We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Quarterly Reports are due in 1 month

Date: Thursday, June 7, 2001
Time: 12:00AM PDT (GMT-07:00)

Remember Quarterly reports are due the 6th of every January,
April, July, and October.

The January report is also when
all ICG dues and CQ subscription moneies are also due.

Honey, I'll send you one for free. God, with
everything you've done, it's the least (and I mean
least) I can do!

Hugs, D

P.S. One for Tina too?

--- Byron Connell <bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV> wrote:

> Darla --
>
> I'll take one, too.
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> jeffreysmorris@aol.com 05/21/01 09:15PM >>>
>
> But since you mentioned it, Darla...um...how much
> for a tote bag? (grin)
>
> JSM/SLCG
>
>
>

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--- In ICG-BOD@y..., Darla Kruger <devinedwk2001@y...> wrote:

> Honey, I'll send you one for free. God, with
> everything you've done, it's the least (and I mean
> least) I can do!
>

I'm going to assume that this is in reference to Byron. :)

JSM

Well, yes and no. Any who wants one at this phase can
have it if they're willing to pay postage. I'd just
like to get the bloody things out of our storage unit.
Of course, I'm making this offer without checking
with my treasurer first who may kill me after this.

Darla

--- Jeff Morris <jeffreysmorris@aol.com> wrote:

> --- In ICG-BOD@y..., Darla Kruger
> <devinedwk2001@y...> wrote:
> > Honey, I'll send you one for free. God, with
> > everything you've done, it's the least (and I mean
> > least) I can do!
> >
>
> I'm going to assume that this is in reference to
> Byron. :)
>
> JSM
>
>

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We'd be happy to pay something above shipping--and if you wanted, we could
advertise this amongst our chapter. It might help defray some of your costs.

JSM

Darla --

Sure, Tina would like one too. Thank you.

Byron

>>> devinedwk2001@yahoo.com 06/06/01 01:51PM >>>

Honey, I'll send you one for free. God, with
everything you've done, it's the least (and I mean
least) I can do!

Hugs, D

P.S. One for Tina too?

Sure. That would actually be great. The actual cost
to us (separate from shipping) was $7.00 per bag.
They're really a pretty good quality. If you give me
an address, I'll send one out so you can see for
yourself. We'd love to at least get back what we
spent on them. BTW, we also have t-shirts with the
logo too.

Thanks,
Darla
--- jeffreysmorris@aol.com wrote:

> We'd be happy to pay something above shipping--and
> if you wanted, we could
> advertise this amongst our chapter. It might help
> defray some of your costs.
>
> JSM
>

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I forget, what does the Tote Bag say again? I can put an ad in our
newsletter. I could always use filler.

Michael Bruno


jeffreysmorris@aol.com writes:

> We'd be happy to pay something above shipping--and if you wanted, we could
> advertise this amongst our chapter. It might help defray some of your costs.
>
> JSM

It has the Jane the Space Girl logo (you can see it on
our homepage www.costumecollege.org), and the words
Costume College 2000,
Van Nuys, California

Darla

--- bruno@armyofdorkness.org wrote:

>
> I forget, what does the Tote Bag say again? I can
> put an ad in our
> newsletter. I could always use filler.
>
> Michael Bruno
>
>
> jeffreysmorris@aol.com writes:
>
> > We'd be happy to pay something above shipping--and
> if you wanted, we could
> > advertise this amongst our chapter. It might help
> defray some of your costs.
> >
> > JSM
>

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ICG President�s Message (for publication in chapter
newsletters)

Well, where to start. As this is my first message to
all of you out there in ICG-land, I guess the best
place to begin is with an introduction. I am Darla
Kruger, the new president of the ICG. As you all
know, this last May we held officer elections for the
ICG and I was voted in as president. Yes, some people
think that makes me certifiable, but if I claimed to
be sane everyone would know I�m lying.

The first thing I�d like to do is thank my
predecessor, Byron Connell. He did a wonderful job
during his two-year term as president. Even though he
is too humble about his accomplishments while in
office, I believe that if it weren�t for Byron there
would be no ICG at the present time. He chose to be
president (or was sucked in) at one of the most
difficult times during the history of the ICG. He
kept a level head and was fair in all dealings with
the chapters of this loose federation of costumers at
a time when pitchforks were being brandished and
threats were flying. For that alone he deserves our
applause. But then, when things finally seemed like
they were calming down, we hit our worst storm. Bryon
was the primary instrument in keeping the ICG solvent.
We are still recovering, but if it hadn�t been for
Byron�s leadership, stamina, and patience (most of the
time), we would not have an ICG. My hat is off to him
and I say three grand huzzahs in his direction (that
would be New York, by the way).

Now I�ll tell you a little about myself. First, I�ve
been a costumer now for over 30 years. My first 10
years were spent in theatrical costuming (strictly
amateur), but then I fell in love with historical.
I�d always been interested in history (my first
obsession), so it seemed like the perfect marriage of
my two most intense passions, history and costuming.
It was the best of all worlds, though recently I�ve
started dabbling in fantasy costuming and am even
beginning a design for a masquerade entry in Worldcon
in 2002 (maybe - if I�m brave enough). I�ve been a
member of the Costumer�s Guild West for the past six
years, but have been president for the last three. I
have been teaching now at Costume College (the CGW�s
yearly educational seminar) for the past six years and
have presented many classes at the last three Costume
Cons. I have run Costume College 2000 and am
presently dean of Costume College 2001, but I�m
looking forward to handing it off to someone else in
2002. I am, however, running for president of the CGW
again this year. For the past 16 years (yipes), I
have been a legal assistant (my background is as a
paralegal). Because of all this life experience, I
believe I have the skills and determination needed for
the job of ICG president. I hope in the next year,
you come to agree with me.

I have lots of plans for the ICG. There are some
things I�d like to improve: communications between the
ICG and its chapters, and communication between the
chapters themselves; making the ICG more relevant to
our members; having a better record regarding the
Costumer�s Quarterly as well as upgrading the quality
of the publication; continuing Byron�s legacy of
keeping the ICG solvent; just to name a few. But I
also have plans for some new �stuff� that I think
you�ll like. I�ll tell you all about that in future
messages.

I guess my bottom line is I want to make the ICG a
valuable part of your costuming community and relevant
to your needs. To be honest, though, I can�t do it
without you guys. I need your input, your
suggestions, your ideas, and your help. So, in light
of that, please always feel free to contact me. There
are two way you can do this. First, there�s e-mail
which is icgpresident@yahoo.com (isn�t that cute?).
Or you can write to me, Darla Kruger, c/o Costumer�s
Guild West, Post Office Box 3052, Santa Fe Springs, CA
90670-3052. However, response time will be faster
via e-mail.

So, I look forward to serving you (but I don�t do
windows). And I hope by the time I�m done, all of you
will value the ICG as I do. Thanks for taking the
time to read this.

Darla Kruger
ICG President

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I have had a question posed to my by our treasurer. From what I
understand, the local chapters are only supposed to send monies (dues and
CQ sub) to the ICG Treasurer in January with the first quarterly report of
the year. My treasurer would like to any monies due at least quarterly.

One justification I can see is this:

January Quarterly reports are due about January 6th. If we gain a new
member on Jan 18th who also subscribes to the Quarterly, those new monies
would be held at local for an entire year. As it is, this member is not
even reported to Corporate until April and the CQ subscription would begin
sometime after that. The CQ Editor would then produce roughly 3 issues for
this new member before they receive any funds.

With the issues that we have had currently over funds, particularly CQ
funds, would it not make sense to get any monies owed to the ICG in sooner?

Could someone explain the reasoning behind only sending in monies once a
year? Is it to reduce paperwork or trips to the bank by Treasurer? Is it
to get in as much money at one time in order calculate a budget for the
remainder of the year based on all monies received in January?

Michael
Millennium CG (the Rocky Mtn Front Range)

Sharon probably can answer this better than I, but I
would suspect it has to do with decreasing the amount
of paperwork. I will have to look at our bylaws to
see if there's any reason why a chapter can't choose
to send in the monies at the quarterly point. You
make a good argument for doing so, though I would not
make it mandatory. Though, having some chapters
choose to send in quarterly and others yearly would
probably make Sharon's job more difficult in keeping
track of which chapter has sent what.

Sharon or anyone, your thoughts?

Darla



--- bruno@armyofdorkness.org wrote:

>
> I have had a question posed to my by our treasurer.
> From what I
> understand, the local chapters are only supposed to
> send monies (dues and
> CQ sub) to the ICG Treasurer in January with the
> first quarterly report of
> the year. My treasurer would like to any monies due
> at least quarterly.
>
> One justification I can see is this:
>
> January Quarterly reports are due about January 6th.
> If we gain a new
> member on Jan 18th who also subscribes to the
> Quarterly, those new monies
> would be held at local for an entire year. As it
> is, this member is not
> even reported to Corporate until April and the CQ
> subscription would begin
> sometime after that. The CQ Editor would then
> produce roughly 3 issues for
> this new member before they receive any funds.
>
> With the issues that we have had currently over
> funds, particularly CQ
> funds, would it not make sense to get any monies
> owed to the ICG in sooner?
>
> Could someone explain the reasoning behind only
> sending in monies once a
> year? Is it to reduce paperwork or trips to the
> bank by Treasurer? Is it
> to get in as much money at one time in order
> calculate a budget for the
> remainder of the year based on all monies received
> in January?
>
> Michael
> Millennium CG (the Rocky Mtn Front Range)
>

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Transmittal of dues is covered in Standing Rule 5, which probably
has been amended more times than any other rule. However, the
process it prescribes is not quite do what Michael said. Standing
Rule 5 says that a chapter must provide on January 6 its complete
list of its current members and dues for those members, and then
provide updates on April 6, July 6, and October 6, including
"payments for new members, together with new members' names
and addresses and phone numbers (where provided) . . . ."

