In a message dated 12/30/02 5:55:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
lisa58@juno.com writes:

> My real favorite comic is "Zits" because he REALLY knows teenagers, and
> Jeremy is about as typical a teenager as they come. (I always thought it
> was cute that htye named their boys "Chad" and "Jeremy", get it?).
>
>

The comic strip for SF fen is "Foxtrot." Lots of LOTR, Star Wars, computer,
etc references.

I have a quiet campaign going to get Mr. Amend invited as a local con guest.

Randall


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Betsy,
I was a strong and vocal supporter of the idea of a newsletter. I have
been negligent. THANK YOU !!
The problems of the ICG are extensive. But I think that the newsletter is
a significant step in the right direction.
If the chapters all actually report in to Sharon, that would be
another. You cannot have an organization that spends any money without
dues paying members. If the chapters do not send the money they have
collected to the Treasurer, the organization cannot function.
Dana

> I could use a second, larger photo for Carl at some point, but he looks so
> very distinguished in that suit!

Yes, he does clean up well. That shot was at my son's wedding, in the
Graceland Chapel in Las Vegas, where Carl also served as videographer! The
outfit Carl's wearing is known as his Sincere Suit, as it tends to impress
new relatives.

Elaine

"Be it ever so decadent, there's no place like home."
....Tom Lehrer

> And under their bodices they wore a Black & Decker Dust Bustier.

I have one of them! It prevents me from getting my bust dustier!

Elaine

"Be it ever so decadent, there's no place like home."
....Tom Lehrer

>

At 10:26 PM 12/29/2002, you wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:
>
> > > I'll ask a question now. Do you get "For Better or Worse" in the
> > >weekend comics? The coloured ones? I just finished reading it for this
> > >weekend. Ellie's dad recently remarried. Both he and his wife are
> > >somewhere in their seventies. She comes in with a new dress; asks what he
> > >thinks of it; she wants to wear it to the New Years Eve party. He doesn't
> > >say a word. He turns off the lights; lights candles; pours wine; and
> starts
> > >a romanic tape in the stero. He then takes her in his arms and starts to
> > >dance. She smiles and thinks that any other man would have simply said:
> > >"yes".
> >
> > Everything you've said is quite correct. Just one correction, the lady
> > (whose name I can't recall right now) isn't Ellie's father's wife. She
> > died, last year I believe. She's his new love interest and lives in the
> > same building he does. I don't doubt, however, that their destined for
> > matrimony. He is indeed a true romantic, as is Carl
> >
>Her name is Iris, and they did get married. Eloped and flew off to
>England.

Ah, somehow I missed that. My comics reading has been spotty this whole
last year.

Apologies
Pierre

>...searching www.fborfw.com for appropriate strip...
>
>http://www.fborfw.com/strip_fix/archive/02_09/0907.html
>
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Andromeda

We got a call from Marian Clark in Denver tonight. Daren has been in a car
accident and is in the hospital with a broken leg (tib-fib compound
fracture, left leg). We then talked to him tonight. He says he's
otherwise OK, he will have surgery tomorrow to repair the fractures. Don't
know when he will be out of hospital, but will have a cast for at least 6
weeks.

The accident wasn't his fault, AFAWK, the other guy made a left turn in
front of him (and was cited for failure to yield). Daren says the only
thing he remembers was approaching the intersection, then the next thing
was smelling sulfur and seeing smoke from the air bag. His car was
(probably) totaled, they had to cut and pry metal to get him out. This was
the new car he just got this past summer.

He was a bit fuzzy from the pain meds when we talked to him, but he said
that he still plans to be at CC21, though maybe only to watch and teach.

If anyone needs his address, let us know and we'll forward privately.

Pierre and Sandy

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Andromeda

She's not the person to send your nomination to. The current ICG
President is Darla Kruger. The email address listed on www.costume.org
is devinedwk2001@yahoo.com

Be sure to give your reasons for nominating her, as I'm told that's what
the people who vote for the award use to give them information/guidance
in making their choice.

Karen

Alix Jordan wrote:

>Dear Betsy:
>
> Since I'm actually a member this year, I'd like to nominate Barb
>Schofield for the Life Time Achievement award.
>
>Peace
>Alixandra
>eddana@hotmail.com
>

> Love the dress!

