As a matter of history: a number of years ago there was considerable discussion about keeping the general membership abreast of discussions on BOD. Given that discussion, I would not recommend restricting access to much. That doesn't mean allowing commentary from beyond the BOD and probably committees. But some access to keep the genera membership apprised of BOD business would be a good idea.

Pierre

 

We might consider having a VotingBoardofDirectors channel on Slack where only voting BoD members have access.  Do we have any requirements for secret ballots?  I've never heard of any.  If we did that, then someone -- say the Recording Secretary -- could tally the results and everyone else could see it.

That would take care of of the voting/polling part.  But what about the notifications?

It looks like from this page, you can bcc e-mail from Slack:

https://mailclark.ai/help/article/PpU5pWI2Rl-how-do-i-email-from-slack

But I haven't figure out how to bcc everyone on a specific channel.  So, there are possibilities.

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:52 AM Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

One thing that has to be kept in mind. Not all members of the BoD have voting rights. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but voting is only open to the elected ICG officers and the one designated rep from each chapter.

It also must guarantee that all votes are secret ballot.

Please remember to sign your messages!
    Jeanine

On 1/13/2019 7:03 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:

 

Yahoo has been giving people problems with voting -- not everyone, but enough to be a problem.  So, we'd like to consider using another voting method.  We need:

-- Board members to receive e-mail notification of a vote, including:

------ what is being voted on

------ link to where to cast vote

------ dates/times the vote opens and closes

We want to do this as automatically as possible.  We want a process or platform that will: 

--- automatically send out notifications to the e-mail addresses of BoD members (and who should be in charge of sending these out? As Recording Secretary, I'm inclined to think it's me, but I think Jeanine has been doing it, especially for budget votes)

--- host a poll that multiple people can confirm the vote tally on

---------------------------------

Can Slack do this?  

I'm looking at Slack now and I can go to the BoardofDirectors Channel on the left side. 

In the upper middle I can see where I can 'View Member List', which I assume is just the people in the BoardofDiectors Channel. 

Then I can see the list of people on in this channel on the far right side.

But that is as far as I get.  I don't see an obvious way to send an e-mail notification to everyone in the BoardofDiectors Channel. Nor do I see any way to set up a poll in Slack. However, I'm a pretty minimal user for Slack. Please, if someone is more experienced, let me know.  I can keep poking at Slack and google it a bit and maybe find the controls I'm not seeing.

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-- 
Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why, they are simple doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971

And just so there is no misinterpretation of what I just wrote, I agree secret ballots are essential. But discussion not.

Pierre

 

We might consider having a VotingBoardofDirectors channel on Slack where only voting BoD members have access.  Do we have any requirements for secret ballots?  I've never heard of any.  If we did that, then someone -- say the Recording Secretary -- could tally the results and everyone else could see it.

That would take care of of the voting/polling part.  But what about the notifications?

It looks like from this page, you can bcc e-mail from Slack:

https://mailclark.ai/help/article/PpU5pWI2Rl-how-do-i-email-from-slack

But I haven't figure out how to bcc everyone on a specific channel.  So, there are possibilities.

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:52 AM Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

One thing that has to be kept in mind. Not all members of the BoD have voting rights. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but voting is only open to the elected ICG officers and the one designated rep from each chapter.

It also must guarantee that all votes are secret ballot.

Please remember to sign your messages!
    Jeanine

On 1/13/2019 7:03 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:

 

Yahoo has been giving people problems with voting -- not everyone, but enough to be a problem.  So, we'd like to consider using another voting method.  We need:

-- Board members to receive e-mail notification of a vote, including:

------ what is being voted on

------ link to where to cast vote

------ dates/times the vote opens and closes

We want to do this as automatically as possible.  We want a process or platform that will: 

--- automatically send out notifications to the e-mail addresses of BoD members (and who should be in charge of sending these out? As Recording Secretary, I'm inclined to think it's me, but I think Jeanine has been doing it, especially for budget votes)

--- host a poll that multiple people can confirm the vote tally on

---------------------------------

Can Slack do this?  

I'm looking at Slack now and I can go to the BoardofDirectors Channel on the left side. 

