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Group: ICG-D Message: 2902 From: Becky's naked email Date: 11/16/2001
Subject: Re: New Serger Discussion
Group: ICG-D Message: 2903 From: jeffreysmorris@aol.com Date: 11/16/2001
Subject: New Serger Discussion
Group: ICG-D Message: 2904 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 11/16/2001
Subject: Re: New Serger Discussion
Group: ICG-D Message: 2905 From: Alix Jordan Date: 11/17/2001
Subject: Kids on stage
Group: ICG-D Message: 2906 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 11/19/2001
Subject: Re: Kids on stage
Group: ICG-D Message: 2907 From: MicheleSol@aol.com Date: 11/20/2001
Subject: Insanity strikes! Off topic, but may help me fit in more costumes!
Group: ICG-D Message: 2908 From: MicheleSol@aol.com Date: 11/20/2001
Subject: Re: Digest Number 381
Group: ICG-D Message: 2909 From: Bruno Date: 11/20/2001
Subject: Members in Atlanta area
Group: ICG-D Message: 2910 From: Elaine Mami Date: 11/21/2001
Subject: Re: Members in Atlanta area
Group: ICG-D Message: 2911 From: Bruno Date: 11/21/2001
Subject: Re: Members in Atlanta area
Group: ICG-D Message: 2912 From: McClure, Kate Date: 11/21/2001
Subject: Seeking Winners of Norwescon 24 Masquerade
Group: ICG-D Message: 2913 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/22/2001
Subject: Re: Members in Atlanta area
Group: ICG-D Message: 2914 From: Lorloth@aol.com Date: 11/23/2001
Subject: I've had to block mails from yahoo.com
Group: ICG-D Message: 2915 From: Jean Palmer Date: 11/24/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
Group: ICG-D Message: 2916 From: Elaine Mami Date: 11/24/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
Group: ICG-D Message: 2917 From: Alix Jordan Date: 11/25/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
Group: ICG-D Message: 2918 From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/25/2001
Subject: File - subscribe.txt
Group: ICG-D Message: 2919 From: Nebula5@aol.com Date: 11/26/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
Group: ICG-D Message: 2920 From: Nebula5@aol.com Date: 11/26/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
Group: ICG-D Message: 2921 From: Dana MacDermott Date: 11/26/2001
Subject: Costume Museums
Group: ICG-D Message: 2922 From: Alix Jordan Date: 11/26/2001
Subject: Cat Resolutions
Group: ICG-D Message: 2923 From: Lorloth@aol.com Date: 11/28/2001
Subject: lost contact
Group: ICG-D Message: 2924 From: mscip@inreach.com Date: 11/28/2001
Subject: Jewelry
Group: ICG-D Message: 2925 From: mscip@inreach.com Date: 11/28/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
Group: ICG-D Message: 2926 From: MicheleSol@aol.com Date: 11/29/2001
Subject: Re: Digest Number 390 - Cats - Millenium Philcon Masq. help
Group: ICG-D Message: 2927 From: atalanta@goldapples.com Date: 11/29/2001
Subject: House-clearing
Group: ICG-D Message: 2928 From: Nebula5@aol.com Date: 11/30/2001
Subject: Official MilPhil Video
Group: ICG-D Message: 2929 From: jill@pothole.com Date: 11/30/2001
Subject: Re: Official MilPhil Video
Group: ICG-D Message: 2930 From: Nebula5@aol.com Date: 11/30/2001
Subject: Re: Official MilPhil Video
Group: ICG-D Message: 2931 From: Cathy Holroyd Date: 11/30/2001
Subject: Re: Andy Hallet
Group: ICG-D Message: 2932 From: Cathy Holroyd Date: 11/30/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
Group: ICG-D Message: 2933 From: MicheleSol@aol.com Date: 11/30/2001
Subject: Re: Digest Number 393
Group: ICG-D Message: 2934 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/30/2001
Subject: Re: Official MilPhil Video
Group: ICG-D Message: 2935 From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2001
Subject: File - Contact.txt
Group: ICG-D Message: 2936 From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2001
Subject: File - mailing-lists.txt
Group: ICG-D Message: 2937 From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2001
Subject: File - netiquette-quoting.txt
Group: ICG-D Message: 2938 From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2001
Subject: File - official-docs.txt
Group: ICG-D Message: 2939 From: Alix Jordan Date: 12/3/2001
Subject: Fwd: poppet RE: 10 Good Reasns For Buying
Group: ICG-D Message: 2940 From: Alix Jordan Date: 12/3/2001
Subject: Re: Andy Hallet
Group: ICG-D Message: 2941 From: Lorloth@aol.com Date: 12/3/2001
Subject: One way discussion groups mail problem now fixed
Group: ICG-D Message: 2942 From: Nebula5@aol.com Date: 12/7/2001
Subject: Seattle area costumers!
Group: ICG-D Message: 2943 From: bbriant@juno.com Date: 12/7/2001
Subject: Santa banned from St. Louis mall!
Group: ICG-D Message: 2944 From: Bruno Date: 12/7/2001
Subject: Re: Seattle area costumers!
Group: ICG-D Message: 2945 From: Christopher Ballis Date: 12/7/2001
Subject: I did WHAT?
Group: ICG-D Message: 2946 From: jeffreysmorris@aol.com Date: 12/7/2001
Subject: Santa being banned from mall
Group: ICG-D Message: 2947 From: C. D. Mami Date: 12/8/2001
Subject: Re: I did WHAT?
Group: ICG-D Message: 2948 From: Geoffrey Pruitt Date: 12/8/2001
Subject: Re: Santa banned from St. Louis mall!
Group: ICG-D Message: 2949 From: Karen Heim Date: 12/8/2001
Subject: Re: Santa banned from St. Louis mall!
Group: ICG-D Message: 2950 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 12/8/2001
Subject: Re: Santa banned from St. Louis mall!
Group: ICG-D Message: 2951 From: bbriant@juno.com Date: 12/9/2001
Subject: Re: Santa being banned from mall



Group: ICG-D Message: 2902 From: Becky's naked email Date: 11/16/2001
Subject: Re: New Serger Discussion
--- Lisa A Ashton <lisa58@juno.com> wrote:
> Dear RAndall--
>
> I have a Bernina

I have a Bernina too. I got mine for about 500 bucks
7 years ago or so. Paid for it on the shop's layaway
plan. I really love my Bernina, and it doesn't hurt
that the man I bought it from is the best sewing
machine servicer bar none.

I got my serger without differential feed, which I
don't think has hampered my sewing. I was given the
option to upgrade it within four years of purchase but
never found it necessary. I use my sewing machine for
most of my sewing and my serger to finish seams and
such. In my halloween costume I had to sew miles of
wooly nylon edges and thats when my serger was
especially valuable.

I would recommend to stay away from anything that
comes from Walmart, lol. I have a friend that got a
Kenmore serger from sears, which she likes quite a bit
and has a decent warrantee. But then I know she
doesn't use it nearly as heavily as I use mine.

Becky

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Group: ICG-D Message: 2903 From: jeffreysmorris@aol.com Date: 11/16/2001
Subject: New Serger Discussion
Randall, sounds to me that you're more in need of a serger protector.

JSM
Group: ICG-D Message: 2904 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 11/16/2001
Subject: Re: New Serger Discussion
In a message dated 11/16/01 6:48:10 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
lisa58@juno.com writes:

> I have a Bernina, which was a "floor model" at G- Street Fabrics

Other friends have spoken very highly of their experience with Berninas, so
that brand is in the lead.