Thanks:) Yeah, it's certainly one of my favs of all I've made:) btw
just deleted my entire site to upload all new piccies... oh no...
just realised I goofed up... my file of one of these piccies is
corrupted and I wiped the one from my site! Ah well it is on the
alleycatscratch site so I'll just go copy from there, or rezise the
full scanned image...

> Love to see costumes in use/in action, too.

I have a new toy for Xmas, a digital camera:) So I've got new piccies
of old cossies taken to at least fill in blank pages;) And in time
I'm going to work out how to get the best action shots with it:)

> I have a question, though, as a relatively new costumer--
> How do you keep the train on a white dress like the one in your

sketch

> clean?

Well the dress is also very long and it did drag on the ground but
the fabric is super easy to clean:) It's microcrepe and I was able to
wash out just in the bathroom there the footprint when I stepped on
it in the mud;)

I have a bias tape on the inside that's able to be esily unpicked if
necessary.. but it hasn't prooved to be so far;)

For my big german ren gown I'll simply be not wearing it outdoors,
and the short time it will touch the ground getting to and from
places won't really matter:)

But I would face a train to be worn outsidewith something maybe
scotchguarded or otherwise dirt/water repellant in a weight suitable
to the fabric. So that would change depending on the gown:)

> I did Galadriel to wear to the opening of LOTR:TTT, (white lace at
> $1/yd--couldn't resist!) and the hemline is so filthy I'm afraid

I'll have

> to cut off the bottom inch and re-hem it so it doesn't quite touch

the

> ground. And I didn't even make it drag in the back like it should.

Or is it

> just the type fabric I used?

You should be able to get the dirt out by soaking the hem in Napisan.
It has been able to get out decades old rust stains from a purse I
bought, so this should be no problem:)

I'm guessing the lace will be man made fibre one for that price so
this should work:) Bleach would probably be fine for it too, but
bleach does really depend on the fibre and the colour;) Napisan works
on colours:) Or there must be some other stain remover that you can
just leave it soaking in?

Oh, I did wash the mud out with cold water... I think that helps too?
But others who are more knowelable than me should be around this
list:)

michaela

Dear Karen:

>
>She's not the person to send your nomination to. The current ICG
>President is Darla Kruger. The email address listed on www.costume.org
>is devinedwk2001@yahoo.com

I tried it and the letter was bounced.

Peace
Alixandra
eddana@hotmail.com

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Anyone wishing to nominate for the Lifetime Achievement award please send
them to me I will see that they are properly taken care of.
send them to c.mami@verizon.net
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Thank you all for your suggestions.
I'll see how I can apply that, though the lace is unattached and floats over
the white lining-- maybe if I add an additional inch (2-3 in back) to the
lining it'll help the lace. And I think I have something pretty plastic-y to
line inside the lining. Plus, I'll just have to remember to pick it up
walking major distances, and only let it sweep in the lobby, etc.

Wren
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Trains on dresses


One method to keep a train (relatively) clean is what I employed a few
years ago on the "Lady of Rainbows" dress (which was made of sky-blue
velvet) was to hand-sew a fairly heavy lining onto the bottom of the
train (I think I used a heavy satin that I had left over from the
sleeves). It did get dirty very fast, but I could take it off and clean
it, or just not worry about it. Another advantage was that using a
fairly heavy fabric helped keep the train from bunching up.

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In a message dated 12/30/2002 7:14:36 PM Central Standard Time,
bconnel1@nycap.rr.com writes:

> I was really hoping for the baby picture!
>
>

Updates, Byron, updates!

JSM


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Dear Carl:

>Anyone wishing to nominate for the Lifetime Achievement award please send
>them to me I will see that they are properly taken care of.
>send them to c.mami@verizon.net

Thank you , sir knight. I kept a copy of the message, and will
forward it to you.

Peace
Alixandra
eddana@hotmail.com

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When I was President, I tried to assemble a brief paragraph on each nominee
that I included with the ballots I sent to the Board. Sometimes this was
not real easy to do, so I am quite confident that whoever prepares the 2003
ballot would very much appreciate statements supporting the nomination.

Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Heim" <axejudge@accessus.net>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Lifetime Achievement Awards/


>
> She's not the person to send your nomination to. The current ICG
> President is Darla Kruger. The email address listed on www.costume.org
> is devinedwk2001@yahoo.com
>
> Be sure to give your reasons for nominating her, as I'm told that's what
> the people who vote for the award use to give them information/guidance
> in making their choice.
>
> Karen
>
> Alix Jordan wrote:
>
> >Dear Betsy:
> >
> > Since I'm actually a member this year, I'd like to nominate Barb
> >Schofield for the Life Time Achievement award.
> >
> >Peace
> >Alixandra

Happy New Year, everyone!

