--- In ICG-D@egroups.com, "Christopher Ballis" <stilskin@n...> wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> Part of the CQ's problems has been a lack of contributions. How
about the
> following as a solution to that part:
>
> In addition to whatever fee is payable to receive the Quarterly,
each
> chapter must submit a set number of contributions each year - say 3
or 4
> each year - or be seen as defaulters. These should be new items, not
> reprints from thier own newsletters.
>
> Obviously, not all of these submissions will be usable but many
will be;
> will ensure a backlog of items; and, inevitably, increase the
quality of
> items appearing. It will also allow a wider reflection of interests
and
> activities of our varied chapters.
>
> A further side-benefit is the communication it will encourage within
> individual chapters, and will give members a greater opportunity and
> impetus to become involved in their art and the guild.
>
> -C.

> You're being too simple on that. It'd probably have to be set up by
> chapter size with some allowances given for various stuff.
>

> add to the duties of an already existing officer, CQ coordination, so
> the CQ editor has a designated contact within that chapter.
>
> Requiring more than is needed might ensure that some comply and
> possibly exceed their commitment making up for those that don't.
> Also, this might allow various articles of like topics to be filed so
> an entire issue can be devoted to that it.

> Okay, set a per capita number of submissions; chapters have newsletter
> editors in place who collate submissions so it is an extra
> manilla folder
> and postage stamp every so often; CQ's editors already have the job of
> selecting the variety of inclusions.

>
>C. wrote:
>
> > Okay, set a per capita number of submissions; chapters have newsletter
> > editors in place who collate submissions so it is an extra
> > manilla folder
> > and postage stamp every so often; CQ's editors already have the job of
> > selecting the variety of inclusions.
>
>One other thing. You wrote that newsletter articles should not be submitted
>to the Costumer's Quarterly. I don't see any need for such a restriction.
>They do need to be submitted *separately* from submission to the chapter
>newsletter, however. Just submitting it to a chapter newsletter doesn't
>grant permission for the CQ to use the article.
>
>That makes the additional duties of the chapter:
>* Get permission to send an article to the CQ
>* file it away for the monthly/quarterly mailing
>* put a stamp on it and drop it in a mailbox.
>
>And as you observe, the CQ editor's duties don't need to change at all.
>
>I think that would get us an even larger pool of articles to draw from.
>Imagine a return to the days of a *backlog* of articles! :-)
>

> Our current policy allows for reprints
> of SL articles
> in the CQ after a reasonable delay, so that they can be
> exclusive to the SL
> for at least a little bit. Our newsletter is what 'sells' our
> chapter to a
> lot of people.

> I think the CQ will be better if it is more than merely
> reprints of chapter
> newsletter articles.

> I think the CQ will be better if it is more than merely
> reprints of chapter
> newsletter articles.

>From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger <costumrs@radiks.net>
>Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ICG-D] ACG as part of the ICG
>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:48:06 -0500
>
>
> >At no point since 1992 have we received any receipt or formal note that
> >payment has been received in spite of requests. The requests have
>dwindled
> >over recent years - apathy sets in easily in such circumstances. Let us
> >just hope that the Australian Taxation Office which is far harsher than
>its
> >North American counterparts do not decide to audit us.
> >
> >In fact, from the beginning, getting any information from the ICG about
> >payment amounts, payment times and payment addresses has been almost
> >impossible. Delays, arm-twisting and something bordering on nagging have
> >worn down local board members given the task.
>
>
>I will agree. We really need to make information flow both ways. I will
>propose that we develop forms that be supplied to all chapters. This form
>would be filled out and accompany each payment to the ICG. In response,
>the treasurer would, upon receipt and verification, send a receipt to the
>chapter verifying reception. Sharon, you would propably be the best one to
>develop such a system.
>
>Pierre
>

>From: "Christopher Ballis" <stilskin@netspace.net.au>
>Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>To: <ICG-D@egroups.com>
>Subject: [ICG-D] Quarterly submissions
>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:12:11 +1000
>
>Dear list,
>
>Part of the CQ's problems has been a lack of contributions. How about the
>following as a solution to that part:
>
>In addition to whatever fee is payable to receive the Quarterly, each
>chapter must submit a set number of contributions each year - say 3 or 4
>each year - or be seen as defaulters. These should be new items, not
>reprints from thier own newsletters.
>
>Obviously, not all of these submissions will be usable but many will be;
>will ensure a backlog of items; and, inevitably, increase the quality of
>items appearing. It will also allow a wider reflection of interests and
>activities of our varied chapters.
>
>A further side-benefit is the communication it will encourage within
>individual chapters, and will give members a greater opportunity and
>impetus to become involved in their art and the guild.
>
>-C.