I discovered a bent upper looper on my Singer yesterday, apparently the
result of a bout with the dreaded black fuzzy upholstery velvet last month.
This is likely the cause of my woes. I'll get it fixed one more time, even if
the machine is destined for hand-me-down.

Randall
Group: ICG-D Message: 2905 From: Alix Jordan Date: 11/17/2001
Subject: Kids on stage
Dear Lisa:

Linda Bowland and Donald Garvey's son, Allen, began competing at age
three. He had wanted a costume "just like Dad". Linda made him a little
purple vest, with a hatchling dragon on the back; I donated one of my long
baggy blouses, which had a few buttons at the throat, but was designed to
pull over the head. On him it was a caftan. It sort of went with his Dad's
hall costume. It was never meant for stage, however, come the con, we're in
the hotel room waiting for the babysitter to arrive. No baby sitter. We
phone the desk. They have no record of it. An hour later, we give up and
ask if Allen want's to go on stage. Sure. The baby sitter arrives as we're
leaving; she's only an hour late. Sorry, but we've made other plans.
Linda and Don are in the wings; Allen has been an angel (wings, not
fangs) so far, but it if after eight and he's getting tired. One
presentation to go, and they're on. Allen starts to throw a temper tantrum;
he's tired. Don scoops him up and tucks him under one arm; gagging him with
the same hand.
(Now, the presentation was called: "Mr and Mrs Prince Charming... Three
Years Later". We'd spent a week collecting used cerel boxes; empty baggies
containters, etc. until we had three bags full of the stuff. Linda had made
a long green gown; it was beautiufl. She also took her old chineele robe,
which was dying. The two of us had made a purple velvet caftan/robe, with
red and silver and crystal sequins and rhinestone trim, with matching
collar, armlets, and belt and pouch. He wore that. He also wore sneakers.
In the room, Linda had given them both deep bags under the eyes. Don hadn't
shaved two days. Don wore a beaded and sequined circlet; Linda wore
something similar in gold, with her hair done up under it. They both looked
grey.
In the green room, while Allen ran around and charmed everyone, Linda
began the process of pulling out bobby pins, and letting her hair start to
unravel. The circlet fell over one eye. Don's hair was mussed, and his
circlet was approaching his eyes. Everyone was so helpful, trying to get
them mirrors, etc. so that they could fix their hair. People also kept
trying to throw out the props.)
Anyway, Gord reads their cue; the music does what the music has been
doing all evening and dies before it's born, so out goes Linda, with my Wolf
Bear, wrapped in blankets over one shoulder, as she passes the floor. Count
to ten. Don walks in with Allen. Allen bits him and Don lets him go.
Allen drops to the floor; picks himself up, and wonders around the stage
staring at people. Linda and Don mime their routine. Linda points to the
bags and to the "baby". Don shakes his head. Linda rolls her eyes and
walks off centre stage, patting the baby's bottom. Just as she is about to
go down the stairs, she patted the doll; looked at her hand and made a
exasperated face. (We instantly knew all the mothers in the audience.) A
crest fallen Don follows. At the base of the steps he realised that Allen
was not with him. He turns around and calls Allen. "NO!" "Come on!"
"NO!" Don has to chase Allen around the stage, to the roars of the
audience; sling him over his shoulder, and head off stage. Five minutes
later Allen is sound asleep.
They won Best Novice. They also kept being asked how they had managed to
get Allen to throw a temper tantrum on cue. (These people were obviously
not parents.)
Next year, Allen wanted a new costume. Linda made him "Thor as an
Innocent Young Child", all based on the small rubber hammer, which he liked
to use on hard things; such as my head. He has little slippers, and a fun
fur ragged skirt, with a painted and glittered "strength" belt, and a
buckram based winged helmet. The music was "Die Valkaryie" (and I know the
spelling wrong, but I can't see straight just now.) We simply told him to
go out there and run around; wave his hammer.
He did perfectly; the audience loved him. The judges were impressed and
kept telling us that even if kids didn't automatically win, Allen would have
still gotten "Best Young Fan".
At five, he announced that he wanted to do something quiet; he wanted
contrast. Linda and I got together and produced "A King of Elves", with a
costume inspired by Erte's style, rather than any actual drawing. Allen
picked his own music (Roger Whitiker singing "Greensleves"; and
choriographed his own presentation. He went out; did his thing; bowed to
the audience, and left the stage. Gord read the credits and for the first
time actually lost it. "That was Allen Garvey in a costume designed and
made by his Mommy. Presentaion choriographed by...Allen?????!!!!!!!!!" It
was so sweet!
He didn't compete for the next two years, since only Linda and I were
attending the cons. At eight, he announced that he wanted to do "Spaceman
Spiff". Again, Linda made the costume, including the blaster. We're back
stage. I hear hystericaly screaming and tell the people near me that Allen
must be on stage. Yep! If he hadn't been competing at a child, he would
likely have beaten out his parents for "Best in Show".
The next year, he wanted to do "The Purple People Eater". Linda made him
a black jumpsuit, with a silver lame stomach, wings, and tail. She covered
the jumpsuit with purple pallettes. The gloves were black, with small
sequins. The head was addapted from a tricrotops pattern, but with a
reduction in horns and eyes. She had planned to make feet, but Allen
announced that if the Purple People Eater liked Earth music, he would also
like Earth fashions. He would wear his running shoes, providing that she
including documentation telling the judges that inside those tiny running
shoes were tiny purple feet. Linda found an old platic guitar, the kind
that you give a five year old; and customized it; giving it a holographic
design.
She did the tape; two versus; one chorus; something like that; under one
minute at any rate. However, Allen would not rehearse. Finally, after much
nagging, he showed up his routine. Fine. Great. Pick our jaws up from off
the floor. Now, where had he seen Elvis?
He took the costume to Ad Astra and received "Best Young Fang". Since we
were going to Toronto Trek that year, he took it there as well.
This time Jacqui Ward was there. She had not seen Allen since he was
five and doing the King of Elves. The music started. Nothing. She's
waiting; wondering if Allen finally has stage fright. No; he's just waiting
for his cue. "...It looks like a purple people eater to me." And there he
is, a purple sequined Elvis! He received "Best Young Fan", along with a
comment from Jacqui: "When is he going to start competing as an adult?"
The next year, he and Linda both worked on the costume: "The Klingon
From the Black Lagoon". It received "Most Promising", at Costume Con 13.
Since then, Allen has not costumed much; he's been working as a catcher
most years. Next year, he plans on entering. He will have to sew his own
costume, with only a little coaching from Mom. He's looking forward to it.
Oh, and he's sixteen; six foot tall; and a "chick Magnet", according to
his chat lines.

Peace
Alixandra
eddana@hotmail.com

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Group: ICG-D Message: 2906 From: Lisa A Ashton Date: 11/19/2001
Subject: Re: Kids on stage
Alix's stories just show that if kids are allowed to take costuming where
they want to go, they will enjoy it and so will the audience.

Yours in costuming, Lisa A.
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Group: ICG-D Message: 2907 From: MicheleSol@aol.com Date: 11/20/2001
Subject: Insanity strikes! Off topic, but may help me fit in more costumes!
Well, folks, I left a convention in the west suburbs of Chicago Sat. morning and drove downtown for the kick-off.  I've signed up with something called Training To End Stroke.  It's a program by the American Stroke Association (part of the American Heart Association) which helps get you in shape while raising money for a worthwhile cause.  They have trainers and fundraisers that work with you for 5-6 months to prepare while you fund raise for them in honor of your "stroke hero".  If you raise the goal amount (hopefully even more than that), they fly you to the marathon (or half marathon) you've chosen to walk or run in.  I signed up to walk a half marathon in Kona, Hawaii in June.  Considering I've been kind of a slug lately, this is going to be a big challenge!

