to me so far, in Canada or out. I would
recommend keeping them in your sewing bag/kit/whatever unless you are
actually cutting something. The concern is probably more about sharp
objects flying about during turbulence than the fear you will try to hijack
the plane.

Eileen
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That's really good to know since I'm flying Air Canada to Calgary.

Bruno

>According to Jacqui Ward, they'll do that all the time, on Canadian air
>flights. I used to have a pair of surgical

> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 Nebula5@aol.com wrote:
>
> > OK, time to fess up. We got married last Saturday.
>
> Mazel Tov!
>

I'll add my congratulations and mazel tov, too. Joyous events are *always*
welcome news.

> >
> We want pictures! :-)
>

I agree with Sharon. :-)

Until later--

Carole

> Congrats, I remember the first time I got married I sat at the
> hairdresser's sewing trim onto my veil while my hair was being done for the
> wedding.
>

We were able to get our wedding outfits done by Victoria Ridenour and Adrienne
Butterfield. My husband's wedding suit was probably one of the last outfits that
Adrienne made before her untimely death.

I pointed out to my husband that this made his suit even more valuable, and that
I hope he appreciated it more. Fortunately, he does.

He looked handsome, and everyone tells me that I looked gorgeous in the dress
that Victoria made for me. We both feel fortunate to have outfits that we can
wear over and over again.

Hey, I know me. I'm the one who takes 3 - 4 years to get a *simple* project
done. I knew that if anything was going to get done, it wasn't going to be done
by me. ;-)

Besides having Victoria and Adrienne make our outfits, the other smart move that
we made was to have two friends be our "site autocrats" the day of the event. We
went over all the contracts the night before, and they took care of everything
the day of.

All we had to do was be the happy couple. :-)

It's been seven months. He *loves* being married, and I'm still in the "I can't
believe marriage is this good" stage. After a miserable first marriage, this
marriage is everything right. His worst trait? He's a goopy romantic. ;-)

Congratulations to all the other newlyweds, and congratulations to all the long-
time marrieds. Both are special.

Until later--

Carole

>you are carting a LOT of them, some types of glass seed beads will show up
>'dark' on X-ray and you are likely to get your luggage searched. Having
>everything nicely organized as described will make it less painful.

I once knew someone who liked to travel a bag full of chainmail in progress, mostly so he could give the people that ran the x-ray machine a hard time.

Bruno

Is this analogous to "running with scissors"?

I've never had anything taken away from me on a plane or train, either;
although once a rather zealous airport security guy wanted to check my
stuff in my backpack after it went through the Xray tunnel. When he saw
that it was only sewing things, he was fine with it.

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Yes, I believe you can either sign up or email the Calgary people with a
note that you're interested. There will be a $5 or $6 fee for little
beading kits--beads, needles, thread, prepared fabric, and a detailed
handout--if you dont' have supplies with you. I don't know how many
people we can accomodate, but they have told me they probably have
someone to work with me teaching it, so probably at least 15, maybe more.
I'm assuming they will have sign-up at Con Registration, but if you
really want to do it, it can't hurt ot let them know to save a place.

I'll be sure to bring some show and tell and pictures.

Perhaps we should have a special section on "Travelling with Beads".

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>
> Yes, I believe you can either sign up or email the Calgary people with a note that you're interested.
> I'm assuming they will have sign-up at Con Registration, but if you
> really want to do it, it can't hurt ot let them know to save a place.

I am sure this is not an original thought, and those who have gone
before may roll their eyes, but we're trying to get a handle on
programming well before the con, to the extent that we will have a
pre-registration form for the limited attendance workshops in the next
PR.

See you there!

-- Katherine
co-chair, CC19

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 lisa58@juno.com wrote:

> Cut a top sheet out of thin foam latex and place it over the open
> compartments before you shut the case. This will keep all the beads from
> flying out. It's also a good way to store spare bead needles. You will

Rub an anti-static clothes dryer sheet over the foam once in a while.
It'll keep the beads from sticking to the foam and bouncing around when
you open the box. But maybe you don't have this problem if you're not in
the dry desert southwest! ;)

Linda

mirhaxa@morktorn.com

Never flew with scissors but real trouble is flying with swords even in the
luggage compartment and cap pistols
when tony was little he put his cap gun in my carry on luggage by accident
and it cause a real problem
Carl

>
>

>As you know, I like to have a lot of beadwork on many of my costumes,
>mostly designed that way because I like to do microscopic tedious
>repetitive things and stick needles into my fingers

Lisa,

You've just given me several reasons to be glad I can no longer see well
enough to do lots of beadwork!