As I read Standing Rule 5, therefore, a chapter should be sending
updates four times a year, including payments for any persons who
became members since the last quarterly statement. Standing
Rule 22 provides that, from U.S. chapters, such quarterly
payments should also cover any new CQ subscriptions (unless the
chapter is not processing CQ subs for its members).

Byron

>>> devinedwk2001@yahoo.com 06/20/01 11:48AM >>>

Sharon probably can answer this better than I, but I
would suspect it has to do with decreasing the amount
of paperwork. I will have to look at our bylaws to
see if there's any reason why a chapter can't choose
to send in the monies at the quarterly point. You
make a good argument for doing so, though I would not
make it mandatory. Though, having some chapters
choose to send in quarterly and others yearly would
probably make Sharon's job more difficult in keeping
track of which chapter has sent what.

Sharon or anyone, your thoughts?

Darla



--- bruno@armyofdorkness.org wrote:

>
> I have had a question posed to my by our treasurer.
> From what I
> understand, the local chapters are only supposed to
> send monies (dues and
> CQ sub) to the ICG Treasurer in January with the
> first quarterly report of
> the year. My treasurer would like to any monies due
> at least quarterly.
>
> One justification I can see is this:
>
> January Quarterly reports are due about January 6th.
> If we gain a new
> member on Jan 18th who also subscribes to the
> Quarterly, those new monies
> would be held at local for an entire year. As it
> is, this member is not
> even reported to Corporate until April and the CQ
> subscription would begin
> sometime after that. The CQ Editor would then
> produce roughly 3 issues for
> this new member before they receive any funds.
>
> With the issues that we have had currently over
> funds, particularly CQ
> funds, would it not make sense to get any monies
> owed to the ICG in sooner?
>
> Could someone explain the reasoning behind only
> sending in monies once a
> year? Is it to reduce paperwork or trips to the
> bank by Treasurer? Is it
> to get in as much money at one time in order
> calculate a budget for the
> remainder of the year based on all monies received
> in January?
>
> Michael
> Millennium CG (the Rocky Mtn Front Range)

Thanks for the clarification Byron. I'm not very familiar with the
standing rules, but they seem to work the way I thought is should, and my
Treasurer is just confused.

Thanks.

Michael


Byron Connell writes:

> Transmittal of dues is covered in Standing Rule 5, which probably
> has been amended more times than any other rule. However, the
> process it prescribes is not quite do what Michael said. Standing
> Rule 5 says that a chapter must provide on January 6 its complete
> list of its current members and dues for those members, and then
> provide updates on April 6, July 6, and October 6, including
> "payments for new members, together with new members' names
> and addresses and phone numbers (where provided) . . . ."
>
> As I read Standing Rule 5, therefore, a chapter should be sending
> updates four times a year, including payments for any persons who
> became members since the last quarterly statement. Standing
> Rule 22 provides that, from U.S. chapters, such quarterly
> payments should also cover any new CQ subscriptions (unless the
> chapter is not processing CQ subs for its members).
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> devinedwk2001@yahoo.com 06/20/01 11:48AM >>>
> Sharon probably can answer this better than I, but I
> would suspect it has to do with decreasing the amount
> of paperwork. I will have to look at our bylaws to
> see if there's any reason why a chapter can't choose
> to send in the monies at the quarterly point. You
> make a good argument for doing so, though I would not
> make it mandatory. Though, having some chapters
> choose to send in quarterly and others yearly would
> probably make Sharon's job more difficult in keeping
> track of which chapter has sent what.
>
> Sharon or anyone, your thoughts?
>
> Darla
>
>
>
> --- bruno@armyofdorkness.org wrote:
> >
> > I have had a question posed to my by our treasurer.
> > From what I
> > understand, the local chapters are only supposed to
> > send monies (dues and
> > CQ sub) to the ICG Treasurer in January with the
> > first quarterly report of
> > the year. My treasurer would like to any monies due
> > at least quarterly.
> >
> > One justification I can see is this:
> >
> > January Quarterly reports are due about January 6th.
> > If we gain a new
> > member on Jan 18th who also subscribes to the
> > Quarterly, those new monies
> > would be held at local for an entire year. As it
> > is, this member is not
> > even reported to Corporate until April and the CQ
> > subscription would begin
> > sometime after that. The CQ Editor would then
> > produce roughly 3 issues for
> > this new member before they receive any funds.
> >
> > With the issues that we have had currently over
> > funds, particularly CQ
> > funds, would it not make sense to get any monies
> > owed to the ICG in sooner?
> >
> > Could someone explain the reasoning behind only
> > sending in monies once a
> > year? Is it to reduce paperwork or trips to the
> > bank by Treasurer? Is it
> > to get in as much money at one time in order
> > calculate a budget for the
> > remainder of the year based on all monies received
> > in January?
> >
> > Michael
> > Millennium CG (the Rocky Mtn Front Range)
>
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Ok, I just read this again and have a question.

On January 6th, chapters should send in current memberhship list and dues
for all members. Now, it also states that any dues for all new members
should be sent in with the Quarterly reports.

If a member joins on September 15, they would be reported on the October 6
Quarterly, and dues paid. Then according to the standing rules. They
should be reported on the January 6 Quarterly as a current member, and send
dues in again.

It sounds to me that all memberships renew on January 6. We have been
operating under the format that memberships renew throughout the year as
the member joins.

On a rolling renewal schedule such as we have been using. The chapter
should send in all membership renewals in January, floating the cost to the
members, until the member's actual renewal date comes up later in the year.
If a member or members choose not to renew, the local chapter has taken a
loss on those members. It may not make much difference to take a loss on
a few members in the larger chapters, but the percentage is much higher in
the smaller groups.

So, if I have everything stated correctly, it sounds as if we should amend
our current dues process to make all memberships renew in January, then
prorate partial memberships throughout the year, to avoid having someone
pay twice in three months. It's hard enough to get dues out of some
people.

I hope I'm not being nit-picky, it's just that detail oriented part of me
coming out.

Michael


Byron Connell writes:

> Transmittal of dues is covered in Standing Rule 5, which probably
> has been amended more times than any other rule. However, the
> process it prescribes is not quite do what Michael said. Standing
> Rule 5 says that a chapter must provide on January 6 its complete
> list of its current members and dues for those members, and then
> provide updates on April 6, July 6, and October 6, including
> "payments for new members, together with new members' names
> and addresses and phone numbers (where provided) . . . ."
>
> As I read Standing Rule 5, therefore, a chapter should be sending
> updates four times a year, including payments for any persons who
> became members since the last quarterly statement. Standing
> Rule 22 provides that, from U.S. chapters, such quarterly
> payments should also cover any new CQ subscriptions (unless the
> chapter is not processing CQ subs for its members).
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> devinedwk2001@yahoo.com 06/20/01 11:48AM >>>
> Sharon probably can answer this better than I, but I
> would suspect it has to do with decreasing the amount
> of paperwork. I will have to look at our bylaws to
> see if there's any reason why a chapter can't choose
> to send in the monies at the quarterly point. You
> make a good argument for doing so, though I would not
> make it mandatory. Though, having some chapters
> choose to send in quarterly and others yearly would
> probably make Sharon's job more difficult in keeping
> track of which chapter has sent what.
>
> Sharon or anyone, your thoughts?
>
> Darla
>
>
>
> --- bruno@armyofdorkness.org wrote:
> >
> > I have had a question posed to my by our treasurer.
> > From what I
> > understand, the local chapters are only supposed to
> > send monies (dues and
> > CQ sub) to the ICG Treasurer in January with the
> > first quarterly report of
> > the year. My treasurer would like to any monies due
> > at least quarterly.
> >
> > One justification I can see is this:
> >
> > January Quarterly reports are due about January 6th.
> > If we gain a new
> > member on Jan 18th who also subscribes to the
> > Quarterly, those new monies
> > would be held at local for an entire year. As it
> > is, this member is not
> > even reported to Corporate until April and the CQ
> > subscription would begin
> > sometime after that. The CQ Editor would then
> > produce roughly 3 issues for
> > this new member before they receive any funds.
> >
> > With the issues that we have had currently over
> > funds, particularly CQ
> > funds, would it not make sense to get any monies
> > owed to the ICG in sooner?
> >
> > Could someone explain the reasoning behind only
> > sending in monies once a
> > year? Is it to reduce paperwork or trips to the
> > bank by Treasurer? Is it
> > to get in as much money at one time in order
> > calculate a budget for the
> > remainder of the year based on all monies received
> > in January?
> >
> > Michael
> > Millennium CG (the Rocky Mtn Front Range)
>
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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Quarterly Reports are due in 2 weeks

Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001
Time: 12:00AM PDT (GMT-07:00)

Remember Quarterly reports are due the 6th of every January,
April, July, and October.

The January report is also when all ICG dues and CQ subscription
moneies are due as well.

Hi all,

I'm only going to comment on the way things are currently happening -

Most chapters mean to send in things in a quarterly fashion and remit
dues as they are rec'd by members. There are some gold-star chapters
that I actually receive something from three or four times a year.
Southwest even sent a quarterly report that said they have nothing
new to report one time with their current membership list.

The Sick Pups operate in Mike Bruno's suggested fashion and send a
huge chunk of money in January/February for the long-term ICG members
they think are sticking around, then little amounts as new members
join. Basically they prepay for the bulk of their membership before
they renew. The updates for new members usually coincide with their
meetings so I may get up to six updates in one year.

UK is also annual and sends their annual report around May rather
than around January. All their members have May ICG expiration dates
so I haven't seen it as a problem. I think they remit after they
collect dues rather than the Pup method of prepaying.

I think the January annual update was initially brought up as an idea
to make the ICG treasurer's work easier if all members renewed with
the same January 1st date. I remember I was at a couple annual
meetings where it was discussed, but at the time it wasn't important
to me. Now that it is - I'm not picky, and it's probably easier than
pro-rating new members to January, and just go for example from June
2000 to June 2001.

