Darla wrote:

> Hello everyone. After having reviewed a few responses
> (including a decipherment of the original message), I
> am taking the position that the ICG should take no
> position on this issue whatsoever.
>
> My reasons for this are as follows:
>
> (1) The ICG has no part in producing the
> events/masquerades for which these videos are made;
>
> (2) The ICG owns no rights to these videos;
>
> (3) The ICG is not intending on broadcasting the
> videos on its website (either now or in the forseeable
> future);
>
> (4) We are not experts and have very little knowledge
> as to the present status of laws which cover
> broadcasting over the internet; and
>
> (5) Since the issue is our position on others
> broadcasting their videos on their websites, we really
> have no right to dictate or tell others what they
> should or shouldn't do with their own property.

By and large, conventions need to obtain *some* form of permission
via ASCAP and BMI licensing for the use of prerecorded music at the
Masquerade and elsewhere. Many conventions undoubtedly don't bother;
this does of course open them up to legal action if they're caught.
The conventions that *do* bother probably obtain the cheapest
possible license which will suit the need, which (IIRC) is a single
use, non-broadcast blanket license.

In any case, as Darla has pointed out, we aren't running those
conventions, and we don't have any control over them. As long as
we carefully avoid formulating a policy on the subject we should
be reasonably safe from collateral damage if some convention gets
it's assets sued.

Ken Warren

Hey guys,

I think Carl's points are well founded in regards to
the concerns and needed parameters for BOD response to
a given topic. I fear I cannot check my e-mail
everyday nor always have time to respond at that given
moment. Maybe we as the ICG-BOD need to create some
parameters for e-mail discussion. Would the job of
framing the basic draft of such parameters fall to the
parliamentarian? It is obvious that we will need to
work together as a group to come to sort of decision
that is workable for most BOD members.

However, in regards to a democratic republic versus a
democracy, I'm afraid I disagree. As the current
president of the founding chapter of the ICG, it is my
understanding from original and early members that the
guild system was setup more as a pure democracy with
board representatives giving advice and guidance to
local guild members, but never making decisions for
them or voting without their consultation. This is why
our guild has monthly meetings where ICG business is
always on the agenda. I have no problem giving my
personal opinion and labeling it as such and usually
this opinion coincides the opinions of most of our
local members. There have been times in the past,
however, when I have totally disagreed with the
majority vote. Had I been president at the time, I
would have bowed to the wishes of the majority and
voted their opinion and not mine (after expressing my
opinion separate from my guild's opinion within the
BOD group). As for smaller matters that may not need a
great deal of debate � if the issue arises near a
meeting, I wait the few days until the meeting to
present the information. If the next meeting is
further away, I send a broadcast e-mail to all members
stating the issue and my opinion on the subject. I
then give them a time frame in which to respond. If I
underestimated the volatility of the issue, I then
wait until the actually meeting where we can actually
debate the issue. Otherwise, I wait the prescribed
time, digest the reponses (usually all positive), and
then vote my opinion with the assumption that it is
the opinion of the majority of guild members.

I am also aware that there are several guilds that
have many more members than the GCFCG does. For them
to have monthly meetings to discuss ICG business may
present real logistical problems. The GCFCG currently
counts among its members a past president of one such
guild, and it is her opinion that the membership of
the larger guilds tend to be less concerned with the
day to day workings of the ICG than does a smaller
guild such as ours where a majority of our members
have the opportunity to meet each month outside of our
"costuming" events to have a business meeting.

So as far as the GCFCG is concerned, I will continue
to consult our members on ICG issues simply because
failure to do so would violate an unwritten procedural
standard that has come to be expected of our local
guild president.

Thanks,
Ann Stephens
President
Greater Columbia Fantasy Costumers Guild

P.S. Just in case anyone is interested what the GCFCG
membership felt about the local achievement awards �
they unanimously thought it was an outstanding idea!
Their one bit of input was that they felt somehow
champaign should be involved in this award (alcoholic
or nonalcoholic, depending on the recipients
preference)

>To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] New achievement award
>Date: Sun, Aug 26, 2001, 12:18 PM
>

>Dear Prez.
>I am using this open forum to address a problem that

is bothering me.

>Do we care?
>After listening to all the rhetoric about no answer

and why they can't

>answer, a thought came to me
>First we have no guide lines for the return of

information, no time set and

>no idea as to how long or often a reply is needed .
>Second most of you believe that the rules say you

must vote your guilds

>exact feelings on an issue.
>Third we never suggested what is needed to fullfill

the job of director.

>Fourth most feel they can not reply in any way until

they discuss the issue

>with their guild chapter.
>I was of the opinion that this was a democratic

republic not a democracy.

>In a democratic republic the people at large choose a

representative to act

>in their behalf and they do so.
>We as the chosen representatives should know most of

their feelings and be

>ready to answer and if needed vote correctly without

polling each member for

>each question.
>Some need to be discussed but most don't. We should

know which is which.

>We need to look at the way we (the board) address a

problem. Even in this

>age of e-mail we can not expect instant answers.
>Some people look every three hours, some once a

month. Which is right?

>
>Should we set a time element for mail of all types

and require a reply when

>a message is sent?
>Do we need to decide how much time is needed to get

the needed information

>back to their guilds and to vote on an issue ?
>Are we expecting too short a time for these items to

be done?

>Should we have a set of suggested requirements for

the position of director?

>Is the problem here that we (the board) do not

understand our jobs and what

>we are responsible for to our guild chapters, or have

we confused the issues

>with a different form of goverment?
>Thank You
>Carl Mami
>Vice President
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--- "C. D. Mami" <cdmami@home.com> wrote:

> Dear Prez.
> I am using this open forum to address a problem that
> is bothering me.
> Do we care?
> After listening to all the rhetoric about no answer
> and why they can't
> answer, a thought came to me
> First we have no guide lines for the return of
> information, no time set and
> no idea as to how long or often a reply is needed .
> Second most of you believe that the rules say you
> must vote your guilds
> exact feelings on an issue.
> Third we never suggested what is needed to fullfill
> the job of director.
> Fourth most feel they can not reply in any way until
> they discuss the issue
> with their guild chapter.
> I was of the opinion that this was a democratic
> republic not a democracy.
> In a democratic republic the people at large choose
> a representative to act
> in their behalf and they do so.
> We as the chosen representatives should know most of
> their feelings and be
> ready to answer and if needed vote correctly without
> polling each member for
> each question.
> Some need to be discussed but most don't. We should
> know which is which.
> We need to look at the way we (the board) address a
> problem. Even in this
> age of e-mail we can not expect instant answers.
> Some people look every three hours, some once a
> month. Which is right?
>
> Should we set a time element for mail of all types
> and require a reply when
> a message is sent?
> Do we need to decide how much time is needed to get
> the needed information
> back to their guilds and to vote on an issue ?
> Are we expecting too short a time for these items to
> be done?
> Should we have a set of suggested requirements for
> the position of director?
> Is the problem here that we (the board) do not
> understand our jobs and what
> we are responsible for to our guild chapters, or
> have we confused the issues
> with a different form of goverment?
> Thank You
> Carl Mami
> Vice President
>
>