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>I've never had anything taken away from me on a plane or train, either;
>although once a rather zealous airport security guy wanted to check my
>stuff in my backpack after it went through the Xray tunnel. When he saw
>that it was only sewing things, he was fine with it.
>

Carl & I once went to an Ad Astra, carrying a large leather-covered case
full of swords and knives. Canadian security had fun with that one! "You
need these for WHAT?"

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The airport security people tried to confiscate my scissors just this month.
I guess the untangling them form the plastic bag with the embroidery kit in
it showed them it wasn't a weapon.... But stick if you can with thing with a
3" or shorter blade. This seemd to get by most security systems.

Vicki
Why they didn't say anything on the outbound leg I'll never know

In a message dated 1/30/01 7:13:43 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
lisa58@juno.com writes:

> I've never had anything taken away from me on a plane or train, either;
> although once a rather zealous airport security guy wanted to check my
> stuff in my backpack after it went through the Xray tunnel. When he saw
> that it was only sewing things, he was fine with it.

Strangely enough, my Swiss Army Knife was once held by an overzealous public
library security guard. She showed me a list of security rules in which the
rule regarding the length for a "concealed weapon" knife had been changed
from three to 2 1/2 inches by crossing out the old rule and writing in the
new----on top of the page' plastic lamination!

Veeery fishy and the incident hasn't happened again. The same knife has never
raised an eyebrow as it goes through airport X-ray machines and flight
attendants have never noticed it.

Randall

Thanks Byron for your kind words to my last email:). I found another kiwi on
a costume list! Of course, I suspect he is long gone.. but that's two.. and
we live on different islands. Still I'm sure we can get the guild into
Godzone.

> > I've never had anything taken away from me on a plane or train, either;
> > although once a rather zealous airport security guy wanted to check my
> > stuff in my backpack after it went through the Xray tunnel. When he

saw

> > that it was only sewing things, he was fine with it.

Oh, if we are talking xray machines and travel.. I have a few doozies from
my trip mentioned in my last email:

The first is cool, I went to the Courts of Justice in London where I had to
leave my camera in a watch chop and have my bag xrayed. I got to see the
screen to see my walkman, file folder spine and coins.
The second isn't good. those same coins, in a small metal container caused
my bag to be searched while I was hand searched because of $CAN1.30 worth of
coins in my pocket. They 'forgot' to tell me to take it out of my coat. And
coins in a bag.. for crying out loud... oh yeah, this was Calgary so be
warned;)

The third get's even better, how I *avoided* the xray machine. I got drug
searched instead. Yeah. I'm a single white female with a back pack and
unemployed on my customs form. Therefore I must have been overseas on a drug
collection.
The guy who searched my luggage was ok, but obviously couldn't believe I
would never carry drugs, as he tested one bag twice. They have a system of
swiping for granules and passing them through I assume a sprectrometer
thing.. gas spectrometer? I forget. I even took chemisty at Uni;) The guy at
the next tanle was a real dork. When questione dif he had used any cannabis
before he said no, then why did the dogs take an interest in you? Oh, he'd
taken some before the flight.
Idiot.

Anyway. Go travelling in groups, and try not to look young;).

I have a first pic of my new wedding dress too:
http://recital.tripod.com/costume/mdbddebandscott.jpg I hope that works:)

Michaela deBruce

Dear Elaine:

> >As you know, I like to have a lot of beadwork on many of my costumes,
> >mostly designed that way because I like to do microscopic tedious
> >repetitive things and stick needles into my fingers
>
>

I've just put sixty hours, of sequin/bead workinto a gown, for a
wizard...doll; the last sleeve should take another ten, or so hours. The
doll is maybe fifteen inches high; maybe; and it's body is two inches wide.
The gown has angel sleeves. The body took me ten hours, approximately; as I
sew it all by hand. Add another two hours to attach the hair and beard;
then I have to make the cloak.
So....what does this say about me?

I knew a costumer, once, who after watching me spend hours anchouring
sequins to an overskirt, using the usual rocaille beads, commented that:
"Gee, I'd like to be able to work for hours on tedious stuff like that, and
never get bored.". It was the best laugh that I'd had all year.

