I don’t use a yahoo e-mail address and have not had any problems accessing our group(s). Of course, I’ve been doing so since the 1990s, so I may be embedded in their system.

Byron

sOn Dec 12, 2018, at 1:01 PM, celefinniel@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Its possible that Henry's problem is simply that he isn't using a yahoo email address.  Some while back they started making it difficult to impossible for people without those to actually "get in" to a yahoo group.  They can still do webpost replies to messaging.  Yahoo may simply have finally caught up with him.  If that is indeed the issue, then it will happen more and more as people move away from Yahoo mail.  

ICG Board may have to use a neutral 3rd party poll, like Doodle.com, in future and simply report all the numbers from it into the yahoo group (ex. 6 in favor, 2 opposed, 4 abstain) but I don't know if that is "legal".  Ask Pierre I guess.  

If that's no good, then a yahoo mail that forwards to the preferred mail client may be the only answer.  It means remembering to login with the yahoo, not preferred email, to get into the system for polls.

Kathe

 

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the ICG-BOD group:

Shall motion 2018-12-07 to approve the propsed 2019 budget be approved?

Created by: mp_cosplay

1. Yea
2. Nay
3. Abstain

Thanks!

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 12:57 PM Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 

I just verified I voted (it's been a while I had to check)

We can hope for a holiday miracle and more votes roll in, soon.

Merrily

GCFCG BOD Rep

On Monday, December 24, 2018, 12:37:17 PM EST, Jeanine Swick icg-treasurer@costume.org [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

At this time there are only 11 votes cast for the new budget. Where are you? The new budget needs to be in place by Dec 31st!
Standing Rule 30:

Budget and Finance

A Budget and Finance function is established as follows:

1. The Treasurer shall present a written annual budget to the Board for consideration no later than November 1st of the preceding year. The Treasurer may set deadlines for input by officers and committees to ensure the timely delivery of the budget. The Board shall consider the Treasurer's proposed budget, make such changes as the Board finds desirable, and adopt it no later than the December 31st of the preceding year. The Treasurer shall ensure that an accurate copy of the approved budget is maintained on the ICG website for access by members of the organization.

I realize that there has been some issues for some to be able to cast their vote but only a couple have stated that fact. We have 20 chapters plus the BoD who should be voting on this. On top of this there are several chapters whose BoD rep's membership has expired.

Jeanine Swick
ICG Treasurer
icg-treasurer@costume.org

On 12/7/2018 1:57 PM, ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the ICG-BOD group:

Shall motion 2018-12-07 to approve the propsed 2019 budget be approved?

Created by: mp_cosplay

1. Yea
2. Nay
3. Abstain

Thanks!

 

I'm pretty sure I cast the CCG vote in favor, but if that does not show up, could someone work a Festivus Miracle and put in my vote "yes" for the 2019 budget?

Patrick O'Connor, CCG

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:13 PM Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree with Byron. We either need to outline requirements to be recognized or change the wording so we don't get applications.

Unfortunately, I don't have the experience to volunteer for this working group.

Merrily

On Wednesday, December 26, 2018, 6:58:52 PM EST, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Marianne --

This is the second inquiry I’ve seen in only a couple of months seeking ICG recognition of a masquerade as an international-level competition. Our only guidance is the 2010 statement on the web site, “Accrediting International Costume Competitions,” at http://costume.org/wp/standards-of-practice-for-costume-competitions-requesting-icg-recognition-as-international/. I do not believe it gives the ICG sufficient guidance to make determinations when groups actually ask us to consider them. I suggest you put together a small working group to develop the statement into either workable guidelines for recognition or something that will discourage applications.

For those who don’t know, the phrase, “international-level competition” came with the original version of the Guidelines in 2006. As I recall, we came up with the phrase to cover World Science Fiction Convention masquerades and Costume-Con Masquerades because the worldcons were international by definition and we wanted to promote costume-cons as being at the same level, and of course, because we were the International Costumers’ Guild. We added Anime North subsequently, in part because the con convinced us of the masquerade’s scope and quality and, once again, in part because we were International ourselves.

From my perspective, the first question an appicant should answer ought to be, “How many entrants in each of the last five masquerades came from a different country from the one in which it was held and what percentage did they constitute each year? Please break the numbers and percentages down by country of origin.”

In the meantime, someone needs to answer Ms. Zusi — preferably one of the officers, in my opinion.