=====
Greater Columbia Fantasy Costumers' Guild Inc.
P.O. Box 683
Columbia, MD 21045

President:
Ann Stephens (301)445-1849

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In a message dated 8/27/01 7:47:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
gcfcg@yahoo.com writes:

However, in regards to a democratic republic versus a
democracy, I'm afraid I disagree. As the current
president of the founding chapter of the ICG, it is my
understanding from original and early members that the
guild system was setup more as a pure democracy with
board representatives giving advice and guidance to
local guild members, but never making decisions for
them or voting without their consultation.

I, on the other hand, am not a BOD member at all this year. I've just been
assigned as a committee of one to monitor the BOD list activities and report
to the chapter president (whose e-mail is unreliable) and to the membership.
I was still on the listserve from having been president in 1999.

At our sunday meeting, response to the local achievement award concept was
fairly neutral. Much like my prior comments, the general sentiment is that we
are a rather small chapter for such an award to have much meaning. There were
no specific objections to the idea, however.

Randall
SWCG

At 12:18 PM 8/26/2001 -0400, you wrote:

>Dear Prez.
>I am using this open forum to address a problem that is bothering me.
>Do we care?
>After listening to all the rhetoric about no answer and why they can't
>answer, a thought came to me
>First we have no guide lines for the return of information, no time set and
>no idea as to how long or often a reply is needed .
>Second most of you believe that the rules say you must vote your guilds
>exact feelings on an issue.
>Third we never suggested what is needed to fullfill the job of director.
>Fourth most feel they can not reply in any way until they discuss the issue
>with their guild chapter.
>I was of the opinion that this was a democratic republic not a democracy.
>In a democratic republic the people at large choose a representative to act
>in their behalf and they do so.
>We as the chosen representatives should know most of their feelings and be
>ready to answer and if needed vote correctly without polling each member for
>each question.
>Some need to be discussed but most don't. We should know which is which.
>We need to look at the way we (the board) address a problem. Even in this
>age of e-mail we can not expect instant answers.

I agree with Carl. While it is fine to check your chapter's guidance, it is
not necessary to ask about every item. At this time, Darla is proposing a
possibility. We can all make known our own thoughts on the issue. If we get
to the point of adding this award to our Standing Rules (or any other item
besides the award proposal), plenty of time will have elapsed in which to
consult one's chapters.

This shouldn't be taken to imply that a chapter rep should be ignoring
their chapters. A chapter rep is a lot closer to their constituency than a
typical congressman or alderman. The rep should consult frequently with
their chapter. But they can certainly reply with initial thoughts without
having to turn to a meeting or phone tree.

As to the award proposal, I think it has possibilities. The only difficulty
I see with the concept of asking each chapter for a nomination would be
that we are likely to have each chapter voting for just their nominee,
leaving the actual choice to the officers.

At the moment I don't have an alternative. I'll think on it.

Pierre

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Andromeda

Okay everybody, now that I've gotten your attention,
thanks for all your responses.

Let me start by saying, the discussion about democracy
vs. republic is off the issue. I'm not saying it's
not a valid subject, but I want to keep us focused on
the original subject which is a special award for
recognition of service. We will return to that
subject separately.

There were no votes asked for here and I wasn't even
requesting you to go to your members to get their
opinions. In fact, I wanted this particular
discussion to be kept amongst the board for now. What
I'm looking for is your personal opinions on this
matter. It can later come up for discussion amongst
your individual guilds if action is proposed.
However, for now your feedback is what I need.

I think some good points were made. In order to keep
politics out of it, I think the guilds should submit a
nominee and the ICG officers or just the president
should choose the recipient. Now, my concept of this
is one award (as with the LAA) per year, not one award
to a guild member of each guild per year. That would,
as it were, break the bank.

Once we have finished with this discussion, I will
return to Carl's points. I have many responses for
his comments, but I'll save those.

Thanks again. By the way, since there seems to be a
timeline needed for responses and other such things, I
would like to wrap up this discussion in approximately
one month (i.e. September 30). By mid-October, I will
want to make some decisions about this and then the
guilds' whole membership opinion will be looked for.
At that point, I will want to make an official
announcement in my December presidential message.
This announcement will include the guidelines and
timelines for the award. So far, I see no real
opposition to this idea. (You see, democracies rather
than republics move very, very slowly)

Thanks to all,
Darla

=====
Sincerely,
Darla Kruger
Dean, Costume College 2001
President, Costumer's Guild West
President, International Costumers' Guild

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opinions when they're expressed.

Michael

>
>
>However, in regards to a democratic republic versus a
>democracy, I'm afraid I disagree. As the current
>president of the founding chapter of the ICG, it is my
>understanding from original and early members that the
>guild system was setup more as a pure democracy with
>board representatives giving advice and guidance to
>local guild members, but never making decisions for
>them or voting without their consultation. This is why
>our guild has monthly meetings where ICG business is
>always on the agenda. I have no problem giving my
>personal opinion and labeling it as such and usually
>this opinion coincides the opinions of most of our
>local members. There have been times in the past,
>however, when I have totally disagreed with the
>majority vote. Had I been president at the time, I
>would have bowed to the wishes of the majority and
>voted their opinion and not mine (after expressing my
>opinion separate from my guild's opinion within the
>BOD group). As for smaller matters that may not need a
>great deal of debate ­ if the issue arises near a
>meeting, I wait the few days until the meeting to
>present the information. If the next meeting is
>further away, I send a broadcast e-mail to all members
>stating the issue and my opinion on the subject. I
>then give them a time frame in which to respond. If I
>underestimated the volatility of the issue, I then
>wait until the actually meeting where we can actually
>debate the issue. Otherwise, I wait the prescribed
>time, digest the reponses (usually all positive), and
>then vote my opinion with the assumption that it is
>the opinion of the majority of guild members.
>

Ann,

This may be a matter of perspective. I was chapter rep from the Midwest
Chapter for many years. My members expected me to act as a representative.
While they wanted to be informed, they didn't expect me to wait until a
meeting until I made a motion or vote or tried to defer business until I
could consult with them. As far as they were concerned, I was a
congressman. If they didn't like my choices, they could vote me out.