Peace
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Dear Elaine:

>Carl & I once went to an Ad Astra, carrying a large leather-covered case
>full of swords and knives. Canadian security had fun with that one! "You
>need these for WHAT?"
>

I really plan to have fun with U.S. customs, if I ever get my Klingon
project off the ground (temporarily grounded, like everything else, because
of lack of funds). I'll not only have tonnes of weapons (all cardboard, and
plastic, and reflective tape, but, hey, it'll really look good on the x-ray
machine), but I'm really wondering what they'll say about the box/suitcase
full of skulls! hehehehehehehehehehe

Peace
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Michaela de Bruce wrote:

> The third get's even better, how I *avoided* the xray machine. I got drug
> searched instead. Yeah. I'm a single white female with a back pack and
> unemployed on my customs form. Therefore I must have been overseas on a drug
> collection.
> The guy who searched my luggage was ok, but obviously couldn't believe I
> would never carry drugs, as he tested one bag twice. They have a system of
> swiping for granules and passing them through I assume a sprectrometer
> thing.. gas spectrometer? I forget. I even took chemisty at Uni;) The guy at
> the next tanle was a real dork. When questione dif he had used any cannabis
> before he said no, then why did the dogs take an interest in you? Oh, he'd
> taken some before the flight.
> Idiot.
>

I got sniffed by a food-searching dog on one return trip from Germany. As
I was waiting for my checked luggage a dog came up to me and was sniffing
my carry-on bags. I was asked if I had any sausage and I said no. I was
asked if I had *any* food and said no (qualifying that chocolate was not
food.) He asked to search my bags and didn't find anything but wasn't
giving up because the dog "was insisting".

I then remembered that I grabbed a banana from breakfast and put it in my
canvas bag to eat while I was in the airport. The smell lingered through
the hours of the transatlantic flight.

Sharon

It varied between airports and even airlines. When I used to deal flavored
love oils an custom scent massage oils, I'd managed to get all the stock into
a carryon bag. Most airlines/airport never even questioned me. However, one
time at O'Hare when flying TWA I had to unpack it and show them what I had.

I've worn outfits through metal detectors in Chicago that couldn't get
through the Ft. Lauderdale ones. One item in particular was a belt which had
the huge round etched buckle that you could put through any of the holes in
the belt. They were popular in the late '80s.

My mother had a sterling silver letter opener she'd bought for me in Brazil
taken away and somehow mid-flight it mysteriously disappeared from the
cockpit. They purchased a replacement which I still have, but she said it
wasn't as nice as the original.

I just flew American to Arisia and they have the best sign I've seen for what
types of flamables etc. aren't permitted on the plane. We also got in 1/2 an
hour early, a novelty after normally flying United.

I will look for the form in the next PR.

Michele

Oh yes, I forgot, on the way back from Boston, I was pulled to the side and
they did a search (not physical, more of the molecules in the air or on my
baggage) for explosives. They had this gaget they put little white cloths on
and ran them near/over my cases. This was a new one on me.

Michele

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. Not sure what we'll use yet, but
you've given us plenty of ideas. That's what so great about this community.

Pierre and Sandy

Our best one was when I was going to Bucconeer - the guy at the Omaha
airport wanted to look in my makeup kit. Those of you who haven't seen it
- it's one of the largest fishing tackle boxes they make, at least that can
be carried by one person. I can see why - there are a couple of cans of
glitter spray in there that are smaller than the usual spray can, so they
don't have a familiar shape. The guy was very nice, but thought he was
funny when he asked if I could make him look like Warren Buffett.

We've checked swords as luggage with no problems - but they were in their
own sealed box, not the regular suitcase, and labeled as "Theatrical
props". Theater they understand, costuming is good for a "What???"

Sandy

>>My mother had a sterling silver letter opener she'd bought for me in
>>Brazil
>taken away and somehow mid-flight it mysteriously disappeared from the
>cockpit. They purchased a replacement which I still have, but she said it
>wasn't as nice as the original.

I think I have the best stopped-at-the-metal-detector story yet. It
happened on the way home from Australia. After unloading everything I could
possibly have on me of metal, the sensor still beeped. The attendant ran
her wand over me several times, still beeping. Finally she said to me,
"Sorry, honey, but I'll bet you're wearing an underwire bra, right?" Right!