My stroke hero is a girlfriend of mine, Carmen Parker.  A couple of years ago she had a very severe stroke, and is just now starting to walk a tiny bit.  And her aphasia has improving markedly.  (My mother's mother also ended up with dementia due to micro strokes before she passed away)  She's and her husband are looking forward to CostumeCon here in Chicago.

If any of you would like to help me meet this goal with encouragement and/or donations (or both) it/they would be greatly appreciated.  Ug!  They will be training on Sat. mornings at 8:00 or 8:30 a.m., so you know this will be a challenge for me.  Especially, since, I normally go to sleep around 2:00-6:00 a.m. on the weekends.  Part of why it's a challenge.  It's looking like I may also be getting a couple of donations of items to raffle off.  I'll let you know more later on.

Most of the painting is done and they have ripped out the old shower walls and the next inspection is scheduled for Wed.  It won't be finished by Thanksgiving, but definitely by the end of the month.  Keep those fingers crossed.

Michele

Group: ICG-D Message: 2908 From: MicheleSol@aol.com Date: 11/20/2001
Subject: Re: Digest Number 381
People keep telling me to buy White.  I just haven't had time to check them out yet.
Group: ICG-D Message: 2909 From: Bruno Date: 11/20/2001
Subject: Members in Atlanta area
One of our members just moved to Marietta, GA.  I know the Leonards are out there.  Anyone know how I can put them in touch.
 
Bruno
 
Group: ICG-D Message: 2910 From: Elaine Mami Date: 11/21/2001
Subject: Re: Members in Atlanta area
They are at alton3@mindspring.com

My sister also lives in Marietta. If your member wants local info on
schools, doctors, or whatever, have her contact Berna Levine at
bernasl@aol.com. Tell her I sent you.

Elaine

>From: "Bruno" <bruno@armyofdorkness.org>
>Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
>To: <icg-d@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [ICG-D] Members in Atlanta area
>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:30:22 -0700
>
>One of our members just moved to Marietta, GA. I know the Leonards are out
>there. Anyone know how I can put them in touch.
>
>Bruno
>


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Group: ICG-D Message: 2911 From: Bruno Date: 11/21/2001
Subject: Re: Members in Atlanta area
Thanks Elaine, I've passed it on.
 
Bruno
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Members in Atlanta area


They are at alton3@mindspring.com

My sister also lives in Marietta.  If your member wants local info on
schools, doctors, or whatever, have her contact Berna Levine at
bernasl@aol.com.  Tell her I sent you.

Elaine
Group: ICG-D Message: 2912 From: McClure, Kate Date: 11/21/2001
Subject: Seeking Winners of Norwescon 24 Masquerade
Hello!

And, my deepest apologies for the scattershot sending of this message, but I
felt it was the best way I have to cover all angles possible.

As some may know, due to some technical glitches in the system, the winners
of Norwescon 24's Masquerade did not receive certificates for their awards.
As I am the Masquerade Director for Norwescon 25, I would like to remedy
that, but have run up against a problem.

Though I have a complete list of entrants, I have no list of who won what,
nor addresses for many of the folk involved. This is where I ask the kind
indulgence and aid of the costume community at large. (Or, after the
Holidays, at larger, which I certainly will be!)

If you, or someone you know, was a Masquerade contestant at Norwescon 24,
please do contact me! I would like to find out the particulars of your
award, so that certificates can be drawn up, properly signed and sent
post-haste to their rightful winners. If at all possible, I'd like to have
everyone's information before the end of January, so that the certificates
may be finished and sent before the end of February. Well, that's my dream,
anyway . . . ;)

As this missive has nattered on long enough, I shall end now with a note of
appreciation for all the hard work that has gone into not only the Norwescon
Masquerade, but all Masquerades. Without the wonderful creations on-stage,
and the diligent work back stage, I would never have found this delightful
obsession we all share.

My thanks to you all, and do have a safe and joyful Holiday season.

Kate McClure
Known to answer to Frau Vilda,
StitchWitch, Mad Gracie Rackham, free chocolate . . .
Masquerade Director - Norwescon 25
Grand Pooh-Bah (but not for long!), Beyond Reality Costumer's Guild

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Group: ICG-D Message: 2913 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/22/2001
Subject: Re: Members in Atlanta area
Actually, I think that address is no longer valid. Try Trudy's::
georgialei@hotmail.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Mami" <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Members in Atlanta area


>
> They are at alton3@mindspring.com
>
> My sister also lives in Marietta. If your member wants local info on
> schools, doctors, or whatever, have her contact Berna Levine at
> bernasl@aol.com. Tell her I sent you.
>
> Elaine
>
> >From: "Bruno" <bruno@armyofdorkness.org>
> >Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <icg-d@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [ICG-D] Members in Atlanta area
> >Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:30:22 -0700
> >
> >One of our members just moved to Marietta, GA. I know the Leonards are
out
> >there. Anyone know how I can put them in touch.
> >
> >Bruno
> >
>
>
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Group: ICG-D Message: 2914 From: Lorloth@aol.com Date: 11/23/2001
Subject: I've had to block mails from yahoo.com
Just so that people are aware, since I've suddenly started getting junk
emails from some yahoo addresses I've blocked all yahoo.com emails. I don't
believe that this will affect the discussion lists which I'm signed on to,
but in the unlikely event that anyone wants to contact me urgently and is
only on a yahoo.com email address they will have to do so via something else.

Marion Byott (CGUK Membership Secretary/Treasurer)
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Group: ICG-D Message: 2915 From: Jean Palmer Date: 11/24/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
Hi all...
A costume query--I am interested in the names of and locations/contact info,
etc. for any/all Museums in Britian and Europe with good Costume Displays.
Will be going there in the spring fora couple of weeks.
Thanks in advance.
Jean (for Nola)
Group: ICG-D Message: 2916 From: Elaine Mami Date: 11/24/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
Jean,

I know you'll get the best answers from the UK folks, but the highlights of
my visits were the Victoria and Albert in London and the museum (can't
remember the name - sorry) in Bath. Of course, in Bath you can also get
your Georgette Heyer fix and dine at the Pump Room. Plan to spend lots of
$$$$$$ at the V&A book store, too. Can I come along in your luggage?

Elaine

A costume query--I am interested in the names of and locations/contact info,
>etc. for any/all Museums in Britian and Europe with good Costume Displays.
> Will be going there in the spring fora couple of weeks.
>Thanks in advance.
>Jean (for Nola)
>
>
>


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Group: ICG-D Message: 2917 From: Alix Jordan Date: 11/25/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
Dear Elaine:


and the museum (can't
>remember the name - sorry) in Bath.

Went I went to England, back in 1975, it was simply called: "The
Museum of Costume". I brought back a couple of postcards from the place,
but I haven't got them handy, so I can't check the backs to make certain.

Peace
Alixandra
eddana@hotmail.com

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Group: ICG-D Message: 2918 From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/25/2001
Subject: File - subscribe.txt
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Group: ICG-D Message: 2919 From: Nebula5@aol.com Date: 11/26/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
I would recommend these Paris museums:
Musee de la Mode et du Costume, Palais Galliera -- Palais Galliéra 10, avenue Pierre 1er de Serbie - 75016 Iéna, Alma-Marceau. RER : Alma-Marceau

Musee de la Mode et du Textile - Paris, Palais du Louvre --107, rue de Rivoli - 75001, Palais-Royal/Musée du Louvre/Tuileries

Musee de l'Armee (uniforms & militaria)

--Julie Z. S.