Pierre


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Andromeda

Having been out of town, I've been putting off responding. I'll read your
proposal today and give my thoughts shortly.

Bruce
http://slcg.topcities.com/index.html

I like the idea of an award per year for someone who goes above and beyond
to help the guild and the ICG. Also keeping it for someone who has been
with a chapter less then 5 years is a good criteria.

My two cents.

Dora Buck



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Hokay:

Now that I've finally gotten a chance to get caught up, here's my response
to Darla's proposal and reactions:

Question 1: Parameters.
A. It would be a lot easier to make a judgment on who is a qualified nominee
if there is a set of guidelines, regarding specific acts they have done.
However, I think there needs to be more flexibility than that.
B. Will/Should the recognition be specifically for service to the ICG only?
Is there any room for consideration of service to the community that doesn't
impinge upon some of the criteria used for the LAA?

Question 2: Who qualifies?
A. If this is going to be a service award, then service to individual Guild
chapters would seem to be a difficult issue. Yet, I could see how a person
serving as an officer or rep of some sort in a long time capacity could
benefit a particular chapter and the ICG in a mutually beneficial fashion-
maybe they have interacted with the ICG as a whole on behalf of that
chapter.
B. Could a nominee be someone outside the ICG (not a member), yet has done
something to directly benefit a chapter or the ICG?
C. Could there be a situation where consideration should be for one
outstanding event - like using one's personal finances to fund some worth
effort?
D. Should the nominee be considered only from the past year? My opinion at
the moment would be "Yes".
E. Something to consider is whether the chapters would only nominate a
"local". Could they nominate someone outside their normal sphere (I would
assume they'd have to have to have a witness or something)? If so, then
time might be set aside so that perhaps the chapters or their
representatives could discuss nominees qualifications so that others could
do throw their support behind one person. (I recognize the possibility for
politics, but I want to throw it out there.)

Question 3: Should there be a service time requirement?
A. I think there should be a certain amount of flexibility here.

Question 4: What would the award be?
A. I favor a plaque or some other thing that can easily displayed -
Certificates just don't seem like enough and could easily be lost. Plus the
winner would have to pay to have it framed. If the suggestion of Champagne
is serious, what if the winner is not of drinking age?

Question 5: Who should decide?
A. Chapters can nominate. The BOD could choose, but would a nominating BOD
member have to abstain on their own entry?
B. A better idea might for the Officers. Since they aren't directly chapter
representatives, they are theoretically "independent" and have more direct
responsibilities of running the ICG. Ergo, they can perhaps make a better
judgment as to what has benefited the ICG.
To sum up, general membership participation in the nomination is
appropriate, but maybe let the officers make the final decision. Much like
the process of the LAA. Would this all be secret as well?

Question for Carl:
Fulfill WHAT job of director? Did I miss something?

Finally a comment: The same amount of time for the LAA seems appropriate to
discuss and nominate within a chapter. I agree not everyone reads his or
her e-mail every day. I know there is this expectation in today's wired
society that response to e-mail should come quickly, but if they really want
a quick response, there's still the telephone.

As for presenting the award, do we want to present it at CC, so that the
recipient can get a round of applause? I don't know how effective this
would be, since the field of nominees could be considerably larger than the
LAA and they may not even be an attendee of the con. So, the question is
how much impact will receiving the award have to that person? Perhaps the
nominating chapter (or the closest one) can arrange some sort of formal
presentation, rather than just mailing it.

Just some thoughts.

(How annoying. That wasn't supposed to happen. Let's try this again.)

Hokay:

Now that I've finally gotten a chance to get caught up, here's my response
to Darla's proposal and reactions:

Question 1: Parameters.
A. It would be a lot easier to make a judgment on who is a qualified nominee
if there is a set of guidelines, regarding specific acts they have done.
However, I think there needs to be more flexibility than that.
B. Will/Should the recognition be specifically for service to the ICG only?
Is there any room for consideration of service to the community that doesn't
impinge upon some of the criteria used for the LAA?

Question 2: Who qualifies?
A. If this is going to be a service award, then service to individual Guild
chapters would seem to be a difficult issue. Yet, I could see how a person
serving as an officer or rep of some sort in a long time capacity could
benefit a particular chapter and the ICG in a mutually beneficial fashion-
maybe they have interacted with the ICG as a whole on behalf of that
chapter.
B. Could a nominee be someone outside the ICG (not a member), yet has done
something to directly benefit a chapter or the ICG?
C. Could there be a situation where consideration should be for one
outstanding event - like using one's personal finances to fund some worth
effort?
D. Should the nominee be considered only from the past year? My opinion at
the moment would be "Yes".
E. Something to consider is whether the chapters would only nominate a
"local". Could they nominate someone outside their normal sphere (I would
assume they'd have to have to have a witness or something)? If so, then
time might be set aside so that perhaps the chapters or their
representatives could discuss nominees qualifications so that others could
do throw their support behind one person. (I recognize the possibility for
politics, but I want to throw it out there.)

Question 3: Should there be a service time requirement?
A. I think there should be a certain amount of flexibility here.

Question 4: What would the award be?
A. I favor a plaque or some other thing that can easily displayed -
Certificates just don't seem like enough and could easily be lost. Plus the
winner would have to pay to have it framed. If the suggestion of Champagne
is serious, what if the winner is not of drinking age?

Question 5: Who should decide?
A. Chapters can nominate. The BOD could choose, but would a nominating BOD
member have to abstain on their own entry?
B. A better idea might for the Officers. Since they aren't directly chapter
representatives, they are theoretically "independent" and have more direct
responsibilities of running the ICG. Ergo, they can perhaps make a better
judgment as to what has benefited the ICG.
To sum up, general membership participation in the nomination is
appropriate, but maybe let the officers make the final decision. Much like
the process of the LAA. Would this all be secret as well?

Question for Carl:
Fulfill WHAT job of director? Did I miss something?

Finally a comment: The same amount of time for the LAA seems appropriate to
discuss and nominate within a chapter. I agree not everyone reads his or
her e-mail every day. I know there is this expectation in today's wired
society that response to e-mail should come quickly, but if they really want
a quick response, there's still the telephone.

