>Slightly off topic, did anyone tape the Dune mini-series that began on
>Sunday night? We missed part 1 because our cable decided that was the time
>to stop working.

What a silly question. I'm sure several people have it on tape. I have each night on a separate tape. I watched it primarily for the costumes, then set design and storytelling. I can send you my tape if you have a means to copy it. I've only got one VCR. But, I recently acquired DVD :-)

>Back on topic, what we saw of the costumes on the other two nights (haven't
>watched all of it) were interesting.
>

There's a short article about the costume designer in the bio section of the website http://www.scifi.com/dune I liked most of the costumes. Although by the end, I was a little tired of the "flying nuns". I'd like to do a Spacing Guild Representative.

Bruno

Susan --

Would you write this up for the Quarterly?

Byron

>>> Stringer@cdc.net 12/02/00 09:09AM >>>

As I have seen it, from the point of view as Contestant, Judge & Masque Mistress,
the fallowing tend to hold true:

#1 Be original. This doesn't mean that you can't do Recreation, just don't do
the same old costume clique's that have been done to death. Avoid Star Trek,
Star Wars, Dr. Who, Snow Qeens, Peacock Ladies, Wizards, SCA garb, etc. If you
feel the need to do these, you better have the Biggest, Best, Fanciest, Knock 'em
on thier Butts version of the costume or a really good twist to the presentation
to make you stand out of the crowd.

#2 Play to the Audience. If you can get the audience excited, the judges tend to
score higher. The audience is there to be impressed and entertained. You need
to have some element to your costume or presentation that will make the audience
FEEL something. The costume must be visually impressive or the presentation must
be compelling and interesting.

#2A Humor is Easier than Drama. This is the origin of the "Funny Wins"
mentality. Everyone leaves the Masquerade talking about the presentation that
made them laugh until they cried. Finding an amusing twist is always a good
thing, especially if you can tie it to current events, and most of us can think
of at least one joke. Dramatic presentations are by far the most difficult ones
to acheive, because you must first get the audience to "shift gears" mentally
from the standard fair of humorous presentations. However, many dramatic
presentations have won because they sparked an old, fond memory or wrinched the
guts of every person watching. Those presentations tend to leave lasting
impressions on people that they remember years after the event.

#3 Avoid book charactors. Select something that stands on its own visual merit
and does not depend on the documentation. The judges may overlook your docs and
the audience will never see it. Aside from JRRTolkien, it is difficult to find a
book that everyone has read. (Harry Potter may be reaching the recognition level
of Gandolf though.) If you loose the audience in obsurity, you've lost the
contest.

#4 Groups must be Consistant! Many of us overlook this very important element of
costuming, including myself. If one produces a group of costumes, they must
have some unifying visual thread. When standing together, they must all look
like they belong together, not like a group of unrelated costumes standing in
line back stage.



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She's now in #328. It's a fairly small facility, though, so I doubt if
anything would get "lost" if it had the wrong room number on it. Her full
address is now:

Margaret Kennedy, Rm. 328
c/o Marquis Care at Mt. Tabor
6040 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97215

While she is in a private room, she doesn't have her computer as there is
no phone line into the room itself. However, her email is getting picked up
by another friend of hers, Marc Wells (Patty's husband), and taken to her.
Marc is apparently reading them to her when she doesn't feel up to reading
them herself. So, yes, do send her email. peggykennedy@involved.com

I don't mean to sound downbeat but it is apparent now to both staff and
(local) friends that she probably doesn't have long left. Her 71st birthday
is on the 16th of this month (two Saturdays from now) and I think she would
appreciate special cards regarding that.

Currently, her niece, Alison, is in town for a couple of days and then her
nephew (I just spaced on his name!) will be in town for a day or two, as
well, starting Friday. He's making a side excursion from a business trip to
Seattle.

Her regular visitors have been Marc and Patty, Page Fuller, Jim Fiscus, and
Annika Johnson and myself. Since Jim lives just down the street, he's
visited her every day from what I can tell and sometimes even twice a day.


ttyl,
Brenna

Dear Lisa:

>Sometimes I wish they would Read The Book!

No matter how many people have read the book; seen the movie; bought the
print, you are best off assuming that the judges don't read; have never seen
a movie; and are blind. It doesn't matter if the costume is from the
leading movie of the day! There will be judges who have never heard of it.
I've done costumes from books; I've done costumes form Terry Pratchett's
books, and he sells as many books as Stephan King! His books have garnered
him an OBE! But will the judges recognize it. No. My friend, Linda, did a
Deja Thoris, from the book. It was accurate, but since it didn't look like
a Frank Frazeta cover, they didn't get it.
The only thing to do, is to assume that the judges are idiots (not always
true), or have spent their lives, up until five minutes ago, in a monestary,
without televison, or the internet, at the top of the hightest mountain, in
a cell, while locked in a closet without sight, sound, or any other imput.
So, you get the book; copy out the passages that you are re-creating; and
staple them to the form; one copy for the judges; one copy for the
workmanship judge; one copy for the M.C. so that he can tell the judges
"that was a re-creation of blah blah blah from that thing"; maybe then, you
have a chance of getting your point across.

Peace
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I agree! Since I read huge amounts of stuff, and still run into references
I have not yet read (or don't care to read), and since I go to very few
movies (I see the videos eventually) and don't watch lots of anime, etc., I
find all of those suggestions are terrific. I also don't hesitate to ask
the other judges if they know the reference and if it fits or not. That's
why judges work in panels, not solo.

Elaine

> The only thing to do, is to assume that the judges are idiots (not
>always
>true), or have spent their lives, up until five minutes ago, in a
>monestary,
>without televison, or the internet, at the top of the hightest mountain, in
>a cell, while locked in a closet without sight, sound, or any other imput.
>So, you get the book; copy out the passages that you are re-creating; and
>staple them to the form; one copy for the judges; one copy for the
>workmanship judge; one copy for the M.C. so that he can tell the judges
>"that was a re-creation of blah blah blah from that thing"; maybe then, you
>have a chance of getting your point across.

