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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 702 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 703 From: mr_gengar Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 704 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 705 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 706 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 707 From: Ric Rader/Ann Stephens Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 708 From: Ric Rader/Ann Stephens Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 709 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 710 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 711 From: John O'Halloran Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 712 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 713 From: mr_gengar Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: President's Message for August 2002
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 714 From: John O'Halloran Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 715 From: jester415@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 716 From: John O'Halloran Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: The web site - Budget concerns.
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 717 From: jester415@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 718 From: Darla Kruger Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 719 From: jester415@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 720 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: The web site - Budget concerns.
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 721 From: Darla Kruger Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 722 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 723 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 724 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: The web site - Budget concerns.
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 725 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 726 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 727 From: Dina Flockhart Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 728 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 729 From: Bruno Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 730 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 731 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 732 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 733 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 734 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 735 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Board members message
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 736 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 737 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 738 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 739 From: John O'Halloran Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: The web site - Budget concerns.
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 740 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: please help
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 742 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: The web site - Budget concerns.
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 743 From: S_Trembley Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 744 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Fw: [ICG-D] Annual Meeting and Dues
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 745 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 746 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: The web site - Budget concerns.
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 747 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 748 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 749 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - BOD version
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 750 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Sharon on the BOD List
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 751 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: The Treasurer speaks
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 752 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Files, web page, and suggestion...



Group: ICG-BOD Message: 702 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Ok
while we wait for the rest to check in.
First we need a way to surcure the data we have and a way to safe guard it
so panic is not our daily bread
As I am NOT good at motions as they need to read I will ask for help along
the way
The data base or spread sheet we use to keep track of memberships needs to
be safe guarded (BACKEDUPED) and removed to other places I suggest that this
data be on a cd sent to the Archives every six months.
The archives then send copies to the out sites we use for the photo raw data
backups.
For checks and Balances I suggest that the dues for all members be once a
year on a set date a form for the chapters reporting be included this form
should be the same for all chapters.
That 30 days from the due date notice be posted on the BoD-list as well as
the D-list to which chapters have not submited.
The board member must follow up with a notice of reply (I think you can even
make your e-mail do it as a rule for this) within 3 days
Any checks not having cleared in 45 days must be reported to the treasurer
and the BoD-list
As these items are only needed twice a year (once for paying dues and once
for updates on new members) it should NOT be impossible to do.
Next issue is how does the ICG inform its members and what information is
needed here I need help. I was told once that the CQ was needed for tax
reasons as well as an information tool.
If I am correct on this then a newsletter is not enough and we need to look
further into the CQ issue. Also if that remark is correct we need to make
the CQ or what ever we decide on a part of membership or we could lose our
tax cover.
For this we need accurate information to continue.
Last but never least should membership be required to maintain chapter
status in the ICG. Again I believe that a % of the members if not all must
be ICG members for the chapter to be covered under the tax rules.
Again we are faced with what is needed to cover or tax status. Without this
information we are not going to get some of the important issues decided
I would ask( I know this is a lot) that each board member comment on what I
have laid out ASAP. If you disagree speak up if you agree speak up I would
like your personal input first then I would ask that over the next several
weeks you find the oppinion of your chapter members and report back as to
your findings.
It is our hope (the President and mine) that some of these issues be ready
for vote by or before CC-21.
Our President has asked me to remind you that you are the voice of your
chapter and no reply is not a vote.
BTW if I am not using the propper terms or words for what ever rules cover
this type of stuff please correct me .
C. D. Mami
Vice President
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 703 From: mr_gengar Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
--- In ICG-BOD@y..., Jennifer Adams Kelley <jakelley@j...> wrote:
>
> Chicagoland Costumers' Guild roll call:
>
> Barbara Wright, president-- board rep (bawsews@a...)
> Jennifer Kelley, secretary-- alternate (jakelley@j...)
>
> Barbara is not currently on this list. Could she please be added
and our
> old president (who is no longer on the CCG board) be removed?
Thanks.
>
> --Jennifer

Barbara has been added; I need to know who the old president was so
that I can do the rest. Unless he/she is "costumeboss@yahoo.com", in
which case don't worry because I just deleted that id for repeated
bouncing.

JSM
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 704 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Hey guy
Can you add Betsy Delaney to the BoD-list
C. D. Mami
Vice President
----- Original Message -----
From: mr_gengar <slcgjeff@aol.com>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:44 AM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> --- In ICG-BOD@y..., Jennifer Adams Kelley <jakelley@j...> wrote:
> >
> > Chicagoland Costumers' Guild roll call:
> >
> > Barbara Wright, president-- board rep (bawsews@a...)
> > Jennifer Kelley, secretary-- alternate (jakelley@j...)
> >
> > Barbara is not currently on this list. Could she please be added
> and our
> > old president (who is no longer on the CCG board) be removed?
> Thanks.
> >
> > --Jennifer
>
> Barbara has been added; I need to know who the old president was so
> that I can do the rest. Unless he/she is "costumeboss@yahoo.com", in
> which case don't worry because I just deleted that id for repeated
> bouncing.
>
> JSM
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 705 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Carl has invited my comments as a former Treasurer of the ICG (and, in
fact, the first post-incorporation Treasurer if the ICG, Inc.). If you
need more of a resume from me, please let me know.

My comments regarding Carl's message are below. I've been checking out
the BOD archives, so I have some idea of what's gone before this.

To catch people up: I've been actively discussion the issues of
membership and communication flow on the ICG-D list since the subject
came up (roughly around 7/31/2002) on the list.

I've offered to provide proposed amendments to the Standing Rules to
change the way dues and memberships are being handled. If people wish, I
will crosspost to this list when I prepare my final version.

Unfortunately, my Sick Pups membership has lapsed. I am in the process
of renewing both that and my ICG membership - the check is in the mail
today to Kathy Draves. This puts me in the awkward position of having
something to propose without the membership to back the propopsal.

Note that at present, I have received one individual vote in favor of
Version 1 of my proposal, and one individual vote in favor of Version 2
of my proposal on the ICG-D list. Both of these votes were received
privately, offlist.

A final version will be submitted, either by me or by Carl, at the end
of this week/beginning of next week, when the discussion dies down and I
can filter out the changes that should be made.

Betsy

"C. D. Mami" wrote:
>
> Betsy I am sending this to you as I did not remember if you as pass
> treasurer are on the BOD list.
> What you think is important to me and the guild please read and make remarks
> or comments as needed thank you
> Carl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C. D. Mami <c.mami@verizon.net>
> To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
>
> > Ok
> > while we wait for the rest to check in.
> > First we need a way to surcure the data we have and a way to safe guard it
> > so panic is not our daily bread
> > As I am NOT good at motions as they need to read I will ask for help along
> > the way
> > The data base or spread sheet we use to keep track of memberships needs to
> > be safe guarded (BACKEDUPED) and removed to other places I suggest that
> this
> > data be on a cd sent to the Archives every six months.
> > The archives then send copies to the out sites we use for the photo raw
> data
> > backups.

If Sharon does not already have a backup plan and disaster recovery plan
in place, then this makes sense. Have you discussed her current setup
with her? And, I would shift the dispersal to monthly, since quite a bit
of information could be lost in a 6 month period in the event of a
crash.

> > For checks and Balances I suggest that the dues for all members be once a
> > year on a set date a form for the chapters reporting be included this form
> > should be the same for all chapters.