There's a lesson there somewhere, and it frightens me.

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They did that to my attache case at Albany Airport on Tuesday
morning.

Byron

>>> MicheleSol@aol.com 01/31/01 10:36PM >>>

Oh yes, I forgot, on the way back from Boston, I was pulled to the side and
they did a search (not physical, more of the molecules in the air or on my
baggage) for explosives. They had this gaget they put little white cloths on
and ran them near/over my cases. This was a new one on me.

Michele

>Oh yes, I forgot, on the way back from Boston, I was pulled to the side and
>they did a search (not physical, more of the molecules in the air or on my
>baggage) for explosives. They had this gaget they put little white cloths
>on
>and ran them near/over my cases. This was a new one on me.
>
>Michele

That one's a search for chemical or explosives residue. We learned about
that from Tony & Robert, our boys in the Army Bomb Squad. In fact, if they
DON'T get stopped when travelling, THEY report the attendants and their
equipment to airport security! It's always fun to travel with them!

E

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My camera bag got that treatment. The operator at Denver was a huge thuggish
looking guy who wore a very threatening demeanor. When I asked him if he had
gotten all of the cat hair off my camera case he just glared at me. We have an
acquaintance who works with the cloak and dagger types and when I asked him he
said they were looking for "accelerates", many of which are common household
items.

Mary Denise

Off topic, I think, but likely of interest to people on these lists...

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.

(Sigh)

Betsy

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Another Giant Passes
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 07:35:03 -0500
From: Dan Delaney <dan@hawkeswood.com>
To: pulpworld@yahoogroups.com

>From the SJ Games Web Site

February 1, 2001: Another Giant Passes

Gordon R. Dickson, author of more than 80 science fiction and fantasy
novels but probably best known as the creator of the "Dorsai" series,
died yesterday, January 31

> Jeff & Susan Stringer wrote:
> TWENTY YEARS Jeff waited to do General Ursus and his moment of glory
> was stolen from him. Sometimes, costuming sucks. Will we do it again
> next year? You bet your britches we'll be there.

Bring it to Worldcon or Costume Con!

You've got 3 of each before you may have run the Worldcon Masq.

JohnO

Elaine Mami wrote:

> However, Animal almost never had a costume finished
> before it hit the stage!

My costuming "resume" starts with Confederation in
Atlanta, where I hot glued Animal into her costume
just before she hit the stage.

Glue, glue, glue.
Hold, hold, hold.
There's your cue.
Go!

At that point, Janet Anderson said "You're hired."
when I was telling her full story of working my
first masquerade.

JohnO

randwhit@aol.com wrote:

>
> Strangely enough, my Swiss Army Knife was once held by an overzealous public
> library security guard.

I had a 3" lock blade taken away from me. I knew they
were not allowed on planes, I just forgot to pack it.

However, there was one time, the x-Ray operator called
for a search and specifically said "Make sure it's a
leatherman tool."

I told the security agent doing the search "It's at
the bottom, just dump the pouch."

But no, he just kept rooting around (and yes ChrisB,
I mean that in the Aussie way) in my pouch producing
a swiss army knife, a pair of pliers, an assortment of
pens, etc, etc. Meanwhile the X-Ray operator is going
"No, that's not it." over and over again.

Well, he finally found it and asked me what it was.

I of course responded: "It's a Leatherman."
And no, I didn't explain or demonstrate.

JohnO

ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran wrote:

>
> JohnO - Who had to do it on the eve of his wedding.

Since this thread has shifted content, I'll followup
on my sig line.

Alas, Chris' skill and time was in short supply, so
she couldn't make her wedding or the bridesmaids dresses.

She found a beautiful wedding gown at a discount
warehouse. If you've ever seen the deleted scenes
from "4 Weddings and Funeral", you've seen my reaction
to the *perfect* dress.

Chris and Bridesmaids also had fun searching for their
dresses. Walk into a bridal shop. Point to Sally
(short, petite, pale) and Joyce (tall, large, black)
and say "we need matching dresses. One clerk actually
paled and called the manager to help them.

Chris did want to sew something for the wedding.
She decided to make my vest, with the front panels being
tye dyed.

Since we were doing everything for our wedding, we swiftly
ran out time during the final week.