In the upper middle I can see where I can 'View Member List', which I assume is just the people in the BoardofDiectors Channel. 

Then I can see the list of people on in this channel on the far right side.

But that is as far as I get.  I don't see an obvious way to send an e-mail notification to everyone in the BoardofDiectors Channel. Nor do I see any way to set up a poll in Slack. However, I'm a pretty minimal user for Slack. Please, if someone is more experienced, let me know.  I can keep poking at Slack and google it a bit and maybe find the controls I'm not seeing.

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from: A.R. Davenport ----- thedoctorisin@gmail.com

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-- 
Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why, they are simple doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971

 

Originally, on yahoo,  voting was not secret it was by posting to the group in general. I suggested that we make use of Yahoo's provision for polls (which does then make each vote secret) largely because it was easy to do. That has served us well - until yahoo became unstable.

I haven't seen anything about polling on slack, but people can privately message/vote an individual - say.. The recording secretary - who then totals the votes and reports.

       -Judy Mitchell

On Jan 14, 2019 6:40 PM, "Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD]" <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We might consider having a VotingBoardofDirectors channel on Slack where only voting BoD members have access.  Do we have any requirements for secret ballots?  I've never heard of any.  If we did that, then someone -- say the Recording Secretary -- could tally the results and everyone else could see it.

That would take care of of the voting/polling part.  But what about the notifications?

It looks like from this page, you can bcc e-mail from Slack:

https://mailclark.ai/help/article/PpU5pWI2Rl-how-do-i-email-from-slack

But I haven't figure out how to bcc everyone on a specific channel.  So, there are possibilities.

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from: A.R. Davenport ----- thedoctorisin@gmail.com

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:52 AM Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

One thing that has to be kept in mind. Not all members of the BoD have voting rights. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but voting is only open to the elected ICG officers and the one designated rep from each chapter.

It also must guarantee that all votes are secret ballot.

Please remember to sign your messages!
    Jeanine

On 1/13/2019 7:03 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:

 

Yahoo has been giving people problems with voting -- not everyone, but enough to be a problem.  So, we'd like to consider using another voting method.  We need:

-- Board members to receive e-mail notification of a vote, including:

------ what is being voted on

------ link to where to cast vote

------ dates/times the vote opens and closes

We want to do this as automatically as possible.  We want a process or platform that will: 

--- automatically send out notifications to the e-mail addresses of BoD members (and who should be in charge of sending these out? As Recording Secretary, I'm inclined to think it's me, but I think Jeanine has been doing it, especially for budget votes)

--- host a poll that multiple people can confirm the vote tally on

---------------------------------

Can Slack do this?  

I'm looking at Slack now and I can go to the BoardofDirectors Channel on the left side. 

In the upper middle I can see where I can 'View Member List', which I assume is just the people in the BoardofDiectors Channel. 

Then I can see the list of people on in this channel on the far right side.

But that is as far as I get.  I don't see an obvious way to send an e-mail notification to everyone in the BoardofDiectors Channel. Nor do I see any way to set up a poll in Slack. However, I'm a pretty minimal user for Slack. Please, if someone is more experienced, let me know.  I can keep poking at Slack and google it a bit and maybe find the controls I'm not seeing.

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:20 PM Judy Mitchell judymitch@oldwaylane.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Originally, on yahoo,  voting was not secret it was by posting to the group in general. I suggested that we make use of Yahoo's provision for polls (which does then make each vote secret) largely because it was easy to do. That has served us well - until yahoo became unstable.

I haven't seen anything about polling on slack, but people can privately message/vote an individual - say.. The recording secretary - who then totals the votes and reports.

       -Judy Mitchell

On Jan 14, 2019 6:40 PM, "Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD]" <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We might consider having a VotingBoardofDirectors channel on Slack where only voting BoD members have access.  Do we have any requirements for secret ballots?  I've never heard of any.  If we did that, then someone -- say the Recording Secretary -- could tally the results and everyone else could see it.

That would take care of of the voting/polling part.  But what about the notifications?

It looks like from this page, you can bcc e-mail from Slack:

https://mailclark.ai/help/article/PpU5pWI2Rl-how-do-i-email-from-slack

But I haven't figure out how to bcc everyone on a specific channel.  So, there are possibilities.