When comments have finished flying on my proposals, I'm planning on
choosing one version to submit to the BOD for vote. I should be able to
propose as a member, but there is absolutely no reason why I couldn't
write the proposal and have you submit it verbatim.

> > That 30 days from the due date notice be posted on the BoD-list as well as
> > the D-list to which chapters have not submited.

This may be moot if we change the way the dues flow works.

> > The board member must follow up with a notice of reply (I think you can
> even
> > make your e-mail do it as a rule for this) within 3 days
> > Any checks not having cleared in 45 days must be reported to the treasurer
> > and the BoD-list

This makes sense in the event we continue to receive payments from the
chapters and not from individuals.

> > As these items are only needed twice a year (once for paying dues and once
> > for updates on new members) it should NOT be impossible to do.

Agreed, except we still have no recourse if a chapter fails to perform,
except for suspension and removal (and presently, these threats have no
real weight).

> > Next issue is how does the ICG inform its members and what information is
> > needed here I need help. I was told once that the CQ was needed for tax
> > reasons as well as an information tool.
> > If I am correct on this then a newsletter is not enough and we need to
> look
> > further into the CQ issue. Also if that remark is correct we need to make
>
> > the CQ or what ever we decide on a part of membership or we could lose our
> > tax cover.
> > For this we need accurate information to continue.

My comments concerning the CQ and newsletter have been made without
consulting an authority on the subject. I agree that an authority should
be contacted, but I disagree that a newsletter would not cut the
mustard, as long as an Annual is included that contains the information.
As was pointed out to me by Dan (my husband) when we discussed things a
couple of days ago, the SCA gets its primary proof of educational status
from its publication(s). If the Annual contains the articles, and a
single article is included in newsletters that all members receive, then
that should satisfy the requirements.

> > Last but never least should membership be required to maintain chapter
> > status in the ICG. Again I believe that a % of the members if not all
> must
> > be ICG members for the chapter to be covered under the tax rules.

That may be an opinion, but it isn't written anywhere in any of our
legal documents. It's a good idea, but it isn't the law.

> > Again we are faced with what is needed to cover or tax status. Without
> this
> > information we are not going to get some of the important issues decided
> > I would ask( I know this is a lot) that each board member comment on what
> I
> > have laid out ASAP. If you disagree speak up if you agree speak up I
> would
> > like your personal input first then I would ask that over the next several
> > weeks you find the oppinion of your chapter members and report back as to
> > your findings.
> > It is our hope (the President and mine) that some of these issues be ready
> > for vote by or before CC-21.
> > Our President has asked me to remind you that you are the voice of your
> > chapter and no reply is not a vote.
> > BTW if I am not using the propper terms or words for what ever rules cover
> > this type of stuff please correct me .
> > C. D. Mami
> > Vice President

I would suggest that the BOD as a body spend some time reading the legal
and structural documents available on the ICG site. A great deal can be
learned from visiting the By-Laws and Standing Rules (inappropriate
statements notwithstanding).

A reminder that:

"These Standing Rules will govern the actions of the Corporation until
they are modified or superseded by majority vote of the membership
present or represented by proxy at the annual meeting or at a special
meeting or by a three-fifths (60%) vote of the Board
of Directors. Proposed modifications to these rules must be presented in
writing at least 45 days prior to the meeting at which they are to be
considered or may be presented for consideration at a meeting if a
majority of the members present or represented by proxy
agrees to consider them [adopted 2/19/90; amended 5/25/92]"

Which is to say, changes to the Standing Rules are not impossible. And
that it doesn't matter how many members of the ICG belong to a single
chapter, if 60% of the chapters decide to change the rules. By my
calculations, that is equivalent to 9 chapters, assuming that there are,
in fact, 15 active chapters in total. If, in fact, three of the chapters
should be deactivated, that means only 7 chapters need agree to the
changes.

Just some things to chew on...

Betsy

--
Betsy R. Delaney
Web Mistress at large
WebInvent.com, Inc.

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 706 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Newsletter offer...
Some more things I think people on this list should know, that may not
be known:

I have made an offer (on the ICG-D list) to provide the ICG with a
bi-monthly newsletter.
Here is a proposed table of contents:

* President's Message
* List of chapters with contact information and current dues
* Current ICG Membership (for voting and informational purposes)
* Chapters Overdue (which might go away once we decide how to handle
dues)
* Meeting Announcement(s)
* Maybe one article (or not) on something costume related - a feature
* URLs for the ICG site and subscribing to ICG-D
* Treasurer's Report (when available)

and anything else that might fit into 4 printed pages (2 sheets of
paper). This seems like quite enough to me for a start.

When Sharon and I spoke yesterday, she said that we presently have $300
budgeted for publicity that has not yet been spent. She feels that we
could use this money to fund a newsletter to all members of the ICG (not
to chapters only). This newsletter could also contain a summary of the
current discussion underway for changing the structure of the ICG.

At the rate I quoted on the other list, we could produce 375 copies of
the newsletter, at a worst-case cost of $0.80/piece including envelope
and postage. With a little finagling, I could probably bring that price
down a few cents per copy, and squeeze out 400 copies or more, to cover
the SLCG and Pups chapters who are trying to straighten out their
status, so their members won't miss out.

Note also that Alix Jordan has made an offer to take up the Quarterly
and produce copy that can then be printed and distributed. I think we
should wait to take her up on that offer until we decide if Costumer's
Quarterly will be dropped. Those feature articles could still appear in
either a copy of the Newsletter To Be Named Later or an ICG Annual to be
produced for the membership.

What I need most at this point are opinions from the Board, since you
will determine whether my offer will fly or not. I would very much like
to see something published and in the hands of all the ICG members no
later than 9/30/2002.

Please let me know...

Thanks,

Betsy

--
Betsy R. Delaney
Web Mistress at large
WebInvent.com, Inc.

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 707 From: Ric Rader/Ann Stephens Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Hey guys,

From a personal stand point, once a year dues sounds like an outstanding
idea! Dealing with dues within our chapter has always been a bit
troublesome. Essentially, most of our membership write their checks at the
same time each year ­ just before elections or Costume Con ­ though their
due dates are different. This would certainly simplify our bookkeeping and
the ICG's not to mention making it easy for members to know when they need
to write a check. Whether the dues structure for new members will be 1/2
price at the 6 month mark or prorated by individual months, is a question
for a different day.

In regards to recordkeeping, in my real world business the key to life is
redundancy. You can never have enough. We have multiple backups in fire
safes, off property, and with different people. This may be a little extreme
for the ICG, but you get the idea. (Note: we have had to use these backups
on several occasions and a client can almost always get a basic answer to a
question even if the principal contact is not in the office.)

As for tax exempt questions, one of my clients is the Tax Exempt/Government
Entities division of the IRS. They have many helpful phone numbers and
people to answer questions. I don't have these numbers in front of me right
now, but I certainly can convey them at a later date.

Anyway, this is only my personal input and I think the final outcome can
really help the ICG become even more "user friendly". I'm sure there may be
complexities to this issue that elude me. But I always try to follow the
KISS principle in life and business ­ Keep It Simple, Stupid since I'd
rather spend my time sewing than making my brain hurt thinking about things
that I have over designed or needlessly muddied (Note: I am not making an
underhanded reference to the current issue as over designed or needlessly
muddied, just my personal life).