Byron

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Happy new year and hopefully this one is a better year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Byron Connell [mailto:bconnel1@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:07 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com; ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ICG-D] 2003

Happy New Year, everyone!

Byron

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That Randall...what ARE we going to do with hime?

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Please give Daren my sincere thoughts. I know exactly what is involved
in the surgery he has to have (Of course I'd need Xrays to know exactly
what rod and screws he's going to have placed). The only comfort is that
orthopedics these days is pretty advanced and his chances of a great
outcome are excellent. Nonetheless he has to amke it through the surgery
and being casted and uncomfortable.

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Obviously someone forgot (gee, they do this alot in movies and one
notices this when one works in them), or another change from the
books. I noticed alot of cxhanges from the book, and would explain to
my hubby, who has never read the books (his is more th hardcore SF
that he reads). So, karen, it can be one way or the other.
Pam

> OK, I'm going to totally geek out herefor a moment, so bear with

me...

>
> I went to see TWO TOWERS a second time this weekend *just* to see

if

> Aragorn is carrying Anduril (the reforged Shards of Narsil, the

Sword that

> was Broken).
>
> I can say with 100% certainty that he is NOT. In the movies, the

Sword has

> a hollow pommel that makes the hilt very distinctive. The Sword is

nowhere

> to be seen except in the "flash forward" sequence where Aragorn is

dead of

> old age and lying in state (which makes sense in that context).
>
> However, it is a Big Deal in the book version of the Trilogy that

he is

> carrying this sword, and he leaves Rivendell with it in the books.

He

> fusses over having to hand it over to enter Theodin's hall, and he

fights

> using it at Helm's Deep.
>
> In an Extended scene in the recently-released DVD of FELLOWSHIP OF

THE

> RING, Aragorn kneels at his mother's grave, and Elrond tells him

that is

> possible to reforge the sword (but NOT that it has been done).

Aragorn

> replies that he does not want the responsibility that comes with

carrying

> the sword; hence my assumption he is not carrying said sword in TWO

TOWERS.

>
> So how are they going to deal with this issue in the movie trilogy?

Is

> Arwen just going to come riding up in RETURN OF THE KING and hand

it to him?

>
> ???
>
> I'm perplexed and frustrated.
>
> --Karen (who believes in having the Right Props to go with one's

costume

> and has a very nice painting of Aragorn saluting the moon with the

reforged

> Sword hanging in her Library)

Speaking as Parliamentarian, It would be technically possible to make a
motion to suspend the rules to retroactively award a 2002 Lifetime
Achievement Award. This might be difficult to do before the CC21 meeting,
though there are ways around that.

Pierre

At 03:17 PM 12/30/2002, you wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:24:27 EST
> slcgjeff@aol.com wrote:
> > Other way around, I've been informed. Animal X won in
> > 2001, but no award was
> > given in 2002.
> >
> > JSM
>
>See, that's just so *wrong*. With so many people qualified
>for, and deserving of, the award, there's no excuse for the
>ICG missing a year for APATHY.
>
>For a long time, I didn't nominate anyone because I didn't
>feel I knew enough to have an informed opinion on the
>matter. But I can't honestly say that now, and neither
>should a lot of other people.
>
>Come on, folks! Let's get those nominations in!
>
>Karen
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Pierre
2002 is gone lets us look to the future and make sure we have an award for
2003.
Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@radiks.net>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Lifetime Achievement Award Page


> Speaking as Parliamentarian, It would be technically possible to make a
> motion to suspend the rules to retroactively award a 2002 Lifetime
> Achievement Award. This might be difficult to do before the CC21 meeting,
> though there are ways around that.
>
> Pierre
>
> At 03:17 PM 12/30/2002, you wrote:
> >On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:24:27 EST
> > slcgjeff@aol.com wrote:
> > > Other way around, I've been informed. Animal X won in
> > > 2001, but no award was
> > > given in 2002.
> > >
> > > JSM
> >
> >See, that's just so *wrong*. With so many people qualified
> >for, and deserving of, the award, there's no excuse for the
> >ICG missing a year for APATHY.
> >
> >For a long time, I didn't nominate anyone because I didn't
> >feel I knew enough to have an informed opinion on the
> >matter. But I can't honestly say that now, and neither
> >should a lot of other people.
> >
> >Come on, folks! Let's get those nominations in!
> >
> >Karen
> >
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> Are Doomed To Repeat It;
> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly--
> Why They Are Simply Doomed."
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> Achemdro'hm
> "The Illusion of Historical Fact"
> -- C.Y. 4971
>
> Andromeda
>
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On Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:43:17 -0600
Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@radiks.net> wrote:

> Speaking as Parliamentarian, It would be technically
> possible to make a
> motion to suspend the rules to retroactively award a 2002
> Lifetime
> Achievement Award. This might be difficult to do before
> the CC21 meeting,
> though there are ways around that.
>
> Pierre

Pierre, I like the way you think!

My concerns:

1. When/where would the "late" award be presented?
2. How would you keep from having the current year's
winner from feeling that their thunder had been stolen?
I'd like to think our egos are all secure enough to handle
that, but then there's reality.

Karen

I fell down in the snow getting off a bus on Thursday (Dec. 26). Everyone
else exited fine, I found the patch of ice. I landed on my right side,
hard, but nothing was broken. However, I missed two days of work and my
apartment smells like Bengay. I'm much better now, sore, but better.

Question: Is Barb still the Masquerade Director of Torcon 3 and is there a
"Torcon 3 Masquerade Newsletter"?

Question to Henry: Where's Progress Report #1 and #2?

To Pierre & Sandy: Please tell Daren to eat chocolate so he can heal
quickly. (It works for Harry!)

To Lisa: Ditto to Celia re: chocolate.

Toni
<quietly eating chocolate>

Just to let you know -
"Chicago" was WONDERFUL! I don't think there was a bad performance in
the bunch. Queen Latifah is especially fabulous as the prison warden. The
costumes and hairstyles are great. The stagings and sets are excellent. As
my husband said coming out of the theater, "all bets are off for the
Oscars". See it when it gets to your local theatre. We were lucky that we
have enough Oscar voters in town to be one of the 25 first cities that it
opened in, but it should be in general release later this month. Go!!!

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It could be awarded as a surprise on Sunday. Traditionally, the LAA is
awarded on Saturday, during the awards.

Personally, I like it, and it could be done (conceivably) if we have
more than one recipient nominated. There would, of course, need to be
special mention prior to the selection, so you could identify who got
which award. Or we could award the previous year's recipient based on
the first and second runner up for this year's nominations...

Just my $0.02.

Happy New Year!

Betsy

Karen Heim wrote:

>

[snip]

>
> My concerns:
>
> 1. When/where would the "late" award be presented?
> 2. How would you keep from having the current year's
> winner from feeling that their thunder had been stolen?
> I'd like to think our egos are all secure enough to handle
> that, but then there's reality.
>
> Karen

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Hi, Pam!

I think Anduril will eventually show up in the movies, just not where we
expected it...

--Karen

At 08:23 PM 1/2/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>Obviously someone forgot (gee, they do this alot in movies and one
>notices this when one works in them), or another change from the
>books. I noticed alot of cxhanges from the book, and would explain to
>my hubby, who has never read the books (his is more th hardcore SF
>that he reads). So, karen, it can be one way or the other.
>Pam

At 04:05 PM 1/2/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>1. When/where would the "late" award be presented?
>2. How would you keep from having the current year's
>winner from feeling that their thunder had been stolen?
> I'd like to think our egos are all secure enough to handle
>that, but then there's reality.
>
>Karen

Considering the 2002 Costume-Con (where the award is typically presented)
was in Australia, and very poorly attended, I think it could be used as an
excuse to hand out the 2002 and 2003 awards concurrently.

The other Karen

It's in *one* theater in Pittsburgh (but on multiple screens). We're going
to try to go tomorrow.

--Karen

Toni Hope you are better
Barb is not the masquerade director for Torcon 3 Martin is and I am the
assistant
Carl

----- Original Message -----
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To: <icg-d@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:08 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] Ending the Year with a bang


>
> I fell down in the snow getting off a bus on Thursday (Dec. 26). Everyone
> else exited fine, I found the patch of ice. I landed on my right side,
> hard, but nothing was broken. However, I missed two days of work and my
> apartment smells like Bengay. I'm much better now, sore, but better.
>
> Question: Is Barb still the Masquerade Director of Torcon 3 and is there
a
> "Torcon 3 Masquerade Newsletter"?
>
> Question to Henry: Where's Progress Report #1 and #2?
>
> To Pierre & Sandy: Please tell Daren to eat chocolate so he can heal
> quickly. (It works for Harry!)
>
> To Lisa: Ditto to Celia re: chocolate.
>
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> <quietly eating chocolate>
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Trudy
If you say it is worth the trip I will go see it
What songs did they change or leave out.
Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:22 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] Chicago!