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from: A.R. Davenport ----- thedoctorisin@gmail.com

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:52 AM Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

One thing that has to be kept in mind. Not all members of the BoD have voting rights. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but voting is only open to the elected ICG officers and the one designated rep from each chapter.

It also must guarantee that all votes are secret ballot.

Please remember to sign your messages!
    Jeanine

On 1/13/2019 7:03 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:

 

Yahoo has been giving people problems with voting -- not everyone, but enough to be a problem.  So, we'd like to consider using another voting method.  We need:

-- Board members to receive e-mail notification of a vote, including:

------ what is being voted on

------ link to where to cast vote

------ dates/times the vote opens and closes

We want to do this as automatically as possible.  We want a process or platform that will: 

--- automatically send out notifications to the e-mail addresses of BoD members (and who should be in charge of sending these out? As Recording Secretary, I'm inclined to think it's me, but I think Jeanine has been doing it, especially for budget votes)

--- host a poll that multiple people can confirm the vote tally on

---------------------------------

Can Slack do this?  

I'm looking at Slack now and I can go to the BoardofDirectors Channel on the left side. 

In the upper middle I can see where I can 'View Member List', which I assume is just the people in the BoardofDiectors Channel. 

Then I can see the list of people on in this channel on the far right side.

But that is as far as I get.  I don't see an obvious way to send an e-mail notification to everyone in the BoardofDiectors Channel. Nor do I see any way to set up a poll in Slack. However, I'm a pretty minimal user for Slack. Please, if someone is more experienced, let me know.  I can keep poking at Slack and google it a bit and maybe find the controls I'm not seeing.

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Hi all!

Big Lick ComicCon is Feb 9 and 10 in Roanoke, VA at the Berglund Center and has had an amazing turnout of costumers at their last 4 events. I’m helping with their costume contest once again and wanted to get the word out for those that would like to participate that the contest will be on Sunday this time. Would it be possible to have this event listed on the ICG page with the updated date?

Thanks so much!!!

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

 

Forwarded to the Tech group.
Jeanine

On 1/29/2019 10:07 AM, Shimmer Shade mera.babineaux@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:

 

Hi all!

Big Lick ComicCon is Feb 9 and 10 in Roanoke, VA at the Berglund Center and has had an amazing turnout of costumers at their last 4 events. I’m helping with their costume contest once again and wanted to get the word out for those that would like to participate that the contest will be on Sunday this time. Would it be possible to have this event listed on the ICG page with the updated date?

Thanks so much!!!

Cordially,
Mera Babineaux

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 3:22 AM <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

All board members are to check in within the first week of the month. Please state your name, chapter and position. Please always sign your name on all posts.

Membership reports are due to the Treasurer at icg-treasurer@costume.org by the 7th of the month.

From
ICG-BOD Calendar

 

All board members are to check in within the first week of the month. Please state your name, chapter and position. Please always sign your name on all posts.

Membership reports are due to the Treasurer at icg-treasurer@costume.org by the 7th of the month.

From
ICG-BOD Calendar

 

All board members are to check in within the first week of the month. Please state your name, chapter and position. Please always sign your name on all posts.

Membership reports are due to the Treasurer at icg-treasurer@costume.org by the 7th of the month.

From
ICG-BOD Calendar

 

And just so there is no misinterpretation of what I just wrote, I agree secret ballots are essential. But discussion not.

Pierre

On 1/14/2019 5:40 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:

 

We might consider having a VotingBoardofDirectors channel on Slack where only voting BoD members have access.  Do we have any requirements for secret ballots?  I've never heard of any.  If we did that, then someone -- say the Recording Secretary -- could tally the results and everyone else could see it.

That would take care of of the voting/polling part.  But what about the notifications?

It looks like from this page, you can bcc e-mail from Slack:

https://mailclark.ai/help/article/PpU5pWI2Rl-how-do-i-email-from-slack

But I haven't figure out how to bcc everyone on a specific channel.  So, there are possibilities.