Byron

 

My name is Lyndsey and I'm the Assistant Director of Programming (Cosplay Division) and Masquerade Coordinator for Anime Boston. I'm reaching out to you today to determine what steps our Masquerade would need to take in order for the ICG to recognize our masquerade as an "international level competition."

I've been discussing this with Vicky Assarattanakuland she mentioned that the first step is that someone would need to bring the matter to the Board of Directors. Is this something you would be willing to help me with? If you're interested, you can view our rules here. Anime Boston is run by NEAS, the New England Anime Society (a non-profit with a mission statement grounded in promoting and educating on Japanese culture). Anime Boston is the flagship event and adheres to this mission statement closely. We work closely with the Japanese consulate, have a sister-city program, and we routinely gather the most Japanese guests of any convention in the USA. For the last ten or so years, Anime Boston has cemented a place for itself amongst the cosplay community as one of the largest, most competitive, and fairest Masquerades in the USA. Our convention brings in about 25k people each year and we always have a full house (about 3k people) for the Masquerade. In my role as Masq Coordinator over the last four years, I've been trying to push our event and competitors to be better and better - and one of the ways I would love to do this for 2019 is to gain recognition with the ICG. So far as I can tell, we adhere to the standards you have listed on your website - we do have separate craftsmanship awards that are considered outside of performance, with the split being about 40/60 in regards to awards granted based on performance vs craftsmanship, respectively.

I will be happy to provide any documentation or additional information that the board should need.  

Thank you for your time and your consideration;

Lyndsey Zusi
Anime Boston 2019

Assistant Director of Programming, Cosplay Division

Masquerade Coordinator

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:55 AM Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

If they meet the guidelines yet don’t get official approval it would be more appropriate to have them say they “meet the ICG stated standards” since the ICG is not actually giving them any real seal of approval. To give them a seal of approval there would have to be some oversight to make sure they comply and stay in compliance. 

Merrily 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 12:39 PM, Marianne Pease marianne.esl@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I think it would actually be a good idea to offer some sort of seal of appproval or recognition for convention masquerades. I've been toying this idea while working on the guidelines this year- mostly by myself. In a nutshell:

1. Clearly define what local, regional, and international masquerades look like. Make a checklist for each. 

2. Offer ICG fair play guidelines for use in governing their masquerades.

3. Let an individual masquerade self-declare whether they're local/regional/international without us being official gate keepers. 

4. If a convention self-declares themselves as running under ICG guidelines, request that they donate a copy of their official photos and the masquerade results to our archives. 

5. Offer a "We use ICG Guidelines" seal that they can include on their website and advertising material as well as a "Included in the ICG Archives" seal that links to us. 

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:13 PM Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree with Byron. We either need to outline requirements to be recognized or change the wording so we don't get applications.

Unfortunately, I don't have the experience to volunteer for this working group.

Merrily

On Wednesday, December 26, 2018, 6:58:52 PM EST, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Marianne --

This is the second inquiry I’ve seen in only a couple of months seeking ICG recognition of a masquerade as an international-level competition. Our only guidance is the 2010 statement on the web site, “Accrediting International Costume Competitions,” at http://costume.org/wp/standards-of-practice-for-costume-competitions-requesting-icg-recognition-as-international/. I do not believe it gives the ICG sufficient guidance to make determinations when groups actually ask us to consider them. I suggest you put together a small working group to develop the statement into either workable guidelines for recognition or something that will discourage applications.

For those who don’t know, the phrase, “international-level competition” came with the original version of the Guidelines in 2006. As I recall, we came up with the phrase to cover World Science Fiction Convention masquerades and Costume-Con Masquerades because the worldcons were international by definition and we wanted to promote costume-cons as being at the same level, and of course, because we were the International Costumers’ Guild. We added Anime North subsequently, in part because the con convinced us of the masquerade’s scope and quality and, once again, in part because we were International ourselves.

From my perspective, the first question an appicant should answer ought to be, “How many entrants in each of the last five masquerades came from a different country from the one in which it was held and what percentage did they constitute each year? Please break the numbers and percentages down by country of origin.”

In the meantime, someone needs to answer Ms. Zusi — preferably one of the officers, in my opinion.

Byron

 

My name is Lyndsey and I'm the Assistant Director of Programming (Cosplay Division) and Masquerade Coordinator for Anime Boston. I'm reaching out to you today to determine what steps our Masquerade would need to take in order for the ICG to recognize our masquerade as an "international level competition."