> Just to let you know -
> "Chicago" was WONDERFUL! I don't think there was a bad performance
in
> the bunch. Queen Latifah is especially fabulous as the prison warden. The
> costumes and hairstyles are great. The stagings and sets are excellent.
As
> my husband said coming out of the theater, "all bets are off for the
> Oscars". See it when it gets to your local theatre. We were lucky that we
> have enough Oscar voters in town to be one of the 25 first cities that it
> opened in, but it should be in general release later this month. Go!!!
>
> Trudy
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Right now there are three name in
Carl



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My personal reaction is that this would not be a good idea.

Byron

----- Original Message -----
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To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Lifetime Achievement Award Page


> Speaking as Parliamentarian, It would be technically possible to make a
> motion to suspend the rules to retroactively award a 2002 Lifetime
> Achievement Award. This might be difficult to do before the CC21 meeting,
> though there are ways around that.
>
> Pierre
>
> At 03:17 PM 12/30/2002, you wrote:
> >On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:24:27 EST
> > slcgjeff@aol.com wrote:
> > > Other way around, I've been informed. Animal X won in
> > > 2001, but no award was
> > > given in 2002.
> > >
> > > JSM
> >
> >See, that's just so *wrong*. With so many people qualified
> >for, and deserving of, the award, there's no excuse for the
> >ICG missing a year for APATHY.
> >
> >For a long time, I didn't nominate anyone because I didn't
> >feel I knew enough to have an informed opinion on the
> >matter. But I can't honestly say that now, and neither
> >should a lot of other people.
> >
> >Come on, folks! Let's get those nominations in!
> >
> >Karen

Both you and Carl have this reaction.

I respect both of you, so I'd like to hear your opinions as to why this
is wrong/not appropriate.

Karen

Byron Connell wrote:

>My personal reaction is that this would not be a good idea.
>
>Byron
>

In reply to your suggestion of awarding two awards
First it would require board members to take time to vote for a temporary
change to the standing rules which would take away from the item that need
to be decided before the annual meeting.
Second there is no rule that states an award must be given but does state
only one award per year
Third it would require a change to the budget again more votes from the
board before other business
Fourth the lime light is special (I know) and sharing it is unfair to the
person receiving it.
Last that space in there may just serve as a reminder that we have a job to
do and if the space offends us then maybe we will never forget again
Carl

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Lifetime Achievement Award Page


> Both you and Carl have this reaction.
>
> I respect both of you, so I'd like to hear your opinions as to why this
> is wrong/not appropriate.
>
> Karen
>
> Byron Connell wrote:
>
> >My personal reaction is that this would not be a good idea.
> >
> >Byron
> >
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No, I don't get to read his postings before the rest of you, but my opinions
are:

> the lime light is special (I know) and sharing it is unfair to the
> person {or persons!} receiving it.

.....Both the current and the "Oops! We forgot!"" winners.

And what I consider the most important reason,

>Last that space in there may just serve as a reminder that we have a job to
> do and if the space offends us then maybe we will never forget again

I don't think anyone would like to be the recipient of the award given just
to fill in the gap. I know I wouldn't!


Elaine

Carl -

Haven't seen the show in too long to know for sure, but Fiona said they left
out at least two songs. One is a duet between the Matron and Velma, but I'm
not sure about the other.

Trudy

>From: "C. D. Mami" <c.mami@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
>To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Chicago!
>Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:57:31 -0500
>
>Trudy
>If you say it is worth the trip I will go see it
>What songs did they change or leave out.
>Carl
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>
>To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:22 PM
>Subject: [ICG-D] Chicago!
>
>
> > Just to let you know -
> > "Chicago" was WONDERFUL! I don't think there was a bad performance
>in
> > the bunch. Queen Latifah is especially fabulous as the prison warden.
>The
> > costumes and hairstyles are great. The stagings and sets are excellent.
>As
> > my husband said coming out of the theater, "all bets are off for the
> > Oscars". See it when it gets to your local theatre. We were lucky that
>we
> > have enough Oscar voters in town to be one of the 25 first cities that
>it
> > opened in, but it should be in general release later this month. Go!!!
> >
> > Trudy
> >
> >
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Happy New Year! Time to start thinking about what YOU want to do for the
Future Fashion Show. Here are some current show stats to get you moving.