Group: ICG-D Message: 2920 From: Nebula5@aol.com Date: 11/26/2001
Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
I would recommend these Paris museums:
Musee de la Mode et du Costume, Palais Galliera -- Palais Galliéra 10, avenue Pierre 1er de Serbie - 75016 Iéna, Alma-Marceau. RER : Alma-Marceau

Musee de la Mode et du Textile - Paris, Palais du Louvre --107, rue de Rivoli - 75001, Palais-Royal/Musée du Louvre/Tuileries

Musee de l'Armee (uniforms & militaria)

--Julie Z. S.


Group: ICG-D Message: 2921 From: Dana MacDermott Date: 11/26/2001
Subject: Costume Museums
Depends on in what you are interested . There is a Dr. Who Museum in
Langollen (unless there are also double Ls to start with). The collection
of costumes, particularly the monsters is great . The only problem is the
lighting, which is done to optimize scary effect rather than for
viewing. I was still able to discover just how the work was done. It was
a very satisfactory discovery that the BBC improvised exactly the same way
I would.
From looking at the costume renderings, it became obvious that the
unmistakable visual style of the show was partially due to designing as
though the show was on a stage, and then doing it for the more intimate
television medium.
The Welsh cultural Museum in Southern Wales had a few good items, but the
village style displays of the environment and crafts were very good.
Similarly, the living history museum/experience in Iron Bridge Gorge was
excellent and included a dress shop.
Another top notch Museum with a very strong costume element is the Museum
of London. It is a modern Museum of the best sort. You follow a path that
takes you through the history of London, and see items and costumes from
Roman times onward. It is dynamic, and some of the displays are
unexpected. There are other exhibits besides the time line permanent
exhibit that are regularly changed. We went twice during our last
visit. I recommend this one strongly.

We discovered that the British Museums vary tremendously in rules on
photography. Some allow photography with or without flash and tripod;
some forbid the one or the other, and some forbid photography
entirely. Check before you go so you will have the right equipment with you.
We took a lot of pictures at the Victoria and Albert Museum costume
collection. I seem to recall that the Museum of Costume at Bath did not
allow photography and was also poorly lit. The reason we went back to the
Museum of London was specifically to take pictures.
Have a wonderful time.
Dana
Group: ICG-D Message: 2922 From: Alix Jordan Date: 11/26/2001
Subject: Cat Resolutions
Gentlebeings:

I am forwarding this one to everyone whom I know, who is owned by cats.
Since this is most of the costumers of my aquaintance, I am saving time by
sending this to both of the costume lists which I currently subscribe to.
So if you have no interest in cats simply ignore this posting.
Oh, and it is a costume related subject since it concerns cats, and life
with cats is a costuming topic. (see: Animal X's "costuming with cats".)

Peace
Alixandra
eddana@hotmail.com


>Thought everyone would enjoy this. I laughed till I had to find my
>inhaler---Barbara Ann
> >
> >
> > > Cat Resolutions:
> > >
> > > I will not run through the house with a condom wrapper in my mouth,
> > > especially when my human's grandmother is over.
> > >
> > > My human will never let me eat her pet hamster, and I am at peace
> > > with that.
> > >
> > > I will not leap into my human's chair which she has temporarily
> > > vacated, and then bite my human on the bum when she sits back down.
> > >
> > >
> > > I will not puff my entire body to twice its size for no reason
> > > after my human has finished watching a horror movie.
> > >
> > > I will not sniff at my male human's feet after he takes his shoes
> > > off, freeze my mouth open in disgust and then sniff my private parts
> > > to compare odors. My female human might find it amusing, but my
> > > male human does not appreciate it, especially in front of company.
> > >
> > > I will not slurp fish food from the surface of the aquarium.
> > >
> > > I must not help myself to Q-tips, and I must certainly not proceed
> > > to stuff them down the sink's drain.
> > >
> > >
> > > I will not bite my human on the rear while she is sitting on the
> > > Big White Drinking Bowl.
> > >
> > > I will not eat large numbers of assorted bugs, then come home and
> > > puke them up so the humans can see that I'm getting plenty of
> > > roughage.
> > >
> > > I will not lean way over to drink out of the tub, fall in, and then
> > > pelt right for the box of clumping cat litter. (It took FOREVER to
> > > get the stuff out of my fur.)
> > >
> > > I will not stand on the bathroom counter, stare down the hall, and
> > > growl at NOTHING after my human has finished watching The X-Files.
> > >
> > > When my human is taking a bubble bath, the two pinkish-brown things
> > > sticking up out of the bubbles in her chest region are NOT to be
> > > played with!
> > >
> > > I will not fish out my human's partial plate from the glass so that
> > > the dog can "wear" it and pretend to be my human. (It is somewhat
> > > unnerving to wake up, roll over in bed, and see the dog grinning at
> > > you with your own teeth.)
> > >
> > > I will not use the bathtub to store live mice for late-night
> > > snacks.
> > >
> > > I will not drag dirty socks up from the basement in the middle of
> > > the night, deposit them on the bed and yell at the top of my lungs
> > > (Burmese LOUD yowling) so that my human can admire my "kill."
> > >
> > > I will not knead my male human's groin at 2 a.m. with claws
> > > extended.
> > > It seems to cause him some discomfort and he wakes up all grumpy.
> > >
> > > I will not perch on my human's chest in the middle of the night and
> > > stare into her eyes until she wakes up.
> > >
> > > We will not play Herd of Thundering Wildebeests Stampeding Across
> > > the Plains of the Serengeti over my humans' bed while they're trying
> > > to sleep.
> > >
> > > Screaming at the can of food will not make it open itself.
> > >
> > > I am a (neutered) cat, not a peacock, and prancing around with my
> > > tail fluffed up will not make my balls grow back.
> > >
> > > I cannot leap through closed windows to catch birds outside. If I
> > > forget this and bonk my head on the window and fall behind the couch
> > > in my attempt, I will not get up and do the same thing again.
> > >
> > > I will not assume the patio door is open when I race outside to
> > > chase leaves.
> > >
> > > I will not back up off the front porch and fall into the bushes
> > > just as my human is explaining to his girlfriend how graceful I am.
> > >
> > >
> > > I will not complain that my butt is wet and that I am thirsty after
> > > sitting in my water bowl.
> > >
> > > I will not intrude on my human's candle-lit bubblebath and singe my
> > > butt.
> > >
> > > I will not stick my paw into any container to see if there is
> > > something in it. If I do, I will not hiss and scratch when my human
> > > has to shave me to get the rubber cement out of my fur.
> > >
> > > If I bite the cactus, it will bite back.
> > >
> > > It is not a good idea to try to lap up the powdered creamer before
> > > it dissolves in boiling coffee.
> > >
> > > Just because I hear voices in my head, I do not have to answer
> > > them.
> > >
> > > When I am chasing my tail and catch my back leg instead, I will not
> > > bite own on my foot. This hurts, and my scream scares my human.
> > >
> > > When it rains, it will be raining on all sides of the house. It is
> > > not necessary to check every door.
> > >
> > > Birds do not come from the bird feeder. I will not knock it down
> > > and try to open it up to get the birds out.
> > >
> > > I will not stuff my rather large self into the rather small bird
> > > feeder (with my tail hanging out one side) and expect the birds to
> > > just fly in.
> > >
> > > I will not teach the parrot to meow in a loud and raucous manner.
> > >
> > > The dog can see me coming when I stalk her. She can see me and
> > > will move out of the way when I pounce, letting me smash into floors
> > > and walls. That does not mean I should take it as a personal insult
> > > when my humans sit there and laugh.
> > >
> > > Yes, there are still two very large dogs in the backyard. There
> > > have been for several years. I don't have to act as if I've just
> > > discovered the Demon Horror of the Universe each time one of them
> > > appears in my window.
> > >
> > > I will not play "dead cat on the stairs" while people are trying to
> > > bring in groceries or laundry, or else one of these days, it will
> > > really come true.
> > >
> > > When the humans play darts, I will not leap into the air and
> > > attempt to catch them.
> > >
> > > I will cease my obsession with the box my humans keep their condoms
> > > in. This box is not for me. I will not knock it on the ground, I
> > > will not sit on it, I will not try to scratch it open. Especially
> > > when my humans are using the condoms.
> > >
> > > I will not swat my human's head repeatedly when she's on the family
> > > room floor trying to do sit ups.
> > >
> > > When my human is typing at the computer, her forearms are *not* a
> > > hammock.
> > >
> > > Computer and TV screens do not exist to backlight my lovely tail.
> > >
> > > I am a walking static generator. My human doesn't need my help
> > > installing a new board in her computer.
> > >
> > > I will not bring the city police to the front door by stepping on
> > > the speaker phone button and then the automatic 911 dial button.
> > >
> > > I will not speed dial the overseas numbers.
> > >
> > > I will not walk on the keyboard when my human is writing important
> > > emio gnaioerp ga3qi4 taija3tgv aa35 a.
> > >
> > > Any critter that lives in the house (hamsters) stay in the house
> > > and any wild critters (frogs and earthworms) stay outside. I am not
> > > allowed to set the hamster free in exchange for finding a frog to
> > > put in the fish tank.
> > >
> > > I will not stalk the deer in the apple orchard next door. They have
> > > sharp hooves and could hurt me if they weren't laughing so hard.
> > >
> > > I will not watch the guinea pig constantly as the guinea pig likes
> > > to sleep once in a while.
> > >
> > > The goldfish likes living in water and should be allowed to remain
> > > in its bowl.
> > >
> > > I will not put a live mole in my food bowl and expect it to stay
> > > there until I get hungry.
> > >
> > > I will not eat spider plants and hallucinate behind the toilet.
> > >
> > > I will not drag the magnets (and the papers they are holding up)
> > > off of the refrigerator and then bat them underneath it so that they
> > > adhere to the underside.
> > >
> > > I will learn to relax at the vet's office so they will start
> > > writing things in my records like "Good Kitty" and "Sweet Kitty"
> > > instead of the stuff that's there now like "MEAN!!", "BITER!!!", and
> > > "GET HELP!!!!!"
> > >
> > > I promise I will meditate more closely upon the causal relationship
> > > between going dumpster diving on Sunday afternoon and projectile
> > > vomiting Monday, and being brought to the Evil Place Where They
> > > Stick Things Up My Butt on Tuesday evening. I realize that if I
> > > hadn't done the first, none of the other things would have happened.
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't need to check my male human's aim in the bathroom I will
> > > not bat at my male human's family jewels while he is engaged in the
> > > act of mating with my female human, no matter how tempting the
> > > danglies are. My humans get mad and I might get free flying
> > > lessons.
> > >
> > > I will not be miffed at my human all day and then kiss her on the
> > > nose at 2:00 a.m. to tell her that she is forgiven and can now pet
> > > me.
> > >
> > > I will not scratch the children of lawyers, no matter how much they
> > > chase me or how hard they pull my tail.
> > >
> > > If I MUST claw my human, I will not do it in such a fashion that
> > > the scars resemble a botched suicide attempt.
> > >
> > > If I must give a present to my human's overnight guests, my toy
> > > mouse is much more socially acceptable than a big live cockroach,
> > > even if it isn't as tasty.
> > >
> > > I will not soak my catnip toy in the water bowl to make tea. I
> > > will not get high and sit there drinking my tea and kneading the
> > > floor afterwards. I will not then get delusions of grandeur and
> > > make tea in the toilet bowl or the tub. And I will not try to make
> > > tea with used socks, dirty panties or hair scrunches when my humans
> > > take the catnip toy away from me.
> > >
> > > After my (female) human has enjoyed the company of a larger, but
> > > equally gorgeous, hairy animal, I will not leap onto the bed, smell
> > > where he's been, and then jealously pee there to eradicate his
> > > traces.
> > >
> > > A warm pepperoni pizza is not a good place for a nap.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Group: ICG-D Message: 2923 From: Lorloth@aol.com Date: 11/28/2001
Subject: lost contact
I seem to have been bounced off this discussion list.