>From: de Doc <billerno@worldshare.net>
>Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>Subject: [ICG-D] Announcing: White and Barlowe Memorial, Xenobiology Grand
>Rounds ;-)
>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:26:19 -0400
>
>On a tangent actually related to COSTUMES...
>
>;-)
>
>I participated in this year's "Alien Fashion Show" at WorldCon. I was
>hoping for more really *alien* looks... and, alas, that didn't pan out.
>
>So, a question to all and sundry: if I were to volunteer to be the
>"visiting Diagnostician from Sector General", and be the moderator for a
>TRULY alien set of costumes, at Philadelphia in 2001, do enough of you have
>either costumes, or ideas for same, to make a solid hour of Xenocostuming?
>Nothing less alien than, say, a GOOD Vorlon suit?
>
>My preferred format would be to show the costumes, and then for the
>displaying costumers to be able to address 2-3 questions each from the
>audience on what inspired the costume, construction challenges, things we
>learned in building the look, etc...
>
>My take on this is that it is something best started on SOON... unless
>folks have a LOT more exotic stuff in their closets... ;-)
>
>So, I thought I'd check early and see if this is reasonably possible. I
>sure kinda hope so...
>
>de Doc
>
>

>From: marymorris@aol.com
>Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Quarterly submissions
>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:18:19 EDT
>
>In a message dated 10/24/2000 10:31:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
>kenw@voicenet.com writes:
>
><< One other thing. You wrote that newsletter articles should not be
>submitted
> to the Costumer's Quarterly. I don't see any need for such a restriction.
> They do need to be submitted *separately* from submission to the chapter
> newsletter, however. Just submitting it to a chapter newsletter doesn't
> grant permission for the CQ to use the article.
>
> That makes the additional duties of the chapter:
> * Get permission to send an article to the CQ
> * file it away for the monthly/quarterly mailing
> * put a stamp on it and drop it in a mailbox.
>
> And as you observe, the CQ editor's duties don't need to change at all.>>
>
>Just what ARE the CQ editor's duties? Because this is something I've never
>been all that clear on.
>
>Locally, our newsletter editor has the duty of - soliciting from the
>chapter
>officers things like minutes and meeting dates, and ensuring that they're
>correct for inclusion in the newsletter; soliciting chapter members and
>other knowledgable people for articles of interest even to the point of
>suggesting topics ("Hey, Genie, can I have a two page article about what
>it's
>like to work in a fabric store by the end of the month?") and keeping after
>them to make sure the articles arrive on time; editing said articles for
>readibility and space (an editor EDITS); keeping informed of local events,
>vendors, etc by combing through the paper and going into stores and to
>events
>and talking to the owners/organizers for more info; bringing all the info
>together and editing it and formatting it graphically into something that's
>readable; making up a newsletter budget that is reasonable for the
>chapter's
>funds and staying within it after consulting with the treasurer ('Sorry, we
>don't have the funds to do twelve pages on this issue - cut it down to ten
>and we'll be OK'), finding an affordable printer, taking it to the printer,
>picking it up, quality checking the result, and delivering it to the
>chapter
>president for addressing and mailing.
>
>Our newsletter editor already has PLENTY to do. He's not just a collator of
>articles other people have written for him; he's actively involved in the
>process. It may not be visible to most people who read the Scarlett Letter,
>but he gets out there and hustles for every bit of content it has. He
>doesn't
>sit and wait for it all to come to him magically.
>
>Our editor is rather proud of the end result and is a little wary of stuff
>he's worked very hard to get being sent on to the CQ immediatly. He feels
>that both the CQ and the Scarlett Letter will be stronger if they have
>unique
>and seperate content. Our current policy allows for reprints of SL articles
>in the CQ after a reasonable delay, so that they can be exclusive to the SL
>for at least a little bit. Our newsletter is what 'sells' our chapter to a
>lot of people.
>
>I think the CQ will be better if it is more than merely reprints of chapter
>newsletter articles. I think the chapters DO need to be actively encouraged
>to support the CQ with unique articles and content, but that this is
>something that cannot and should not be cooerced. If this means that the CQ
>editor has to call people up and 'make them offers they can't refuse' to
>get
>content or go as far as to solicit people and suggest articles to them,
>than
>that's what it takes. It works for us.
>
>Mary
>Sleeps with SL editor