1.You now have only 3.5 months to get it done. One of the people who signed
up back in November is almost done (okay, she's an over-achiever - but you
can't complain about lack of time on this one, you lost 2 months all by your
self.)
2. There are 24 designs reserved, that leaves 57 other fabulous choices.
3. Of that 24:
14 are being made by members of the SLCG (people that I can directly
harass, but I only used strong-arm techniques on 2)
4 are by other Midwesterners (That makes a total of 18 Midwest entries)
5 are by people I know are on the East Coast
1 is from Canada
7 have never participated before

So I have no reservations from the West Coast and not as many as I'd like
from the East. Pierre & Sandy inform me that they have mailed over 100
folios.
Hmmmm.....
Is this thing on?

Nora Mai
casamai@sbcglobal.net
"Fashion Week 2003 -- wait for it!"

Please give Daren our love. Why not give us all his address, so we can
flood him with silly cards and warm wishes.

Elaine

> We got a call from Marian Clark in Denver tonight. Daren has been in a

car

> accident and is in the hospital with a broken leg (tib-fib compound
> fracture, left leg). We then talked to him tonight. He says he's
> otherwise OK, he will have surgery tomorrow to repair the fractures.

Don't

> know when he will be out of hospital, but will have a cast for at least 6
> weeks.
> He was a bit fuzzy from the pain meds when we talked to him, but he said
> that he still plans to be at CC21, though maybe only to watch and teach.
>
> If anyone needs his address, let us know and we'll forward privately.

I'm kinda surprised Sir Ian McKellan accepted the role. It's so similar to
the Gandalf character. But, I think he'll do a great job of being
Dumbledore.

I was thinking, if the Harry Potter movies had been done as comedies, the
perfect Snape would have been Rowan Atkinson.

Toni

-----Original Message-----
From: Alix Jordan [mailto:eddana@hotmail.com]
Sent: December 28, 2002 11:16 AM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ICG-D] Dumbledore


Gentlebeings:

Looks like the Harry Potter people agreed with most of us: Sir Ian is

the new Dumbledore.

Peace
Alixandra
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Today is J.R.R. Tolkien's birthday. He was born in 1892, so today is his
eleventy-first birthday.

Toni
(Chris just told me.)

--- In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, "Lay, Toni" <layt@d...> wrote:

> I'm kinda surprised Sir Ian McKellan accepted the role. It's so

similar to

> the Gandalf character. But, I think he'll do a great job of being
> Dumbledore.

Toni my dear, he hasn't, nor has Michael Gambon, as has also been
reported.

>
> Looks like the Harry Potter people agreed with most of us:

Sir Ian is

> the new Dumbledore.
>

Er, no. He isn't (yet):

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-film.html?2002-12/30/10.00.film

--JZS

Hi Julie!

Well, if no one's been officially chosen to play Dumbledore, my nominations
are:

Chris Lee (although he'd probably scare Snape)
Michael Caine
Peter O'Toole
Sean Connery (Hogwarts IS in Scotland afterall)
John Neville
No Award

Toni

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Zetterberg Sardo <Nebula5@aol.com> [mailto:Nebula5@aol.com]
Sent: January 03, 2003 1:42 PM
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ICG-D] Re: Dumbledore

--- In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, "Lay, Toni" <layt@d...> wrote:
> I'm kinda surprised Sir Ian McKellan accepted the role. It's so
similar to
> the Gandalf character. But, I think he'll do a great job of being
> Dumbledore.

Toni my dear, he hasn't, nor has Michael Gambon, as has also been
reported.





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Ah yes "Class" I wonder what the other song was
Carl
BTW who played Amos and did they do his song Mr. Cellophane

----- Original Message -----
From: Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Chicago!