As a reminder, I've rec'd no updates since the annual meeting, and
I'll be on vacation from late this week till almost mid-July.

Sharon

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Quarterly Reports are due tomorrow

Date: Friday, July 6, 2001
Time: 12:00AM PDT (GMT-07:00)

Remember Quarterly reports are due the 6th of every January,
April, July, and October.

The January report is also when all ICG dues and CQ subscription
moneies are due as well.

Please publish the following in your respective
newsletters. Thank you.

* * *

First I must apologize. I was hoping to have a report
for you on the minutes from the ICG Annual Meeting,
but I haven�t received the notes yet (there was a lot
to transcribe). As soon as I receive the
transcription, I will send a report immediately. It
should be by the end of this week (which is June 13).
However, I won�t wait until the beginning of next
month to get the information to you. I will send a
special message just for the purpose of letting you
know what happened at the meeting.

The one thing I can and should report to you is who
your officers are. As you already know, I�m (Darla
Kruger) president. Carl Mami is your vice-president,
Laura Rico is your corresponding secretary, Sharon
Trembley is the treasurer, and Dora Buck is the
recording secretary. Additionally, Carl Mami will
continue as editor of the Costumer�s Quarterly (CQ),
and I�ve asked Pierre Pettinger to continue as
parliamentarian. I have asked each of our officers to
please write a note of introduction about themselves
for all of you as did I. We will be sending those out
at the beginning of August and will include
information on how to contact any one of us. We want
to be �user friendly.�

In the meantime, I should talk about a few things that
are going on and perhaps tell you about some of my
plans.

1. As it stands now, we have not completed the next
budget. We do have a few months before it�s due, so
Sharon Trembley and I have been discussing my
parameters. Once we�ve hammered that out, we�ll
publish the budget. However, believe me, we won�t
wait until the deadline. I want it done ASAP, and
last minute rushes make me crazy in addition to not
being fair to our membership.

2. I am also going to work out a system for better
accountability regarding financial issues. I believe
that when you start getting into three digit figures
of spending, there needs to be approval in advance
from the president and the treasurer. Not that money
has been spent �willy-nilly� within the ICG, but it
helps keep better track of finances and prevents any
member from laying out money that we won�t or
shouldn�t reimburse.

3. Additionally, I�m working on some sort of concept
for giving recognition to an ICG member who has been
involved with us for less than 10 years. We presently
have the Lifetime Achievement Award which is
wonderful, but available to only those with 10 years
or more service to the costuming community. I think,
however, we need some formal recognition of those
people who�ve worked hard for our community but
haven�t put in all the years yet. It�s a good way to
encourage more involvement. I know I always like
getting recognition for a good job.

4. Finally (for this message, at least), I plan on
personally making it a crusade to get people to submit
articles to the CQ. The CQ is our best opportunity to
communicate with each other and the only form of
�newsletter� the ICG presently has. However, as has
been said ad nauseam, it is only as good as the
submissions it receives. Therefore, don�t be
surprised if many of you get PERSONAL phone calls from
me begging, cajoling, bribing, and if necessary,
threatening (ask anyone who knows me what that means)
to try and wheedle articles out of you. I want the CQ
to be worth the $18 subscription cost. (Remember,
NONE of your ICG membership money goes to pay for the
CQ whether you�re here in the States or somewhere
internationally).

So, those are just a few of my specific goals during
my presidency. I think all of these are attainable,
but I intend to get some help getting there. I look
forward to talking personally with many of you and
hopefully helping us to feel like a community.

Darla Kruger
President, ICG

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I sent the following email 4 weeks ago and have not yet received a reply.
Whilst I appreciate that John has other things to do with his time, but
what's the point of listing icg@costume.org as the query email address when
there's no reply? I sent another query sometime last year which I never got a
reply to, either.


Subj: Please can you resend ICG PResidents newsletters
Date: 25/06/01
To: icg@costume.org
CC: cathcguk@netcomuk.co.uk, JohnO@TyeDye.Org

John,

Due to a hardware failure, and a lack of strategically deployed backups, I no
longer have electronic copies of the ICG Presidents Newsletter for February
or March this year. Could you possibly resend them?

Many thanks,

Marion Byott (CGUK Membership Secretary/Treasurer)

Hello everyone. Starting tomorrow, July 26, I will be
unavailable for communication. I will return on July
31 to ICG-land. It is Costume College this weekend
(CGW's annual seminar). Be prepared because once I'm
done being in charge of that, I will be hitting the
pavement running on ICG matters. So expect a flurry
of communications and work beginning in August.

Sincerely,
Darla Kruger
President, ICG

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dearest darla
where will you be so I can send a back up of the disk or some address I can
send this thing to.
I hate this keyboard no matter what I am thinking it types where my fingers
go.

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From: "Darla Kruger" <devinedwk2001@yahoo.com>
To: "ICG BOD" <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:52 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] My whereabouts ...


> Hello everyone. Starting tomorrow, July 26, I will be
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> 31 to ICG-land. It is Costume College this weekend
> (CGW's annual seminar). Be prepared because once I'm
> done being in charge of that, I will be hitting the
> pavement running on ICG matters. So expect a flurry
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--- "C. D. Mami" <cdmami@home.com> wrote:

> dearest darla
> where will you be so I can send a back up of the
> disk or some address I can
> send this thing to.
> I hate this keyboard no matter what I am thinking it
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> July
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> weekend
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> the
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President, Costumer's Guild West
President, International Costumers' Guild

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[TO ALL CHAPTERS OF THE ICG. PLEASE PRINT THE
FOLLOWING MESSAGE COMPLETELY IN YOUR NEWSLETTERS THIS
MONTH (I.E. PLEASE DON'T JUST USE EXCERPTS). IT IS
OFFICIAL BUSINESS AND MUST BE REPORTED TO THE
MEMBERSHIP IN WHOLE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION
IN THIS MATTER.]

The following is my presidential report on the ICG
annual meeting which took place on May 27, 2001. It
is the first of two parts. Part two will appear in my
September presidential message. Breaking the report
into two parts was done to prevent the inconvenience
of a very long message which is hard for some of our
chapters to print in their newsletters. This is a
general report on what occured at the meeting and not
the official minutes.

REPORT (PART 1)

Treasurer�s Report
Sharon Trembly, ICG Treasurer, reported that as of
May 15, 2001, the ICG had 999 members-in-good-standing
(i.e., they�ve paid their dues). This does not
include late reports from several chapters so the
potential membership is higher than that. This is
compared to a budgeted membership of only 660. So
from a financial position our operating budget (not
addressing CQ budget issues) should not be
problematic. The latest total cash on hand in the
bank account, which includes both the operating
account and the CQ account, is $4,660.64. The
revenues received so far in the year 2001 include
$1,385 in dues and $587 in CQ subscriptions. There
are 132 paid quarterly subscribers with US addresses
and 88 mailing addresses outside of the United States.


The other two elements related to the Treasurer�s
Report are the 2002 budget. Sharon recommended that
the board not act on the budget at this time. It is
the BOD that passes the budget, not the voting
membership. We have a budget in place for 2001 which
was approved in 2000. The BOD can act anytime between
now and December 31st to adopt a budget for 2002.

Sharon also reported that the South Bay Costumers
Guild�s ICG recognition has been withdrawn. Sharon
was directed at the last annual meeting to contact
South Bay to notify them that their recognition would
be terminated if they did not contact us since we had
not heard from them in over twelve months. She wrote
to them on November 11, 2000 to inform them they had
thirty days to get their membership and back dues to
us. The deadline date was December 11, 2000. We did
not hear anything from them by that date, so
recognition of this chapter was terminated effective
December 11, 2000.

Archives Report
Carl Mami, Archives, reported that we now have 20,000
photos in archives. We (i.e. he) is running out of
room. He has been financially supporting the archives
himself for the most part, but with retiring his
retirement, he will need funds from the ICG to
continue. We received a generous donation from
Blockbuster Video who contributed the cases for the
CDs. Additionally, Carl has received John Upton�s
photos which are now also part of the archives. It
was suggested by Byron that the chapters need to reach
an agreement to receive a copy of the CDs so everyone
can access the photos.

Parliamentarian�s Report
Pierre Pettinger, Parliamentarian, informed the
membership of two motions under new business. Both
motion concerned amending the Standing Rules.

The first amendment was regarding a bookkeeping motion
to finalize action on the items that the BOD took
action on in the course of the year. The BOD enacted
an increase of the International Costumers Guild
membership dues to $4.00 and the subscription rate for
the Costumer�s Quarterly to $18.00. The Costumer�s
Quarterly increase is only applicable to US members.
Taking into account financial realities, as well
economic realities, neither of the dollar amounts had
been adjusted in ten years. The BOD actions have now
been incorporated into our Standing Rules. They were
amended in December 2000 and became effective January
6, 2001.

The other amendment was to clarify and make permanent
a set of duties held by the interim position of
Chapter Liaison. These duties were reassigned to the
Corresponding Secretary.

To make it clear, the new wording of SR18 is:

1) In addition to those duties assigned to the
Corresponding Secretary in the By-Laws or by the Board
of Directors, it shall also be the duty of the
Corresponding Secretary to

[a] be the chair of the ICG public relations
committee. The public relations committee shall be
responsible for public relations, publicity, and
supervision of ICG publications.

[b] to follow up with local chapters and remind them
of their responsibilities and duties to the ICG. It is
allowed that the Corresponding Secretary may, if it is
determined by the Corresponding Secretary to be
advantageous, to delegate this responsibility to a
second party.

[c] to maintain a calendar of all ICG deadlines and
events, including, but not limited to, membership due
dates, Costumers' Quarterly submissions, Annual
submissions, and proxy submissions, and to inform and
remind chapters of these items at 30 days, 14 days and
5 days prior to the deadline or event. These notices
may be sent electronically, via postal service or
telephonically.