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Regarding Alixandra's comment:

No matter how wonderfully or accurately I can re-create a costume from a
visual or written image, it has to do something on stage for people to
relate to it somehow. Of course, audiences (and judges) seem to like it
if it has some sort of glitz to it. That's not always possible, to stay
true to the image. Costumes from the Star Wars movies are a case in
point. BUT, if the costume does something that is within the character's
range, or even a twisted something on stage, peopl will like it even if
they are unfamiliar with the source.

I tend to avoid long narrative intros read by the MC. I'll usually edit
it at least three times if it's more than an average sentence. With
"Mists of Avalon", (Merlin and Morgaine and the whole idea of the
transfer of power from one to the other) I had to give some sort of
intro, so I used an early passage from the book, in MZ Bradley's own
written words, but I kept it short. With the "Isis" there was no intro,
just a measure's length of drumbeats from the soundtrack I had chosen,
since I Was starting on stage in blackout. With the Isis, the stage
presentation was very simple--walking the stage, sideways and positioning
the wings the way Isis is depicted in hieroglyphs--it's a very
recognizable image, even in profile.

With recreations, I still believe that, if your presentation doesn't
have a specific story to tell, shorter is better--anything that will
highlight a trait of the character wearing the costume. The
presentations I"ve seen that the narration goes on and on and then the
poor costumer comes out to "act out" what the narration has already
presented, tend to be less interesting visually.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A.
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Alixandra, this is an excellent rule of thumb, in general.

In high school, my art teacher caught me subtitling one of my pieces. He
told me that if people couldn't figure it out by looking at it, there
was a problem with the piece. That rule has stuck with me for, well, at
least 20 years now.

Much of my stuff remains obscure, but I try to make sure that it carries
the message without assuming that the judges have seen the source
material.

The one recreation I did try (at CC9) was so obscure that I had to
provide the book cover - and I think I might have received something,
too, if I had had some sort of presentation. (I have the tape - I wince
every time I watch it!). I was recognized for the workmanship, which is
really what's important to me, but there's just no way you can guarantee
that the judges will know the source material.

-betsy

Alix Jordan wrote:

>
> Dear Lisa:
>
> >Sometimes I wish they would Read The Book!
>
> No matter how many people have read the book; seen the movie; bought the
> print, you are best off assuming that the judges don't read; have never seen
> a movie; and are blind. [snip]

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Dear Stephanie:

> > >If you are wearing a costume of a comic character, there is no way it
>will
> > work as a dramatic presentation.
> I don't agree with this statement. Reason being is that it all depends
>on
> what the comic book character is doing in the presentation. If you are
> recreating a dramatic scene from a comic book or anime then it could
>work.

This depends on the devination of "comic" character. I draw a
distinction between "comic" and "comic book". Reading "comic", my first
thoughts were "Periot", "Harlequin", "Giggio" (spelling?); clowns who did
pathos, in many cases. Buster Keaton, for that matter, Red Skelton, Emmet
Kelly. All men were clowns, comics; and all men were very good dramatic
actors. These are costume easily recognizable. they make us smile. But I
can remember Buster Keaton making me cry; Charlie Chaplin's "Little Clown",
in "The Gold Rush"; Freddie the Freeloader trying to provide orphans with a
little entertainment; and Emmet Kelly doing commercials for charity. All
did very good dramatic presentaions, while dressed in comic costumes.

So...is the reference to comic books, or to some of the great clowns?

( CC17, How to give the Evil Eye by Carol

>Salemi is one example.) at the end of the presentation she threw her 3rd
>eye
>to the judges which I thought was a really nice effect.

I've also heard of judges, who would go the other way; taking what would
have been their first choice and ditching the costume because they were
brought into it.

>they marked her down for it. While creating the costume and running
>throught the presentation it never passed our thoughts that we would be
>elevated from the judges.

Same goes for the top. People tend to forget to line the inside of some
headdress because the judges won't see it. Are you certain?

>I think this should be avoid doing an obscure scene.

Of course, this depends on what "obscure" means. Penny Lipman did
"Media", which a lot of people are familiar with; but apparently a lot of
judges were not. Another argument for spoonfeeding the judges. Tell them,
with examples, what you are doing; even if you are doing something like
Classic Trek. Linda Bowland and her husband did "Empress of the Klingon
Empire: Part Two"; from the days when potato chips, not Klingons, had
ridges..." They got a best in show, but confussed the hell out of a lot of
the audience, who couldn't understand why Klingons did not have ridged
forheads.

>Music in my opinion can either make or break a presentation Yet, you have
>to
>also think of, if you are new to costuming then how are you going to know
>that a piece of music has been played to death? I remember that my very
>first presentation I used the Peter Gunn theme. I used that because the
>beat worked and it was something that the audience would recognize.
>Popular music can work and get the audience going and that can help to
>raise
>the excitement of a presentation.

Jacqui Ward did an entire presentaion based on a song. Anyone remember
her "Octopus' Garden"? She had the whole audience singing along with her.
When I entered historical interpretation, at CC5, I used a folk song:
"the Garden", by "Tommy Makem". I won. I also spent quite some time
telling people what music I'd used. Everyone liked it, but couldn't place
it. The music for my "Faery Godmother" is the lalluby from "Peter Pan". I
got a best in show with that one. On the other hand, a know someone who did
a very good costume, of a "Belter". His music was very good; and he walked
to it as if he were in zero gravity. He did quite well with it. Then he up
graded to a gold lame suit; and chucked the music. He didn't win because
without the music he just clumped across the floor.

Also another idea is that if you do wish

>to use a popular piece of music try researching to see if another musician
>has covered that piece so that it sounds different. It may work better in
>the presentation. Did you know that there are around 70
>versions of "Can't Help Falling in Love with You" Startling!

Just for fun, try finding out how many recordings there are of "White
Christmas". Another thing to remember is that one song (melody) can have
different names. "It is you" was very popular, under it's English name, and
the Spanish name that I am not going to even try to spell. However, you can
get the same tune as "Catch the Wind". Elizabethan Serenade has two names,
depending on whether, or not, the version has lyrics.