Please can someone contact me off list about this?
Group: ICG-D Message: 2924 From: mscip@inreach.com Date: 11/28/2001
Subject: Jewelry
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    Hello Folks:

    Can anyone help John with information? I suggested that he try the library and
    Internet looking under collectible jewelry. Any other suggestions?

    Until later--

    Carole

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    I have a braclet and matching necklass and 2 sets of earings one set very large
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    is 1 and three quarters inches across with 11 rows or strands of rhinestones
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    other 9 rows in small stones. It is 7 and one half inches long. The large earing
    set is 1 and a quarter inch in diameter and the smaller earing set is
    rectangular shape three quarters of an inch long. The necklass is 3 strands all
    stones 11 inches long with the middle strand 15 inches long. One earing shows:
    Kemper Co. in NY. I am needing to know how to obtain the current value of this
    matching set of costume jewelry. Perhaps someone knows of this type and can
    assist me. Thanks!!!!!

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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2925 From: mscip@inreach.com Date: 11/28/2001
    Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
    > From: "Alix Jordan" <eddana@hotmail.com>
    >
    > Dear Elaine:
    >
    > and the museum (can't remember the name - sorry) in Bath.
    >
    > Went I went to England, back in 1975, it was simply called: "The
    > Museum of Costume". I brought back a couple of postcards from the place,
    > but I haven't got them handy, so I can't check the backs to make certain.
    >
    We were there in 2000, during our honeymoon. We bicycled from Winchester to
    Bath, and yes, we visited the Museum of Costume and the Pump Room. Both are a
    must, and touring the Baths themselves is worthwhile.

    If you go to the V&A, you can spend a whole day there with no problem. Plan at
    least two hours to see the main displays and however much time you want to see
    the piece/study area upstairs. The V&A is very worthwhile.

    Until later--

    Carole
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2926 From: MicheleSol@aol.com Date: 11/29/2001
    Subject: Re: Digest Number 390 - Cats - Millenium Philcon Masq. help
    Now that I'm done ROTFLMAO, and I can see again (couldn't open my eyes I was laughing so hard) and can breath again after the use of TWO inhalers, this is the funniest thing I've ever read.  I can't even think about clumping cat litter without my eyes tearing.

    Thank you, after the last three days, I needed that.  I came home tonight to find the master bathroom beautifully painted (literally a fantastic job) with the wrong color paint.  They are fixing it Friday.  Monday I found out I'd told them were the wrong grout (grey, should have been white) was and they used it, but by Tues. morning when it dried it turned out it was nicer than the right one and instead of scraping it out of three walls of tile, they only had to scrape the old stuff out of a small floor area and I fortunately had enough of the grey left.

    Yesterday when they went to pick up my custom ordered shower doors (been there for a year) discovered it had been sold out from under me.  So they had the new contractor remeasure to reorder the door (so much the old contractor did was wrong, the guy ordering the door didn't trust him) and we found out the old one had measured wrong and the door wouldn't have fit.  They're trying to rush the new one.  All these things have been nightmares that turned out to be blessings in the long run.