>I think the CQ will be better if it is more than merely reprints of chapter
>newsletter articles

> We should also consider having the chapters gently reminded
> of the upcoming
> reporting dates a few weeks in advance - perhaps by
> postcards, like I get
> from my dentist telling me it's time to come in for a cleaning.

--- In ICG-D@egroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bconnell@M...> wrote:
> I will complete my term as President.
>
> I've just been reading a lot of good and productive discussion
> over the weekend by both the Board and the membership. We
> have to keep up that level of engagement, especially by the
> Board. When I've had a chance to digest the ideas in those
> messages, I'll get back to you -- tomorrow, I hope.
>
> Thanks for being productive. I'm gratified.
>
> Byron

>>So, a question to all and sundry: if I were to volunteer to be the

> I will complete my term as President.
>

> Just to get back to the lighter side-I find myself in
> a disagreement-a friendly one-with a fellow masquerade
> judge. The issue is whether a person who wears
> costumes that are made by someone else to the
> contestants specifications is competing with everyone
> else. The individual has now one best Novice in 3
> different local conventions. He's a good actor and
> comes up with good presentations-he also looks good in
> the costumes he orders. He has always given the
> seamstress public credit and has never tried for
> workmanship awards. My view is that for local
> conventions he should now be competing as a
> journeyman. My friend says that the categories are
> designed only for people who make their own costumes.
> What's the official view?
> Thanks
> Carol

----- Original Message -----
From: <callisto@netlabs.net>
To: <ICG-D@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 3:04 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] Re: E-CHAPTERS & MEMS WITHOUT CHAPTERS


> > After all that, can anyone just join this discussion list? Wouldn't
> that sort of be like an e-chapter?
>
> Sharon

Yup. this is sort of an e-chapter already, and I know of at least one
non-ICG member on this list.

----- Original Message -----
From: <callisto@netlabs.net>
To: <ICG-D@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 1:49 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] chapter newsletters


> Along with this centralization theory would there be chapters willing
> to volunteer their newsletters as optional publications for ICG
> members?
>
> Fleshing this idea out -
>
> You want to join the ICG, or better yet you have been a member of the
> ICG and you're renewing.
>
> So you pay your ICG dues and (if there's no members at large option)
> pay your local chapter dues to the 'ICG central office' in beautiful
> Lincoln, NE.
>
> You then could choose whether you wish to receive a subscription to
> the Costumer's Quarterly, this year's Annual, next year's Annual, old
> Annuals, and ... maybe the Scarlet Letter, Squeels, the Puppy
> Puddles, and other lofty publications because you've heard about
> 'those' people.
>
> Only those chapters that want to offer this would be listed for the
> general masses and the fee collected should cover printing and
> mailing (including an overseas option) and their particulars would be
> sent to the chapter by the 'ICG central office' along with the
> regular local membership roster. They could also maybe provide a
> line or two about their publication to entice members to want it.
> For example, The Puppy Puddles - An infrequent newsletter of the New
> Jersey/New York chapter that is found at the bottom of the finest
> bird cages. (Sorry Dora, I didn't want to deflate the SLUTS.)
>
> A lot more work would have to go into this idea but what do you think?
>
> Sharon Trembley
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ICG-D-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>