Peace
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Dear Lisa:

>
>Well, it didn't help. And this was a Darkover con, and no one seemed to
>know what story I was talking about in one of the Darkover books. I even
>used that paragraph as my intro by the MC....so there you have it.

"Well, it's all right, now.
I've learned my lesson well.
If you can't please everyone,
then you might as well please yourself"

"Garden Party", Ricky Nelson

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Dear Pierre and Sandy:

>to stop working. It was fixed by Monday night. We'd appreciate getting a
>copy, if possible.
>

Don't know if this helps, but I think that it's going to be on Global
soon. We saw a "sort of ad" for it, while trying to watch a movie, last
night. That's all the information that I can give, since we don't have
cable and getting Global in, at all, is a chance sort of thing; and it's got
so much snow, it's sometime impossible to see the screen. However, you
could scout around and see if other stations are showing it.
While we're at it, I sent you the address for the Stratford Festival
Bookstore, where you can order "Dracula: The Musical". Did the posting
arrive?

Peace
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Dear Marion:

>Have any of you been asked to judge a masquerade?
>and what do you look for (or want the judges to look for) when judging?

Something to mention. The rule about "Thou shalt have shoes to match
thy costume." It was Terry Pratchett who first explained, to me, why they
have this rule. Apparently, depending on where the judges are sitting, the
shoes are often right in front of the judges' eyes; something that doesn't
occur to people, too often.

>Just how complex do these entry forms get?
>Is this because they ask more specific questions?

My major complaints with forms are usually that they don't give you
enough space to write anything; not even my address. I was always putting
"see attached", in all the spaces; so I started making my own multi-part
forms. It's was easier; and usually works better.

Peace
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> My major complaints with forms are usually that they don't give you
>enough space to write anything; not even my address. I was always putting
>"see attached", in all the spaces; so I started making my own multi-part
>forms. It's was easier; and usually works better.
>

Perhaps the ICG could look into creating a "standardized entry form." If it was good and enough of us started using it at cons, it could spread. I just had to make up entry forms for when I MD'd MileHi in October. I just tried to come up with the information I thought I would need. I started with one form, then decided that I should have a form for the MC to use, so I expanded MC info block on the first form to it's own form. Then I decided that I needed a form for Tech, so the Tech block on first form became it's own form. I ended up with a Master Control form for my records, a form for all info that the MC would need, and a form with all the info for Tech. All fields on the Control from were then matched to fields in an Access Database, so I can track all entrants in the future. I even managed to get all the forms back from the MC and Tech. The only drawback is that most people only filled out the first form and skipped MC and Tech.

Bruno

PS I've often wished there was a standardized job application, so you could just fill out one while job hunting and make a bunch of copies. It would save so much time.

Yes, you certainly may quote me. I've been a judge at regional sf
on, worldcon, and costume-con masquerades. I've been a
judges' clerk. I co-directed a CC sf&f masquerade, too.

Some judges, and Masquerade Directors, prefer to limit the
number of awards or keep them to a set proportion of the entries.
On the other hand, I prefer to take the attitude that the
masquerade is not a competition among the entrants but a
competition of each entrant against a standard. Therefore, I
prefer to give an award to everyone who deserves one, and to not
give an award to anyone who does not deserve one. In
considering entries for awards, I look at both the costume and the
presentation, with the expected level differing by division. I expect
a lot more from masters than from journeymen, and I expect more
from journeymen than from novices.

Entry forms are not particularly important during the masquerade.
The information the contain becomes more important afterwards,
when the judges deliberate. That's when the judges can
recognize, for example, that a killer costume was presented by a
novice.

On the whole, entry forms are for the use of the Masquerade
director more than the judges. They include such info as
dominant color, category (sf, fantasy, etc.), theme (humor, etc.),
and division, because the MD needs to know such things to
organize the running order. Generally, one tries not to put large
groups back-to-back, to alternate humorous and serious entries,
and to mix both colors and skill levels.

In my experience, masquerade directors frequently tend not to
provide much guidance on documentation for re-creation
ostumes. On the other hand, we've seen a problem with holding
down the amount of documentation presented for entries in the
historical masquerades at Costume-Con. There have been
attempts to limit the page length, for example.

Byron

>>> Lorloth@aol.com 12/01/00 06:48PM >>>

May I quote any of you?

Have any of you been asked to judge a masquerade?
and what do you look for (or want the judges to look for) when judging?

Just how complex do these entry forms get?
Is this because they ask more specific questions?
Do the cons issue guidelines as to what documentation should be provided?

Please give me some examples, and how helpful you find that cons approach.

Many thanks,

Marion B

I was one of the judges. We were warned in advance. In fact,
Carol aimed at me (she missed).

Byron

>>> eddana@hotmail.com 12/07/00 04:10PM >>>

( CC17, How to give the Evil Eye by Carol

>Salemi is one example.) at the end of the presentation she threw her 3rd
>eye
>to the judges which I thought was a really nice effect.

I've also heard of judges, who would go the other way; taking what would
have been their first choice and ditching the costume because they were
brought into it.


Peace
Alixandra

Sometimes this works even better when you have a good GoH judge. C.J.
Cherryh, who was guest of honor at Bucconeer, was one of the Masquerade
judges. There was an entry that was an excellent Pyanfar Chanur. We
wanted to give it an award, but couldn't think what to call it. Finally,
we asked C.J. if the entrant had captured the essence of the character, and
she said yes, so it got a special GoH award.

Sandy

>Alternatively (if you don't want to worry about the "forced" GoH working
>with the other judges) have a "Guest of Honor Choice" award. It simplifies
>matters a lot. Art Shows typically do this.
>
>Sharon

Dear Byron:

>Entry forms are not particularly important during the masquerade.
>The information the contain becomes more important afterwards,
>when the judges deliberate. That's when the judges can
>recognize, for example, that a killer costume was presented by a
>novice.