It's 3am the morning of, I'm still working on the
program book, our friends are wrapping favors, and Chris
is sewing on one of the pockets incorrectly for the 3rd time.

That's when we decided to call it a night.

We were up again at 7am. Chris on returning to the sewing
machine, found that our friend Eliz had undone the pocket
and marked out the correct layout. Wisely Eliz had not
finished the vest, as Chris would have been crushed.
Chris was then able to finish the vest in 20 minutes.

JohnO

This is from the beginning of Jan, but I
feel I need to reply.

Thanks Alix for forwarding Robin's message,
it's important that folks know the status
of related mailing lists.

<font size="+6"> BUT </font>

And that's a really big "but." <g>

As the owner of several mailing lists, this
makes very nervous when someone posts a
status message for 2 reasons:

1) They do not mention being in direct
contact with list owner or the ISP
that operates the list.

2) They are not a authorized spokesperson
for the list owner or ISP (see #1)

Just needed to put in my 2 cents.

JohnO


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this post, and my reply>

Alix Jordan wrote:

>
> Gentle Costumers:
>
> I am forwarding this message along; trusting that it is not a hoax.
> Please correct me, if I am in error.
>
> Peace
> Alixandra
> eddana@hotmail.com
>
> >From: Robin Netherton <robin@shell.nightowl.net>
> >To: Robin Netherton <Robin@shell.nightowl.net>
> >Subject: The h-cost list
> >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:59:55 -0600 (CST)
> >
> >
> >I'm sending this message to all members of the h-cost list whose
> addresses
> >I had on hand. I pulled these addresses from my stacked-up recent
> list
> >messages, so if I somehow got yours by mistake and you're NOT a
> >listmember, please pardon me and ignore this message.
> >
> >It seems the list has suffered some serious technical difficulties as
> of
> >the New Year -- I haven't heard anything definitive, but some people
> have
> >speculated about Y2K+1 trouble. Whatever the case, most -- maybe all
> -- of
> >the subscriber list was wiped. So, too, were the list archives at
> indra.
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> >At this point, if you want to get back on the list, it looks like
> you'll
> >have to resubscribe manually. I'm personally hoping that Elizabeth or
> >indra will find some way to restore the subscriber list, but
> everything is
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MicheleSol@aol.com wrote:

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> <<<story of Cities of SF presentation snipped>>

Commentary from backstage:

We didn't believe you were Novices.
The quality of the Cities was great.
The choreography was spare, but it suited the presentation.
All the entrants moved very well.
Though David was nervous as hell, he was good work with.

JohnO

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> The pop-up message with one of the ICG-D postings
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Well they surprised me. The beta site only
launched 2-3 weeks ago and had a few minor
items IMO that needed addressing. Though
a few other moderators posted about major
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* How does this impact the ICG mailing lists?

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Sharon L Sbarsky wrote:

>
> I believe that egroups lets someone delete their own
> messages through the web interface. Of course this
> would only help those who read their mail later...

Need to check about author deletion.

You are correct, once the message is sent via eMail
there is way to retract it.

> (I don't know if the list moderator can also delete messages.)

Yep, I can delete any message in the archive.

I've never used it on a real message, but every once in a
great while I go through the archive and delete clutter.
Such as the regular admin postings.

JohnO

Christopher Ballis wrote:

>
> The 1900 House series has been purchased for screening

This series had many flaws (like only 3 days of training
to learn how live like a Victorian family), but their
clothing was very well done. IIRC, they were copies
of actual garments or made from vintage patterns.

> this year by SBS, the foreign language and artsy-fartsy
> network that also seens Southpark (!).

Hey, that's what usually watch after a long day of touring
after the Worldcon in 1999. Much better then the American
crap they were showing on the commercial stations.

> Also for television in Oz this year, a drama examining
> the Australian experience in the Japanese Prisoner of
> War camp at Changi in World War II.

The male version of Tenko?

JohnO

Congrats!!!!!!

Nebula5@aol.com wrote:

>
> OK, time to fess up. We got married last Saturday.

Starting to wander off-topic here... <g>

MicheleSol@aol.com wrote:

>
> Oh yes, I forgot, on the way back from Boston, I was pulled to the side and
> they did a search (not physical, more of the molecules in the air or on my
> baggage) for explosives. They had this gaget they put little white cloths on
> and ran them near/over my cases. This was a new one on me.