    I may have to get a website just to put up pictures after boring you all so long.

    With the captains bed finally sold and gone tonight I need to find some cabinets for large pieces of fabric.  Any suggestions on where to look?

    I'm trying to get in touch with Vickie Warren, if anyone can send me a phone number it would be appreciated.  If anyone knows the H-Mercs, we've got their Cement Overshoes Award, but I've not heard from them with an address to send it to.  And finally, I'm trying to find the two lady novices that did the Jack Skellington presentation (A little night romance or something like that)  I need to get in touch with them for CC21.

    Thanks,

    Michele
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2927 From: atalanta@goldapples.com Date: 11/29/2001
    Subject: House-clearing
    Clearing out some things from the house, thought I'd see if anyone here
    (or any chapters) would be interested. I'll be inventorying the fabric
    soon as the dust settles and will let it be known what is available
    when I know what's there.

    Some might be useful, but if you are not looking for stuff, feel free
    to delete this message (and if it is too off topic, John you can delete
    this from the archive)

    N-E-Way...

    The following items are available to anyone who can arrange to pick
    them up before 12/15/2001 in Bristol, PA (about 15min from Trenton).

    Display rack - six sides, was for Maps, three "sides" are perfect for
    envelopes and tri-fold brochures, the other "sides" are standard US
    letter size. Stands about 5' tall. Free to good home.

    Student desk - could stand a new paint job but very sturdy. $25

    "Soft-sided" storage closet thingie. $5

    Coffee table $10

    IKEA [Billy] Bookcases (however many I can't take with) $20

    Chest of drawers (antique) $150

    Bureau w/ mirror (antique) $200 (set with chest)

    "Microwave" cart $30

    Please contact me off-list for more information, pictures, etc.

    Pat
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2928 From: Nebula5@aol.com Date: 11/30/2001
    Subject: Official MilPhil Video
    Sorry for posting this here -- I tried sending this directly to Vicki Warren
    at the masquerade@milphil.org address, but it seems to be a dead end now.

    Vicki, I know this probably isn't your area, but can you direct me to the
    proper department? I purchased two videos of the masquerade. For one of
    them I paid the extra amount to buy onsite. The other one was to be sent
    when completed. To date, I have not received the second one. Have they gone

    out yet? [Has anyone else received theirs?] Is there a problem, or are
    things
    just moving slowly? Would appreciate your assistance,

    Julie Zetterberg Sardo
    8515 S 113th St
    Seattle, WA 98178-3316
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2929 From: jill@pothole.com Date: 11/30/2001
    Subject: Re: Official MilPhil Video
    Hi Julie and everyone,

    The copying of the tapes post-convention has been delayed. The copying
    will likely be done in early January and then the administration will need
    to be done. Look for the tapes in February unless a miracle occurs.

    Jill Eastlake
    co-Division Director, Events for MilPhil




    Subject: Official MilPhil Video

    Sorry for posting this here -- I tried sending this directly to Vicki
    Warren
    at the masquerade@milphil.org address, but it seems to be a dead end now.

    Vicki, I know this probably isn't your area, but can you direct me to the
    proper department? I purchased two videos of the masquerade. For one of
    them I paid the extra amount to buy onsite. The other one was to be sent
    when completed. To date, I have not received the second one. Have they
    gone

    out yet? [Has anyone else received theirs?] Is there a problem, or are
    things
    just moving slowly? Would appreciate your assistance,

    Julie Zetterberg Sardo
    8515 S 113th St
    Seattle, WA 98178-3316
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2930 From: Nebula5@aol.com Date: 11/30/2001
    Subject: Re: Official MilPhil Video
    In a message dated 11/30/01 9:57:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, jill@pothole.com writes:


    The copying of the tapes post-convention has been delayed. 


    Thanks, Jill, I understand and will be patient.  I just didn't want to find I was the only one who slipped through the cracks! --JZS
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2931 From: Cathy Holroyd Date: 11/30/2001
    Subject: Re: Andy Hallet
    I was lucky enough to meet Andy (and have a picture taken with him) at the
    big Buffy con held in the UK in June. He sang Lady Marmalade at the party on
    the Saturday night - boy has that guy got a voice.

    Cathy

    - However, I do wish that I could make it to Toronto this weekend; Andy
    Hallet of "Angel" is going to be the guest, at Primedia; and he's apparently
    going to sing. sigh drool sigh

    Peace
    Alixandra
    eddana@hotmail.com


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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2932 From: Cathy Holroyd Date: 11/30/2001
    Subject: Re: Query - Museums in Britian & Europe
    As mentioned by others there are excellent museums in London at the V & A
    and the London Museum and in Bath. I should also mention that there is a
    costume museum in Nottingham (not open Mondays) as well as a Lace Museum if
    you are interested in that subject.

    Cathy

    Hi all...
    A costume query--I am interested in the names of and locations/contact
    info,
    etc. for any/all Museums in Britian and Europe with good Costume Displays.
    Will be going there in the spring fora couple of weeks.
    Thanks in advance.
    Jean (for Nola)




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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2933 From: MicheleSol@aol.com Date: 11/30/2001
    Subject: Re: Digest Number 393
    I too purchased two videos and haven't heard a thing.

    Michele
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2934 From: Bruce & Nora Mai Date: 11/30/2001
    Subject: Re: Official MilPhil Video
    I might be interested in purchasing one of these when they come out......

    Bruce
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2935 From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2001
    Subject: File - Contact.txt
    Lasted updated: 10/15/2000

    For ICG business:

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    icg@costume.org For anything else

    The following also work:

    heyyou@costume.org
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    They all go into a single mailbox, but using a specific address
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    Please note: costume is NOT plural and the top level domain is ORG.

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    Note: The account icg@inwap.com is a archival account which
    I check every few months. So don't bother sending anything
    there. Hmmm, need to get that moved too.
    <currently not archiving>

    If you really need to get in touch with me in a hurry:

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    If you want to send me hardcopy:

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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2936 From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2001
    Subject: File - mailing-lists.txt
    Administrivia: About the ICG mailing lists.

    Due to a crash of the Best List Server in early October,
    the ICG mailing lists were moved to eGroups. When the
    server came back up, the membership decided it liked eGroups.

    The ICG has 2 mailing lists, the ICG General Discussion (ICG-D)
    list and the ICG Board of Directors (ICG-BOD) list.

    ICG-D is intended for, but not limited to, the general membership
    of the International Costumers' Guild.

    ICG-BOD is intended for, and limited to, the members of the
    International Costumers' Guild Board of Directors as defined
    by Article 5, Section 1 of the ICG Bylaws and those non-voting
    parties as invited by the BOD to provide commentary.

    To post to the lists use the following addresses:

    ICG-D@egroups.com for general membership discussion.
    ICG-BOD@egroups.com for officer level discussions.

    To subscribe, please see the Subscription HowTo contained
    in subscribe.txt for instructions.

    Notes:

    Policies of the ICG-D and ICG-BOD mailing list:

    1) No Flaming. The moderator will issue one and only one warning.

    If the flaming continues, all parties flaming will be unsubscribed.

    2) No detailed discussion of the actual making of costumes.

    "Huh?" you say. When this list was set up, its intention was
    not to draw traffic away other costuming lists such as
    H-Costume, F-Costume, Vintage, etc, but to promote discussion
    about the ICG and costuming in general between members.

    Detailed discussions will be encouraged to move or cross post
    to one of the other lists.

    3) If someone directly requests the moderator to subscribe/unsubscribe
    them they will be sent this message and the moderator will
    subsingle/unsubscribe them.