=====
Sincerely,
Darla Kruger
Dean, Costume College 2001
President, Costumer's Guild West
President, International Costumers' Guild

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Hi --

I re-directed this to the Board. We did have a fan table at Bucconeer; as I
recall, we shared space with at least one Costume-Con. We didn't do one at
Chicon. If the Board wants to do this, it needs to contact MilPhil, gather
stuff to display (photos, flyers, Quarterlies, and so forth), and sign up
volunteers. On the one hand, it's a lot of work; on the other, it does give
us a visible presence at the World Science Fiction Convention and an
opportunity to let costuming and non-costuming sf fen know about us.

Byron


-----Original Message-----
From: JPSyms@aol.com <JPSyms@aol.com>
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:49 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] MilPhil

>Hello Gentles,
> For those of you going to the Worldcon, do people want to have an ICG
>Table there? The Deadline is approaching fast.
>
> Glicksohn's Maxim states, "IF3...If Fandom isn't fun,it's futile."
>
> John Syms
> Division Head of
>Exhibitions
> Millennium Philcon
>
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This is a VERY good idea.

Byron, me being the uninformed, when is MilPhil?

BOD, I'm assuming some of you are going to MilPhil.
Is there anyone going who might agree to help put a
table together and help arrange to get it manned?
Specifically, Dave (Doering), were you planning on
attending this one?

Darla Kruger
President, ICG

--- Byron Connell <BP.Connell@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> Hi --
>
> I re-directed this to the Board. We did have a fan
> table at Bucconeer; as I
> recall, we shared space with at least one
> Costume-Con. We didn't do one at
> Chicon. If the Board wants to do this, it needs to
> contact MilPhil, gather
> stuff to display (photos, flyers, Quarterlies, and
> so forth), and sign up
> volunteers. On the one hand, it's a lot of work; on
> the other, it does give
> us a visible presence at the World Science Fiction
> Convention and an
> opportunity to let costuming and non-costuming sf
> fen know about us.
>
> Byron
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JPSyms@aol.com <JPSyms@aol.com>
> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:49 PM
> Subject: [ICG-D] MilPhil
>
>
> >Hello Gentles,
> > For those of you going to the Worldcon, do
> people want to have an ICG
> >Table there? The Deadline is approaching fast.
> >
> > Glicksohn's Maxim states, "IF3...If Fandom isn't
> fun,it's futile."
> >
> >
> John Syms
> >
> Division Head of
> >Exhibitions
> >
> Millennium Philcon
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>

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Darla --

Hi. MilPhil [the Millenium Philcon] is Labor Day weekend,
Thursday, August 30, through Monday, September 3, in
Philadelphia.

Byron

>>> devinedwk2001@yahoo.com 08/13/01 01:50PM >>>

This is a VERY good idea.

Byron, me being the uninformed, when is MilPhil?

BOD, I'm assuming some of you are going to MilPhil.
Is there anyone going who might agree to help put a
table together and help arrange to get it manned?
Specifically, Dave (Doering), were you planning on
attending this one?

Darla Kruger
President, ICG

--- Byron Connell <BP.Connell@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> Hi --
>
> I re-directed this to the Board. We did have a fan
> table at Bucconeer; as I
> recall, we shared space with at least one
> Costume-Con. We didn't do one at
> Chicon. If the Board wants to do this, it needs to
> contact MilPhil, gather
> stuff to display (photos, flyers, Quarterlies, and
> so forth), and sign up
> volunteers. On the one hand, it's a lot of work; on
> the other, it does give
> us a visible presence at the World Science Fiction
> Convention and an
> opportunity to let costuming and non-costuming sf
> fen know about us.
>
> Byron
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JPSyms@aol.com <JPSyms@aol.com>
> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:49 PM
> Subject: [ICG-D] MilPhil
>
>
> >Hello Gentles,
> > For those of you going to the Worldcon, do
> people want to have an ICG
> >Table there? The Deadline is approaching fast.
> >
> > Glicksohn's Maxim states, "IF3...If Fandom isn't
> fun,it's futile."
> >
> >
> John Syms
> >
> Division Head of
> >Exhibitions
> >
> Millennium Philcon
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Hi Darla, et al.,

I will be going to MilPhil, but can't take charge due to the need to care
for my infant and a 52 foot Masquerade entry. But I can spell people at the
table, and provide a smiling face and a whole lot of enthusiasm.

Dina Flockhart

At 10:50 AM 8/13/01 -0700, you wrote:

>This is a VERY good idea.
>
>Byron, me being the uninformed, when is MilPhil?
>
>BOD, I'm assuming some of you are going to MilPhil.
>Is there anyone going who might agree to help put a
>table together and help arrange to get it manned?
>Specifically, Dave (Doering), were you planning on
>attending this one?
>
>Darla Kruger
>President, ICG
>
>--- Byron Connell <BP.Connell@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Hi --
>>
>> I re-directed this to the Board. We did have a fan
>> table at Bucconeer; as I
>> recall, we shared space with at least one
>> Costume-Con. We didn't do one at
>> Chicon. If the Board wants to do this, it needs to
>> contact MilPhil, gather
>> stuff to display (photos, flyers, Quarterlies, and
>> so forth), and sign up
>> volunteers. On the one hand, it's a lot of work; on
>> the other, it does give
>> us a visible presence at the World Science Fiction
>> Convention and an
>> opportunity to let costuming and non-costuming sf
>> fen know about us.
>>
>> Byron
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: JPSyms@aol.com <JPSyms@aol.com>
>> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:49 PM
>> Subject: [ICG-D] MilPhil
>>
>>
>> >Hello Gentles,
>> > For those of you going to the Worldcon, do
>> people want to have an ICG
>> >Table there? The Deadline is approaching fast.
>> >
>> > Glicksohn's Maxim states, "IF3...If Fandom isn't
>> fun,it's futile."
>> >
>> >
>> John Syms
>> >
>> Division Head of
>> >Exhibitions
>> >
>> Millennium Philcon
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Perfect Dina. I'll see if we can get a volunteer to
head the thing, but we'll take you up on your offer to
spell the table. Thanks.

Darla

--- Dina Flockhart <cloak@ziplink.net> wrote:

> Hi Darla, et al.,
>
> I will be going to MilPhil, but can't take charge
> due to the need to care
> for my infant and a 52 foot Masquerade entry. But I
> can spell people at the
> table, and provide a smiling face and a whole lot of
> enthusiasm.
>
> Dina Flockhart
>
> At 10:50 AM 8/13/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >This is a VERY good idea.
> >
> >Byron, me being the uninformed, when is MilPhil?
> >
> >BOD, I'm assuming some of you are going to MilPhil.
>
> >Is there anyone going who might agree to help put a
> >table together and help arrange to get it manned?
> >Specifically, Dave (Doering), were you planning on
> >attending this one?
> >
> >Darla Kruger
> >President, ICG
> >
> >--- Byron Connell <BP.Connell@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
> >> Hi --
> >>
> >> I re-directed this to the Board. We did have a
> fan
> >> table at Bucconeer; as I
> >> recall, we shared space with at least one
> >> Costume-Con. We didn't do one at
> >> Chicon. If the Board wants to do this, it needs
> to
> >> contact MilPhil, gather
> >> stuff to display (photos, flyers, Quarterlies,
> and
> >> so forth), and sign up
> >> volunteers. On the one hand, it's a lot of work;
> on
> >> the other, it does give
> >> us a visible presence at the World Science
> Fiction
> >> Convention and an
> >> opportunity to let costuming and non-costuming sf
> >> fen know about us.
> >>
> >> Byron
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: JPSyms@aol.com <JPSyms@aol.com>
> >> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:49 PM
> >> Subject: [ICG-D] MilPhil
> >>
> >>
> >> >Hello Gentles,
> >> > For those of you going to the Worldcon, do
> >> people want to have an ICG
> >> >Table there? The Deadline is approaching fast.
> >> >
> >> > Glicksohn's Maxim states, "IF3...If Fandom
> isn't
> >> fun,it's futile."
> >> >
> >> >
>
> >> John Syms
> >> >
>
> >> Division Head of
> >> >Exhibitions
> >> >
>
> >> Millennium Philcon
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I won't be at MilPhil. I don't generally make it to World. But it is a
great idea. We do club table's and costume displays at 3 cons a year. So,
I know how much work it is. I've missed quite a few cons because I was
standing at the table all weekend. Our next table/display will be at a
large media con here over Labor Day. We'll also be handing out our own
guild Hall Costume Awards because the con doesn't do them any more.

Michael
MCG


Darla Kruger writes:

> Perfect Dina. I'll see if we can get a volunteer to
> head the thing, but we'll take you up on your offer to
> spell the table. Thanks.
>
> Darla
>
> --- Dina Flockhart <cloak@ziplink.net> wrote:
> > Hi Darla, et al.,
> >
> > I will be going to MilPhil, but can't take charge
> > due to the need to care
> > for my infant and a 52 foot Masquerade entry. But I
> > can spell people at the
> > table, and provide a smiling face and a whole lot of
> > enthusiasm.
> >
> > Dina Flockhart
> >
> > At 10:50 AM 8/13/01 -0700, you wrote:
> > >This is a VERY good idea.
> > >
> > >Byron, me being the uninformed, when is MilPhil?
> > >
> > >BOD, I'm assuming some of you are going to MilPhil.
> >
> > >Is there anyone going who might agree to help put a
> > >table together and help arrange to get it manned?
> > >Specifically, Dave (Doering), were you planning on
> > >attending this one?
> > >
> > >Darla Kruger
> > >President, ICG
> > >
> > >--- Byron Connell <BP.Connell@worldnet.att.net>
> > wrote:
> > >> Hi --
> > >>
> > >> I re-directed this to the Board. We did have a
> > fan
> > >> table at Bucconeer; as I
> > >> recall, we shared space with at least one
> > >> Costume-Con. We didn't do one at
> > >> Chicon. If the Board wants to do this, it needs
> > to
> > >> contact MilPhil, gather
> > >> stuff to display (photos, flyers, Quarterlies,
> > and
> > >> so forth), and sign up
> > >> volunteers. On the one hand, it's a lot of work;
> > on
> > >> the other, it does give
> > >> us a visible presence at the World Science
> > Fiction
> > >> Convention and an
> > >> opportunity to let costuming and non-costuming sf
> > >> fen know about us.
> > >>
> > >> Byron
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: JPSyms@aol.com <JPSyms@aol.com>
> > >> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:49 PM
> > >> Subject: [ICG-D] MilPhil
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >Hello Gentles,
> > >> > For those of you going to the Worldcon, do
> > >> people want to have an ICG
> > >> >Table there? The Deadline is approaching fast.
> > >> >
> > >> > Glicksohn's Maxim states, "IF3...If Fandom
> > isn't
> > >> fun,it's futile."
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> > >> John Syms
> > >> >
> >
> > >> Division Head of
> > >> >Exhibitions
> > >> >
> >
> > >> Millennium Philcon
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I will not be attending WorldCon this year and now you know why ;^)

Sharon


--- In ICG-BOD@y..., bruno@a... wrote in part:

>
> I won't be at MilPhil. I don't generally make it to World.