I've been discussing this with Vicky Assarattanakuland she mentioned that the first step is that someone would need to bring the matter to the Board of Directors. Is this something you would be willing to help me with? If you're interested, you can view our rules here. Anime Boston is run by NEAS, the New England Anime Society (a non-profit with a mission statement grounded in promoting and educating on Japanese culture). Anime Boston is the flagship event and adheres to this mission statement closely. We work closely with the Japanese consulate, have a sister-city program, and we routinely gather the most Japanese guests of any convention in the USA. For the last ten or so years, Anime Boston has cemented a place for itself amongst the cosplay community as one of the largest, most competitive, and fairest Masquerades in the USA. Our convention brings in about 25k people each year and we always have a full house (about 3k people) for the Masquerade. In my role as Masq Coordinator over the last four years, I've been trying to push our event and competitors to be better and better - and one of the ways I would love to do this for 2019 is to gain recognition with the ICG. So far as I can tell, we adhere to the standards you have listed on your website - we do have separate craftsmanship awards that are considered outside of performance, with the split being about 40/60 in regards to awards granted based on performance vs craftsmanship, respectively.

I will be happy to provide any documentation or additional information that the board should need.  

Thank you for your time and your consideration;

Lyndsey Zusi
Anime Boston 2019

Assistant Director of Programming, Cosplay Division

Masquerade Coordinator

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 3:28 PM Kevin Roche <kevin@twistedimage.com> wrote:

> I was part of the group considering the Anime North application so long
> ago... I though we submitted a report on future procedures...
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:55 AM Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com
> [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> If they meet the guidelines yet don’t get official approval it would be
>> more appropriate to have them say they “meet the ICG stated standards”
>> since the ICG is not actually giving them any real seal of approval. To
>> give them a seal of approval there would have to be some oversight to make
>> sure they comply and stay in compliance.
>>
>> Merrily
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 12:39 PM, Marianne Pease
>> marianne.esl@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it would actually be a good idea to offer some sort of seal of
>> appproval or recognition for convention masquerades. I've been toying this
>> idea while working on the guidelines this year- mostly by myself. In a
>> nutshell:
>>
>> 1. Clearly define what local, regional, and international masquerades
>> look like. Make a checklist for each.
>> 2. Offer ICG fair play guidelines for use in governing their masquerades.
>> 3. Let an individual masquerade self-declare whether they're
>> local/regional/international without us being official gate keepers.
>> 4. If a convention self-declares themselves as running under ICG
>> guidelines, request that they donate a copy of their official photos and
>> the masquerade results to our archives.
>> 5. Offer a "We use ICG Guidelines" seal that they can include on their
>> website and advertising material as well as a "Included in the ICG
>> Archives" seal that links to us.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:13 PM Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com
>> [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Byron. We either need to outline requirements to be
>> recognized or change the wording so we don't get applications.
>> Unfortunately, I don't have the experience to volunteer for this working
>> group.
>> Merrily
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 26, 2018, 6:58:52 PM EST, Byron Connell
>> byronpconnell@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marianne --
>>
>> This is the second inquiry I’ve seen in only a couple of months seeking
>> ICG recognition of a masquerade as an international-level competition. Our
>> only guidance is the 2010 statement on the web site, “Accrediting
>> International Costume Competitions,” at
>> http://costume.org/wp/standards-of-practice-for-costume-competitions-requesting-icg-recognition-as-international/.
>> I do not believe it gives the ICG sufficient guidance to make
>> determinations when groups actually ask us to consider them. I suggest you
>> put together a small working group to develop the statement into either
>> workable guidelines for recognition or something that will discourage
>> applications.
>>
>> For those who don’t know, the phrase, “international-level competition”
>> came with the original version of the Guidelines in 2006. As I recall, we
>> came up with the phrase to cover World Science Fiction Convention
>> masquerades and Costume-Con Masquerades because the worldcons were
>> international by definition and we wanted to promote costume-cons as being
>> at the same level, and of course, because we were the *International*
>> Costumers’ Guild. We added Anime North subsequently, in part because the
>> con convinced us of the masquerade’s scope and quality and, once again, in
>> part because we were *International *ourselves.
>>
>> From my perspective, the first question an appicant should answer ought
>> to be, “How many entrants in each of the last five masquerades came from a
>> different country from the one in which it was held and what percentage did
>> they constitute each year? Please break the numbers and percentages down by
>> country of origin.”
>>
>> In the meantime, someone needs to answer Ms. Zusi — preferably one of the
>> officers, in my opinion.
>>
>> Byron
>>
>>
>>
>> My name is Lyndsey and I'm the Assistant Director of Programming (Cosplay
>> Division) and Masquerade Coordinator for Anime Boston. I'm reaching out to
>> you today to determine what steps our Masquerade would need to take in
>> order for the ICG to recognize our masquerade as an "international level
>> competition."
>>
>> I've been discussing this with Vicky Assarattanakuland she mentioned that
>> the first step is that someone would need to bring the matter to the Board
>> of Directors. Is this something you would be willing to help me with? If
>> you're interested, you can view our rules
>> <http://www.animeboston.com/cosplay/masquerade/>here. Anime Boston is
>> run by NEAS, the New England Anime Society (a non-profit with a mission
>> statement grounded in promoting and educating on Japanese culture). Anime
>> Boston is the flagship event and adheres to this mission statement closely.
>> We work closely with the Japanese consulate, have a sister-city program,
>> and we routinely gather the most Japanese guests of any convention in the
>> USA. For the last ten or so years, Anime Boston has cemented a place for
>> itself amongst the cosplay community as one of the largest, most
>> competitive, and fairest Masquerades in the USA. Our convention brings in
>> about 25k people each year and we always have a full house (about 3k
>> people) for the Masquerade. In my role as Masq Coordinator over the last
>> four years, I've been trying to push our event and competitors to be better
>> and better - and one of the ways I would love to do this for 2019 is to
>> gain recognition with the ICG. So far as I can tell, we adhere to the
>> standards you have listed on your website - we do have separate
>> craftsmanship awards that are considered outside of performance, with the
>> split being about 40/60 in regards to awards granted based on performance
>> vs craftsmanship, respectively.
>>
>> I will be happy to provide any documentation or additional information
>> that the board should need.
>>
>> Thank you for your time and your consideration;
>> *Lyndsey Zusi*
>> Anime Boston 2019
>> Assistant Director of Programming, Cosplay Division
>> Masquerade Coordinator
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