As for presenting the award, do we want to present it at CC, so that the
recipient can get a round of applause? I don't know how effective this
would be, since the field of nominees could be considerably larger than the
LAA and they may not even be an attendee of the con. So, the question is
how much impact will receiving the award have to that person? Perhaps the
nominating chapter (or the closest one) can arrange some sort of formal
presentation, rather than just mailing it.

Just some thoughts.

Sorry about that. Don't know why the attachment got sent.

Nora & Bruce:

Some very excellent suggestions and observations.
Thank you for them (they were just as good the third
time as they were the first).

Darla

--- Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@prodigy.net> wrote:

> Sorry about that. Don't know why the attachment got
> sent.
>
>
>

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Having just spent the weekend playing Mr. ICG at a local con, talking
about costuming and the ICG, I have a few points of discussion for
the BOD. I hope this comes out clear; I have had some sleep since
then.

I think the biggest question is: What are the tangible benefits of
joining the ICG. What do people get for their $4?

There's no membership card, no discount at chain fabric stores, no
discount on membership at CostumeCon, the newsletter is an option. I
think that CGW offers a discount to ICG members at it's local special
events. Does one have to be a member of the ICG to be eligible for
the LAA?

What are the intangible benefits of being a member of the ICG?

The email list is open to anyone. CQ subscription is open to
anyone. The ICG annual meeting is open to everyone.

Unless I'm missing something, there seem to be no benefits of any
kind in being an ICG member. In general the only difference in being
or not being an ICG member is saying so. And, oftentimes, when you
say you're a member of the ICG, it's not taken well. But I think
that was addressed by the PR committee 2 years ago.

After talking to members of the former Portland chapter at Westercon,
this seems to have been a factor in their leaving the ICG. Why send
the extra $4 to the ICG, just to be able to put "chapter of the ICG"
after the guild name.

I hope I don't sound disgruntled; I'm not. I don't think my chapter
is, but we've never discussed it, and they had no problem voting in
favor of the increase from $1 to $4. However, when you're actively
trying to recruit new members, they often want answers to these
questions. I think it is something we need to address.

Michael

I'm going to raise my hand and ask to speak; given that I'm an alternate, I generally hesitate to comment on anything in this list, especially since I'm given to strong opinions.

I've thought about the same questions Mike has brought up, and from what I've read here and on ICG-D, as I understand it the lack of "tangible benefits" is deliberate. The focus and strength should be centered on the individual chapters, not on the organization in general. With the chapter you get the card, the newsletter, the bennies, so to speak.

What I see as the ICG's strength is that it is in some ways an extension of the chapters. Members of the SLUTS can learn new skills and get new insights from one another; through the ICG, the knowledge base is that much larger. The ideas and banter I see on the ICG-D list are fascinating to read, with people from all over the world participating in the discussions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that ICG-D was limited to members of the ICG. Our SLCG list is members-only; perhaps that's where I'm confused.

JSM

Dear Mike,

No, you don't sound disgruntled at all. Yes, these
are questions I get asked by non-members and members
alike. There was no issue here in So. Cal. about
raising the membership dues, but that doesn't mean the
questions you asked weren't on their minds.

I recently sent a letter to the CGUK. In it I
addressed this issue (amongst many others). Here is a
summation of my response.

Benefits of the ICG:

One of the greatest benefits to belonging to the ICG
is that the local U.S. chapters receive the important
status of non-profit organization. Beyond that, the
benefit of being a member of the ICG is this, you
belong to a worldwide network community of costumers.
Not only this, but by being belonging to a chapter of
the ICG and therefore the ICG, you and your chapter
are linked to our website. This gives you a worldwide
human library to ask questions of and get help from.
Additionally, if you're traveling, either to
conventions or otherwise, you receive sister-chapter
benefits (i.e., discounts on other chapters� events, a
way of contacting people all over for assistance,
etc.) and you can look up those local chapters to have
immediate contacts with.

Presently, I am working on a few "tangible" benefits.
We have recently had an offer from a publishing
company that is expanding their costume titles (plus
apparently a large selection of other subjects) to
give ICG members a 25% discount on all purchases. I
am working out the details now and will make a formal
announcement once I have all the information.
Additionally, I have a couple of other ideas for
internet-based companies to approach with the same
sort of plan. We want them to be web companies
because this way we can provide this service to ALL
our chapters. I make no promises on this, but it is
one of the things I'd like to get for us.

So, not only are their the benefits of belonging to a
wider community, but I'm hoping to get us some
"goodies" out of belonging to this organization.

My personal philosophy is this. Costuming is a
terribly lonely hobby in many ways. Yes, we run
around exhibiting ourselves for public applause, but
all the prep work is done basically by ourselves.
There's something comforting in the outside
non-costuming world to know there is a group of people
out there that have the same passion and obsession as
do I. It's always good to feel like you belong and I
doubt anyone of us has never been in a situation where
we've felt out of place because of our love of
costuming. How good is it to have someone who can
relate to the trials, tribulations, and excitement of
this hobby of ours. People to share with who REALLY
understand.

Now I'm stepping off my melodramatic soapbox. BTW, I
felt this same way before I became president so please
don't think it's a line.

Darla

P.S. Jeffrey is right about his take on it, too.

--- "Michael J. Bruno" <bruno@armyofdorkness.org>
wrote:

> Having just spent the weekend playing Mr. ICG at a
> local con, talking
> about costuming and the ICG, I have a few points of
> discussion for
> the BOD. I hope this comes out clear; I have had
> some sleep since
> then.
>
> I think the biggest question is: What are the
> tangible benefits of
> joining the ICG. What do people get for their $4?
>
> There's no membership card, no discount at chain
> fabric stores, no
> discount on membership at CostumeCon, the newsletter
> is an option. I
> think that CGW offers a discount to ICG members at
> it's local special
> events. Does one have to be a member of the ICG to
> be eligible for
> the LAA?
>
> What are the intangible benefits of being a member
> of the ICG?
>
> The email list is open to anyone. CQ subscription
> is open to
> anyone. The ICG annual meeting is open to everyone.
>
> Unless I'm missing something, there seem to be no
> benefits of any
> kind in being an ICG member. In general the only
> difference in being
> or not being an ICG member is saying so. And,
> oftentimes, when you
> say you're a member of the ICG, it's not taken well.
> But I think
> that was addressed by the PR committee 2 years ago.
>
> After talking to members of the former Portland
> chapter at Westercon,
> this seems to have been a factor in their leaving
> the ICG. Why send
> the extra $4 to the ICG, just to be able to put
> "chapter of the ICG"
> after the guild name.
>
> I hope I don't sound disgruntled; I'm not. I don't
> think my chapter
> is, but we've never discussed it, and they had no
> problem voting in
> favor of the increase from $1 to $4. However, when
> you're actively
> trying to recruit new members, they often want
> answers to these
> questions. I think it is something we need to
> address.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Quarterly Reports are due in 1 month

Date: Friday, September 7, 2001
Time: 12:00AM PDT (GMT-07:00)

Remember Quarterly reports are due the 6th of every January,
April, July, and October.