My first CostumeCon, I won a workmanship award, for sequin work. The
trouble was that the lines were so small, that I had trouble trying to print
in an inch and a half space; as a result, the award was announced as going
to my friend, Linda Bowland, who had drawn the designs that I worked from.
What really started me making up my own forms was the one that required
people to check off a little square; but the thing was set up in such a way
that people had trouble deciding if you were supposed to tick off the square
before, or after, the level. In addition, the M.C. (working with poor
lighting, and a lot of pressure) was announcing people as competing in
levels either higher, or lower, than they had intended. Several people, at
one convention, lost awards because they were being judged against master,
when they were journeymen. I heard so many: "...if they had been
completing in journeyman...", from judges after the masquerade.
That's when I started making multiple page forms, with instructions to
high light, or circle, the level.

Peace
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The designer of that form subsequently moved to Florida to design election ballots?

Byron

>>> eddana@hotmail.com 12/08/00 09:34PM >>>

What really started me making up my own forms was the one that required
people to check off a little square; but the thing was set up in such a way
that people had trouble deciding if you were supposed to tick off the square
before, or after, the level.

Peace
Alixandra

> , in MZ Bradley's own
> written words, but I kept it short. With the "Isis" there was no intro,

The only book character I ever did that received an award was Queen Iris of
Xanth. It was a big purple southern belle type dress with hoop slip, sequins
and 6 huge Iris petals made of netting and sprinkled with glitter.
Presentation was that Queen Iris was an Illusionist (I think) and that I was
having a great deal of fun watching everyone dodge the imaginary cars this
weekend. Neither the design nor the presentation had anything to do with the
book. But the dress was big & glitzy and the audience laughed, because
everyone was J-walking across a VERY busy street between the Convention
center & the hotel, thus having many close encounters with the cars.

I won "Most Beautiful" and met my best beloved Jeff, who won "Best Hunk". I
pinched his Hunky butt after the masquerade and the rest is history ;-)

Hugs,
Susan

Dear Byron:

>The designer of that form subsequently moved to Florida to design election
>ballots?
>

So that explains it!

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Page Fuller got ahold of me today to fill me in and I wanted to pass the
info along.

Peggy has been moved to an Adult Foster Care home where she will receive
better, more personal care. Her new address is:

Peggy Kennedy
9258 SE Salmon
Portland, OR 97216

I don't know her private phone number yet but the caregivers, the O'Briens,
can be reached at 503-254-9381 and can apparently take the phone in to her.
They've opened their own home to hospice patients and are apparently quite
intelligent, experienced, caring people. Page spent time talking in person
with them and feels good about this move for Peggy.

Peggy says "Thank you" for the goodies people have sent. It made the
hospital food ... tolerable but since one of the O'Briens is a gourmet cook,
it is no longer necessary. Thank you again. It's nice to know people care.

Vincent, Tasha and I are going over there in a few minutes to visit with her
and give her a photo-tour book of the Chinese Garden here in town. It was
finished after she took sick this spring and she never got to see it.

Cards, letters, and email are good for her but send them soon and often.
They make her feel good in what time she has left. We really don't know how
long that may be...

Take care everyone,
Brenna

This last weekend, the Australian Costumers' Guild ran Camp Costume,
two-and-a-bit days of costume workshops, discussions and setting fire to
things.

The summer camp experience is not as familiar to Australians as it is to
North Americans but, still, there are a few cabin style camp sites with all
those things costumers find useful such as monkeybars, a football area, a
basketball ring set on a grassy knoll, and car parking.

Camp Costume was at Healesville, an hour or so outside of Melbourne and
attracted local and interstate costumers. The notion was to act as one of
several lead-ups to Costume-Con 20 in 2002, and provided a number of useful
workshops on areas ranging from shoe-making, felt sizing, armour,
snood-making, bug-swatting (not an official part of the program), figure
drawing, drafting, and a lot more.

Somewhere or other, there was a sign saying "No food or drink in the
meeting room" but, who was gonna pay attention to that in 90 and 100 degree
heat? Besides, cold beer and workshops go together like whiteboard and
marker.

The camp was only a minute or so from one of Melbourne's zoos but no one
was tempted to wander off and look at that. I did get to see some fauna
wandering around the camp: some big white thing with a curved beak I am
assured was an ibis (city kid here, how am I supposed to know?), and I
discovered the camp manager's red setter in the kitchen on Saturday
afternoon - more correctly, I discovered the red setter in the rubbish bin
in the kitchen. Saturday night, I saw some big thing with fur and eyes.

Friday night was the toilet paper and tape costume competition, and
Saturday night was the $34.95 costume parade followed by a barbeque and
another visit by the red setter.

During the weekend, I discovered something that was either a miniaturised
Stonehenge made of cut logs or a circle of cut-log stools surrounding a
bonfire pit - we used it as the latter although one entry in the costume
parade attended still wearing his white robe.

Camp Costume ended on Sunday afternoon with plenty of food left over to be
shared around the attendees and some discussion as to whether "that ditch
down there" really was a creek. Mostly, though, the event provided some
great costuming hints and discoveries.

-C.

In a message dated 12/8/00 4:09:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
boomboom@shore.net writes:

> I have heard the complaints of registration and tech forms that are used at
> cons.
> At two east coast cons, Arisia and Lunacon (ok the two that I am aware of,
> their may be other east coasters that do this.) the registration and tech
> form are the same that have been used Costume Con. In my opinion, both

forms

> is very easy to read, fill out and comprehend.

The forms I have used most recently are loosely based on older samples from
ICG events, though I have simplified them for my smaller venue. For example,
there are fewer skill classes and no lighting cues (we have one lighting
option - On!).

For Coppercon next fall I'm thinking about creating a multi-part form with
different parts to go to the judges, the techies, and for the MD's permanent
files. The trick will be to design this so the contestant doesn't have to
endlessly repeat the same information.

Last year I didn't think it out well enough. I had copies for the judges, but
not for my records. The judges asked me to destroy their notes, so I was left
with nothing to go in the files. I solved that by cutting off the notes,
which were at the bottom of the page.

