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I use Facebook and find it annoying and I have no idea what Slack is. I would like to see a guild site something like Ravelry (https://www.ravelry.com/) for the Knitting and Crocheting crowd. It has Forums on different topics... all moderated. It has a great search engine for patterns and forum topics. It has groups by interest (historical, sci fi) and by location (local guilds). It has Eye Candy on the homepage. It has mailboxes for members so people can talk privately without giving out their "real" email address. You have to join to see most of what is available, but if you do a google search such as "wonder woman site:ravelry.com" and press "what am I missing" or go to the bottom of the page and press "goodies" or "merchandise" you can get a feel for a few things available without actually joining. On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:01 PM, "ICG-D@yahoogroups.com" <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote: 3 Messages
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MessagesTue Sep 26, 2017 2:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Carole Parker" mscipsec
The D-list is supposed to serve this purpose. If it is not, then something needs to be done in regards to moderation. Not necessarily reinventing the wheel. The idea that Yahoogroups would go away soon started happening two-four years ago, and it is still here. Being prepared is a good idea, but I do not see a rush being needed at this point. Have we been backing up the Yahoogroup history? If not, I think that would be a good starting point. See about copying it to a server that the ICG controls/has access to.
I know numerous people who will have *nothing* to do with Facebook, so telling people that they can’t discuss things unless they use a product they object to will lose rather than gain us people. As an additional source of information, sure. Exclusive? No. To my way of thinking, Facebook is good for pushing information out but not really for discussions. I have seen too many discussions go off the rails on Facebook too easily, and when you get a long thread, you may not see stuff because it is hidden. I’m not sure that Slack is necessarily needed, since we already have ICG YouTube channels already created. As far as I know, it’s mostly the Archives, but who says the ICG could not expand into other YouTube channels? I admit that I know nothing about Slack. It would be good to have a *basic* Slack explanation, so we can be more informed. For example, can you limit who has access to Slack in general? What if someone doesn’t want to have a particular person see a post? Could they exclude that person from a thread? (Talk about divisive.) Betsy Marks Delaney brings up several good points. I am not as disillusioned as she is, but when you’re dependent on someone else or a tool you don’t control, you always have potential issues. Maybe it isn’t about using “new” tools but using the ones you currently have well. Until later— Carole > On Sep 24, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Marianne Pease marianne.esl@gmail.com [ICG-D] <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Until later-- Carole Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Marianne Pease" mp_cosplay
The D list does serve this purpose and will continue to serve as it does
as long as it's available. We are not getting rid of it. However, strict moderation will not increase participation on the list. Many- most even- of our members don't follow the D-list. Some choose not to receive it in their inbox at all and only visit yahoo occasionally (if ever) to read it. For others it just turns into a lengthy email chain that they are not participating in or even reading. Email lists suffer from the fundamental drawback of throwing everything that anyone writes at everyone on the list regardless of interests or relevance. As such an unfocused means of communication they don't encourage casual discussion between members. Betsy has hit the nail on the head here, in my opinion: "Long term, we should be working toward making access easy for all members... Two issues: What's going to reach the most people, and how we will preserve what we already have?" Facebook has its issues and not everyone will participate there but having a presence there would provide easy access to the ICG community for those who DO use Facebook. No one wants to move all ICG discussion there exclusively but we would benefit from discussion taking place there! As for Slack, it is a much more controlled environment than Facebook and has nothing to do with youtube- though the video I linked explains the basics of the program. Access to Slack is by invitation only and would be a private place of discussion for ICG members. It essentially operates as a series of linked chat rooms or forums. You can't exclude an individual from seeing what you post in a public channel any more than you can prevent someone on the D-list from reading it. You CAN send an individual a private message, however, just as you could choose to email an individual. All the best, Marianne Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Aurora Celeste" jayenks
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Carole Parker mscip@sonic.net [ICG-D] <
ICG-D@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >There are people we are already missing by having only Yahoo group. They're obviously not here to tell you why they object to yahoo and groups, but those people do exist, just as people protesting facebook exist. I think, to make this conversation more useful, we should forget about Yahoo vs Facebook vs Slack etc and talk about what we want to communicate with each other and how. Is it more important that messages *push*, like email, and it comes to you, or can it *pull*, like a message board, and you check it when you can to see what's new? Do we want an easily-accessible record of past conversation? Do we want things to be very topical, where you can ignore conversations about museum exhibits if you don't care for those (ex), or do we want something where everyone sees everything? How much off-topic chat is important? Can people who are here ask their guildies who are not here these questions so that we don't just get a consensus of people who are already working in one format, because that tends to be exclusionary by default? ~Aurora 
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