The January report is also when
all ICG dues and CQ subscription moneies are also due.

September 10, 2001

Hello everyone. Well, we�ve hit the end of summer and
here in California we�re quietly sliding into fall.
It�s my favorite time of year since I don�t have to
worry about bathing suits anymore and I like the
colors MUCH better.

First, chapter treasurers, please don�t forget to get
your third quarter membership information to Sharon
Trembley. Her address is 398 Prospect St., South
Amboy, NJ 08879. If you have any questions, please
e-mail her at callisto@netlabs.net.

I want to make an official announcement to everyone
about the Costumer�s Quarterly and the ICG Annual.
After doing some analysis on a variety of issues,
we�ve come to the conclusion that having two separate
ICG publications is splitting the focus of both our
members who work on the two publications and those who
subscribe. We didn�t want to lose either publication
so, in an effort to still provide them both to you, we
have decided to join forces. What does this mean? We
are going to make one issue of the CQ every year our
�Annual� issue. Bruce and Nora Mai, who have been the
ones graciously putting together the Annual, have
agreed to continue to be in charge of this Annual
issue. Carl Mami will continue to oversee the CQ�s
regular publication. Everyone felt it was a win/win
situation. Hopefully, this will help since people
won�t have to choose one or the other. We have not
yet decided which issue will be the Annual one, but we
will let you know once we do. We want to provide the
ICG membership with as much information as possible
about what�s going on the world of costuming. The
subscription cost will still be $18 per year for the
CQ, but then you won�t have to spend the extra dollars
to get the Annual edition.

Well, that�s it for this month. I know, I know, what
a shock - it�s a short one.


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It is a disgrace that our web site in no way acknowledges the world
tragedy. If we can't do something, maybe we should take it down!

Byron

John --

I do not believe that you should prohibit cross-posting from ICG-D
to ICG-BOD when the matter is one that the Board of Directors
properly should consider.

I formerly protest such a policy and ask the President to place a
motion before the Board to rescind it.

Byron

>>> icg@costume.org 09/14/01 04:10AM >>>

When someone posts to the ICG-D mailing list, they should have
reasonable expectation that the message will be private to the list. If
the poster decides to cross post the message to other mailing lists or
individuals, that is their decision.

With that in mind I have decided on a new policy that, unless given
permission by the original poster, no one should be cross posting
messages from ICG-D to other mailing lists.

Thanks
JohnO - ICG ListMaster

Attachments :

Feel free to cross post my previous message - I'm not on the ICG-D List.

Dina

At 09:21 AM 9/14/01 -0400, you wrote:

>John --
>
>I do not believe that you should prohibit cross-posting from ICG-D
>to ICG-BOD when the matter is one that the Board of Directors
>properly should consider.
>
>I formerly protest such a policy and ask the President to place a
>motion before the Board to rescind it.
>
>Byron
>
>
>>>> icg@costume.org 09/14/01 04:10AM >>>
>When someone posts to the ICG-D mailing list, they should have
>reasonable expectation that the message will be private to the list. If
>the poster decides to cross post the message to other mailing lists or
>individuals, that is their decision.
>
>With that in mind I have decided on a new policy that, unless given
>permission by the original poster, no one should be cross posting
>messages from ICG-D to other mailing lists.
>
>Thanks
> JohnO - ICG ListMaster
>
>
>
>--
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>Board of Director's Mailing List.
>
>The contents of this message are the responsibility of poster.
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
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>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>

Dina,

I couldn't open the attachment.

Michael


Dina Flockhart writes:

> Feel free to cross post my previous message - I'm not on the ICG-D List.
>
> Dina
>

The page has been updated with:

This page has gone black in honor of those lost in the terrorist attack
of September 11, 2001.

Mourn their passing.
Celebrate their lives.

Let go your anger.
We want justice, not revenge.

John --

Thank you. That's appropriate.

Byron

>>> "ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran" <icg@costume.org> 09/14/01 03:56PM >>>

The page has been updated with:

This page has gone black in honor of those lost in the terrorist attack
of September 11, 2001.

Mourn their passing.
Celebrate their lives.

Let go your anger.
We want justice, not revenge.

I understand Byron's objection, this is fairly major policy change for
the operation of the ICG-D and I should have brought the concept to the
attention of the BOD. My apologies.

I fully agree there should be a clause that allows cross posting between
ICG mailing lists. I would also add a clause for informational posts
(masquerade, conventions, colleges, etc).

Forbidding cross posting by the non originator is a fairly standard
restriction, however I didn't originally implement it because I didn't
want to load down the list a pile of rules and policies. Also for
several years now, the membership has been very good about only cross
posting informational messages.

During the last few days many many messages from ICG-D were cross posted
to SMOFS, Charlotte2004 & Charlotte2004Masq, to name the ones I saw them
on.

On Tuesday and Wednesday the cross posts were serving a very important
service of keeping these various lists updated on who was missing or had
reported in from the NYC & DC areas.

I would like extend my thanks to Alix for doing most of the cross
posting. She provided a needed service to Fandom and the Costuming
community specifically.

However, on Wednesday the messages became more personal, folks were
talking about their feels and reactions, their opinions on how we should
respond. These are not informational, not doing a service, they were
revealing someone's private thoughts to other groups. Groups the
original poster was unaware their message was being reposted to.

JohnO

Another discussion group which I subscribe to includes

'Please remember that most of #### are *not* members of this
group, and are unlikely to hear about things we discuss here.'

with it's subscribe/unsubscribe message.

I think it's worth including it on the ICG-D list - possibly as a start to a
serious reveiw of how the ICG handles some of it's information.

Also note - cross posting from the ICG-D list means that BoD's not on the D
list will have missed the preceding postings and may not know what you're
talking about.

Marion Byott (CGUK Membership Secretary/Treasurer etc etc)

All,

As there is a CGUK 'Costuming Open House' tommorrow, I have proposed that we
have a minute's silence and light a candle in sympathy with all those
affected by Tuesday's events.