> Michael
> MCG
>

Uhm,why?

Michael


Sharon writes:

> I will not be attending WorldCon this year and now you know why ;^)
>
> Sharon
>
>
> --- In ICG-BOD@y..., bruno@a... wrote in part:
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> > I won't be at MilPhil. I don't generally make it to World.
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I'm forwarding this from the discussion list as Bruce Briant has posed
questions to the BOD regarding legal issues of broadcasting masquerades on
the internet.

Michael

-----------

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<tt>
Quoting Pierre and Sandy (shouldn't that be Pierre et Sandy?)<BR>
<BR>

>>I left all of Suford's message below. While the issues she

raises<BR>
niggled <BR>
in the back of my mind when this first came up, her explanation below is
<BR>
certainly cognizant of the basic problems streaming would entail. The <BR>
masquerade often skirts the lines very closely. I don't think we've <BR>
actually crossed them and we need to be careful not to. We're not a big
<BR>
entity and are easily ignorable by the big and powerful; but if we
shove<BR>
a <BR>
pie into their faces they will be forced to notice us.<<<BR>
<BR>
This reply from P&S needs some clarification.<BR>
<BR>
"I don't think we've actually crossed them and we need to be
careful..."<BR>
Who is "we"? If you mean the conrunning community, then this
needs to be<BR>
posted to a SMOF list. If you mean the masquerade running community,<BR>
that's probably a lot of people on this list . If you mean the ICG (
Mr.<BR>
ex-funny-hat-wearer) then this needs to be brought to the attention of<BR>
the current president ASAP, no? Or is there an existing committee for<BR>
technology issues?<BR>
<BR>
"We're not a big entity..." Correct me if I'm wrong, but the
ICG--the<BR>
non-profit educational organization--is probably not liable for any<BR>
damages a convention suffers because the convention broadcast
copyrighted<BR>
music and/or characters.<BR>
<BR>
What I feel is more likely to happen in the above scenario is that the<BR>
ICG and/or costumers in general would be blamed by the con running<BR>
community for the mistake of this hypothetical convention. And up
springs<BR>
an urban legend that masquerades can get a convention sued, so better
not<BR>
have a masquerade!<BR>
<BR>
My two questions, a while back, were does the ICG have a position on
this<BR>
issue, and should the ICG have a position on this issue? Are there any<BR>
current officers who can answer these questions?<BR>
<BR>
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All the points are well made and in the end where the buck stops (sorry
Dora) will be important
Until we get legal advise we should NOT go there
there are reasons they have lawyers this is several of them and the point
was well made when all is said and done this will be some ones fault lets
not make it ours
Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: <bruno@armyofdorkness.org>
To: <icg-bod@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:24 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Broadcasting Masquerade (fwd)


>
> I'm forwarding this from the discussion list as Bruce Briant has posed
> questions to the BOD regarding legal issues of broadcasting masquerades on
> the internet.
>
> Michael
>
> -----------
>
> <html><body>
> <tt>
> Quoting Pierre and Sandy (shouldn't that be Pierre et Sandy?)<BR>
> <BR>
> >>I left all of Suford's message below. While the issues she
> raises<BR>
> niggled <BR>
> in the back of my mind when this first came up, her explanation below is
> <BR>
> certainly cognizant of the basic problems streaming would entail. The <BR>
> masquerade often skirts the lines very closely. I don't think we've <BR>
> actually crossed them and we need to be careful not to. We're not a big
> <BR>
> entity and are easily ignorable by the big and powerful; but if we
> shove<BR>
> a <BR>
> pie into their faces they will be forced to notice us.<<<BR>
> <BR>
> This reply from P&S needs some clarification.<BR>
> <BR>
> "I don't think we've actually crossed them and we need to be
> careful..."<BR>
> Who is "we"? If you mean the conrunning community, then this
> needs to be<BR>
> posted to a SMOF list. If you mean the masquerade running community,<BR>
> that's probably a lot of people on this list . If you mean the ICG (
> Mr.<BR>
> ex-funny-hat-wearer) then this needs to be brought to the attention of<BR>
> the current president ASAP, no? Or is there an existing committee for<BR>
> technology issues?<BR>
> <BR>
> "We're not a big entity..." Correct me if I'm wrong, but the
> ICG--the<BR>
> non-profit educational organization--is probably not liable for any<BR>
> damages a convention suffers because the convention broadcast
> copyrighted<BR>
> music and/or characters.<BR>
> <BR>
> What I feel is more likely to happen in the above scenario is that the<BR>
> ICG and/or costumers in general would be blamed by the con running<BR>
> community for the mistake of this hypothetical convention. And up
> springs<BR>
> an urban legend that masquerades can get a convention sued, so better
> not<BR>
> have a masquerade!<BR>
> <BR>
> My two questions, a while back, were does the ICG have a position on
> this<BR>
> issue, and should the ICG have a position on this issue? Are there any<BR>
> current officers who can answer these questions?<BR>
> <BR>
> Bruce B.<BR>
> <BR>
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Unfortunately, the present president (i.e., me)
received an extremely garbled version of the original
message to the point of not being readable. I would
appreciate getting a readable version.

From what I can gather (and this is an assumption of
what I believe the question is), someone wants to know
what the legal ramifications might be are if we put
the video masquerade on the internet, and can we
legally do this without liability. Well, there are
some questions that must be asked first. Who owns the
original of the video? In the release the entrants
signed was there mention of electronic publication?
What is the purpose for publishing the video in this
manner? General entertainment? Financial profit?
These are some basic questions that must be answered
before any other issues should come up.

Ultimately, I have to be blunt, this is a very
complicated and sticky area of the law. Unless we're
willing to pay (and I mean pay - not get free advice
from a lawyer who doesn't specialize in this area) a
lawyer who is a specialist, I would not support
posting a masquerade video on a website. There are
too many factors that could go legally wrong. I would
err on the side of caution in this case. I cannot see
how the benefits (and what would those benefits be)
would outweigh the dangers.

Are we willing to pay a lawyer $300+ an hour to find
out if this is something we legally can do? And if we
are willing to, where is the money coming from?

Darla



--- "C. D. Mami" <cdmami@home.com> wrote:

> All the points are well made and in the end where
> the buck stops (sorry
> Dora) will be important
> Until we get legal advise we should NOT go there
> there are reasons they have lawyers this is several
> of them and the point
> was well made when all is said and done this will be
> some ones fault lets
> not make it ours
> Carl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bruno@armyofdorkness.org>
> To: <icg-bod@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:24 PM
> Subject: [ICG-BOD] Broadcasting Masquerade (fwd)
>
>
> >
> > I'm forwarding this from the discussion list as
> Bruce Briant has posed
> > questions to the BOD regarding legal issues of
> broadcasting masquerades on
> > the internet.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----------
> >
> > <html><body>
> > <tt>
> > Quoting Pierre and Sandy (shouldn't that be Pierre
> et Sandy?)<BR>
> > <BR>
> > >>I left all of Suford's message below.
> While the issues she
> > raises<BR>
> > niggled <BR>
> > in the back of my mind when this first came up,
> her explanation below is
> > <BR>
> > certainly cognizant of the basic problems
> streaming would entail. The <BR>
> > masquerade often skirts the lines very closely. I
> don't think we've <BR>
> > actually crossed them and we need to be careful
> not to. We're not a big
> > <BR>
> > entity and are easily ignorable by the big and
> powerful; but if we
> > shove<BR>
> > a <BR>
> > pie into their faces they will be forced to notice
> us.<<<BR>
> > <BR>
> > This reply from P&S needs some
> clarification.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > "I don't think we've actually crossed them
> and we need to be
> > careful..."<BR>
> > Who is "we"? If you mean the conrunning
> community, then this
> > needs to be<BR>
> > posted to a SMOF list. If you mean the masquerade
> running community,<BR>
> > that's probably a lot of people on this list . If
> you mean the ICG (
> > Mr.<BR>
> > ex-funny-hat-wearer) then this needs to be brought
> to the attention of<BR>
> > the current president ASAP, no? Or is there an
> existing committee for<BR>
> > technology issues?<BR>
> > <BR>
> > "We're not a big entity..." Correct me
> if I'm wrong, but the
> > ICG--the<BR>
> > non-profit educational organization--is probably
> not liable for any<BR>
> > damages a convention suffers because the
> convention broadcast
> > copyrighted<BR>
> > music and/or characters.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > What I feel is more likely to happen in the above
> scenario is that the<BR>
> > ICG and/or costumers in general would be blamed by
> the con running<BR>
> > community for the mistake of this hypothetical
> convention. And up
> > springs<BR>
> > an urban legend that masquerades can get a
> convention sued, so better
> > not<BR>
> > have a masquerade!<BR>
> > <BR>
> > My two questions, a while back, were does the ICG
> have a position on
> > this<BR>
> > issue, and should the ICG have a position on this
> issue? Are there any<BR>
> > current officers who can answer these
> questions?<BR>
> > <BR>
> > Bruce B.<BR>
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Darla,

I think the idea was to broadcast it over the Web live.
There's various things been said about this on the D list, with various
points being made about making the Masquerade run late while the tech is
tweaked, and the fact that not everyone with internet access has an adequate
link to make it worth while (jerky jumpy picture, I think was the gist of it).
Copyright mentions were the music played and specific recreations of trade
marked characters.
Someone else can go back through the past couple of weeks worth of digests to
cull all the relevant bits for you - I'm suffering from magazine production
overload and I want to focus on something else for a bit. I'll maybe send
them to you next week off-list.