>Just to get back to the lighter side-I find myself in
>a disagreement-a friendly one-with a fellow masquerade
>judge. The issue is whether a person who wears
>costumes that are made by someone else to the
>contestants specifications is competing with everyone
>else. The individual has now one best Novice in 3
>different local conventions. He's a good actor and
>comes up with good presentations-he also looks good in
>the costumes he orders. He has always given the
>seamstress public credit and has never tried for
>workmanship awards. My view is that for local
>conventions he should now be competing as a
>journeyman. My friend says that the categories are
>designed only for people who make their own costumes.
>What's the official view?
>Thanks
>Carol
>
>=====
>Carol Mitchell President Chicagoland Costumer's Guild
>Manager Costume Programming Track Chicon 2000
>Co-chair CostumeCon 21
>
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>From: morrisjeff@aol.com
>Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>To: <ICG-D@egroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [ICG-D] Re: Quarterly submissions
>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:39:00 EDT
>
>You know, while this is a topic for discussion, I've got a question that
>perhaps Carl can answer. So far as I know (Bruce handles the mailings), we
>send a copy of the Scarlet Letter to both Byron and the editor of the CQ,
>as
>well as the other chapters that carry on an exchange policy with us.
>
>Do other chapters (besides the Pups, that is--I would HOPE Carl'd get a
>copy
>of their newsletter...) send copies to the CQ editor? If not, they
>should--if
>nothing else it would give Carl some idea of possible CQ articles (which I
>believe is kind of what we're talking about here), and it would also enable
>him to write up "status reports" about what each club is doing.
>
>Bruce gets the exchange copies and when I think to ask for them I go thru a
>pile every so often for ideas and bursts of newsletter envy (the Aussies do
>put out one heckuva newsletter, I must concede, but they'll never outweird
>ours). I prefer, though, to come up with our own stuff.
>
>JSM--she also snores, don't let her tell you otherwise...

>>Another friend with whom I collaborated on a presentation has a LARGE

>>In addition to whatever fee is payable to receive the Quarterly, each

>From: Carol Mitchell <costumeboss@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>Subject: [ICG-D] a masquerade question
>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:27:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Just to get back to the lighter side-I find myself in
>a disagreement-a friendly one-with a fellow masquerade
>judge. The issue is whether a person who wears
>costumes that are made by someone else to the
>contestants specifications is competing with everyone
>else. The individual has now one best Novice in 3
>different local conventions. He's a good actor and
>comes up with good presentations-he also looks good in
>the costumes he orders. He has always given the
>seamstress public credit and has never tried for
>workmanship awards. My view is that for local
>conventions he should now be competing as a
>journeyman. My friend says that the categories are
>designed only for people who make their own costumes.
>What's the official view?
>Thanks
>Carol
>
>=====
>Carol Mitchell President Chicagoland Costumer's Guild
>Manager Costume Programming Track Chicon 2000
>Co-chair CostumeCon 21
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE.
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--- In ICG-D@egroups.com, "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@p...> wrote:
> I dunno. Sounds like an awful lot of work for the Treasurer, even
if you
> proposed it, Sharon... Sounds like a records keeping nightmare.
>
>
Sharon Trembley wrote in part:

> > Along with this centralization theory would there be chapters
willing to volunteer their newsletters as optional publications for
ICG members?
> >
> > So you pay your ICG dues and .... local chapter dues to the 'ICG
central office' in beautiful Lincoln, NE.
> >
> > You then could choose whether you wish to receive a subscription
to the Costumer's Quarterly, this year's Annual, next year's Annual,
old > > Annuals, and ... maybe the Scarlet Letter, Squeels, the Puppy
> > Puddles, and other lofty publications because you've heard about
> > 'those' people.