Cheers to all,

Ann Stephens
President
GCFCG
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 708 From: Ric Rader/Ann Stephens Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Hey Betsy,

I think a newsletter would be a great idea. It will give the whole
membership information it needs in a timely manner and allow them to feel in
contact and informed without having to wait for a local meeting as not all
guilds have monthly get-togethers. All other organizations I belong to have
at least quarterly newsletters, and I know they help me tremendously as I am
so seldom able to get to their monthly, bi-annual, or annual meetings. I
still feel informed and a part of the group. I say, if you are willing, have
a go at it.

Cheers,
Ann Stephens
President
GCFCG


on 8/13/02 6:34 PM, Betsy Delaney at betsy@hawkeswood.com wrote:

> Some more things I think people on this list should know, that may not
> be known:
>
> I have made an offer (on the ICG-D list) to provide the ICG with a
> bi-monthly newsletter.
> Here is a proposed table of contents:
>
> * President's Message
> * List of chapters with contact information and current dues
> * Current ICG Membership (for voting and informational purposes)
> * Chapters Overdue (which might go away once we decide how to handle
> dues)
> * Meeting Announcement(s)
> * Maybe one article (or not) on something costume related - a feature
> * URLs for the ICG site and subscribing to ICG-D
> * Treasurer's Report (when available)
>
> and anything else that might fit into 4 printed pages (2 sheets of
> paper). This seems like quite enough to me for a start.
>
> When Sharon and I spoke yesterday, she said that we presently have $300
> budgeted for publicity that has not yet been spent. She feels that we
> could use this money to fund a newsletter to all members of the ICG (not
> to chapters only). This newsletter could also contain a summary of the
> current discussion underway for changing the structure of the ICG.
>
> At the rate I quoted on the other list, we could produce 375 copies of
> the newsletter, at a worst-case cost of $0.80/piece including envelope
> and postage. With a little finagling, I could probably bring that price
> down a few cents per copy, and squeeze out 400 copies or more, to cover
> the SLCG and Pups chapters who are trying to straighten out their
> status, so their members won't miss out.
>
> Note also that Alix Jordan has made an offer to take up the Quarterly
> and produce copy that can then be printed and distributed. I think we
> should wait to take her up on that offer until we decide if Costumer's
> Quarterly will be dropped. Those feature articles could still appear in
> either a copy of the Newsletter To Be Named Later or an ICG Annual to be
> produced for the membership.
>
> What I need most at this point are opinions from the Board, since you
> will determine whether my offer will fly or not. I would very much like
> to see something published and in the hands of all the ICG members no
> later than 9/30/2002.
>
> Please let me know...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Betsy
>
> --
> Betsy R. Delaney
> Web Mistress at large
> WebInvent.com, Inc.
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 709 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Betsy,

Anything that constitutes "Proof of Life" of the ICG for the common member
would be good at this point. To reduce costs, I'd settle for an electronic
version I could print out myself and hand out at local meetings.

Randall
SWCG

In a message dated 8/13/02 3:36:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
betsy@hawkeswood.com writes:

> I have made an offer (on the ICG-D list) to provide the ICG with a
> bi-monthly newsletter.
> Here is a proposed table of contents:
>
> * President's Message
> * List of chapters with contact information and current dues
> * Current ICG Membership (for voting and informational purposes)
> * Chapters Overdue (which might go away once we decide how to handle
> dues)
> * Meeting Announcement(s)
> * Maybe one article (or not) on something costume related - a feature
> * URLs for the ICG site and subscribing to ICG-D
> * Treasurer's Report (when available)
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 710 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Dear Randall:

While I appreciate the sentiment, I think it would be better to provide
at least the first few editions in print, to the individual members. I
really want to be sure all members have access to the same information.
OTOH: If you were willing to commit to send via snail mail the copies
not handed out to members during the meeting, I would not be opposed. I
just want to ensure that the flow happens for everyone.

Thanks!

Betsy

randwhit@aol.com wrote:
>
> Betsy,
>
> Anything that constitutes "Proof of Life" of the ICG for the common member
> would be good at this point. To reduce costs, I'd settle for an electronic
> version I could print out myself and hand out at local meetings.
>
> Randall
> SWCG


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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 711 From: John O'Halloran Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
How about both?

I belong to a couple of clubs that have reduced rates for eMail only
versions of the newsletters.

One of them, the electronic one is better, because it has more in it.

JohnO

Betsy Delaney wrote:
> Dear Randall:
>
> While I appreciate the sentiment, I think it would be better to provide
> at least the first few editions in print, to the individual members. I
> really want to be sure all members have access to the same information.
> OTOH: If you were willing to commit to send via snail mail the copies
> not handed out to members during the meeting, I would not be opposed. I
> just want to ensure that the flow happens for everyone.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Betsy
>
> randwhit@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Betsy,
>>
>>Anything that constitutes "Proof of Life" of the ICG for the common member
>>would be good at this point. To reduce costs, I'd settle for an electronic
>>version I could print out myself and hand out at local meetings.
>>
>>Randall
>>SWCG
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 712 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
I have been trying to come up with a way to say this...

If part of the problem is that we're losing members because they are not
receiving the publications from us (in whatever form they are supposed
to receive them), they're already leery of sending us dues. If we make
the publication(s) electronic, there is nothing to stop one member from
paying dues and thus providing access to the whole chapter for the copy.
Assuming that individual does, in fact, provide copies.

In other words, it perpetuates the existing problem.

All members should get the newsletter as a newsletter. If, after
publication is established, we want to provide the option to shift to
electronic versions, we can do that, but when I say "in your face" I
mean "in your mailbox."

I'm far more likely to carry a newsletter into the kitchen to read over
breakfast than I am to print it out and read it from a computer version.
I have to assume a large percentage of people feel this way until I hear
otherwise.

We can propose that option in the first edition.

We could also provide a members-only area of the site, on which the
newsletters are published. I would not mind that, assuming a couple of
things: 1. that the site can handle password protected directories. 2.
That we remember to change the password early and often, or annually
when dues are in need of renewal (which might force people to renew,
just to continue to have access to the Members Only section of the
site).

Besides - we're talking about $0.80/member. It just isn't that much
money. This gets away from the original statement. I want to get one
edition out, and then we can discuss modifications. Does that sound
reasonable?

Betsy

John O'Halloran wrote:
>
> How about both?
>
> I belong to a couple of clubs that have reduced rates for eMail only
> versions of the newsletters.
>
> One of them, the electronic one is better, because it has more in it.
>
> JohnO
>
> Betsy Delaney wrote:
> > Dear Randall:
> >
> > While I appreciate the sentiment, I think it would be better to provide
> > at least the first few editions in print, to the individual members. I
> > really want to be sure all members have access to the same information.
> > OTOH: If you were willing to commit to send via snail mail the copies
> > not handed out to members during the meeting, I would not be opposed. I
> > just want to ensure that the flow happens for everyone.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Betsy
> >
> > randwhit@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>Betsy,
> >>
> >>Anything that constitutes "Proof of Life" of the ICG for the common member
> >>would be good at this point. To reduce costs, I'd settle for an electronic
> >>version I could print out myself and hand out at local meetings.
> >>
> >>Randall
> >>SWCG

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 713 From: mr_gengar Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: President's Message for August 2002
ICG President's Message

We're having a heat wave, and let me tell you, it's not a tropical
heat wave. It's our first true heat wave of the California summer
and it makes me glad I have air conditioning. Today was our first
real scorcher and I stayed indoors as much as possible. Wouldn't
want to damage my delicate skin, you know.