I get that one all the time when I leave Tampa,
and 50% when I depart San Jose, CA.

I think it's because I always have a laptop and
spare batteries with me.

JohnO

I have a crown I often take to Cons. I used some old crystals from my
grandmother's dining room chandelier when I was building it. They must be
lead crystal. They show up on airport X-rays and I have to open the case
and show them that the pointed things are clear and sparkly, not
aerodynamic projectiles.
When we went to Toronto, I was carrying a large box with two screen
helmuts. My mistake was to identify the box with a business card that read
Costume Design. They became suspicious that these were actually goods for
sale that I was trying to sneak into the country.
I have watched the dogs wander around the baggage claim area singling out
every family with small children. If you have ever travelled with a small
child, you know to bring snacks. I am sure that it is much easier to
train dogs to find food than something explosive or dangerous.

For our friends out there, we are changing our email addresses. See
below. Everything else remains the same.
Dana MacDermott

That's never happened to me in 32 years I've worn underwires. And, weren't
we on the same plane leaving Australia?

Michele

> From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 31 Jan 2001 06:30:54 -0000
> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ICG-D] Digest Number 118
>
>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 Nebula5@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> OK, time to fess up. We got married last Saturday.

That's Great! All the best!

I, myself, have the best marriage in the world... wishing you the same!

- Suford



NEW TOPIC -----------------------------------

Oh, yeah, & BTW, since I am posting...

Does anyone have photos of the Costume Exhibit at CC2K? I can't believe I
didn't take any pictures, but in all the flurry I never thought of it. Now
I have video tape of the masquerades and lots of photos of the participants
in them, but nothing of any of the exhibits.

I would be glad to pay for duplicating and mailing... let me know what you
have if you're willing to take the trouble

Thanks in advance...

Suford

>
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:35:27 -0800
> From: carole@falconer.vip.best.COM
> Subject: RE: Wedding Outfits
>
> We were able to get our wedding outfits done by Victoria Ridenour and Adrienne
> Butterfield.
> :
> :
> He looked handsome, and everyone tells me that I looked gorgeous in the dress
> that Victoria made for me. We both feel fortunate to have outfits that we can
> wear over and over again.
> :
> :
>
> Until later--
>
> Carole

Wow! I am SOOOOO jealous! That is unbelieveably great! And I hope you will
wear them over and over until we are all blase about them - this will take
years!

Happy seven-month-aversary!

My husband for our first 10 years or so was always able to tell anyone and
everyone how many years, months, days, hours and minutes we had been
married. I was never sure whether he computed it or made it up (he's that
sort of a wise guy) but it was a great sentimental trick. I think men are
more sentimental than they admit - it's not fashionable now, but look at
the stuff men wrote in the Victorian era when it was fashionable to be
sentimental.

A couple of weeks ago at Arisia there were two public proposals - one
actually on stage at a filk concert - so I guess it's in season...

Happy Whatever-aversary to everybody!

- Suford

This series had many flaws (like only 3 days of training
to learn how live like a Victorian family)

Maybe not as hard as Survivor II will be to watch. I wonder whether they
will mention the thing is far from the locations seen in promotions and just
a short distance from a tropical resort; or whether there will be any
mention of the prankster in the helecopter who made a food drop to the site.

-C.

The best way to check for explosives is to just throw a match at the
suspect.

-C (former pyrotechnician, loonie & all-round nice deafy).

>Maybe not as hard as Survivor II will be to watch. I wonder whether they
>will mention the thing is far from the locations seen in promotions and just
>a short distance from a tropical resort; or whether there will be any
>mention of the prankster in the helecopter who made a food drop to the site.

I watch it every week. Got hooked on the first one. Haven't heard about the prankster. In an interview, the host said that it was a 5 hr drive to the location in the middle of a cattle station. He said the contestants could walk for days and not make it back to civilization.

Bruno

Lasted updated: 10/15/2000

For ICG business:

webmaster@costume.org For items about the web pages
listmaster@costume.org For items or issues about the mailing lists
ICG-BOD-owner@egroups.com
ICG-D-owner@egroups.com
icg@costume.org For anything else

The following also work:

heyyou@costume.org
<anything>@costume.org

They all go into a single mailbox, but using a specific address
makes my sorting easier.