Randall

Julie -

Depending on who you wrote to, Joe Siclari and family have been preoccupied
with moving to NY for at least the past 6 months and that may be why you
(and others who have sent email) have gotten no response to your
corrections.

Now that I have seen some of the site, I will be sending them some info
also. On the other hand - they _are_ doing this in their spare time...

And on the third hand, I am sure they want to hear from people - and to get
more photos! - even if they can't absorb everything instantly...

- Suford

> From: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Date: 30 Nov 2000 19:10:40 -0000
> To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Subject: [ICG-D] Digest Number 61
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:13:03 EST
> From: Nebula5@aol.com
> Subject: FANAC Worldcon Photos
>
> I love this site: http://www.fanac.org/worldcon/
>
> They're collecting information, photos, and artifacts from past worldcons,
> and posting them for all to see. I've provided a few photos myself, and
> added some captions or corrections.
>
> Here's the problem: Over the last year or so, I've written (very nicely)
> several times to inform them that nearly all the masquerade photos shown as
> "1983 ConStellation" are from "1993 ConFrancisco." Maybe if some of the
> folks who are actually shown in these photos could specifically inform them
> of the problem, they might take action.
>
> Just bugs me...
>
> --Julie Z.

Much of this reads like it was from the various versions of Rotsler's Rules
or from Masquerde, the Magazine of Science Fiction Costuming by Mike
Resnick. You should credit your sources... Or if you really are just
winging it, you should become aware of the long history of exactly this kind
of advice in the field.

You also seem to forget that at a Worldcon, at least, most of the audience
_has_ read the books! So you really can do your favorite character! That
is the whole point of the Worldcon Masq - people _will_ know who you are,
you are not playing to the "man in the street" who would only recognize the
most popular media.

Worldcons are also special in that the audience always loves all the
costumes. Some more than others, perhaps, but every single costume that
"goes on" and then walks through the photo area or stands outside the
presentation area afterwards is bound to draw admirers. I've never seen any
heckling or rude audiece behavior; even the most amateurish, renfairish,
"character from an unpublished novel of the costumer" has gotten a decent
reception and the audience has suspended its disbelief (sometimes against
heavy odds, too) and entered into the world of the presentation.

It isn't just the costumes that make a Worldcon Masquerade special, it is
the audience, too. You will never have a better audience - you may have a
more costuming-sophisticated audience at CostumeCon - but you will never get
the thrill of hundreds of people _with_ you in your world.

When Janice Wilson Anderson did the Wedding of Kinball Kinnison and Clarissa
MacDougal the audience knew who the characters were - even the audience
members who had not read any of the Lensmen books - because those characters
are legendary in the field. Legends are good material.

- Suford

P.S. have we passed the need for "No Peanut Butter", I hope?

> From: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Date: 3 Dec 2000 12:25:13 -0000
> To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Subject: [ICG-D] Digest Number 65
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:09:45 -0500
> From: Jeff & Susan Stringer <Stringer@cdc.net>
> Subject: Re: Worst Masquerade / Judges
>
>> May I quote any of you?
>
> Yes, it seems that everyone quotes me with or with out permission, mostly out
> of
> context. *Winks to folks who know*
>
> I'd like to quote the views of others onto my Charlotte 2004 Masquerade page
> as
> "Helpful hints to Newbies - How to Win a Masquerade."
>

Many thanks for the update, Brenna. Barbara (Barbara Raisbeck, Peggy's
sister) told me she would let me know the new address when Peggy was moved,
but she has not gotten it to me yet, so I am glad to know before I send my
next card. I'm glad to hear she is moved so soon. I know they also planned
a distinct change in her medication which should leave her more awake.

I'm also glad to hear that so many people are visiting her. When she and
Pat retired "so far from home" we all missed them and worried about them
finding new friends, but with fandom, one always has friends everywhere. I
am so glad to hear that is as true as I hoped.

Thanks again,

- Suford

> From: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Date: 11 Dec 2000 12:54:47 -0000
> To: ICG-D@egroups.com
> Subject: [ICG-D] Digest Number 73
>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:22:09 -0800
> From: "Mark A. and Brenna Sharp" <raven@xprt.net>
> Subject: Update on Peggy Kennedy
>
> Page Fuller got ahold of me today to fill me in and I wanted to pass the
> info along.
>
> Peggy has been moved to an Adult Foster Care home where she will receive
> better, more personal care. Her new address is:
>
> Peggy Kennedy
> 9258 SE Salmon
> Portland, OR 97216
>
> I don't know her private phone number yet but the caregivers, the O'Briens,
> can be reached at 503-254-9381 and can apparently take the phone in to her.
> They've opened their own home to hospice patients and are apparently quite
> intelligent, experienced, caring people. Page spent time talking in person
> with them and feels good about this move for Peggy.
>
> Peggy says "Thank you" for the goodies people have sent. It made the
> hospital food ... tolerable but since one of the O'Briens is a gourmet cook,
> it is no longer necessary. Thank you again. It's nice to know people care.
>
> Vincent, Tasha and I are going over there in a few minutes to visit with her
> and give her a photo-tour book of the Chinese Garden here in town. It was
> finished after she took sick this spring and she never got to see it.
>
> Cards, letters, and email are good for her but send them soon and often.
> They make her feel good in what time she has left. We really don't know how
> long that may be...
>
> Take care everyone,
> Brenna
>
>

>
>This last weekend, the Australian Costumers' Guild ran Camp Costume,
>two-and-a-bit days of costume workshops, discussions and setting fire to
>things.
>

Chris,

Could you please give us a bit more about Camp Costume for the CQ? That's
exactly the kind of "news" we like to share. I especially love your great
descriptions of the native fauna. I think I saw something just like that
once! (I may have been drinking at the time, tho.)