I'm very pleased to state that Carl Mami has delivered to me (as CGW
President) the first installment of the West coast copy of the
archives. Right now they're sitting in my bedroom taking up room (I
don't have), but soon they'll be in a fireproof box in the CGW
storage unit. At the same time I believe, Carl delivered another of
the same to Pierre Pettinger for a Midwest copy of the archives.

That leads me to my next point. For the first time in its nine-year
history, an "official representative" of the ICG made an appearance
at Costume College. Carl (as ICG vice president) came out to
College to see exactly what it is. I think he came away amazed and
stunned (in a very good way). He kept saying not only was it
nothing like he thought it would be, but that there is nothing like
it any where he can think of. Now, I'm not going to attempt to
describe it for you (since I've done that before), but I will be
asking Carl to write a short article that will be attached to my
September president's message so you all can see for yourselves (or
at least through Carl's words). I think Costume College is
something every costumer should experience and certainly everyone in
the ICG. It's a unique learning opportunity that should not be
overlooked. So read my message next month and you can get an idea
from Carl exactly what you can partake in next year.

On another note, I must apologize for my slight neglect of my
presidential post for the last few months. I have not been as
active as I would have liked since I was in the process of acquiring
a new job. I have literally been in the middle of negotiations and
tribulations in attempting to move up on the ladder. I can now
proudly say I have officially entered middle management. So, what
am I talking about? I am now an office manager in a law firm (yes,
I can hear your condolences all the way here in California). Oh
well, believe me, it's better than being a secretary (sort of).
Anyway, it means a lot more responsibility, a lot more headaches,
and a relative increase in money. It's what I wanted (of course,
there's the old saying "careful what you ask for, you just might get
it"). So now that the ups and downs of job negotiations are over, I
can shift my attention back to the ICG (it didn't help that at the
same time I was working on Costume College). For those of you on
the Board, you can now expect a flurry of work from me (and that
means work for you too). Here's looking to chatting with y'all (my
new firm's headquarters are based in Atlanta, GA – so I'm just
getting into the spirit).


Darla Kruger
ICG President
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 714 From: John O'Halloran Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Betsy Delaney wrote:
> If we make
> the publication(s) electronic, there is nothing to stop one member from
> paying dues and thus providing access to the whole chapter for the copy.
> Assuming that individual does, in fact, provide copies.
>
> In other words, it perpetuates the existing problem.

Point taken. Some members have used the term "ripped off" for past CQ
publication misses. They may feel it's ok to "share" their electronic
edition as compensation.

> We could also provide a members-only area of the site, on which the
> newsletters are published. I would not mind that, assuming a couple of
> things: 1. that the site can handle password protected directories. 2.

<geek talk mode on>
BSD w/ Apache 1.3X.XX, we can set .htaccess and directory passwords
using standard methods. No fancy java/javascripting needed.
</geek>

> That we remember to change the password early and often, or annually
> when dues are in need of renewal (which might force people to renew,
> just to continue to have access to the Members Only section of the
> site).

One of the clubs includes this month's username/password as part of the
"standard" info contained in each issue and the email announcement that
it is online.

JohnO
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 715 From: jester415@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
I think that Betsy's idea is fantastic! The need for SOMETHING to get into
the hands of the members is enormous. And in keeping with prior themes: I
second this motion!

Betsy: Be careful what you wish for; you might just get it! ;-)

Robert "Tony" Lunn
President, GBACG
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 716 From: John O'Halloran Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: The web site - Budget concerns.
Finally remembered to bug Verio (the ICG's ISP) accounting enough times
to get an answer.

Due to a series of mergers, buyouts and special deals the original
company cut us, I cannot seperate out the ICG account from my personal
account. To do so, would require changing them both to standard
accounts. I cannot even delete ICG, without TYEDYE converting to a
standard account.

What this means, is the $50 a month I currently pay for both, would turn
into $50 a month EACH if I seperated the accounts at Verio.

If Jeff and BOD decide to move the site elsewhere, I get to keep the
icg@verio.net account and come up with a new domain name for it.

Or the ICG can start paying me the $25 a month that it costs me to
maintain the account.*

Also of note for budget planning. The domain costume.org is up for
renewal in December of this year (2002).

The ICG can pay me directly the $70 to renew the domain or I can
transfer the ownership to someone else. But make *sure* that bill is
payed ONTIME, there are cybersquaters who jump on a expired domain in a
instant and put up a porn site.

JohnO


*for that you get 200MB of storage, 5GB of monthly transfer, 25 pop mail
accounts, unlimited forwarding accounts, and other services.

Can you say Archives Online? Can you say "you@costume.org"?
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 717 From: jester415@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
I am in agreement with Ann; there can not be too much back-up. Ensuring that
the information (databases, spreadsheets, etc.) is available to the ICG in
the event of emergency is just good mitigation tactics. A quarterly back-up,
on to CD-Rs, with copies to the President, Vice-President and one other
designate should be sufficient. Perhaps there is a secure online solution,
as well? Out of my league...

Robert "Tony" Lunn
President, GBACG
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 718 From: Darla Kruger Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
I have been reached via phone by Carl and have been
communicating directly with him for a while (there was
never a break in my communications with him). I,
therefore, have never been completely out of touch.
Many of you have also had a personal e-mail address
(both home and my old office). I have had problems
with Yahoo (this is why Jeff has been posting my
presidential messages). I am now back on line, though
within the next day or so I will be giving you all a
new aol address. My phone number is also the same
(per Byron's e-mail).

I apologize for my disappearance, but for the last
three months I have been concentrating on a job change
which was also a big career move. That has had to be
where my focus was and the most energy I could devote
to my hobbiest groups was at least a monthly message.
Now that I am installed in the new job (this is the
middle of my third week), I can now come back on line.

With regard to Sharon, I have had communications with
her over the last week or so. I will be telephoning
her to get some information and set some things
aright. She is completely unable to access yahoo and
has no computer access at home. Therefore, I will
have to be the go-between for information until I can
find out how she wants us to contact her generally. I
have her office e-mail, but needless to say, I won't
publish that. I'll keep you all informed.

Darla

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 719 From: jester415@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
This is a great point! Our members have definately become "leery" of the ICG
dues payment, and have voiced their anguish at not receiving the CQ on time
or at all!

As Betsy says, let's start out with the hard copies and see what happens.
Speed is of the essence, but not at the expense of what we are trying to do,
which is remain credible with the members.

Robert "Tony" Lunn
President, GBACG
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 720 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: The web site - Budget concerns.
John
not being as computer (read web) smart as I would like please tell me more
My problem is I have ideas but no time to do them or even to learn how.
The thought of a web site for the archives is one I like except for (se
above)
Can you break down for me in dummy terms what is needed in knowledge and
money
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: John O'Halloran <eoin@tyedye.org>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:44 PM
Subject: [ICG-BOD] The web site - Budget concerns.