>
> Carl -
>
> Haven't seen the show in too long to know for sure, but Fiona said they
left
> out at least two songs. One is a duet between the Matron and Velma, but
I'm
> not sure about the other.
>
> Trudy
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "C. D. Mami" <c.mami@verizon.net>
> >Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Chicago!
> >Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:57:31 -0500
> >
> >Trudy
> >If you say it is worth the trip I will go see it
> >What songs did they change or leave out.
> >Carl
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>
> >To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:22 PM
> >Subject: [ICG-D] Chicago!
> >
> >
> > > Just to let you know -
> > > "Chicago" was WONDERFUL! I don't think there was a bad
performance
> >in
> > > the bunch. Queen Latifah is especially fabulous as the prison warden.
> >The
> > > costumes and hairstyles are great. The stagings and sets are
excellent.
> >As
> > > my husband said coming out of the theater, "all bets are off for the
> > > Oscars". See it when it gets to your local theatre. We were lucky
that
> >we
> > > have enough Oscar voters in town to be one of the 25 first cities that
> >it
> > > opened in, but it should be in general release later this month. Go!!!
> > >
> > > Trudy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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They did do "Cellophane" and the gentleman who did it was outstanding.
Would like to have seen your version, though.

Trudy

>From: "C. D. Mami" <c.mami@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
>To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Chicago!
>Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:27:23 -0500
>
>Ah yes "Class" I wonder what the other song was
>Carl
>BTW who played Amos and did they do his song Mr. Cellophane
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>
>To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Chicago!
>
>
> >
> > Carl -
> >
> > Haven't seen the show in too long to know for sure, but Fiona said they
>left
> > out at least two songs. One is a duet between the Matron and Velma, but
>I'm
> > not sure about the other.
> >
> > Trudy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "C. D. Mami" <c.mami@verizon.net>
> > >Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Chicago!
> > >Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:57:31 -0500
> > >
> > >Trudy
> > >If you say it is worth the trip I will go see it
> > >What songs did they change or leave out.
> > >Carl
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>
> > >To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:22 PM
> > >Subject: [ICG-D] Chicago!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Just to let you know -
> > > > "Chicago" was WONDERFUL! I don't think there was a bad
>performance
> > >in
> > > > the bunch. Queen Latifah is especially fabulous as the prison
>warden.
> > >The
> > > > costumes and hairstyles are great. The stagings and sets are
>excellent.
> > >As
> > > > my husband said coming out of the theater, "all bets are off for the
> > > > Oscars". See it when it gets to your local theatre. We were lucky
>that
> > >we
> > > > have enough Oscar voters in town to be one of the 25 first cities
>that
> > >it
> > > > opened in, but it should be in general release later this month.
>Go!!!
> > > >
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A part I always wanted to play but no voice and no acting talent seem to get
in the way. Minor problems but problems none the less
The language in the play was not real bad but movies have changed since West
Side Story so it most likely not a problem
Did they add any new songs?
Just got a new CD of Hair and several songs written but not in the play were
on it. I have tried to see where these song would go but no luck
They are bringing back Man of LaMancha back to Broadway I hope to get to see
it.
Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Chicago!


> They did do "Cellophane" and the gentleman who did it was outstanding.
> Would like to have seen your version, though.
>
> Trudy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "C. D. Mami" <c.mami@verizon.net>
> >Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Chicago!
> >Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:27:23 -0500
> >
> >Ah yes "Class" I wonder what the other song was
> >Carl
> >BTW who played Amos and did they do his song Mr. Cellophane
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>
> >To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:13 AM
> >Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Chicago!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Carl -
> > >
> > > Haven't seen the show in too long to know for sure, but Fiona said
they
> >left
> > > out at least two songs. One is a duet between the Matron and Velma,
but
> >I'm
> > > not sure about the other.
> > >
> > > Trudy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "C. D. Mami" <c.mami@verizon.net>
> > > >Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Chicago!
> > > >Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:57:31 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Trudy
> > > >If you say it is worth the trip I will go see it
> > > >What songs did they change or leave out.
> > > >Carl
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Trudy Leonard <georgialei@hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:22 PM
> > > >Subject: [ICG-D] Chicago!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Just to let you know -
> > > > > "Chicago" was WONDERFUL! I don't think there was a bad
> >performance
> > > >in
> > > > > the bunch. Queen Latifah is especially fabulous as the prison
> >warden.
> > > >The
> > > > > costumes and hairstyles are great. The stagings and sets are
> >excellent.
> > > >As
> > > > > my husband said coming out of the theater, "all bets are off for
the
> > > > > Oscars". See it when it gets to your local theatre. We were lucky
> >that
> > > >we
> > > > > have enough Oscar voters in town to be one of the 25 first cities
> >that
> > > >it
> > > > > opened in, but it should be in general release later this month.
> >Go!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Trudy
> > > > >
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