There was also a comment about would this put people off from coming to the
actual event.
As someone in the UK, and who isn't currently likely to be travelling over to
either the States or Australia for any of these events, and would really like
more details of the Masquerades, I'd rather the extra effort/tech went into
the videos available later (something I need to contact Carl Mami about at
some point, for the more recent ones - but way down my priority list). I
recall Chris Ballis mentionng some deal with a TV company for CC20 is Oz.
which may cover that one.

That replay function is pretty useful sometimes! And the video (once you
have it) is available when it's convenient for me/whoever, not when the event
is running live, in a different time zone, which may be when I'm supposed to
be somewhere else. And yes, I have had a 'phone call from work at 7am on a
Sunday when I wasn't on call.
Personally, I wouldn't want to be on-line for that amount of time - whilst
this is partly due to my particular ISP contract and tech. set-up, it's also
a personal preference (emails are read and written off-line, and usualy filed
away for future reference). Other people are fine with being on-line all
night - that's their choice.

I'll copy that last bit to the D list - at the moment I feel it's a case of
'Let's play with this new tech. toy', and I reckon the the likely effort
involved outweighs the benefit. Maybe in a few years when the tech is more
widely avaialbale and tested, and someone else has been toasted for the
copyright infringement....

Marion Byott (CGUK Membership Secretary/Treasurer/temporary 'zine Editor/I
just watch this list, I don't get to vote....)

Darla,

The initial premise for this was to do a live web-simulcast of the
Masquerade for the benefit of those who are unable to attend. Over the
course of the last week, the discussions on the ICG list have pretty much
come to the conclusion that it is an idea probably best not pursued. It
has also been voiced that the ICG probably doesn't need to have an official
position on the issue as it is not directly responsible for the running of
any masquerades.

Perhaps an addendum to the guidelines that a web-simulcast of the
masquerade is probably not a good idea, should anyone consider it in the
future.

Michael


Darla Kruger writes:

> Unfortunately, the present president (i.e., me)
> received an extremely garbled version of the original
> message to the point of not being readable. I would
> appreciate getting a readable version.
>
> From what I can gather (and this is an assumption of
> what I believe the question is), someone wants to know
> what the legal ramifications might be are if we put
> the video masquerade on the internet, and can we
> legally do this without liability. Well, there are
> some questions that must be asked first. Who owns the
> original of the video? In the release the entrants
> signed was there mention of electronic publication?
> What is the purpose for publishing the video in this
> manner? General entertainment? Financial profit?
> These are some basic questions that must be answered
> before any other issues should come up.
>
> Ultimately, I have to be blunt, this is a very
> complicated and sticky area of the law. Unless we're
> willing to pay (and I mean pay - not get free advice
> from a lawyer who doesn't specialize in this area) a
> lawyer who is a specialist, I would not support
> posting a masquerade video on a website. There are
> too many factors that could go legally wrong. I would
> err on the side of caution in this case. I cannot see
> how the benefits (and what would those benefits be)
> would outweigh the dangers.
>
> Are we willing to pay a lawyer $300+ an hour to find
> out if this is something we legally can do? And if we
> are willing to, where is the money coming from?
>
> Darla
>
>
>
> --- "C. D. Mami" <cdmami@home.com> wrote:
> > All the points are well made and in the end where
> > the buck stops (sorry
> > Dora) will be important
> > Until we get legal advise we should NOT go there
> > there are reasons they have lawyers this is several
> > of them and the point
> > was well made when all is said and done this will be
> > some ones fault lets
> > not make it ours
> > Carl
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <bruno@armyofdorkness.org>
> > To: <icg-bod@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:24 PM
> > Subject: [ICG-BOD] Broadcasting Masquerade (fwd)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'm forwarding this from the discussion list as
> > Bruce Briant has posed
> > > questions to the BOD regarding legal issues of
> > broadcasting masquerades on
> > > the internet.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----------
> > >
> > > <html><body>
> > > <tt>
> > > Quoting Pierre and Sandy (shouldn't that be Pierre
> > et Sandy?)<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > >>I left all of Suford's message below.
> > While the issues she
> > > raises<BR>
> > > niggled <BR>
> > > in the back of my mind when this first came up,
> > her explanation below is
> > > <BR>
> > > certainly cognizant of the basic problems
> > streaming would entail. The <BR>
> > > masquerade often skirts the lines very closely. I
> > don't think we've <BR>
> > > actually crossed them and we need to be careful
> > not to. We're not a big
> > > <BR>
> > > entity and are easily ignorable by the big and
> > powerful; but if we
> > > shove<BR>
> > > a <BR>
> > > pie into their faces they will be forced to notice
> > us.<<<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > This reply from P&S needs some
> > clarification.<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > "I don't think we've actually crossed them
> > and we need to be
> > > careful..."<BR>
> > > Who is "we"? If you mean the conrunning
> > community, then this
> > > needs to be<BR>
> > > posted to a SMOF list. If you mean the masquerade
> > running community,<BR>
> > > that's probably a lot of people on this list . If
> > you mean the ICG (
> > > Mr.<BR>
> > > ex-funny-hat-wearer) then this needs to be brought
> > to the attention of<BR>
> > > the current president ASAP, no? Or is there an
> > existing committee for<BR>
> > > technology issues?<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > "We're not a big entity..." Correct me
> > if I'm wrong, but the
> > > ICG--the<BR>
> > > non-profit educational organization--is probably
> > not liable for any<BR>
> > > damages a convention suffers because the
> > convention broadcast
> > > copyrighted<BR>
> > > music and/or characters.<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > What I feel is more likely to happen in the above
> > scenario is that the<BR>
> > > ICG and/or costumers in general would be blamed by
> > the con running<BR>
> > > community for the mistake of this hypothetical
> > convention. And up
> > > springs<BR>
> > > an urban legend that masquerades can get a
> > convention sued, so better
> > > not<BR>
> > > have a masquerade!<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > My two questions, a while back, were does the ICG
> > have a position on
> > > this<BR>
> > > issue, and should the ICG have a position on this
> > issue? Are there any<BR>
> > > current officers who can answer these
> > questions?<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > Bruce B.<BR>
> > > <BR>
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> > impossible."<BR>
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Hello everyone. After having reviewed a few responses
(including a decipherment of the original message), I
am taking the position that the ICG should take no
position on this issue whatsoever.

My reasons for this are as follows:

(1) The ICG has no part in producing the
events/masquerades for which these videos are made;

(2) The ICG owns no rights to these videos;

(3) The ICG is not intending on broadcasting the
videos on its website (either now or in the forseeable
future);

(4) We are not experts and have very little knowledge
as to the present status of laws which cover
broadcasting over the internet; and

(5) Since the issue is our position on others
broadcasting their videos on their websites, we really
have no right to dictate or tell others what they
should or shouldn't do with their own property.

Darla



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Sincerely,
Darla Kruger
Dean, Costume College 2001
President, Costumer's Guild West
President, International Costumers' Guild

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Hi again everyone.

As you may have read in one of my previous
presidential messages, I want to begin giving a new
yearly award to an ICG member that isn't based on a
long term committment (i.e. the 10 years needed for a
lifetime achievement award). Since we want to
encourage more involvement by our members, I thought
it would be nice to reward someone who's gone above
and beyond for us in a short term way. It would be
like an ICG special recognition award. The reason I'm
coming to all of you regarding this is to open
discussions on this issue. Here are the questions:

(1) What would the parameters of the award be?
Inotherwords, what would the person basically have to
do to qualify for the award? Do we want to set a list
of "qualifiers" or should we just wait and see what
they've done and decide whether they deserve the award
simply on the individual merits?

(2) Would this special award only be available to
someone who has done good deeds for the ICG, or would
we expand it to allow the chapters to recommend
someone who had done a lot for just their chapter?
(It would be nice for a chapter member to receive
international recognition.)

(3) Would we say there's a service time limit (in
other words, does it have to be an ICG/chapter member
who has been with us for at least one year)?

(4) What would the award be? A plaque, a gift
certificate, a pin?

(5) Who would ultimately choose the recipient? Would
it be up to a vote of the BOD, the ICG officers, or
just the president making the final decision from a
list of recommended recipients? I personally wouldn't
want to open it up to a vote from the general
membership, too complicated and too long a response
time.

(6) When would the award be given? At the same time
as our lifetime achievement award or at a different
time of year?

Okay, so that's the basic discussion. I'm sure I
haven't thought of every question. Let me know what
you all think.

Thanks in advance.

Darla

P.S. Laura Rico, your corresponding secretary, has not
be put on the ICG-BOD group e-mail. Can you all make
sure in your responses that she is including in your
address line? It's ToLRico@aol.com. Thanks.

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Darla,

I think it is a great idea. Sort of a Junior Achievement award.
See my comments to your questions below.

Michael

Darla Kruger writes:

>
> (1) What would the parameters of the award be?
> Inotherwords, what would the person basically have to
> do to qualify for the award? Do we want to set a list
> of "qualifiers" or should we just wait and see what
> they've done and decide whether they deserve the award
> simply on the individual merits?