Elaine
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Dear Suford:

>When Janice Wilson Anderson did the Wedding of Kinball Kinnison and
>Clarissa
>MacDougal the audience knew who the characters were - even the audience
>members who had not read any of the Lensmen books - because those
>characters
>are legendary in the field. Legends are good material.
>

Odd. I spoke with several people, who were in the audience; and most of
them didn't get the reference at all; a few did, but only towards the end.

Peace
Alixandra
eddana@hotmail.com
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Dear Elaine:

> I think I saw something just like that
>once! (I may have been drinking at the time, tho.)
>

I saw something large and trying to run me over; and I hadn't been
drinking. (Don't drink at all, at all, at all.) It was a Crowned Crane, at
the zoo, in London, England. The guide books did not mention that the
things run loose; and that they have the right of way. It must have been
almost six feet tall; or larger; and talk about looking down you nose! It
could have given lessons to royalty. hehehehehehe

Peace
Alixandra
eddana@hotmail.com
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Hello Folks:

I finally found you again. For some reason, JohnO's original message went into
the ether and didn't get to my e-box until recently.

In regards to costuming, for this Halloween past, I made further progress on my
Dragon kimono. I might actually get it done by the end of 2001. ;-)

I hope this message finds everyone well, and I look forward to seeing your
messages again.

Until later--

Carole

Peggy Kennedy passed away at about 10:30 Pacific time this morning. She had
been in a light coma since late Sunday evening, breathing easily but
unresponsive. In essence, she simply never woke up.

Funeral/wake details are unknown at this time but will be forwarded to all
as I get them. Page Fuller is handling that. Out-of-area friends may want
to start making plans now, though, for time off from work, checking airline
rates, pet-sitting, etc. if any want to be here for ceremonies.

More info later.

In sadness,
Brenna

Dear Eileen--

You may have told us previously, but what are the best airlines to try
for Calgary? I'm coming from Baltimore.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A.
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Alix,
"Eres Tu" is the title you wanted to spell, I think. Being something of a
music nut, particularly latin, I had to comment; do you know how many
versions of "the Macarena" there are? Keep in mind that latin groups tend to
cover every hot song in their genre (I've seen around a dozen versions of
"La Vida Loca"), but last time I counted I have at least three dozen
versions of "the Macarena"; from the original to some Christmas versions,
very scary.
I liked your observations about music, I agree very much.

Nora

Bruce and Nora Mai
Costuming and Cats -- It must be Casa Mai!
http://members.xoom.com/CasaMai/casamai/splashx.html

Hopefully back online sometime on Wed 12/20

I've updated the Website with Peggy's passing.

JohnO

Dear Nora:

There used to be a CBC Radio announcer named Max Ferguson (he's still
alive, but I don't think that he's broadcasting any more.) One the things
that he used to delight in doing was playing the classics, then the popular
songs that were "stolen" from them. He kept this up, until the day that he
played a popular European tune, then the classical; only to get a telephone
call from the Israeli embassy. Seems that the pop tune, and the classic
were both variations of an old folk song; which is also the source for the
Israeli national anthemn. He stopped being so snobbish, after that.
It's like the Sulkand version of The Three Musketeers (the one with
Oliver Reed and Michael York). I kept saying that the music was classical;
I had heard it before. I kept being told that it wasn't; it had been
composed for the picture. Later I found out that they had used variations
on period French folk music, for the movie; the same French folk music that
was used for "Water Music"; not the same, but not different.

For different versions, I believe that there is an album called: "The
Best of Louis Louis", featuring 20 different arrangments of "Louis Louis".
Now that's scarey.

I guess that my interest in these things comes from a liking for folk
music, and just plan curiosity. Take the filk, "Marcon Ballroom", (...in
these air conditioned breezes, here I sit while my ass freezes...),
according to the credits, the tune is (go ahead and for get the name of the
tune, but it starts: "....I don't need no Red Book now, long as I got my
Chairman Mao sitting on the dashboard of my ....whatever the name of the car
was). The tune to this one is "Plastic Jesus" (...I don't care if it rains
or freezes, long as I got my plastic Jesus...). That's fine, and good; but
where did the tune come from? Check out "Cool Hand Luke". (...the road is
dark, but it ain't scarey, cause I got the Virgin Mary...)
As a child, I learnt the old depression song: "Hallelujah, I'm a bum;
Hallelujah, bum again; Hallelujah, give us a hand out, to revive us again.
I never did understand the "revive us again" part. Forty years later, I'm
going through a book of spirituals: "Hallelujah, Thine the glory;
Hallelujah, amen; Halleujah, Thine the glory; revive us again."
I won't keep going. I could trace folk songs for hours; but it is fun.

Peace
Alixandra
eddana@hotmail.com

>From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@primary.net>
>Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>To: <ICG-D@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [ICG-D] music and other things
>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:28:16 -0600
>
>Alix,
>"Eres Tu" is the title you wanted to spell, I think. Being something of a
>music nut, particularly latin, I had to comment; do you know how many
>versions of "the Macarena" there are? Keep in mind that latin groups tend
>to
>cover every hot song in their genre (I've seen around a dozen versions of
>"La Vida Loca"), but last time I counted I have at least three dozen
>versions of "the Macarena"; from the original to some Christmas versions,
>very scary.
>I liked your observations about music, I agree very much.
>
>Nora
>
>Bruce and Nora Mai
>Costuming and Cats -- It must be Casa Mai!
>http://members.xoom.com/CasaMai/casamai/splashx.html
>
>
>

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For those who have not heard already, here is Tina's message
about the arrangements for a memorial service for Peggy
Kennedy.

Byron

>>> "Christine Connell" <CV.Connell@worldnet.att.net> 12/14/00

01:00AM >>>

Hello, all:

I have just spoken to Page Fuller in Portland, who has the latest
info @ present on Peggy's funeral/memorial service (if you did not
receive the original announcement, Peggy Kennedy died on
Wednesday morning, 12/13, at approx. 10:30 PST, 3 days shortof her 71st birthday). As I understand it, Peggy will be cremated
(date unknown) and there will be a memorial service for her on
Saturday,1/6/01 (which, parenthetically, is also 12th Night and
Sherlock Holmes' birthday). Location not as yet known. Page
says it is o.k. to call or e-mail her for updates: 503-254-0552 or
page@prodigy.net. We (Byron & Tina Connell) have already
made our arrangements to attend the service. You may receive
duplicate copies of this message through ICG lists or other
sources. I am sending this to people who I regard as interested
parties who I have in my personal address book, but Byron will
also be sending this on to lots of other people as well as those of
you who I have addressed; I encourage you to let as many
"friends of Peggy" know as possible. We have suffered a great
loss. Peggy was one of the "greats."