> Finally remembered to bug Verio (the ICG's ISP) accounting enough times
> to get an answer.
>
> Due to a series of mergers, buyouts and special deals the original
> company cut us, I cannot seperate out the ICG account from my personal
> account. To do so, would require changing them both to standard
> accounts. I cannot even delete ICG, without TYEDYE converting to a
> standard account.
>
> What this means, is the $50 a month I currently pay for both, would turn
> into $50 a month EACH if I seperated the accounts at Verio.
>
> If Jeff and BOD decide to move the site elsewhere, I get to keep the
> icg@verio.net account and come up with a new domain name for it.
>
> Or the ICG can start paying me the $25 a month that it costs me to
> maintain the account.*
>
> Also of note for budget planning. The domain costume.org is up for
> renewal in December of this year (2002).
>
> The ICG can pay me directly the $70 to renew the domain or I can
> transfer the ownership to someone else. But make *sure* that bill is
> payed ONTIME, there are cybersquaters who jump on a expired domain in a
> instant and put up a porn site.
>
> JohnO
>
>
> *for that you get 200MB of storage, 5GB of monthly transfer, 25 pop mail
> accounts, unlimited forwarding accounts, and other services.
>
> Can you say Archives Online? Can you say "you@costume.org"?
>
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 721 From: Darla Kruger Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Everyone:

Let me say this, at this phase I want no one to
consider which chapters are current as official. I
need to speak with Sharon and clear a few things up.
I have questions for her and want to find out what's
going on on her end. I do not consider any
information we have at present on which chapters are
current as official nor recognized. So please stay
calm and understand I know there's a problem at the
ICG end. I will find out what's going on and let you
all know.

Darla

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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 722 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
How about we send it out, then a month or so later put it out on the site for
archive purposes?

JSM
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 723 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
Now *that* is a suggestion I can get behind!

And an excellent way to start the Archives. Getting more material up
there as time goes by will help.

I can even provide you with a text-only version that should be easy to
convert to HTML.

Betsy

slcgjeff@aol.com wrote:
>
> How about we send it out, then a month or so later put it out on the site for
> archive purposes?
>
> JSM


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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 724 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: The web site - Budget concerns.
In a message dated 8/13/2002 8:46:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
eoin@tyedye.org writes:


> What this means, is the $50 a month I currently pay for both, would turn
> into $50 a month EACH if I seperated the accounts at Verio.
>
> If Jeff and BOD decide to move the site elsewhere, I get to keep the
> icg@verio.net account and come up with a new domain name for it.
>
> Or the ICG can start paying me the $25 a month that it costs me to
> maintain the account.*
>
> Also of note for budget planning. The domain costume.org is up for
> renewal in December of this year (2002).
>
> The ICG can pay me directly the $70 to renew the domain or I can
> transfer the ownership to someone else. But make *sure* that bill is
> payed ONTIME, there are cybersquaters who jump on a expired domain in a
> instant and put up a porn site.
>
>

"Oh...fudge..."

I haven't had any plans to move the site. I'd say that we pay John off and
pay the domain fee as well.

JSM


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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 725 From: Betsy Delaney Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Thanks, Darla!

Regardless of how this shakes out, my newsletter offer stands.

Betsy

Darla Kruger wrote:
>
> Everyone:
>
> Let me say this, at this phase I want no one to
> consider which chapters are current as official. I
> need to speak with Sharon and clear a few things up.
> I have questions for her and want to find out what's
> going on on her end. I do not consider any
> information we have at present on which chapters are
> current as official nor recognized. So please stay
> calm and understand I know there's a problem at the
> ICG end. I will find out what's going on and let you
> all know.
>
> Darla
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 726 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
OK. I've been trying to figure out who's who on the list and who's jumped in
for this discussion.

SO FAR AS I CAN TELL....the following chapters have not acknowledged they're
listening:

Utah
Northern Lights
Western Canadian
CGW
Sacramento

I've got two mail addresses that I have absolutely no idea who they are or
what group they represent (assistance is welcome):

ecapes@nucleus.com
kmcclur@qwest.com

I've got Chris Ballis down as the Aussie rep along with Dave Scanlon, but I
don't think that's correct.

Now then, Jeff is going to rant a bit:

1) IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE YOUR CHAPER IS REPRESENTED ON THE
BOD LIST. IF YOUR CHAPTER CONTACT E-MAIL ADDRESS CHANGES, IT IS YOUR
RESPONSIBILITY TO LET US KNOW.

I bring this up because of the lagged Australian contact information, the
fact that so far as I can tell Utah has no representation on this list
whatsoever, and the fact that Randall, in acknowledging the SWCG's presence,
used two email addresses that are not on this list.

When you tell us something needs to be changed, we do it quickly. But we have
to be told.

2) On a slightly calmer tone--there are several chapter web sites that have
no officer names listed whatsoever. Besides the fact it makes my life a
little more difficult when running down the email list, it's been my
experience that people want names to associate with a group they're
interested in joining. Please consider adding a few names to go with those
email contacts, okay?

Now, to make your day, the following list comprises the BOD membership:

Bawsews@aol.com
bconnel1@nycap.rr.com
bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV
betsy@hawkeswood.com
bruno@armyofdorkness.org
c.mami@verizon.net
casamai@sbcglobal.net
cloak@ziplink.net
costumrs@radiks.net
devinedwk2001@yahoo.com
dfbuck@hotmail.com
ecapes@nucleus.com
eoin@tyedye.org
gcfcg@yahoo.com
icg@costume.org
jakelley@jennifarse.com
jester415@aol.com
joy@glassnebula.com
kimlmartin@mindspring.com
kmcclur@qwest.com
Lord_Necro@bigpond.com
medic117@comcast.net
msjess@earthlink.com
randwhit@aol.com
ricrader@mindspring.com
slcgjeff@aol.com
stilskin@netspace.net.au
stremble@lucent.com
vicki@kolvir.com


JSM
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 727 From: Dina Flockhart Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Dina Flockhart, Northern Lights here. I am cloak@ziplink.net and I am
listening.

Some bits of trivia that come to mind as reply to Carl and others:

Northern Lights, as a chapter of a non-profit organization, got a free bank
account by asking for it at Digital Credit Union (DCU.org) We don't even
have to order checks - since we write so few, we just get bank checks for
what we need. We moved some of the money to a companion saving account,
also free and they are giving us a bit of interest.

On the quarterly reporting - we elected a treasurer who does not have or
care to learn MS Excel - the form Sharon uses. She converted the
spreadsheet to Word and we are having trouble re-creating data. Sharon,
can you send me a copy of what she sent you in April?

Many of our members sent checks directly to Carl for CQ suscriptions - that
is what they understood he wanted after reading the meeting minutes after
CC18. These have not been cashed. I have not checked our bank account for
our April check. Life has been a bit full for me and the loose ends have
been getting away from me.

Frankly, an ICG presidents message about the dresses she made for an event
is of little interest to my members. They want to hear about new historic
research, who won the Masquerade at CostumeCon, membership cards that might
carry group discounts, and such like that.