    4) No SPAM! Suspect addresses in subscription requests will have their
    identity verified.

    5) No Chain Letters. I know some of them pull at your heart strings
    or have you fearing for your hard drive, but most are inaccurate
    (at best), out-of-date or fake (at worst).

    6) Severely off-topic discussions or violations of these few policies
    will flagged by a message from the moderator with [RIP]* in the
    subject line. Further discussion after the posting of the [RIP]
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    7) No viral advertising! Do not send messages with advertisements
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    8) Subscribers whose accounts bounces mail will be deactivated.

    "If messages sent to a member are consistently returned"
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    * I originally used Rip as in the sense of a ripping seam, but when
    capitalized, its other meaning worked as well.
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2937 From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2001
    Subject: File - netiquette-quoting.txt
    Last update 11/13/2000 (minor edits)

    Quoting

    **** Do it ****

    Please quote or paraphrase the original message you are replying to.

    I often play "catch-up", reading a large number of messages in one
    sitting, but I still occasionally say "Huh?" to someone's one
    line reply to message posted days ago.

    Think about how confused someone who has hours or even days
    between reading messages can get.

    **** Don't do too much of it ****

    When you quote, please do some trimming.

    * Delete the list sig
    * Delete the persons sig
    * Delete details of an event you are commenting on
    * Trim down the original post to just what you are replying to.
    There is no need to quote 3 paragraphs of message,
    when you are addressing something in just one of them,
    or just to say: "I agree." or "Me too."

    **** Be clear about seperating your comments ****

    * Most of the time a blank line is sufficent.
    * If you wish to highlight your text, use a
    different character then your chosen
    quoting character.
    ie: Don't hightlight with ">" when
    the original is marked with ">" as well.




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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2938 From: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2001
    Subject: File - official-docs.txt
    Last updated 11/08/99.

    You can find the following ICG Official documents on the ICG Web Site:

    Bylaws http://www.costume.org/admin/icgbl92.html

    Standing Rules
    http://www.costume.org/admin/icgstrl1.html

    General Information Press Release in text format
    http://www.costume.org/admin/press981231.txt

    General Information Flyer
    http://www.costume.org/admin/flyer.html

    ICG Annual Meeting proxy form in text format
    http://www.costume.org/admin/proxy.txt

    Lifetime Achievement Award winners
    http://www.costume.org/admin/lifetime.txt

    ICG 1999 Budget
    http://www.costume.org/admin/budget99.txt

    Presidents Messages from March 1998 to the current month
    Check the main page for exact locations

    Presidential Rulings - Executive decisions of the ICG President.
    Check the main page for exact locations

    IRS 501(c)(3) documents and Maryland Articles of Incorporation.
    Coming soon.

    Current list of Local Chapters
    http://www.costume.org/chapters.html

    How to form your own Local Chapter
    http://www.costume.org/about/HowTo.html
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2939 From: Alix Jordan Date: 12/3/2001
    Subject: Fwd: poppet RE: 10 Good Reasns For Buying
    Gentlebeings:

    Here is another one concerning very good excuses....err... I mean reasons
    to give to people who wonder why you are buying even more fabric, when you
    are already paying rent on two storages lockers as it is, with an option on
    a third.

    Peace
    Alixandra
    eddana@hotmail.com


    Fabric

    #1-It insulates the closet where it is kept

    #2- itis less expensive & more fun then
    psychiatric help.

    #3-A sudden increase in the boll weevil
    Poplation might wipee out the cotton
    crop for the next ten years

    #4-I'm participatng in a contest__The
    one with that dies with the most fabric
    WINS!

    #5-Because I'm worth it

    #6-It's not immoral, illegal or fattening.It calms
    the nerves, gratifies
    the good soul
    & makes me feel good

    >#7-Buy it now, before your Husband
    >retires & goes with you on all your
    >shopping expeditions

    #8-It helps keep the economy going. It is
    our patiotic duty to protect the jobs of
    >cotton farmers & Textile Mill workers

    #9- It keeps the dust off those previously
    empty spaces like the dinning table or
    the living room floor

    #10-It keeps without refrigeration, you
    don't have to cook to enjoy it.You never
    have to feed it, burp it, change it, wipe
    it's nose or walk it


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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2940 From: Alix Jordan Date: 12/3/2001
    Subject: Re: Andy Hallet
    Dear Cathy:

    >I was lucky enough to meet Andy (and have a picture taken with him) at the
    >big Buffy con held in the UK in June. He sang Lady Marmalade at the party
    >on
    >the Saturday night - boy has that guy got a voice.
    >
    >Cathy

    weep. sob. sigh. Andy Hallet couldn't make Primedia; his shooting
    schedual was changed at the last minute, and they couldn't find a flight out
    of L.A., which would get him to Toronto in time. They tired to get Adrian
    Paul, since he is filming in Toronto, at the moment, but he was tied up that
    weekend as well, although he would have come if he could; maybe they'll get
    him next time. So, you are soooooooo lucky.

    Peace
    Alixandra
    eddana@hotmail.com

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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2941 From: Lorloth@aol.com Date: 12/3/2001
    Subject: One way discussion groups mail problem now fixed
    Many thanks to those of you who replied off list.
    I've now resolved this problem and am getting emails from my discussion groups again.

    Marion
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2942 From: Nebula5@aol.com Date: 12/7/2001
    Subject: Seattle area costumers!
    Forwarded message:

    Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:10:21 -0800
    From: "Shawn Marier" <smarier@qwest.net>
    Subject: Museum of Flight

    The following was just passed on to me by my contact at the Museum of Flight.
    They are looking for volunteers to come in costume for the exhibit openings.


    The dates they need help are:

    V.I.P. opening on Wednesday, Dec. 12 6:3 - 8pm,
    Member & public opening is Saturday, Dec. 15: 9am - 5pm.


    Here is what they sent me:

    **I wanted to tell you and your organization about a cool event
    **that is upcoming. The Museum of Flight is opening a great
    **exhibit called "2001:Building for Space Travel" next week and
    **I would like to invite you to participate.
    **
    **The exhibit was developed in collaboration with The Art
    **Institute of Chicago and includes science fiction artifacts,
    **models of real and proposed spacecraft, movie and TV
    **memorabilia, and a lot more. From Buck Rogers fantasy to a
    **walk through the 'HabLab' (a full-size space station
    **habitation/laboratory module), the photographs, drawings,
    **models and artifacts designed by architects, artists,
    **writers, filmmakers and graphic designers combine with the
    **'real life' designs of aerospace engineers for a completely
    **unique view of space travel and exploration - past, present
    **and future.
    **
    **We are looking for adult volunteers to come in
    **costume/character (Star Wars,
    **Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, etc.) and talk
    **with the crowd as greeters, and if you'd like to set up a
    **booth in the gallery about your organization you are welcome
    **to do that. If anyone would like to volunteer, in costume,
    **to help us oversee a few tables of activities, that would be
    **great, too. Also, I'm not sure of your availability, but if
    **anyone has a costume to lend, that would be much appreciated
    **as well. Our needs are as follows:
    **
    **2 - 3 people - we will have a dance area playing space tunes
    **and will need people to hang out there and dance and
    **encourage visitors to dance.
    **
    **1 or 2 people - to run a cd player as a sort of DJ
    **
    **4 - 6 people - greeters that will chat with guests and
    **entertain. One thing we have for this is a set of View
    **Masters with old Buck Rogers reels.
    **
    **We would like greeters to attend an exhibit orientation on
    **Tuesday, Dec. 11 at 6:30pm.
    **
    **There is a V.I.P. opening on Wednesday, Dec. 12 from 6:30pm
    **until 8pm, and the member and public opening is Saturday,
    **Dec. 15 from 9am until 5pm. We would like to have characters
    **all of those times, and the booth and other volunteer options
    **would be for Saturday, Dec. 15. Set up time for a booth
    **would be 7:30am.
    **
    **If anyone is interested please let me know as soon as
    **possible. We would love to have you and yours participate.
    **This would also include free admission to anyone helping and
    **a chance to see the exhibit on its opening day!
    **
    **To find out more: www.museumofflight.org
    **
    **Sincerely,
    **Meredith Wilson
    **
    **Museum of Flight
    **Interim Outreach Manager
    **Seattle, Washington
    **206-768-7130

    --Julie Z. S.
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2943 From: bbriant@juno.com Date: 12/7/2001
    Subject: Santa banned from St. Louis mall!
    A St. Louis man who dresses as Santa to shop during the Christmas
    holidays was prevented from entering the Westfield mall by security
    guards, who felt that two Santas would confuse children.