Tina

>
>You may have told us previously, but what are the best airlines to try
>for Calgary? I'm coming from Baltimore.
>

Lisa,

As we were trying to find out that same thing, the conclusion we came to was
that you can get ANYWHERE from Las Vegas at reasonable rates. You can go to
LV, then from there to Calgary, at the best rates we could find! That's
also how I'm getting to Albuquerque - thru LV! Try Expedia.com.

E
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I know this is offtopic, but Elaine, have you tried Southwest?

I know I can get to Albuquerque for something reasonably small if I buy
the tix during one of their internet sales - I'm on their mailing list.

Admittedly, that's flying in from BWI, but...

If you're interested in subscribing, let me know and I'll send you the
info. (No, I'm not a paid spokesperson, but after the travelling I did
last year to Texas, I decided Southwest was by far and away the most
pleasant of the experiences I had!)

Cheers,

Betsy

Elaine Mami wrote:

>
> As we were trying to find out that same thing, the conclusion we came to was
> that you can get ANYWHERE from Las Vegas at reasonable rates. You can go to
> LV, then from there to Calgary, at the best rates we could find! That's
> also how I'm getting to Albuquerque - thru LV! Try Expedia.com.
>
> E

--
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One more time! Class in California

The gum tape form will help with the fitting of any garment be it a
costume or just every day clothes. This method was first done in the
1930`s and is quicker and simpler than the dummies made using Duct
Tape.

They need no stuffing and will hold up for many years under normal
use. Their main advantage is that being very simple and cheap, if
you change size it is simple to make a new one. You will be taken
step by step through the process of applying and layering the tape and
be shown all the tips and tricks of using this method. When you are
done you will have a completed dummy ready to take home and use.

The class will be held on January 13th from 10 AM to 4 PM. Class
fees are $20 for Pre-registration and Guild Members or $25 the day of
the class (if space is available). You will need to bring a close
fitting T-shirt, which covers down to the hip, and can be cut up.
Scissors suitable for cutting paper and if you have it a hair dryer
with a cool setting (optional). You should dress in a close fitting
outfit (swimsuit or leotard) and wearing your normal support garments
(bra, girdle). The gum tape will be provided. The workshop will be
held at The Grange Hall at 2720 Kilgore Street, Rancho Cordova, CA
95670-6104.
The Grange Hall will also have a snack stand running during the
class so please do help contribute to their fundraising.

Seeing that it will take two people to do each dummy, it is
recommended that you take this class with a friend. But if you don't
have a partner we will team you up with someone else in the class.
(Both people must pay the class fee.) If you have any questions
please call Stephen at 492-2731.

For Pre-registration check must be received by January 10th.
Please mail a check to:
GSACG * Post Office Box 805 * Sacramento CA 95812-0805

Hi, folks!

I just posted this message to the email notification list, so you may
get this message twice - sorry about that!

I wanted to let those of you who care know that the bid information for
Costume-Con 22 has been posted on the Costume-ConNections web site.

We received bids from Atlanta, Georgia and Salt Lake City, Utah.

Don't forget - if you wish to vote on the site for 2004, you must be at
least a Supporting member of Costume-Con 19 (this May)!

Seeya,

Betsy

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Hi, folks:

This announcement comes with an additional piece of bad news. First,
please visit the What's New pages - we've posted an announcement
concerning the death of Peggy Kennedy (yesterday). This announcement
should come as no surprise, but just the same, we regret having to make
it.

On the Conference front, we received two certified bids for Costume-Con
22, to be held in 2004. These bids are for Salt Lake City, Utah and
Atlanta, Georgia. Visit the Costume-Con Time-Line for more information
about the two bids!

We will be posting the photos from Costume-Con 18 sometime in the next
several weeks - Watch this space for announcements as they happen!

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>I know this is offtopic, but Elaine, have you tried Southwest?
>

Southwest is definately the way to go, if they fly near you or near where you're going. When I went to CC17, it was only $200 roundtrip. I then spent the money that I would have spent to fly directly into Philly and shuttle fare, to get a car. I had freedom of mobility and was able to leave the hotel since the restaurant was closed all weekend. It worked out quite well.

I have friends flying from Baltimore to TX for Xmas for $200 r/t.

However, SW planes are small, cramped and you don't get anything to eat except peanuts and soda, no matter how long you're on the plane.

Unfortunately, SW flies just about everywhere except to Colorado. I'd have to drive 6 hrs to Alburquerque to fly SW.

Bruno

Lisa --

Flights to Calgary from anywhere in the States are international
flights. That means they can be a lot more expensive than
domestic flights in either the U.S. or Canada. It may pay to fly to a
U.S. destination near the border, take a lower cost form of
transportation across the border, and take a domestic Canadian
flight to Calgary. We're in Albany. At this point, we plan to drive to
Montreal and fly from there. The price is half that of flying from
Albany to Calgary through a mid-west U.S. hub.

Byron

>>> lisa58@juno.com 12/13/00 05:53PM >>>

Dear Eileen--

You may have told us previously, but what are the best airlines to try
for Calgary? I'm coming from Baltimore.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A.

A few weeks ago, I was casually checking on the possiblity of flights for Xmas. At that time, I could have gotten a flight from Denver to Calgary for $200 over Xmas. But flights to TX were $450+++. I checked ahead for flights to Calgary next may and at that time were $450+++.