I've not posted any comments before because I don't know what to say. I keep
getting this voice saying 'they're never coming home'.

But as has been said many times, life goes on, so we will also have an
appropriate toast for Stephanie and Philip, and wish them well for the future.

Marion Byott (CGUK)

Yes that's the sound of gears grinding.

...about giving up my position as ICG Web & List Master.

I've been doing a crappy job lately.

Byron has been yelling (politely) at me for months.

Darla has been prodding me.

Carl and Pierre brought it up at MilPhil.

The web site and mailing lists are my babies. I conceived of them,
created them and grew them into good sized resources. However, it may
be time to give them up.

The mailing lists are self running. I log into the admin pages 2-3 a
week to approve memberships and unbounce folks. However, I have 1300+
unread ICG-D and 50+ unread ICG-BOD messages. Membership is mostly well
behaved

The web site though, takes time. At it's peak, I was spending 30-40
hours a week maintaining it. Adding and updating content. Cleaning up
dead links. Continuously tinkering with the format, layout and raw HTML
code.

However, with changes in my work and private lives, I find I don't have
that sort of time anymore. I can't even come up with the 5 hours a week
that it takes just to keep up with the routine changes.

Therefore, if someone is willing to step up and take over, I'm willing
to pass the position on.

Please remember this is a financial as well as time expensive position.
Hosting costs $25 a month ($300/yr) on a good ISP and the domain costs
$35 a year, for a total of $325 a year.

Thanks
JohnO

ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran writes:

>
> I would like extend my thanks to Alix for doing most of the cross
> posting. She provided a needed service to Fandom and the Costuming
> community specifically.

Actually, Alix is on all of those lists. I've noticed that she often sends
her msgs to all groups.

Since we're on the subject. Is someone going to actively police the issue
or just casually watch for it? If someone is going to be actively policing
other groups to make sure that mgs from ICG-D are not being sent to other
groups by individuals other than the original poster, IMHO however is doing
it really needs to get a life. I really do not see a way to enforce this
other than the "honor system."

Michael

Byron, I was just getting ready (this very moment) to
e-mail John to ask him to put up a banner.

Darla

--- Byron Connell <bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV> wrote:

> It is a disgrace that our web site in no way
> acknowledges the world
> tragedy. If we can't do something, maybe we should
> take it down!
>
> Byron
>
>

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Marion,
Thank you. It's much appreciated.

With American gratitude,
Darla

--- Lorloth@aol.com wrote:

> All,
>
> As there is a CGUK 'Costuming Open House' tommorrow,
> I have proposed that we
> have a minute's silence and light a candle in
> sympathy with all those
> affected by Tuesday's events.
>
> I've not posted any comments before because I don't
> know what to say. I keep
> getting this voice saying 'they're never coming
> home'.
>
> But as has been said many times, life goes on, so we
> will also have an
> appropriate toast for Stephanie and Philip, and wish
> them well for the future.
>
> Marion Byott (CGUK)
>

=====
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Dean, Costume College 2001
President, Costumer's Guild West
President, International Costumers' Guild

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In a message dated 9/14/01 6:49:09 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV writes:

> It is a disgrace that our web site in no way acknowledges the world
> tragedy. If we can't do something, maybe we should take it down!
>
> Byron

I'll have to disagree with Byron on this. A web site should be efficient
information on its own specific subject. It does not have to reflect the
day's news, no matter how overwhelming that news is.

On the other hand, I wouldn't argue if John O chooses to put up something to
commemorate those who lost their lives or families.

Randall
SWCG BODwatcher

First, let me apologize for my silence over the last
few days. To be honest, until today my mind had not
been with any costuming related subject whatsoever so
I hadn't been checking my e-mails. This was the first
day I was able to think about something other than the
events of this week. I myself have been functioning
on automatic pilot.

Now, let me say this. Emotions are running high for
all of us. This includes me. I understand we're all
feeling vulnerable, sensitive, and angry. So, with
that said ...

John, I understand your feelings. I also understand
what's involved in this website (both labor and
financial). These are things I would like to discuss
with you personally rather than in this very public
venue. Once we have talked (per another e-mail I sent
you), then make a decision based on that.

For now, until John and I have spoken directly, I
would like to ask everyone to take a moritorium on
this subject. Let's concentrate on our own personal
healing for now. The events of this week should make
us all realize what our priorities are. I hope all of
you take good care, hug your loved ones, remember
those who have been taken from us, and prayer for
justice.

The best I can hope for is that none of you were
personally touched by this tragedy.

Heartfelt wishes to all,
Darla



--- ICG WebMaster - John O'Halloran <icg@costume.org>
wrote:

> Yes that's the sound of gears grinding.
>
> ...about giving up my position as ICG Web & List
> Master.
>
> I've been doing a crappy job lately.
>
> Byron has been yelling (politely) at me for months.
>
> Darla has been prodding me.
>
> Carl and Pierre brought it up at MilPhil.
>
> The web site and mailing lists are my babies. I
> conceived of them,
> created them and grew them into good sized
> resources. However, it may
> be time to give them up.
>
> The mailing lists are self running. I log into the
> admin pages 2-3 a
> week to approve memberships and unbounce folks.
> However, I have 1300+
> unread ICG-D and 50+ unread ICG-BOD messages.
> Membership is mostly well
> behaved
>
> The web site though, takes time. At it's peak, I
> was spending 30-40
> hours a week maintaining it. Adding and updating
> content. Cleaning up
> dead links. Continuously tinkering with the format,
> layout and raw HTML
> code.
>
> However, with changes in my work and private lives,
> I find I don't have
> that sort of time anymore. I can't even come up
> with the 5 hours a week
> that it takes just to keep up with the routine
> changes.
>
> Therefore, if someone is willing to step up and take
> over, I'm willing
> to pass the position on.
>
> Please remember this is a financial as well as time
> expensive position.
> Hosting costs $25 a month ($300/yr) on a good ISP
> and the domain costs
> $35 a year, for a total of $325 a year.
>
> Thanks
> JohnO
>

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Um, Darla, am I just missing something or did we not get Part 2 of
your report of the Annual Meeting? Part 1 was your August msg, but I
don't think that your September msg is Part 2.