I was part of the group considering the Anime North application so long ago... I though we submitted a report on future procedures...

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:55 AM Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

If they meet the guidelines yet don’t get official approval it would be more appropriate to have them say they “meet the ICG stated standards” since the ICG is not actually giving them any real seal of approval. To give them a seal of approval there would have to be some oversight to make sure they comply and stay in compliance. 

Merrily 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 12:39 PM, Marianne Pease marianne.esl@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I think it would actually be a good idea to offer some sort of seal of appproval or recognition for convention masquerades. I've been toying this idea while working on the guidelines this year- mostly by myself. In a nutshell:

1. Clearly define what local, regional, and international masquerades look like. Make a checklist for each. 

2. Offer ICG fair play guidelines for use in governing their masquerades.

3. Let an individual masquerade self-declare whether they're local/regional/international without us being official gate keepers. 

4. If a convention self-declares themselves as running under ICG guidelines, request that they donate a copy of their official photos and the masquerade results to our archives. 

5. Offer a "We use ICG Guidelines" seal that they can include on their website and advertising material as well as a "Included in the ICG Archives" seal that links to us. 

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:13 PM Merrily Wolf ma_walking_wolf@yahoo.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I agree with Byron. We either need to outline requirements to be recognized or change the wording so we don't get applications.

Unfortunately, I don't have the experience to volunteer for this working group.

Merrily

On Wednesday, December 26, 2018, 6:58:52 PM EST, Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Marianne --

This is the second inquiry I’ve seen in only a couple of months seeking ICG recognition of a masquerade as an international-level competition. Our only guidance is the 2010 statement on the web site, “Accrediting International Costume Competitions,” at http://costume.org/wp/standards-of-practice-for-costume-competitions-requesting-icg-recognition-as-international/. I do not believe it gives the ICG sufficient guidance to make determinations when groups actually ask us to consider them. I suggest you put together a small working group to develop the statement into either workable guidelines for recognition or something that will discourage applications.