I've considered driving, but 20 hrs is a really long drive, and an extra 4 days travel time :-(

Bruno

>Flights to Calgary from anywhere in the States are international
>flights. That means they can be a lot more expensive than
>domestic flights in either the U.S. or Canada. It may pay to fly to a
>U.S. destination near the border, take a lower cost form of
>transportation across the border, and take a domestic Canadian
>flight to Calgary. We're in Albany. At this point, we plan to drive to
>Montreal and fly from there. The price is half that of flying from
>Albany to Calgary through a mid-west U.S. hub.
>
>Byron

>However, SW planes are small, cramped and you don't get anything to eat

except peanuts and soda, no matter how long >you're on the plane.
But there is nothing stopping you from bringing your own food with you on to
the plane. I have traveled with Southwest on numerous occasions and have
packed a snack, bottle of water (i drink a lot of water while flying.) and
if it is a long flight I will get a sandwich to eat during the flight. They
encourage you to do this.. By cutting down on stuff like food, they are able
to offer extremely well priced fairs. I flew to Bucconeer for $39.00 each
way.

My future uncle-in law is a CEO and swears by Southwest as not only an
expensive way to say money, they are very courteous and will do their best
to make you as comfortable as possible.

Personally I have had nothing but great experiences on Southwest. I did not
find their plane that small or cramped either. One time our flight was
delayed and we were stuck on the the tarmack for a long time (over an hour.)
The flight attendents did their best to keep people entertained, one told
jokes, he was really funny. The other did karoke with the intercom, any
passenger that got up and sang a song (any song) would receive a free
alcoholic beverage once the flight took off. It was a riot. They had the
whole plane in a good mood and not cranky whenwe finally took off. No we
were not all drunk either from the free drinks. It was just a god time made
out of a lousy situation...

Stephanie

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Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: CC19 Hotel Cutoff Dates


> >I know this is offtopic, but Elaine, have you tried Southwest?
> >
>
> Southwest is definately the way to go, if they fly near you or near where
you're going. When I went to CC17, it was only $200 roundtrip. I then
spent the money that I would have spent to fly directly into Philly and
shuttle fare, to get a car. I had freedom of mobility and was able to
leave the hotel since the restaurant was closed all weekend. It worked out
quite well.
>
> I have friends flying from Baltimore to TX for Xmas for $200 r/t.
>
> However, SW planes are small, cramped and you don't get anything to eat
except peanuts and soda, no matter how long you're on the plane.
>
> Unfortunately, SW flies just about everywhere except to Colorado. I'd
have to drive 6 hrs to Alburquerque to fly SW.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ICG-D-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>

Some people have talked about flying to Seattle and taking the
ferry to Vancouver, then going on from there to Calgary.

Byron

>>> plastic@mail.codenet.net 12/14/00 04:06PM >>>

I've considered driving, but 20 hrs is a really long drive, and an extra 4 days travel time :-(

Bruno

>Flights to Calgary from anywhere in the States are international
>flights. That means they can be a lot more expensive than
>domestic flights in either the U.S. or Canada. It may pay to fly to a
>U.S. destination near the border, take a lower cost form of
>transportation across the border, and take a domestic Canadian
>flight to Calgary. We're in Albany. At this point, we plan to drive to
>Montreal and fly from there. The price is half that of flying from
>Albany to Calgary through a mid-west U.S. hub.
>
>Byron

Peggy's wake will be on 6 Jan 2001. That's the first Saturday of the new
year. The reason for the delay is to allow everyone time to make what
arrangements they need to. For those who wish to know, Peggy, like Pat,
had opted for cremation.

Page Fuller, after setting the date in conjunction with Peggy's family, then
turned the wake-hosting (including RSVP) over to me (w/Annika Johnson
assisting) so she can concentrate on final arrangements, closing accounts,
etc. Page says, and I agree, there are two possible scenarios for the wake:
Marc and Patty Wells Had already offered their home for the site.

a) People gather at the Wells' house starting about 1pm with a memorial
"ceremony" (at the house) at about 5 or 6pm

or

b) A graveside memorial in the afternoon with the wake following at the
Wells'.

A possible adjunct to either of these is finding a larger place for the
wake. While the Wells' have a fairly large house, it does have a "capacity
limit".

The deciding factors will be if people want a graveside memorial (bear in
mind the possible weather) and how many will be coming. Please check your
calendars and whatever else and get back to us as soon as you can so things
can be done as smoothly as possible.

Obviously, we won't be making anyone's travel plans but if you need hotel
info or anything, let us know.

There may be some cross-over in this posting. Please excuse it. I'm trying
to get the word out to as many as possible. If you scan the expanded To:
field and see that a particular someone is missing, please forward this to
them and send me their email address to put them in the loop.

Hope to hear from you soon,
Brenna Sharp
503-283-8181

I'll try Southwest and a few others and just make some comparisons. II
don't mind making a connecting flight if the price is right. And I'll
make sure to pack myself a lunch. It'll be a long flight either way--2/3
of the way across the continent.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A.
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Beware the dudes in the red cowboy hats, they will accost you as you leave
the plane.

Oh, and don't tell anyone you are president of something.

-C.

In a message dated 12/14/00 2:15:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
boomboom@shore.net writes:

> there is nothing stopping you from bringing your own food with you on to
> the plane. I have traveled with Southwest on numerous occasions and have
> packed a snack, bottle of water (i drink a lot of water while flying.) and
> if it is a long flight I will get a sandwich to eat during the flight.

My usual strategy with bargain airlines is to wear my photographer vest with
the pockets stuffed with sandwiches, jerky, nuts, and other trail food.

I use other pockets on the vest for my swiss army knife, walkman, asthma
inhaler and other metal items. The vest goes through x-ray and I can walk
through the metal detector without pinging.

The last time I flew SW, the head flight attendant had set the seat belt and
emergency exits briefing to music. It was a hoot.

Randall

Oh?

Byron

>>> stilskin@netspace.net.au 12/15/00 07:36AM >>>

Beware the dudes in the red cowboy hats, they will accost you as you leave
the plane.

Oh, and don't tell anyone you are president of something.

-C.