I think that it should be pretty much the same as the Lifetime Achievement
Award. Service to the costuming commuity of less than 5 years.

>
> (2) Would this special award only be available to
> someone who has done good deeds for the ICG, or would
> we expand it to allow the chapters to recommend
> someone who had done a lot for just their chapter?
> (It would be nice for a chapter member to receive
> international recognition.)

Good deeds done for a chapter are still good deeds done for the ICG, just
at a different level. Starting a chapter, working at the local level,
recruiting new members for the ICG, can all be more meritous to the ICG
than serving as an officer.

>
> (3) Would we say there's a service time limit (in
> other words, does it have to be an ICG/chapter member
> who has been with us for at least one year)?

I think that it would probably take a year of membership and service to
fully visualize the results of their efforts.

>
> (4) What would the award be? A plaque, a gift
> certificate, a pin?

Maybe a smaller plaque than the Lifetime.

>
> (5) Who would ultimately choose the recipient? Would
> it be up to a vote of the BOD, the ICG officers, or
> just the president making the final decision from a
> list of recommended recipients? I personally wouldn't
> want to open it up to a vote from the general
> membership, too complicated and too long a response
> time.

Probably use the same system as in place for the Lifetime.

>
> (6) When would the award be given? At the same time
> as our lifetime achievement award or at a different
> time of year?

Award to be given at CC, same at Lifetime.

>
> Okay, so that's the basic discussion. I'm sure I
> haven't thought of every question. Let me know what
> you all think.

Option: As the Lifetime seems to generally be given to people who have
been active at the international level, perhaps the Junior could be for
people who have been active at the local level. Many people new to the ICG
are more likely to get their start in service at the local level, before
moving up to BOD/International levels.

There may be many more people nominated for the 5 year than the 10 year.
If the award was aimed more at service to the costuming community at the
local level then perhaps nominations could be limited to so many from each
chapter. Since there don't seem to be any real benefits to being a member
of the ICG, this could be one of them

Bryon makes some very good points. To support what he
has to say in his next to last paragraph, I have thus
far received only two replies regarding my polling of
the ICG BOD on this questions. I think that's
appalling, to be blunt. I would rather get your
feedback than become a dictator and make all decisions
without the input from those of us who are
theoretically running this show. It is not very
encouraging to me as president for the upcoming year.

Separately from that, my leanings so far are this:

1) The award should be open to any member of any
chapter of the ICG (i.e., chapter level
contributions). The award should be for service to
either the ICG or a chapter. I think it's
psychologically good for the ICG to recognize
contributions at the chapter level rather than than
the costuming community as a whole. The reason I feel
it should be kept at the chapter level is because
we're trying to encourage service to our chapters
(which indirectly serves the ICG) and recognition of
that service is very important. It also gives the ICG
a more recognizable presence at the chapter level.
However, if a person has significantly contributed to
a chapter, yet is not a member of that chapter, it
should not preclude them from being eligible for this
award.

2) I think we should ask the chapters every year for a
nomination from each of them (if this means me
personally calling each and every chapter to get such
information, then so be it). Submitted with this
nomination should be a 50-word description of why the
chapter believes this person should receive the award.
More than one person from a chapter can be nominated
and anyone can do the nominating.

3) In light of the apathy present at the BOD level of
the ICG (which, by the way, only rolls down hill), I
believe that once the nominations are received, the
recipient should either be chosen by the president (on
the merits of the chapter's description of
contributions), or by the ICG Officers. This
elminates the "voting" process since we can't seem to
get anybody to participate, then we just more forward
without you. Under these circumstances, we would call
it the President's/ICG Officers' Award of Excellence.

4) I don't believe there should be any limits or per
se guidelines as to what the person had to do to be
nominated. The only parameter would be that they
should have been contributing or a member for at least
one year.

5) The award should be given at the end of each year
and announced with the December or January President's
Message. Then a plaque should be mailed to the
recipient.

I don't believe that there is a real issue of
splitting focus here as with the CQ/Annual issue.
This is a separate award and if ultimately given by
either the President or the ICG Officers, then we're
not asking the BOD to act on another issue that they
won't vote on anyway. Also, the difference here is we
are not asking people to give us cash for product,
we're not trying to sell something to them, and we're
not producing something with this award that takes a
lot of energy and focus. I also don't believe we
would be "killing off one award for the other." This
is simply to give recognition to and encourage
involvement by our "younger" (i.e., less than ten
years of service) members. Just because your
recognized with this award, does not mean your
ineligible for the LAA, either. In fact, in a way it
could be a stepping stone.

That's my opinion. I hope THIS time to hear from more
of you.

Darla


--- Byron Connell <BP.Connell@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> At least during my tenure, most nominations for the
> LAA came either from the
> Pups or the Sluts. One of the things that may
> inhibit nominations is the
> idea of "service to the entire costuming community."
> That suggests that an
> award that welcomes nominations of persons who have
> contributed to their
> local chapter or local costuming community may draw
> more nominations.
>
> On the other hand, Ken Warren argued that there was
> insufficient support for
> publications to cover both the Quarterly and the
> Annual. We have suspended
> the latter with the idea that one of the four issues
> of the Quarterly would
> be the kind of pictorial that we expected of the
> Annual. Is there
> sufficient support for two awards? Will we get
> nominees for both or will
> one kill the other off?
>
> The more names there on the ballot, the more likely
> it is that voting
> strength will be diluted. This year, the LAA was
> decided by one vote! The
> Board has the same problem that plagues American
> political elections -- low
> voter turnout. I have not mentioned this before,
> but only about one-third
> of the members bother to vote! We need to improve
> that record
> significantly. A new award that attracts several
> nominations will require
> that every Board member votes in order to reach
> valid decisions.
>
> BTW, nominations for the LAA are not limited to ICG
> members; there have been
> a few nominees who have not been members. Ought the
> new award be open to
> anyone who has made significant contributions, or
> only to ICG members who
> have done so?
>
> Byron
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: Darla Kruger <devinedwk2001@yahoo.com>
> To: ICG BOD <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>;
> ToLRico@aol.com <ToLRico@aol.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:30 PM
> Subject: [ICG-BOD] New achievment award
>
>
> >Hi again everyone.
> >
> >As you may have read in one of my previous
> >presidential messages, I want to begin giving a new
> >yearly award to an ICG member that isn't based on a
> >long term committment (i.e. the 10 years needed for
> a
> >lifetime achievement award). Since we want to
> >encourage more involvement by our members, I
> thought
> >it would be nice to reward someone who's gone above
> >and beyond for us in a short term way. It would be
> >like an ICG special recognition award. The reason
> I'm
> >coming to all of you regarding this is to open
> >discussions on this issue. Here are the questions:
> >
> >(1) What would the parameters of the award be?
> >Inotherwords, what would the person basically have
> to
> >do to qualify for the award? Do we want to set a
> list
> >of "qualifiers" or should we just wait and see what
> >they've done and decide whether they deserve the
> award
> >simply on the individual merits?
> >
> >(2) Would this special award only be available to
> >someone who has done good deeds for the ICG, or
> would
> >we expand it to allow the chapters to recommend
> >someone who had done a lot for just their chapter?
> >(It would be nice for a chapter member to receive
> >international recognition.)
> >
> >(3) Would we say there's a service time limit (in
> >other words, does it have to be an ICG/chapter
> member
> >who has been with us for at least one year)?
> >
> >(4) What would the award be? A plaque, a gift
> >certificate, a pin?
> >
> >(5) Who would ultimately choose the recipient?
> Would
> >it be up to a vote of the BOD, the ICG officers, or
> >just the president making the final decision from a
> >list of recommended recipients? I personally
> wouldn't
> >want to open it up to a vote from the general
> >membership, too complicated and too long a response
> >time.
> >
> >(6) When would the award be given? At the same
> time
> >as our lifetime achievement award or at a different
> >time of year?
> >
> >Okay, so that's the basic discussion. I'm sure I
> >haven't thought of every question. Let me know
> what
> >you all think.
> >
> >Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Darla
> >
> >P.S. Laura Rico, your corresponding secretary, has
> not
> >be put on the ICG-BOD group e-mail. Can you all
> make
> >sure in your responses that she is including in
> your
> >address line? It's ToLRico@aol.com. Thanks.
>
>

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Hi one and all,

I was holding off commenting on the achievement awards
until I could get group feedback at our meeting on
Saturday. However, until I get our members' views on
the subject, I will give a little info on the lifetime
award. We at the GCFCG have a P.O. Box used as our
mailing address that was set-up when the group was
founded as a contact point that would never change.
Also, until recently, few of our group had a computer.
As long as I have been a member, it seems every time
nominations are opened and voting requested the
deadline fell a week before our mailbox was checked
(unfortunately, it is a bit of a distance from all
current members) and a meeting held. Now that we are
on the BOD list, I hope this will not happen once
again. In fact, at our last meeting we discussed our
nomination for the lifetime award. If nominations and
voting occur the same time every year, please contact
me with the dates and I can plan ahead to get
everything in place by the deadline.

As for my personal opinion on the service award, I
think it is a wonderful acknowledgment to those who
serve their individual guilds and may not have had a
long history in costuming or simply not enough time in
their lives to extend service to the ICG as a whole.
(I am continually amazed at the time and dedication
that our ICG officers are willing and able to
contribute.)
For those whose service is more guild oriented, it can
be very disheartening to work year after year with no
acknowlegement. Unfortunately, it is the nature of
groups to expect that everything just happens and they
forget the hours of work that it takes to keep their
group functioning and active. A pat on the back and
some public acknowledgment go a long way reinspire
those who dedicate themselves to what appear on the
surface to be sometimes thankless jobs.

In summation, I personally agree with the award and
its goal to inspire and concur with Darla on the
criteria for such an award.