    Mall managerment has reportedly decided on a 'no-costume' rule for
    non-employees.

    Halloween should be an interesting time at that mall...

    Bruce B.

    "It's kind of neat to do the impossible."
    --Walt Disney

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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2944 From: Bruno Date: 12/7/2001
    Subject: Re: Seattle area costumers!
    Gee, I'd love to go if I was only in Seattle.
     
    Bruno
     
    **
    **We are looking for adult volunteers to come in
    **costume/character (Star Wars,
    **Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, etc.) and talk
    **with the crowd as greeters, and if you'd like to set up a
    **booth in the gallery about your organization you are welcome
    **to do that.  If anyone would like to volunteer, in costume,
    **to help us oversee a few tables of activities, that would be
    **great, too.  Also, I'm not sure of your availability, but if
    **anyone has a costume to lend, that would be much appreciated
    **as well. Our needs are as follows:
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2945 From: Christopher Ballis Date: 12/7/2001
    Subject: I did WHAT?
    The rumour mill has produced this one, "Chris Ballis has resigned from
    CC20."

    It's news to me!

    -C.
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2946 From: jeffreysmorris@aol.com Date: 12/7/2001
    Subject: Santa being banned from mall
    Actually, Bruce, if you stop and think about it, they've got good reasons for
    concern. Santa Claus is a figure much beloved--and trusted--by children. All
    it takes is one molester in costume...and you can take it from there.

    I'd also point out that the fellow in question isn't wearing a cheap or
    homemade suit--his is a $300 ermine outfit. Like the pros use, so to speak.
    And he's got a fluffy white beard; there's a picture of him in the 12/6
    Post-Dispatch, and he looks authentic enough to pass for a mall Santa.

    The change in policy is 9/11 related--but here's a quote from the Westfield
    Shopping Mall company: "An unidentified person dressed as Santa Claus
    approaching children is a security concern, especially someone that can't be
    identified other than 'he looked like Santa Claus'."

    Westfield sponsors an annual "trick or treat" fest for kids every Halloween
    at their malls. They can go around from store to store and collect candy,
    warm, safe and sound, with parental supervision. It's a lot of fun. Tiring,
    but fun.

    Hopefully you've got more of the story now and see the situation from both
    sides. As a parent, the thought of this guy running around dressed like that
    bothered me.

    JSM
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2947 From: C. D. Mami Date: 12/8/2001
    Subject: Re: I did WHAT?
    you are always the last to know
    Carl
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Christopher Ballis" <stilskin@netspace.net.au>
    To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 6:04 PM
    Subject: [ICG-D] I did WHAT?


    > The rumour mill has produced this one, "Chris Ballis has resigned from
    > CC20."
    >
    > It's news to me!
    >
    > -C.
    >
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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2948 From: Geoffrey Pruitt Date: 12/8/2001
    Subject: Re: Santa banned from St. Louis mall!
    Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:25:06 -0800
    > From: bbriant@juno.com
    >Subject: Santa banned from St. Louis mall!
    >
    >A St. Louis man who dresses as Santa to shop during the Christmas
    >holidays was prevented from entering the Westfield mall by security
    >guards, who felt that two Santas would confuse children.
    >
    >Mall managerment has reportedly decided on a 'no-costume' rule for
    >non-employees.
    >
    >Halloween should be an interesting time at that mall...
    >
    >Bruce B.


    Do you have any documentation? I'd be interested in hearing more, since
    a)I'm from St. Louis and b) I own the local Santa(tm) franchise.
    Specifically, which "Westfield mall" was it? Westfield owns like half the
    malls in St. Louis County, and none of them is simply called "the Westfield
    mall."

    Kinda sounds urban legendy to me...
    -Geoffrey

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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2949 From: Karen Heim Date: 12/8/2001
    Subject: Re: Santa banned from St. Louis mall!
    It's not a legend, nor a joke; it's the sad truth of our modern day.

    To answer your second question, I believe it was South County mall.

    Karen

    Geoffrey Pruitt wrote:
        Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:25:06 -0800
       From: bbriant@juno.com
    Subject: Santa banned from St. Louis mall!

    A St. Louis man who dresses as Santa to shop during the Christmas
    holidays was prevented from entering the Westfield mall by security
    guards, who felt that two Santas would confuse children.

    Mall managerment has reportedly decided on a 'no-costume' rule for
    non-employees.

    Halloween should be an interesting time at that mall...

    Bruce B.


    Do you have any documentation? I'd be interested in hearing more, since
    a)I'm from St. Louis and b) I own the local Santa(tm) franchise.
    Specifically, which "Westfield mall" was it? Westfield owns like half the
    malls in St. Louis County, and none of them is simply called "the Westfield
    mall."

    Kinda sounds urban legendy to me...
    -Geoffrey

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    Group: ICG-D Message: 2950 From: randwhit@aol.com Date: 12/8/2001
    Subject: Re: Santa banned from St. Louis mall!
    In a message dated 12/8/2001 3:24:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, axejudge@accessus.net writes:




    A St. Louis man who dresses as Santa to shop during the Christmas
    holidays was prevented from entering the Westfield mall by security
    guards, who felt that two Santas would confuse children.

    Mall managerment has reportedly decided on a 'no-costume' rule for
    non-employees.





    I don't have a problem with this very specific case of a non-union Santa during the holiday season, but the rule is stated in an over-general way.

    I'd hate to think I couldn't stop off for an orange julius on the way back from the renaissance faire. Heck, those are my work clothes.

    I hope the guards handled the situation gently. The kiddies wouldn't enjoy seen Santa led off in handcuffs either.

    Randall
    Group: ICG-D Message: 2951 From: bbriant@juno.com Date: 12/9/2001
    Subject: Re: Santa being banned from mall
    >From JSM:

    >>Actually, Bruce, if you stop and think about it, they've got good
    reasons for
    concern. Santa Claus is a figure much beloved--and trusted--by children.
    All
    it takes is one molester in costume...and you can take it from there. <<

    (snip)

    Yeah but...apparently he's been doing this for several years without
    complaint or problem. Certainly child safety is important, I was
    responding to the kneejerk reaction of mall management ("Some guy in a
    Santa suit who's not under our control? Ban him! No unauthorized Santas
    allowed!").

    It would've been more work on management's part to meet him, greet him,
    present him with an annual pass to the mall (keys to the city sort of
    thing), make him feel welcome, generate good publicity locally. Instead
    they look like (concerned, lawsuit-fearing) jerks nationwide.

    Bruce B.

    "It's kind of neat to do the impossible."
    --Walt Disney

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