Yours in stitches,

Dina Flockhart
Nothern Lights Chapter President

At 10:47 PM 8/13/2002 EDT, you wrote:
>OK. I've been trying to figure out who's who on the list and who's jumped in
>for this discussion.
>
>SO FAR AS I CAN TELL....the following chapters have not acknowledged they're
>listening:
>
>Utah
>Northern Lights
>Western Canadian
>CGW
>Sacramento
>
>I've got two mail addresses that I have absolutely no idea who they are or
>what group they represent (assistance is welcome):
>
>ecapes@nucleus.com
>kmcclur@qwest.com
>
>I've got Chris Ballis down as the Aussie rep along with Dave Scanlon, but I
>don't think that's correct.
>
>Now then, Jeff is going to rant a bit:
>
>1) IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE YOUR CHAPER IS REPRESENTED ON
THE
>BOD LIST. IF YOUR CHAPTER CONTACT E-MAIL ADDRESS CHANGES, IT IS YOUR
>RESPONSIBILITY TO LET US KNOW.
>
>I bring this up because of the lagged Australian contact information, the
>fact that so far as I can tell Utah has no representation on this list
>whatsoever, and the fact that Randall, in acknowledging the SWCG's presence,
>used two email addresses that are not on this list.
>
>When you tell us something needs to be changed, we do it quickly. But we
have
>to be told.
>
>2) On a slightly calmer tone--there are several chapter web sites that have
>no officer names listed whatsoever. Besides the fact it makes my life a
>little more difficult when running down the email list, it's been my
>experience that people want names to associate with a group they're
>interested in joining. Please consider adding a few names to go with those
>email contacts, okay?
>
>Now, to make your day, the following list comprises the BOD membership:
>
>Bawsews@aol.com
>bconnel1@nycap.rr.com
>bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV
>betsy@hawkeswood.com
>bruno@armyofdorkness.org
>c.mami@verizon.net
>casamai@sbcglobal.net
>cloak@ziplink.net
>costumrs@radiks.net
>devinedwk2001@yahoo.com
>dfbuck@hotmail.com
>ecapes@nucleus.com
>eoin@tyedye.org
>gcfcg@yahoo.com
>icg@costume.org
>jakelley@jennifarse.com
>jester415@aol.com
>joy@glassnebula.com
>kimlmartin@mindspring.com
>kmcclur@qwest.com
>Lord_Necro@bigpond.com
>medic117@comcast.net
>msjess@earthlink.com
>randwhit@aol.com
>ricrader@mindspring.com
>slcgjeff@aol.com
>stilskin@netspace.net.au
>stremble@lucent.com
>vicki@kolvir.com
>
>
>JSM
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 728 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Hey Guy
one addy belongs to Canada (ecapes)
----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> OK. I've been trying to figure out who's who on the list and who's jumped
in
> for this discussion.
>
> SO FAR AS I CAN TELL....the following chapters have not acknowledged
they're
> listening:
>
> Utah
> Northern Lights
> Western Canadian
> CGW
> Sacramento
>
> I've got two mail addresses that I have absolutely no idea who they are or
> what group they represent (assistance is welcome):
>
> ecapes@nucleus.com
> kmcclur@qwest.com
>
> I've got Chris Ballis down as the Aussie rep along with Dave Scanlon, but
I
> don't think that's correct.
>
> Now then, Jeff is going to rant a bit:
>
> 1) IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE YOUR CHAPER IS REPRESENTED ON
THE
> BOD LIST. IF YOUR CHAPTER CONTACT E-MAIL ADDRESS CHANGES, IT IS YOUR
> RESPONSIBILITY TO LET US KNOW.
>
> I bring this up because of the lagged Australian contact information, the
> fact that so far as I can tell Utah has no representation on this list
> whatsoever, and the fact that Randall, in acknowledging the SWCG's
presence,
> used two email addresses that are not on this list.
>
> When you tell us something needs to be changed, we do it quickly. But we
have
> to be told.
>
> 2) On a slightly calmer tone--there are several chapter web sites that
have
> no officer names listed whatsoever. Besides the fact it makes my life a
> little more difficult when running down the email list, it's been my
> experience that people want names to associate with a group they're
> interested in joining. Please consider adding a few names to go with
those
> email contacts, okay?
>
> Now, to make your day, the following list comprises the BOD membership:
>
> Bawsews@aol.com
> bconnel1@nycap.rr.com
> bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV
> betsy@hawkeswood.com
> bruno@armyofdorkness.org
> c.mami@verizon.net
> casamai@sbcglobal.net
> cloak@ziplink.net
> costumrs@radiks.net
> devinedwk2001@yahoo.com
> dfbuck@hotmail.com
> ecapes@nucleus.com
> eoin@tyedye.org
> gcfcg@yahoo.com
> icg@costume.org
> jakelley@jennifarse.com
> jester415@aol.com
> joy@glassnebula.com
> kimlmartin@mindspring.com
> kmcclur@qwest.com
> Lord_Necro@bigpond.com
> medic117@comcast.net
> msjess@earthlink.com
> randwhit@aol.com
> ricrader@mindspring.com
> slcgjeff@aol.com
> stilskin@netspace.net.au
> stremble@lucent.com
> vicki@kolvir.com
>
>
> JSM
>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 729 From: Bruno Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
kmcclur@qwest.com belongs to Kate McClure of Seattle. Don't know if it's
current or not.

vicki@kolvir.*** is Vicki Glover also of Seattle.

Did not recognize any addresses as Utah, however, Charles Galway of UT is on
the D-list.

Bruno

----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
>
> Utah
> Northern Lights
> Western Canadian
> CGW
> Sacramento
>
> I've got two mail addresses that I have absolutely no idea who they are or
> what group they represent (assistance is welcome):
>
> ecapes@nucleus.com
> kmcclur@qwest.com
>
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 730 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
> kmcclur@qwest.com

Kate McClure - formerly Beyond Reality, don't know what they are now or if
she's still with them.

Nora

"I like big bots and I cannot lie." - Bill Dwyer
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 731 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
> kmcclur@qwest.com

Kate McClure - formerly Beyond Reality, don't know what they are now or if
she's still with them.

Nora

"I like big bots and I cannot lie." - Bill Dwyer
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 732 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
> kmcclur@qwest.com

Kate McClure - formerly Beyond Reality, don't know what they are now or if
she's still with them.

Nora

"I like big bots and I cannot lie." - Bill Dwyer
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 733 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
> kmcclur@qwest.com

Kate McClure - formerly Beyond Reality, don't know what they are now or if
she's still with them.

Nora

"I like big bots and I cannot lie." - Bill Dwyer
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 734 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
> kmcclur@qwest.com

Kate McClure - formerly Beyond Reality, don't know what they are now or if
she's still with them.

Nora

"I like big bots and I cannot lie." - Bill Dwyer
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 735 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/13/2002
Subject: Board members message
Sorry about the repeats. Our mail program seems a bit squirrely tonight.
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 736 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
In a message dated 8/13/2002 7:49:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
slcgjeff@aol.com writes:


> Randall, in acknowledging the SWCG's presence,
> used two email addresses that are not on this list.

These were just aliases for mine and Kim's regular addresses. Nothing needs
to be changed at this point.

After our December elections it will be a different story, but a story I'll
make sure you hear.

Randall
SWCG


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 737 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
In a message dated 8/13/2002 8:22:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
bruno@armyofdorkness.org writes:


> kmcclur@qwest.com belongs to Kate McClure of Seattle. Don't know if it's
> current or not.
>

Wasn't there some kind of shakeup a couple of months ago, with qwest.com
subscribers winding up converted over to msn.com ?