Michael

--- In ICG-BOD@y..., Darla Kruger <devinedwk2001@y...> wrote:

> The following is my presidential report on the ICG
> annual meeting which took place on May 27, 2001. It
> is the first of two parts. Part two will appear in my
> September presidential message. Breaking the report
> into two parts was done to prevent the inconvenience
> of a very long message which is hard for some of our
> chapters to print in their newsletters. This is a
> general report on what occured at the meeting and not
> the official minutes.
>
> REPORT (PART 1)
>

Mike, you are correct that you have not received part
2. I have not forgotten, it will come next month. At
the time I was getting ready to write part 2, another
important ICG issue hit the fan and I had to deal with
that. Rest assured, it'll be sent.

Darla

--- bruno@armyofdorkness.org wrote:

> Um, Darla, am I just missing something or did we not
> get Part 2 of
> your report of the Annual Meeting? Part 1 was your
> August msg, but I
> don't think that your September msg is Part 2.
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In ICG-BOD@y..., Darla Kruger
> <devinedwk2001@y...> wrote:
>
> > The following is my presidential report on the ICG
> > annual meeting which took place on May 27, 2001.
> It
> > is the first of two parts. Part two will appear
> in my
> > September presidential message. Breaking the
> report
> > into two parts was done to prevent the
> inconvenience
> > of a very long message which is hard for some of
> our
> > chapters to print in their newsletters. This is a
> > general report on what occured at the meeting and
> not
> > the official minutes.
> >
> > REPORT (PART 1)
> >
>
>
>

=====
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Dean, Costume College 2001
President, Costumer's Guild West
President, International Costumers' Guild

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Ok. Just wanted to make sure that I hadn't missed something.

Michael


Darla Kruger writes:

> Mike, you are correct that you have not received part
> 2. I have not forgotten, it will come next month. At
> the time I was getting ready to write part 2, another
> important ICG issue hit the fan and I had to deal with
> that. Rest assured, it'll be sent.
>
> Darla

>
> Please remember this is a financial as well as time expensive position.
> Hosting costs $25 a month ($300/yr) on a good ISP and the domain costs
> $35 a year, for a total of $325 a year.

I'm not sure what's involved here, but prices have come down quite a bit
since the site was established, due to competition. Our site, Casa Mai, is
served by eMegaweb/webhost.fm. We get unlimited space, it only cost us $15
for domain registration for two years, I believe, and it's only $7 a month
(billed quarterly, I believe). Now, granted, maybe a little bit more may be
needed for a non-profit type of site, but I think a bit of investigation is
worth called for here. It probably does cost more if you want to have an
actual e-mail account through our host, but you do get auto-forwarding to a
mailing address with your domain name (i.e. coolcats@casamai.com,
heybozo@casamai.com, etc.)

Food for thought.

Bruce

Bruce and Nora Mai
Different Stuff -- same Nonsense: Casa Mai!
http://casamai.com

Thank you Bruce. I will keep this in mind.

However, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I will
once again ask that this subject be tabled until John
and I have had a chance to speak directly.

Thank you to all.

Darla

--- Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@prodigy.net> wrote:

>
> >
> > Please remember this is a financial as well as
> time expensive position.
> > Hosting costs $25 a month ($300/yr) on a good ISP
> and the domain costs
> > $35 a year, for a total of $325 a year.
>
> I'm not sure what's involved here, but prices have
> come down quite a bit
> since the site was established, due to competition.
> Our site, Casa Mai, is
> served by eMegaweb/webhost.fm. We get unlimited
> space, it only cost us $15
> for domain registration for two years, I believe,
> and it's only $7 a month
> (billed quarterly, I believe). Now, granted, maybe
> a little bit more may be
> needed for a non-profit type of site, but I think a
> bit of investigation is
> worth called for here. It probably does cost more
> if you want to have an
> actual e-mail account through our host, but you do
> get auto-forwarding to a
> mailing address with your domain name (i.e.
> coolcats@casamai.com,
> heybozo@casamai.com, etc.)
>
> Food for thought.
>
> Bruce
>
> Bruce and Nora Mai
> Different Stuff -- same Nonsense: Casa Mai!
> http://casamai.com
>
>
>
>

=====
Sincerely,
Darla Kruger
Dean, Costume College 2001
President, Costumer's Guild West
President, International Costumers' Guild

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Quarterly Reports are due in 2 weeks

Date: Monday, September 24, 2001
Time: 12:00AM PDT (GMT-07:00)

Remember Quarterly reports are due the 6th of every January,
April, July, and October.

The January report is also when all ICG dues and CQ subscription
moneies are due as well.

I hope everyone can read this - sending multiple attachments (or even
attachments) seems to have caused a few problems. Apologies to those of you
who have received this more than once.

CUTTING EDGE
The Newsletter of Costume Guild UK
Number 32 – 18th September 2001

EDITORIAL MESSAGE
Most of you should have received your copies of Mantle issue 13 last month.
If you
didn’t then please contact me (details at end of letter) - it may be because
your
membership has expired - and if I believe this to be the case, there should
be a blue/green renewal form enclosed. My apologies for renewal reminders
not being sent out to everyone in June, but my printer ran out of ink.
There’s not a great deal of news this time, but I wanted to send out the
notice for the CGUK AGM and information about the Open Costume Meeting which
Miki Dennis is hosting in December as soon as possible.
Some of you may have noticed that the print quality in Mantle 13 was not as
good as in issues 11 and 12 - particularly embarrassing for me considering
some of my comments!
Quality service will be resumed for issue 14.

Marion

Membership/Treasurer’s Report

There are a couple of new members - I intend to include a full contact list
with the next issue of the Mantle. The cost projections for the rest of the
year still show a shortfall for Issue 16, but I am looking at ways of
recouping this - as it has arisen from the rollover of the membership years
and CGUK/Mantle merge, and a few financial details which I have not yet
identified (e.g. how much do we really have in dollars....). I may have a
detailed report in time for the AGM.

CGUK AGM - Sat. 1st Dec. 2001

The CGUK AGM will be held on Saturday 1st December in Bletchingley - this
will be
part of the ‘Open Costume Meeting’ which Miki Dennis is hosting - see the
flyer
enclosed! This is open to both CGUK members and non-members alike.

Please contact either myself or Cathy if you want to include anything on the
Agenda,
which may be included with the next publication.
Also, if you are unable to attend, but wish to give someone the right to vote
on your
behalf, or wish to make any comments or suggestions, send them in writing!
Miki would like to hear from you too!

Instead of Cavalcade

On Saturday 15th September, in the absence of Cavalcade, DJ Bass hosted a
Costumers Open House - which was attended by DJ, Paul & Cathy Holroyd,
myself, Teddy, Frances Tucker and Karen, a potential new member. After a
brief, and fairly inconclusive committee meeting, we lit a candle and had a
minute’s silence out of respect for those affected by last Tuesday’s
incidents in the US.