For those who don’t know, the phrase, “international-level competition” came with the original version of the Guidelines in 2006. As I recall, we came up with the phrase to cover World Science Fiction Convention masquerades and Costume-Con Masquerades because the worldcons were international by definition and we wanted to promote costume-cons as being at the same level, and of course, because we were the International Costumers’ Guild. We added Anime North subsequently, in part because the con convinced us of the masquerade’s scope and quality and, once again, in part because we were International ourselves.

From my perspective, the first question an appicant should answer ought to be, “How many entrants in each of the last five masquerades came from a different country from the one in which it was held and what percentage did they constitute each year? Please break the numbers and percentages down by country of origin.”

In the meantime, someone needs to answer Ms. Zusi — preferably one of the officers, in my opinion.

Byron

 

My name is Lyndsey and I'm the Assistant Director of Programming (Cosplay Division) and Masquerade Coordinator for Anime Boston. I'm reaching out to you today to determine what steps our Masquerade would need to take in order for the ICG to recognize our masquerade as an "international level competition."

I've been discussing this with Vicky Assarattanakuland she mentioned that the first step is that someone would need to bring the matter to the Board of Directors. Is this something you would be willing to help me with? If you're interested, you can view our rules here. Anime Boston is run by NEAS, the New England Anime Society (a non-profit with a mission statement grounded in promoting and educating on Japanese culture). Anime Boston is the flagship event and adheres to this mission statement closely. We work closely with the Japanese consulate, have a sister-city program, and we routinely gather the most Japanese guests of any convention in the USA. For the last ten or so years, Anime Boston has cemented a place for itself amongst the cosplay community as one of the largest, most competitive, and fairest Masquerades in the USA. Our convention brings in about 25k people each year and we always have a full house (about 3k people) for the Masquerade. In my role as Masq Coordinator over the last four years, I've been trying to push our event and competitors to be better and better - and one of the ways I would love to do this for 2019 is to gain recognition with the ICG. So far as I can tell, we adhere to the standards you have listed on your website - we do have separate craftsmanship awards that are considered outside of performance, with the split being about 40/60 in regards to awards granted based on performance vs craftsmanship, respectively.

I will be happy to provide any documentation or additional information that the board should need.  

Thank you for your time and your consideration;

Lyndsey Zusi
Anime Boston 2019

Assistant Director of Programming, Cosplay Division

Masquerade Coordinator

Thanks for the corrections Jeanine. I noticed a couple of them too and plan to have it updated by the end of the weekend. I had asked the contact I had for Central Ohio for information about the chapter for the chapter page and the board page, but did not hear back from them.  I will contact Carrie to see if she can send it to me (e.g. mailing address, email, website, logo, etc)

 

Thanks for the corrections Jeanine. I noticed a couple of them too and plan to have it updated by the end of the weekend. I had asked the contact I had for Central Ohio for information about the chapter for the chapter page and the board page, but did not hear back from them.  I will contact Carrie to see if she can send it to me (e.g. mailing address, email, website, logo, etc)

I will also ask the committee chairs for updated membership lists and appointment dates. Again, I will get that updated as I hear back from them.

-Phil

 

Hi Jeanine,

I just checked the December membership list for SiW and neither is listed there as a board member. The other officers are correct.  Are they listed as board members anywhere on the ICG website?

-Phil

 

The following ICG-BOD poll is now closed. Here are the final results

Shall motion 2018-12-07 to approve the propsed 2019 budget be approved?

Created by: mp_cosplay

1. Yea

   100.00%(12)

2. Nay

   0.00%(0)

3. Abstain

   0.00%(0)

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I don’t think there’s a need today for Board action on this matter. The Board decided when I was President (around the year 2000) that every chapter should have a non-voting observer as well as a voting member. That decision followed the dis-affiliation of Costumers Guild UK because no one had the responsibility to report to its members when the voting representative was unable to do so. I don’t think the Board has changed or repealed that decision.

Byron

 

On Dec 30, 2018, at 12:21 PM, gust@acm.org [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sorry! I took "BoD member list" to mean the board members shown in the membership list. I now realize that you meant the ICG-BOD Yahoo group membership list. 

There are quite a few people who on the list who are not board or committee members. I recall that some asked to remain on the list because they have chapter roles and want to monitor BoD activity by email rather than having to log in to Yahoo periodically. Being a list member is the only way to do that. I developed a scheme several years ago to support observers who cannot participate in board activities, should the board decide to formally support such an option.

-Phil

 

Am I really the first?   Happy New Year!

 

Bruce Mai

SLCG President