Seems like it impacted a couple of our local members.

Randall


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 738 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - the BOD version
----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
> kmcclur@qwest.com

Kate McClure - formerly Beyond Reality, don't know what they are now or if
she's still with them.

Nora

"I like big bots and I cannot lie." - Bill Dwyer
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 739 From: John O'Halloran Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: The web site - Budget concerns.
Depending on time, money or energy...

Everything from "ShovelWare" take some random chunk of data from the
CDs/DVDs you've produced and just shovel it up there and let users root
around and find what they need.

To a Fully Interactive site that lets folks search the archives and
instantly retrieve the info we have put online or send a request to the
archivist (or minion) to place it online for later retreival.

JohnO

C. D. Mami wrote:
> John
> not being as computer (read web) smart as I would like please tell me more
> My problem is I have ideas but no time to do them or even to learn how.
> The thought of a web site for the archives is one I like except for (se
> above)
> Can you break down for me in dummy terms what is needed in knowledge and
> money
> Carl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John O'Halloran <eoin@tyedye.org>
> To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:44 PM
> Subject: [ICG-BOD] The web site - Budget concerns.
>
>
>
>>Finally remembered to bug Verio (the ICG's ISP) accounting enough times
>>to get an answer.
>>
>>Due to a series of mergers, buyouts and special deals the original
>>company cut us, I cannot seperate out the ICG account from my personal
>>account. To do so, would require changing them both to standard
>>accounts. I cannot even delete ICG, without TYEDYE converting to a
>>standard account.
>>
>>What this means, is the $50 a month I currently pay for both, would turn
>>into $50 a month EACH if I seperated the accounts at Verio.
>>
>>If Jeff and BOD decide to move the site elsewhere, I get to keep the
>>icg@verio.net account and come up with a new domain name for it.
>>
>>Or the ICG can start paying me the $25 a month that it costs me to
>>maintain the account.*
>>
>>Also of note for budget planning. The domain costume.org is up for
>>renewal in December of this year (2002).
>>
>>The ICG can pay me directly the $70 to renew the domain or I can
>>transfer the ownership to someone else. But make *sure* that bill is
>>payed ONTIME, there are cybersquaters who jump on a expired domain in a
>>instant and put up a porn site.
>>
>> JohnO
>>
>>
>>*for that you get 200MB of storage, 5GB of monthly transfer, 25 pop mail
>>accounts, unlimited forwarding accounts, and other services.
>>
>>Can you say Archives Online? Can you say "you@costume.org"?
>>
>>
>>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 740 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: please help
We need to get you switched over to the verizon address. I'll try and get that done today.

JSM
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 742 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: The web site - Budget concerns.
John
The retrieval part worries me, most of this stuff we do not own the
copyright to.
Can a site be made members only a tool for the ICG.
The branch idea will work only to a point it still limits access I wanted a
web site so all members could see and use the stuff we have.
With links to other sites and to the guild web page.
Or the other way around link the archives to the guild site as a members
only section like a school library.
Not sure if what I want can be done or if it is just wishful thinking.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: John O'Halloran <eoin@tyedye.org>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] The web site - Budget concerns.


> Depending on time, money or energy...
>
> Everything from "ShovelWare" take some random chunk of data from the
> CDs/DVDs you've produced and just shovel it up there and let users root
> around and find what they need.
>
> To a Fully Interactive site that lets folks search the archives and
> instantly retrieve the info we have put online or send a request to the
> archivist (or minion) to place it online for later retreival.
>
> JohnO
>
> C. D. Mami wrote:
> > John
> > not being as computer (read web) smart as I would like please tell me
more
> > My problem is I have ideas but no time to do them or even to learn how.
> > The thought of a web site for the archives is one I like except for (se
> > above)
> > Can you break down for me in dummy terms what is needed in knowledge and
> > money
> > Carl
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John O'Halloran <eoin@tyedye.org>
> > To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:44 PM
> > Subject: [ICG-BOD] The web site - Budget concerns.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Finally remembered to bug Verio (the ICG's ISP) accounting enough times
> >>to get an answer.
> >>
> >>Due to a series of mergers, buyouts and special deals the original
> >>company cut us, I cannot seperate out the ICG account from my personal
> >>account. To do so, would require changing them both to standard
> >>accounts. I cannot even delete ICG, without TYEDYE converting to a
> >>standard account.
> >>
> >>What this means, is the $50 a month I currently pay for both, would turn
> >>into $50 a month EACH if I seperated the accounts at Verio.
> >>
> >>If Jeff and BOD decide to move the site elsewhere, I get to keep the
> >>icg@verio.net account and come up with a new domain name for it.
> >>
> >>Or the ICG can start paying me the $25 a month that it costs me to
> >>maintain the account.*
> >>
> >>Also of note for budget planning. The domain costume.org is up for
> >>renewal in December of this year (2002).
> >>
> >>The ICG can pay me directly the $70 to renew the domain or I can
> >>transfer the ownership to someone else. But make *sure* that bill is
> >>payed ONTIME, there are cybersquaters who jump on a expired domain in a
> >>instant and put up a porn site.
> >>
> >> JohnO
> >>
> >>
> >>*for that you get 200MB of storage, 5GB of monthly transfer, 25 pop mail
> >>accounts, unlimited forwarding accounts, and other services.
> >>
> >>Can you say Archives Online? Can you say "you@costume.org"?
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 743 From: S_Trembley Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - BOD version
I have been asked to rejoin ICG-D and ICG-BOD for one week by any
means necessary. Seeing that there have been over 800 messages on
the two lists since August 1st, I frankly won't be reading many of
those messages.

All my annual reports have been published to this list. They're all
still there in the files section of the ICG-BOD group with the upload
dates to show they were posted back then, not in response to whatever
this is. Those asking at the time to have separate copies emailed to
them, I think got them, even if it was printed out and sent through
the regular mail.

The last update I sent to Darla was USPS delivery confirmation number
03010120000906655693 that included an interim treasurer's report and
the mailing labels for the next issue of the CQ. This was mailed
prior to this current hubbub when I rec'd word on 8/1 from Darla that
the next CQ issue was imminent.

The only uncashed check I have is a money order from Western Canada
received since my last visit to the bank on 7/26. Two of the checks
mentioned, Southwest Ck 1079 and Rob Himmelsbach's personal check for
Delaware Valley/Phrynge were in that deposit. I have not received a
member update from the St. Louis chapter since May 2000. Darla
mentioned she received information from St. Louis, but I have not
received a copy of it yet.

I currently don't think I have any concrete requests for
reimbursement. I have no receipts in hand or an explanation for why
a receipt is not available - the two ways to get reimbursed for
budgeted items, the second method with additional approval.