>From: bbriant@juno.com
>Reply-To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>To: ICG-D@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Announcing: White and Barlowe Memorial, Xenobiology
>Grand Rounds ;-)
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:10:21 EDT
>
>Lisa--
>
> >>Another friend with whom I collaborated on a presentation has a LARGE
>very tentacled alien that we built for the presentation (the tentacles
>really work)<<
>
>Do tell, do tell! I'm involved in a plot againt humanity--uh, I mean a
>masquerade presentation featuring a large tentacle. How do your friend's
>tentacles work?
>
>Sidebar to everyone on this list: What DO the normal people talk about?
>
>Bruce B.
>
>"It's kind of fun to do the impossible." --Walt Disney
>
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>The CQ is our masquerade--it's suffering from a lack of entries, the
>people running it get burned out, the concom seems indifferent, and the
>audience just wants to be entertained.
>
>Bruce B.
>
>"It's kind of fun to do the impossible." --Walt Disney
>
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>>> casamai@primary.net 10/24/00 11:27PM >>>

----- Original Message -----
From: <callisto@netlabs.net>
To: <ICG-D@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 3:04 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] Re: E-CHAPTERS & MEMS WITHOUT CHAPTERS


> > After all that, can anyone just join this discussion list? Wouldn't
> that sort of be like an e-chapter?
>
> Sharon

Yup. this is sort of an e-chapter already, and I know of at least one
non-ICG member on this list.

>>> callisto@netlabs.net 10/25/00 10:07AM >>>

--- In ICG-D@egroups.com, "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@p...> wrote:
> I dunno. Sounds like an awful lot of work for the Treasurer, even
if you
> proposed it, Sharon... Sounds like a records keeping nightmare.
>
>
Sharon Trembley wrote in part:

> > Along with this centralization theory would there be chapters
willing to volunteer their newsletters as optional publications for
ICG members?
> >
> > So you pay your ICG dues and .... local chapter dues to the 'ICG
central office' in beautiful Lincoln, NE.
> >
> > You then could choose whether you wish to receive a subscription
to the Costumer's Quarterly, this year's Annual, next year's Annual,
old > > Annuals, and ... maybe the Scarlet Letter, Squeels, the Puppy
> > Puddles, and other lofty publications because you've heard about
> > 'those' people.




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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:46:41 EDT
> From: "Elaine Mami" <ecmami@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Re: Quarterly submissions
>
>As the one who sleeps with the CQ editor, I can tell you that his job is
>much the same as the newsletter editor's. However, he also has to check
>back for permission to reprint; solicit advertising; coordinate huge mailing
>lists with the ICG; gather and coordinate "news" from the various chapters;
>and finally, label, sort and schlep 7 or 8 large boxes of paper to the
>postoffice IN ANOTHER STATE WHERE THE MAILING PERMIT IS CURRENTLY.

>The CQ is not supposed to be just how-to's and con reports. It is also
>supposed to be a way of keeping the chapters aware of what is going on in
>the rest of "our" world.

----- Original Message -----
From: <WyldAires@aol.com>
To: <cdmami@home.com>; <casamai@primary.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:34 PM
Subject: Costume Quarterly


> You know I'm not sure, but I can't find anywhere in either the
International
> site or St. Louis site that tells a person where to send money to suscribe
or
> help out the Quarterly or how much it is. Am I just not looking in the
right
> place?
>
> Bruce Hinterleitner
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Connell" <bconnell@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
To: <ICG-D@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: E-CHAPTERS & MEMS WITHOUT CHAPTERS


> ICG-D is broader than an e-chapter, since you don't have to be an
> ICG member to subscribe. Presumably, an e-chapter would be
> composed only of ICG members, although I guess it could have its
> own "local" members, too.
>
> Byron
>
>
> >>> casamai@primary.net 10/24/00 11:27PM >>>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <callisto@netlabs.net>
> To: <ICG-D@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 3:04 PM
> Subject: [ICG-D] Re: E-CHAPTERS & MEMS WITHOUT CHAPTERS
>
>
> > > After all that, can anyone just join this discussion list? Wouldn't
> > that sort of be like an e-chapter?
> >
> > Sharon
>
> Yup. this is sort of an e-chapter already, and I know of at least one
> non-ICG member on this list.
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
>

>
>> You know I'm not sure, but I can't find anywhere in either the
>International
>> site or St. Louis site that tells a person where to send money to suscribe
>or
>> help out the Quarterly or how much it is. Am I just not looking in the
>right
>> place?
>>
>> Bruce Hinterleitner