Ann Stephens
President
Greater Columbia Fantasy Costumers Guild


--- Darla Kruger <devinedwk2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bryon makes some very good points. To support what
> he
> has to say in his next to last paragraph, I have
> thus
> far received only two replies regarding my polling
> of
> the ICG BOD on this questions. I think that's
> appalling, to be blunt. I would rather get your
> feedback than become a dictator and make all
> decisions
> without the input from those of us who are
> theoretically running this show. It is not very
> encouraging to me as president for the upcoming
> year.
>
> Separately from that, my leanings so far are this:
>
> 1) The award should be open to any member of any
> chapter of the ICG (i.e., chapter level
> contributions). The award should be for service to
> either the ICG or a chapter. I think it's
> psychologically good for the ICG to recognize
> contributions at the chapter level rather than than
> the costuming community as a whole. The reason I
> feel
> it should be kept at the chapter level is because
> we're trying to encourage service to our chapters
> (which indirectly serves the ICG) and recognition of
> that service is very important. It also gives the
> ICG
> a more recognizable presence at the chapter level.
> However, if a person has significantly contributed
> to
> a chapter, yet is not a member of that chapter, it
> should not preclude them from being eligible for
> this
> award.
>
> 2) I think we should ask the chapters every year for
> a
> nomination from each of them (if this means me
> personally calling each and every chapter to get
> such
> information, then so be it). Submitted with this
> nomination should be a 50-word description of why
> the
> chapter believes this person should receive the
> award.
> More than one person from a chapter can be
> nominated
> and anyone can do the nominating.
>
> 3) In light of the apathy present at the BOD level
> of
> the ICG (which, by the way, only rolls down hill), I
> believe that once the nominations are received, the
> recipient should either be chosen by the president
> (on
> the merits of the chapter's description of
> contributions), or by the ICG Officers. This
> elminates the "voting" process since we can't seem
> to
> get anybody to participate, then we just more
> forward
> without you. Under these circumstances, we would
> call
> it the President's/ICG Officers' Award of
> Excellence.
>
> 4) I don't believe there should be any limits or per
> se guidelines as to what the person had to do to be
> nominated. The only parameter would be that they
> should have been contributing or a member for at
> least
> one year.
>
> 5) The award should be given at the end of each year
> and announced with the December or January
> President's
> Message. Then a plaque should be mailed to the
> recipient.
>
> I don't believe that there is a real issue of
> splitting focus here as with the CQ/Annual issue.
> This is a separate award and if ultimately given by
> either the President or the ICG Officers, then we're
> not asking the BOD to act on another issue that they
> won't vote on anyway. Also, the difference here is
> we
> are not asking people to give us cash for product,
> we're not trying to sell something to them, and
> we're
> not producing something with this award that takes a
> lot of energy and focus. I also don't believe we
> would be "killing off one award for the other."
> This
> is simply to give recognition to and encourage
> involvement by our "younger" (i.e., less than ten
> years of service) members. Just because your
> recognized with this award, does not mean your
> ineligible for the LAA, either. In fact, in a way
> it
> could be a stepping stone.
>
> That's my opinion. I hope THIS time to hear from
> more
> of you.
>
> Darla
>
>
> --- Byron Connell <BP.Connell@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
> > At least during my tenure, most nominations for
> the
> > LAA came either from the
> > Pups or the Sluts. One of the things that may
> > inhibit nominations is the
> > idea of "service to the entire costuming
> community."
> > That suggests that an
> > award that welcomes nominations of persons who
> have
> > contributed to their
> > local chapter or local costuming community may
> draw
> > more nominations.
> >
> > On the other hand, Ken Warren argued that there
> was
> > insufficient support for
> > publications to cover both the Quarterly and the
> > Annual. We have suspended
> > the latter with the idea that one of the four
> issues
> > of the Quarterly would
> > be the kind of pictorial that we expected of the
> > Annual. Is there
> > sufficient support for two awards? Will we get
> > nominees for both or will
> > one kill the other off?
> >
> > The more names there on the ballot, the more
> likely
> > it is that voting
> > strength will be diluted. This year, the LAA was
> > decided by one vote! The
> > Board has the same problem that plagues American
> > political elections -- low
> > voter turnout. I have not mentioned this before,
> > but only about one-third
> > of the members bother to vote! We need to improve
> > that record
> > significantly. A new award that attracts several
> > nominations will require
> > that every Board member votes in order to reach
> > valid decisions.
> >
> > BTW, nominations for the LAA are not limited to
> ICG
> > members; there have been
> > a few nominees who have not been members. Ought
> the
> > new award be open to
> > anyone who has made significant contributions, or
> > only to ICG members who
> > have done so?
> >
> > Byron
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message-----
> > From: Darla Kruger <devinedwk2001@yahoo.com>
> > To: ICG BOD <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>;
> > ToLRico@aol.com <ToLRico@aol.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:30 PM
> > Subject: [ICG-BOD] New achievment award
> >
> >
> > >Hi again everyone.
> > >
> > >As you may have read in one of my previous
> > >presidential messages, I want to begin giving a
> new
> > >yearly award to an ICG member that isn't based on
> a
> > >long term committment (i.e. the 10 years needed
> for
> > a
> > >lifetime achievement award). Since we want to
> > >encourage more involvement by our members, I
> > thought
> > >it would be nice to reward someone who's gone
> above
> > >and beyond for us in a short term way. It would
> be
> > >like an ICG special recognition award. The
> reason
> > I'm
> > >coming to all of you regarding this is to open
> > >discussions on this issue. Here are the
> questions:
> > >
> > >(1) What would the parameters of the award be?
> > >Inotherwords, what would the person basically
> have
> > to
> > >do to qualify for the award? Do we want to set a
> > list
> > >of "qualifiers" or should we just wait and see
> what
> > >they've done and decide whether they deserve the
> > award
> > >simply on the individual merits?
> > >
> > >(2) Would this special award only be available to
> > >someone who has done good deeds for the ICG, or
> > would
> > >we expand it to allow the chapters to recommend
> > >someone who had done a lot for just their
> chapter?
> > >(It would be nice for a chapter member to receive
> > >international recognition.)
> > >
> > >(3) Would we say there's a service time limit (in
> > >other words, does it have to be an ICG/chapter
> > member
> > >who has been with us for at least one year)?
> > >
> > >(4) What would the award be? A plaque, a gift
> > >certificate, a pin?
> > >
> > >(5) Who would ultimately choose the recipient?
> > Would
> > >it be up to a vote of the BOD, the ICG officers,
> or
> > >just the president making the final decision from
> a
> > >list of recommended recipients? I personally
> > wouldn't
> > >want to open it up to a vote from the general
> > >membership, too complicated and too long a
> response
> > >time.
> > >
> > >(6) When would the award be given? At the same
> > time
> > >as our lifetime achievement award or at a
> different
> > >time of year?
> > >
> > >Okay, so that's the basic discussion. I'm sure I
> > >haven't thought of every question. Let me know
> > what
> > >you all think.
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > >Darla
> > >
> > >P.S. Laura Rico, your corresponding secretary,
> has
> > not
> > >be put on the ICG-BOD group e-mail. Can you all
> > make
> > >sure in your responses that she is including in
> > your
> > >address line? It's ToLRico@aol.com. Thanks.
> >
> >
>
>
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President:
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In a message dated 8/23/01 5:34:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
devinedwk2001@yahoo.com writes:

> the
> recipient should either be chosen by the president (on
> the merits of the chapter's description of
> contributions), or by the ICG Officers. This
> elminates the "voting" process since we can't seem to
> get anybody to participate, then we just more forward
> without you. Under these circumstances, we would call
> it the President's/ICG Officers' Award of Excellence.

It's a little early to be concerned about light BOD response to the Prez's
proposal. My chapter, at least, has not had its regular monthly meeting since
you brought up the matter. The monthly meeting is where I pass on the ICG-BOD
list communications to our chapter president.

IMHO, coming from a very small chapter (whose group dynamic is therefore more
like a family reunion than a parliament), I've been lukewarm about commenting
much about the new award proposal. In a chapter with only six or seven really
active members, the award could cycle around to everybody in a few years and
wind up looking like those Employee of the Month plaques in fast food
restaurants. It would be an entirely different matter in larger chapters.

Given the above, I agree that the award recipient should be chosen by the ICG
President or BOD in order to avoid the more negative aspects of local
politics. Would this be a one per chapter per year thing? Maybe it would be
better on a two-year interval?

Randall
SWCG BOD Watcher
Whose opinions are his own and do not represent those of any chapter or other
grouping of sentient beings.

Dear Prez.
I am using this open forum to address a problem that is bothering me.
Do we care?
After listening to all the rhetoric about no answer and why they can't
answer, a thought came to me
First we have no guide lines for the return of information, no time set and
no idea as to how long or often a reply is needed .
Second most of you believe that the rules say you must vote your guilds
exact feelings on an issue.
Third we never suggested what is needed to fullfill the job of director.
Fourth most feel they can not reply in any way until they discuss the issue
with their guild chapter.
I was of the opinion that this was a democratic republic not a democracy.
In a democratic republic the people at large choose a representative to act
in their behalf and they do so.
We as the chosen representatives should know most of their feelings and be
ready to answer and if needed vote correctly without polling each member for
each question.
Some need to be discussed but most don't. We should know which is which.
We need to look at the way we (the board) address a problem. Even in this
age of e-mail we can not expect instant answers.
Some people look every three hours, some once a month. Which is right?

Should we set a time element for mail of all types and require a reply when
a message is sent?
Do we need to decide how much time is needed to get the needed information
back to their guilds and to vote on an issue ?
Are we expecting too short a time for these items to be done?
Should we have a set of suggested requirements for the position of director?
Is the problem here that we (the board) do not understand our jobs and what
we are responsible for to our guild chapters, or have we confused the issues
with a different form of goverment?
Thank You
Carl Mami
Vice President