Costumer’s Quarterly

After some correspondence with the ICG President, it has been agreed that
CGUK can be sent an electronic master for CQ, which can then be edited in an
appropriate manner. However, as Carl and Elaine Mami (the people with the
files) live in the New York area, I will leave it for a couple of weeks
before pursuing this. I am hoping that a UK edition of the 1999 ‘bumper’
edition will be available before the end of the year.

Websites and Other CGUK information

A couple of weeks ago I though I’d have a go at building a website, and as
one of the
questions which is generated from the CGUK Website is ‘how do I join?’ I
have started with a printable membership form, and a list of Mantle Back
Issue information for the issues which I have spare copies of. I have asked
Mike Percival to put a link from the main CGUK site to my new site. And as
someone pointed out to me that the website address isn’t listed in either of
our publications, I shall include it as standard information along with the
committee contact details. However, it is not my intention to put anything
on the CGUK WebPages which is not included in either The Mantle or Cutting
Edge - all UK members have paid for and are sent hardcopy of these - whilst
the WebPages are accessible to non-members, and are primarily intended as
information for potential members.

Committee Contact Details and Internet Information

CGUK President - Cathy Holroyd,
‘Ilmarin’, 1 Knole Close, Worth, Crawley, West Sussex, RH10 7GA,
‘phone - 01293 886419,
email - ephiny@netcomuk.co.uk

CGUK Membership Secretary/Treasurer & ‘zine Editor - Marion Byott, 64 Frith
Road,
Croydon, CR0 1TA,
‘phone 020-8680-5634
email Lorloth@aol.com

CGUK Main Website - http://www.ireadh.demon.co.uk/cguk/index.html
Current Membership Joining Form etc -
http://members.aol.com/lorloth/SiteMap.html
ICG Main Website - http://www.costume.org/
ICG Discussion Group page - http://www.egroups.com/group/ICG-D
or subscribe by emailing ICG-D-subscribe@egroups.com (and request digest mode
to get one email of all the comments per day)

That was Cutting Edge, the Newsletter of Costume Guild UK, created, printed,
and mailed to you
by Marion Byott. Please send any comments, criticisms, or material for
future issues to
Marion Byott, 64 Frith Road, Croydon, CR0 1TA, email Lorloth@aol.com, or Tel
020-8680-5634
Copyright © Costume Guild UK 2001

Administrivia: About the ICG mailing lists.

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PLEASE PRINT THE FOLLOWING IN YOU NEWSLETTERS IN WHOLE
(EITHER IN PARTS OR IN TOTAL). THIS IS THE FINAL
PORTION OF THE REPORT ON THE ICG ANNUAL MEETING.
THANK YOU.


First, a few words about recent events. The ICG
Officers and BOD wish to express our sorrow and grief
over the recent tragedy that has befallen the United
States and the world. We can only suggest in this
dark time that you hold your loved ones near, remember
those we�ve lost, and pray for justice. Remember,
you�re not alone in these days of sadness. May you
and yours all be safe and heal as quickly as your
hearts will allow.

On another note, the following is my final report on
the minutes of the 2001 ICG Annual Meeting. This is a
summation of the report produced by the ICG special
committee on membership that was staffed by Ken
Warren, Darla Kruger, Sharon Trembly, and Dina
Flockhart.

The goal of the committee was first to determine what
problems the ICG is facing, and second to try to come
up with solutions to those problems. The committee
used the ICG insolvency as a starting point, but after
some analysis they realized there is only one real
problem that the ICG has to deal with at this time.
That problem is apathy. The committee felt that ICG
members question the relevance of the ICG to their
lives. This is especially true as the ICG is
sometimes perceived as non-communicative and does not
really care about its members. The committee
recognized that there are many people who obviously do
care, however it seems that a general malaise is
affecting all levels of the organization to one degree
or another. Other, more obvious problems all have
their beginnings in this one. Lack of timely
information, unwillingness to forward information or
respond to questions, dues that may not have been
forwarded -- all can be traced back to this apparent
apathy.

The committee did suggest some remedies. They
rejected structural fixes (e-chapters, reorganizing
the ICG as something other than a loose federation of
chapters, and the like). The committee did not
believe that structural remedies would correct the
identified problem. Instead, they chose to examine
ways to reach the ICG members and potential members.
The committee decided it was important to remind its
members that the ICG has value and relevance. There
were six recommendations to this end that the
committee felt should all be implemented. They
strongly felt that these �fixes� would not work
individually, but only successfully handle these
issues as a complete force. The following are the
committee�s recommendations:

1. The ICG President should continue to write a
�President�s message� every month to the chapters.

2. There needs to be a concerted effort to promote
the CQ and to get that up and running since it is the
ICG�s best connection with the chapters. The CQ is
the sole regularly provided way for the ICG to
communicate with its members. It is essential that it
be healthy. The CQ�s health helps to defeat the
appearance of apathy by providing relevant information
in a timely fashion.

3. ICG BOD members should be required to write three
articles per year for the CQ. This will support the
health of the CQ by ensuring a constant flow of
articles. Board members are singled out because they
are officers of the ICG, or chapter presidents, and as
such are already known to the members of the
organization. Also, as officers, they have taken
responsibility for the organization.

4. The ICG Annual should be rolled into one issue of
the CQ for the next two years (i.e., instead of two
ICG publications, they become one). It is also
recommended that the two not be separated until the CQ
is on better footing. This will also support the
health of the CQ. Administration of the ICG Annual
issue of the CQ should be a cooperative effort between
the CQ editor and the Annual editor, until the two are
separated.

5. A �tickler� system should be created/continued to
remind the chapters of deadlines (i.e., membership,
dues, CQ submissions). However, instead of these
reminder duties being performed by the interim �Guido�
appointee, they should be completed by the
corresponding secretary of the ICG. The tickler will
help combat apathy by providing another avenue of
communication, reminding chapters that the ICG is not
an organization separate and distinct from the
chapters; instead, it is the chapters.

6. A committee for member relations should be
established. That committee�s task should serve to
examine how the ICG currently relates to it�s
membership, and how it can improve those relations.

Those were the recommendations of this special
committee. I have already implemented a few of these
suggestions and will be working on the rest. This
won�t be a instantaneous turn around, but we will
eventually reap the benefits of this plan if we stick
to it.

Sincerely,
Darla Kruger
President, ICG


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