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from: A.R. Davenport ----- thedoctorisin@gmail.com

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:52 AM Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

One thing that has to be kept in mind. Not all members of the BoD have voting rights. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but voting is only open to the elected ICG officers and the one designated rep from each chapter.

It also must guarantee that all votes are secret ballot.

Please remember to sign your messages!
    Jeanine

On 1/13/2019 7:03 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:

 

Yahoo has been giving people problems with voting -- not everyone, but enough to be a problem.  So, we'd like to consider using another voting method.  We need:

-- Board members to receive e-mail notification of a vote, including:

------ what is being voted on

------ link to where to cast vote

------ dates/times the vote opens and closes

We want to do this as automatically as possible.  We want a process or platform that will: 

--- automatically send out notifications to the e-mail addresses of BoD members (and who should be in charge of sending these out? As Recording Secretary, I'm inclined to think it's me, but I think Jeanine has been doing it, especially for budget votes)

--- host a poll that multiple people can confirm the vote tally on

---------------------------------

Can Slack do this?  

I'm looking at Slack now and I can go to the BoardofDirectors Channel on the left side. 

In the upper middle I can see where I can 'View Member List', which I assume is just the people in the BoardofDiectors Channel. 

Then I can see the list of people on in this channel on the far right side.

But that is as far as I get.  I don't see an obvious way to send an e-mail notification to everyone in the BoardofDiectors Channel. Nor do I see any way to set up a poll in Slack. However, I'm a pretty minimal user for Slack. Please, if someone is more experienced, let me know.  I can keep poking at Slack and google it a bit and maybe find the controls I'm not seeing.

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from: A.R. Davenport ----- thedoctorisin@gmail.com

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-- 
Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why, they are simple doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 11:14 AM Robin Egger International_Chicken@hotmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Robin Egger, Beyond Reality Costume Guild, ICG Rep checking in from a wet but not frozen PNW.

Robin

I'm a leaf on the wind.  Can't stop the signal.

On Feb 1, 2019, at 12:22 AM, "ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com" <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

All board members are to check in within the first week of the month. Please state your name, chapter and position. Please always sign your name on all posts.

Membership reports are due to the Treasurer at icg-treasurer@costume.org by the 7th of the month.

From
ICG-BOD Calendar

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 1:22 AM <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

All board members are to check in within the first week of the month. Please state your name, chapter and position. Please always sign your name on all posts.

Membership reports are due to the Treasurer at icg-treasurer@costume.org by the 7th of the month.

From
ICG-BOD Calendar

Karen Heim

SLCG

On 2019-02-01 02:22, ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 

All board members are to check in within the first week of the month. Please state your name, chapter and position. Please always sign your name on all posts.

Membership reports are due to the Treasurer at icg-treasurer@costume.org by the 7th of the month.

From
ICG-BOD Calendar

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 2:22 AM <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

All board members are to check in within the first week of the month. Please state your name, chapter and position. Please always sign your name on all posts.

Membership reports are due to the Treasurer at icg-treasurer@costume.org by the 7th of the month.

From
ICG-BOD Calendar

Pierre E. Pettinger, Jr.

Parliamentarian and Archivist.

 

All board members are to check in within the first week of the month. Please state your name, chapter and position. Please always sign your name on all posts.

Membership reports are due to the Treasurer at icg-treasurer@costume.org by the 7th of the month.

From
ICG-BOD Calendar

-- 
Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why, they are simple doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 8:18 PM Pierre and Sandy Pettinger costumrs@radiks.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Pierre E. Pettinger, Jr.

Parliamentarian and Archivist.

On 2/1/2019 2:22 AM, ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 

All board members are to check in within the first week of the month. Please state your name, chapter and position. Please always sign your name on all posts.

Membership reports are due to the Treasurer at icg-treasurer@costume.org by the 7th of the month.

From
ICG-BOD Calendar

-- 
Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why, they are simple doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 7:02 PM Byron Connell byronpconnell@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We don’t authorize masquerades. Even if we wanted to, we have no authority to do so.There is no category of "ICG-qualified" event. There never has been. We don’t use that word. We do recognize three “international level” competitions: at world science fiction conventions, Costume-Cons, and Anime North; however, we don’t authorize those organizations to run masquerades. I assume that the sponsor of WesterCon has the power to run a masquerade. The 2010 statement on Accrediting International Costume Competitions is on the web site at http://costume.org/wp/standards-of-practice-for-costume-competitions-requesting-icg-recognition-as-international/. It provides the procedure for WesterCon to follow to seek recognition and the standards to be used in deciding whether to accept the application.