Side note: I sort the Mailing Lists based on the Subject, ie:
[ICG-L], [ICG-BOD], etc. I check my inbox on a regular basis,
but not the mailing lists. Please don't assume I'll see a
message quickly just because it's posted to a mailing list
or is forwarded while still containing the mailing list name.

Please note: costume is NOT plural and the top level domain is ORG.

My personal mail address:

ICG business messages will be forwarded back to the ICG account
for answering from there.

Eoin@TyeDye.Org
JohnO@TyeDye.Org
johalloran@TyeDye.Org
<any-standard-variant-of-my-name>@TyeDye.Org

Please note: The top level domain is ORG

Note: The account icg@inwap.com is a archival account which
I check every few months. So don't bother sending anything
there. Hmmm, need to get that moved too.
<currently not archiving>

If you really need to get in touch with me in a hurry:

Home Phone: 510-713-9519, till midnight, pacific, GMT -8

If you want to send me hardcopy:

36024 Cabrillo Drive
Fremont, CA 94536

John O'Halloran
ICG Web/ListMaster

Lasted updated: 10/15/2000

For ICG business:

webmaster@costume.org For items about the web pages
listmaster@costume.org For items or issues about the mailing lists
ICG-BOD-owner@egroups.com
ICG-D-owner@egroups.com
icg@costume.org For anything else

The following also work:

heyyou@costume.org
<anything>@costume.org

They all go into a single mailbox, but using a specific address
makes my sorting easier.

Side note: I sort the Mailing Lists based on the Subject, ie:
[ICG-L], [ICG-BOD], etc. I check my inbox on a regular basis,
but not the mailing lists. Please don't assume I'll see a
message quickly just because it's posted to a mailing list
or is forwarded while still containing the mailing list name.

Please note: costume is NOT plural and the top level domain is ORG.

My personal mail address:

ICG business messages will be forwarded back to the ICG account
for answering from there.

Eoin@TyeDye.Org
JohnO@TyeDye.Org
johalloran@TyeDye.Org
<any-standard-variant-of-my-name>@TyeDye.Org

Please note: The top level domain is ORG

Note: The account icg@inwap.com is a archival account which
I check every few months. So don't bother sending anything
there. Hmmm, need to get that moved too.
<currently not archiving>

If you really need to get in touch with me in a hurry:

Home Phone: 510-713-9519, till midnight, pacific, GMT -8

If you want to send me hardcopy:

36024 Cabrillo Drive
Fremont, CA 94536

John O'Halloran
ICG Web/ListMaster

Administrivia: About the ICG mailing lists.

Due to a crash of the Best List Server in early October,
the ICG mailing lists were moved to eGroups. When the
server came back up, the membership decided it liked eGroups.

The ICG has 2 mailing lists, the ICG General Discussion (ICG-D)
list and the ICG Board of Directors (ICG-BOD) list.

ICG-D is intended for, but not limited to, the general membership
of the International Costumers' Guild.

ICG-BOD is intended for, and limited to, the members of the
International Costumers' Guild Board of Directors as defined
by Article 5, Section 1 of the ICG Bylaws and those non-voting
parties as invited by the BOD to provide commentary.

To post to the lists use the following addresses:

ICG-D@egroups.com for general membership discussion.
ICG-BOD@egroups.com for officer level discussions.

To subscribe, please see the Subscription HowTo contained
in subscribe.txt for instructions.

Notes:

Policies of the ICG-D and ICG-BOD mailing list:

1) No Flaming. The moderator will issue one and only one warning.

If the flaming continues, all parties flaming will be unsubscribed.

2) No detailed discussion of the actual making of costumes.

"Huh?" you say. When this list was set up, its intention was
not to draw traffic away other costuming lists such as
H-Costume, F-Costume, Vintage, etc, but to promote discussion
about the ICG and costuming in general between members.

Detailed discussions will be encouraged to move or cross post
to one of the other lists.

3) If someone directly requests the moderator to subscribe/unsubscribe
them they will be sent this message and the moderator will
subsingle/unsubscribe them.

4) No SPAM! Suspect addresses in subscription requests will have their
identity verified.

5) No Chain Letters. I know some of them pull at your heart strings
or have you fearing for your hard drive, but most are inaccurate
(at best), out-of-date or fake (at worst).

6) Severely off-topic discussions or violations of these few policies
will flagged by a message from the moderator with [RIP]* in the
subject line. Further discussion after the posting of the [RIP]
message should be taken to private eMail.