Regards,

Sharon Trembley
ICG Treasurer
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 744 From: C. D. Mami Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Fw: [ICG-D] Annual Meeting and Dues
----- Original Message -----
From: C. D. Mami <c.mami@verizon.net>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Annual Meeting and Dues


> After listening to everyone I have a thought why have a meeting no one is
> willing to give up there time so lets just change the rules so that the
> president makes up policy as they go along then you (the members) would
not
> be troubled by the tired issues of a general meeting.
> Or move the meeting away from the Con and require all board members attend
> and no general vote be allowed.
> If you want a voice in this you need give up something to get something.
> The problem is you don't want it cooked and won't eat it raw.
> WAKE UP no one wants the meetings no one likes the meetings but they are
> needed. DEAL WITH IT.
> Plan your time to make the meeting or pass the board position to some one
> who can.
> As for the rest of you if you don't vote you get what you paid for
> Carl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce & Nora Mai <casamai@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 8:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Annual Meeting and Dues
>
>
> > Yeah, unless you're staying through Tuesday leaving the meeting early or
> > missing it altogether is the only way to get on the road on time if
you're
> > driving.
> >
> > Nora
> >
> > "I like big bots and I cannot lie." - Bill Dwyer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "C. D. Mami" <c.mami@verizon.net>
> >
> >
> > > Beside maybe just once they may ask themselves what can I give to the
> > > meeting instead of when will this be over
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Group: ICG-BOD Message: 745 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - BOD version
In a message dated Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:55:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, stremble@lucent.com writes:

>
>
> I have been asked to rejoin ICG-D and ICG-BOD for one week by any
> means necessary. Seeing that there have been over 800 messages on
> the two lists since August 1st, I frankly won't be reading many of
> those messages.
>

While I can see your reluctance to wade through the old posts, I would hope that you'd at least consider staying on the BOD list after that week is up. Given that a major complaint from chapters has been the lack of communication from officers and specifically the treasurer, I'd venture to say that your presence here is a definite need.

JSM
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 746 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: The web site - Budget concerns.
Jeff --

I agree with you.

Byron


----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] The web site - Budget concerns.


> In a message dated 8/13/2002 8:46:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
> eoin@tyedye.org writes:
>
>
> > What this means, is the $50 a month I currently pay for both, would turn
> > into $50 a month EACH if I seperated the accounts at Verio.
> >
> > If Jeff and BOD decide to move the site elsewhere, I get to keep the
> > icg@verio.net account and come up with a new domain name for it.
> >
> > Or the ICG can start paying me the $25 a month that it costs me to
> > maintain the account.*
> >
> > Also of note for budget planning. The domain costume.org is up for
> > renewal in December of this year (2002).
> >
> > The ICG can pay me directly the $70 to renew the domain or I can
> > transfer the ownership to someone else. But make *sure* that bill is
> > payed ONTIME, there are cybersquaters who jump on a expired domain in a
> > instant and put up a porn site.
> >
> >
>
> "Oh...fudge..."
>
> I haven't had any plans to move the site. I'd say that we pay John off and
> pay the domain fee as well.
>
> JSM
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 747 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version
Does this imply that ability to back-up onto CD-R is a qualification for ICG
office? If so, I could not hold such offices, since I don't have a CD
burner.

Byron


----- Original Message -----
From: <jester415@aol.com>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: subRe: [ICG-BOD] Where do we stand? - the BOD version


> I am in agreement with Ann; there can not be too much back-up. Ensuring
that
> the information (databases, spreadsheets, etc.) is available to the ICG in
> the event of emergency is just good mitigation tactics. A quarterly
back-up,
> on to CD-Rs, with copies to the President, Vice-President and one other
> designate should be sufficient. Perhaps there is a secure online
solution,
> as well? Out of my league...
>
> Robert "Tony" Lunn
> President, GBACG
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 748 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Newsletter offer...
I agree with Betsy that such a move weould be very sensible.

Byron


----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Newsletter offer...


> How about we send it out, then a month or so later put it out on the site
for
> archive purposes?
>
> JSM
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 749 From: Byron Connell Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Re: Where do we stand? - BOD version
Sharon --

I strongly agree with Jeff. We need to have you on ICG-BOD. Please stay.

Byron


----- Original Message -----
From: <slcgjeff@aol.com>
To: <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-BOD] Re: Where do we stand? - BOD version


> In a message dated Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:55:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
stremble@lucent.com writes:
>
> >
> >
> > I have been asked to rejoin ICG-D and ICG-BOD for one week by any
> > means necessary. Seeing that there have been over 800 messages on
> > the two lists since August 1st, I frankly won't be reading many of
> > those messages.
> >
>
> While I can see your reluctance to wade through the old posts, I would
hope that you'd at least consider staying on the BOD list after that week is
up. Given that a major complaint from chapters has been the lack of
communication from officers and specifically the treasurer, I'd venture to
say that your presence here is a definite need.
>
> JSM
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 750 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Sharon on the BOD List
In a message dated 8/14/02 10:04:26 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
slcgjeff@aol.com writes:

> While I can see your reluctance to wade through the old posts, I would hope
> that you'd at least consider staying on the BOD list after that week is up.

> Given that a major complaint from chapters has been the lack of
communication
> from officers and specifically the treasurer, I'd venture to say that your
> presence here is a definite need.

Yes, please stay on the BOD list!

My own question has been answered. It only had to reach the right person.

If the traffic on ICG-D doesn't subside soon, I'll probably drop out of it
but remain on the BOD list too.

Randall
SWCG
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 751 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: The Treasurer speaks
I promised I'd wait for a follow up from Darla on our status, but forgive me
if I respond here:

From: "S_Trembley" <stremble@lucent.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:55 AM

> All my annual reports have been published to this list.

I don't recall ever seeing them I'll have to ask Jeff about this.

> I have not received a member update from the St. Louis chapter since May
2000.

In two years time, we never heard from you, either. Why didn't you try to
contact us? We tried to reach you -- our treasurer e-mailed you at least
twice and received no reply.

For the record, when we learned a while ago that we were somehow in arrears,
we sent checks 3 times. And updates/rosters. None have apparently reached
you. We never received any confirmation of receipt. One was sent to your
address by
registered mail -- it came back "undeliverable". I believe you have a
serious US Mail delivery problem in your area. Not our fault, not yours
either; but you should have noticed that.

Bruce
SLCG
Group: ICG-BOD Message: 752 From: slcgjeff@aol.com Date: 8/14/2002
Subject: Files, web page, and suggestion...
In a message dated 8/14/2002 9:00:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
casamai@sbcglobal.net writes:


> > All my annual reports have been published to this list.
>
> I don't recall ever seeing them I'll have to ask Jeff about this.
>
>

They aren't on the list per se; they're out on the Yahoo Groups page under
"Files". http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ICG-BOD/ and the column on the left is
what you click on. If I remember to, I'll probably migrate those files over
to the main web page under a special folder (the terms "swag" or "booty" come
immediately to mind, for which I blame you and Nora...).

As info, too, I've added a new section to the ICG web page--"Presidents
Message Archive". I've got what I had handy for 2000-2002, but I'm sure
there's more. If Byron and Darla could review and pass any missing stuff on,
I'll add it in as well.

Finally...regarding the newsletter vs CQ issue. I suspect it's been mentioned
already, but I can't recall at the moment. Why not simply get a newsletter
out ASAP to let people know the ICG is still around, and CONTINUE working
toward getting a CQ out?

As I see it, the newsletter should include a listing of all chapters, with
mailing address, web site address, main contract, dues structure for
each...some mention of the ICG web site and the ICG-D list...discussion of
what we're currently looking at (standing rules modifications), and an
invitation to come home, come home, ye who are weary come hoooooooooooome...

Sorry. Long day.

JSM


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