There are also the ICG Guidelines: Assuring Fair Competition (http://costume.org/wp/icg-guidelines-ensuring-fair-competition/), which we urge masquerade directors to consider as they write their masquerade rules. Rules based explicitly on these guidelines are one of the factors to be considered in recognizing a competition as “international level.” The other factors are listed in the Accrediting document.

I hope this helps.

Byron      

On Feb 2, 2019, at 11:37 PM, Tanglwyst de Holloway tanglwyst@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi again!

Did the qualifications for becoming an authorized Masquerade event get posted anywhere? Last I hear, they were supposed to be on the website and they were missing or needed fixing? WesterCon still wants to be authorized as an ICG Qualified event and I need to know what I need to do to get that qualification.

Thank you !

Tonya Adolfson

AKA Tanglwyst de Holloway

Former Corresponding Secretary

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 10:14 AM Jeanine Swick icg-treasurer@costume.org [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So do we have any suggestions on other options for voting?  Has anyone looked at Survey Monkey as a possibility?

Jeanine

On 1/14/2019 11:05 PM, Pierre and Sandy Pettinger costumrs@radiks.net [ICG-BOD] wrote:

 

And just so there is no misinterpretation of what I just wrote, I agree secret ballots are essential. But discussion not.

Pierre

On 1/14/2019 5:40 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:

 

We might consider having a VotingBoardofDirectors channel on Slack where only voting BoD members have access.  Do we have any requirements for secret ballots?  I've never heard of any.  If we did that, then someone -- say the Recording Secretary -- could tally the results and everyone else could see it.

That would take care of of the voting/polling part.  But what about the notifications?

It looks like from this page, you can bcc e-mail from Slack:

https://mailclark.ai/help/article/PpU5pWI2Rl-how-do-i-email-from-slack

But I haven't figure out how to bcc everyone on a specific channel.  So, there are possibilities..

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:52 AM Jeanine jeanine@woollycat.net [ICG-BOD] <ICG-BOD@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

One thing that has to be kept in mind. Not all members of the BoD have voting rights. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but voting is only open to the elected ICG officers and the one designated rep from each chapter.

It also must guarantee that all votes are secret ballot.

Please remember to sign your messages!
    Jeanine

On 1/13/2019 7:03 PM, Anne Davenport thedoctorisin1980@gmail.com [ICG-BOD] wrote:

 

Yahoo has been giving people problems with voting -- not everyone, but enough to be a problem.  So, we'd like to consider using another voting method.  We need:

-- Board members to receive e-mail notification of a vote, including:

------ what is being voted on

------ link to where to cast vote

------ dates/times the vote opens and closes

We want to do this as automatically as possible.  We want a process or platform that will: 

--- automatically send out notifications to the e-mail addresses of BoD members (and who should be in charge of sending these out? As Recording Secretary, I'm inclined to think it's me, but I think Jeanine has been doing it, especially for budget votes)

--- host a poll that multiple people can confirm the vote tally on

---------------------------------

Can Slack do this?  

I'm looking at Slack now and I can go to the BoardofDirectors Channel on the left side. 

In the upper middle I can see where I can 'View Member List', which I assume is just the people in the BoardofDiectors Channel. 

Then I can see the list of people on in this channel on the far right side.

But that is as far as I get.  I don't see an obvious way to send an e-mail notification to everyone in the BoardofDiectors Channel. Nor do I see any way to set up a poll in Slack. However, I'm a pretty minimal user for Slack. Please, if someone is more experienced, let me know.  I can keep poking at Slack and google it a bit and maybe find the controls I'm not seeing.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

from: A.R. Davenport ----- thedoctorisin@gmail.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Those who fail to learn history
Are doomed to repeat it. 
Those who fail to learn history correctly --
Why, they are simple doomed.

Achem Dro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact." 
-- CY 4971