7) No viral advertising! Do not send messages with advertisements
attached. It is bad enough we have to put up with the ads attached
to the free eMail accounts, without members taking the conscious act
of attaching advertising. I consider these one step above SPAM.

8) Subscribers whose accounts bounces mail will be deactivated.

"If messages sent to a member are consistently returned"
will deactivate your account from stop sending the mailing
list to your address.

For freemail account holders (Hotmail, Juno, Excitemail, etc)
Please be aware you account has limitations and will bounce
mail when you exceed you quota or have a full mailbox.


John O'Halloran
ICG List/WebMaster

* I originally used Rip as in the sense of a ripping seam, but when
capitalized, its other meaning worked as well.

Administrivia: About the ICG mailing lists.

Due to a crash of the Best List Server in early October,
the ICG mailing lists were moved to eGroups. When the
server came back up, the membership decided it liked eGroups.

The ICG has 2 mailing lists, the ICG General Discussion (ICG-D)
list and the ICG Board of Directors (ICG-BOD) list.

ICG-D is intended for, but not limited to, the general membership
of the International Costumers' Guild.

ICG-BOD is intended for, and limited to, the members of the
International Costumers' Guild Board of Directors as defined
by Article 5, Section 1 of the ICG Bylaws and those non-voting
parties as invited by the BOD to provide commentary.

To post to the lists use the following addresses:

ICG-D@egroups.com for general membership discussion.
ICG-BOD@egroups.com for officer level discussions.

To subscribe, please see the Subscription HowTo contained
in subscribe.txt for instructions.

Notes:

Policies of the ICG-D and ICG-BOD mailing list:

1) No Flaming. The moderator will issue one and only one warning.

If the flaming continues, all parties flaming will be unsubscribed.

2) No detailed discussion of the actual making of costumes.

"Huh?" you say. When this list was set up, its intention was
not to draw traffic away other costuming lists such as
H-Costume, F-Costume, Vintage, etc, but to promote discussion
about the ICG and costuming in general between members.

Detailed discussions will be encouraged to move or cross post
to one of the other lists.

3) If someone directly requests the moderator to subscribe/unsubscribe
them they will be sent this message and the moderator will
subsingle/unsubscribe them.

4) No SPAM! Suspect addresses in subscription requests will have their
identity verified.

5) No Chain Letters. I know some of them pull at your heart strings
or have you fearing for your hard drive, but most are inaccurate
(at best), out-of-date or fake (at worst).

6) Severely off-topic discussions or violations of these few policies
will flagged by a message from the moderator with [RIP]* in the
subject line. Further discussion after the posting of the [RIP]
message should be taken to private eMail.

7) No viral advertising! Do not send messages with advertisements
attached. It is bad enough we have to put up with the ads attached
to the free eMail accounts, without members taking the conscious act
of attaching advertising. I consider these one step above SPAM.

8) Subscribers whose accounts bounces mail will be deactivated.

"If messages sent to a member are consistently returned"
will deactivate your account from stop sending the mailing
list to your address.

For freemail account holders (Hotmail, Juno, Excitemail, etc)
Please be aware you account has limitations and will bounce
mail when you exceed you quota or have a full mailbox.


John O'Halloran
ICG List/WebMaster

* I originally used Rip as in the sense of a ripping seam, but when
capitalized, its other meaning worked as well.

Last update 11/13/2000 (minor edits)

Quoting

**** Do it ****

Please quote or paraphrase the original message you are replying to.

I often play "catch-up", reading a large number of messages in one
sitting, but I still occasionally say "Huh?" to someone's one
line reply to message posted days ago.

Think about how confused someone who has hours or even days
between reading messages can get.

**** Don't do too much of it ****

When you quote, please do some trimming.

* Delete the list sig
* Delete the persons sig
* Delete details of an event you are commenting on
* Trim down the original post to just what you are replying to.
There is no need to quote 3 paragraphs of message,
when you are addressing something in just one of them,
or just to say: "I agree." or "Me too."

**** Be clear about seperating your comments ****

* Most of the time a blank line is sufficent.
* If you wish to highlight your text, use a
different character then your chosen
quoting character.
ie: Don't hightlight with ">" when
the original is marked with ">" as well.




Thanks
John O'Halloran
ICG Web/ListMaster