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Hello Michael:

>
> My name is Michael Jacobsen and I am sending this to
> ask for your help in answering a trivia question at my
> high-school. Here is the question:
>
> "What dress size would Venus de Milo wear?"
>
> I'd really appreciate if you could help me with the
> answer for this. The contest ends monday, so I'd be
> gracious for a quick reply.
>

Well, according to a University of Newcastle (Australia) survey in 1999,
Venus de Milo had the following measurements

Bust: 34"
Waist 31.2"
Hips 40.8"
Height 5'4"

At 5'4", she would be in the "petite" size range. My guess as to her sizes
would peg her at size 10 or 12 for her top and around a size 14 or 16 for the
bottom.

The problem with the question as to dress size, is that no standard dress size
exists. One designer could have a woman in a size 8, and another designer
could have the same woman in a size 12 or 14.

To the costumers seeing this message in time: I'm curious to see what you think.

Until later--

Carole

Michael Jacobsen asks:

> > "What dress size would Venus de Milo wear?"

For laughs, I use a photo of the Venus de Milo on my web page
(http://members.aol.com/randwhit/measure.htm) in an illustration of how to
take bust, waist, and hip measurements when ordering a custom garment.

I also note that Venus would be considered short-waisted in modern size
scales.

Randall

> Michael Jacobsen asks:
>
> > > "What dress size would Venus de Milo wear?"
>
> For laughs, I use a photo of the Venus de Milo on my web page
> (http://members.aol.com/randwhit/measure.htm) in an illustration of how to
> take bust, waist, and hip measurements when ordering a custom garment.
>

Cute.

> I also note that Venus would be considered short-waisted in modern size
> scales.
>

That sounds about right for a petite size. I think that is part of the petite
sizing scale. I don't believe you find a long-waisted petite woman.

Until later--

Carole

In a message dated 1/5/2002 12:16:27 AM US Mountain Standard Time, mscip@inreach.com writes:

I don't believe you find a long-waisted petite woman.

Except maybe in Anime'.

Randall

----- Original Message -----

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To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:26 AM

Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Venus De Milo dress size

In a message dated 1/5/2002 12:16:27 AM US Mountain Standard Time, mscip@inreach.com writes:

I don't believe you find a long-waisted petite woman.

Except maybe in Anime'.

Randall

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Does anyone know of any forums out there that curretly have Lort of
the Rings costume discusions going???

A group of us on h-costume had been rather off topic with discusion
construction there... and were thinking of moving the discussion to f-
costume unless anyone has a better suggestion.

Most of the Movie sites are just fan discussions w/ an occation...
where do I buy the cape comment.


On the other hand if you're interested in the discussion... Join by
going here... http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/f-costume

:-)

-Cat-

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> Sorry I've got you there. I've always been a long waisted petite. I
> even have problems with regular sizes beening short waisted.

My understanding was that the *standard* petite size was for short-waisted
women. Wonderful exceptions always happen to the general rules. ;-)

>

Until later--

Carole

--- In ICG-D@y..., randwhit@a... wrote:

> A few weeks ago someone posted a message about a Lord of the Rings

costume

> museum display.
>
> I just received an inquiry from someone looking to re-create the

elven

> cloaks. I'd like to repeat the information to them.
>
> Randall

www.theonering.net has a lot of pictures and a decient search engine,
but not all the pictures are labeled.

The exhibit was in Toronto at Casa Loma. The thumbnails are
rediculusly small... but start with:
http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/source/Casa_Loma_Exhibit

Also send them over to f-costume where we're discussing.

I will be getting links together in web page soon with the PR
inforation on costumes that New Line released.

-Cat-

Speaking of LOTR cloaks...If anyone is intrested in such facts, there are
15 yards of fabric in each Ringwraith cloak, FYI.
Gristle P.

----- Original Message -----
From: "catdevereaux" <CatDevereaux@AlleyCatScratch.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:00 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] Re: Lord of the Rings Costumes?


> --- In ICG-D@y..., randwhit@a... wrote:
> > A few weeks ago someone posted a message about a Lord of the Rings
> costume
> > museum display.
> >
> > I just received an inquiry from someone looking to re-create the
> elven
> > cloaks. I'd like to repeat the information to them.
> >
> > Randall
>
> www.theonering.net has a lot of pictures and a decient search engine,
> but not all the pictures are labeled.
>
> The exhibit was in Toronto at Casa Loma. The thumbnails are
> rediculusly small... but start with:
> http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/source/Casa_Loma_Exhibit
>
> Also send them over to f-costume where we're discussing.
>
> I will be getting links together in web page soon with the PR
> inforation on costumes that New Line released.
>
> -Cat-
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In a message dated 1/8/2002 12:04:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, CatDevereaux@AlleyCatScratch.com writes:

The exhibit was in Toronto at Casa Loma.  The thumbnails are
rediculusly small... but start with:
http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/source/Casa_Loma_Exhibit

That's just what I was looking for. I've forwarded the information to my client.

Thanks!

Randall

Randall,

Right now we've got a small "herd" of folks that are going to get
detailed into LOTR costumes. Right now it's in f-costume w/ folks
voting on if we should move to yahoo for the archive functions.....

Send um there... http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/f-costume

Will have a web up soon to suport the discussion.

-Cat-
like I need another hobby... er, more of this one

--- In ICG-D@y..., randwhit@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/8/2002 12:04:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> CatDevereaux@A... writes:
>
>
> > The exhibit was in Toronto at Casa Loma. The thumbnails are
> > rediculusly small... but start with:
> >
>
> That's just what I was looking for. I've forwarded the information
to my
> client.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Randall

er, sorry to correct.... 48 METERS (Whatever that comes to in
yards... over 50)

see:
http://www.lordoftherings.net/film/production/pr_wardr_interview.html


-Cat-

--- In ICG-D@y..., "Susan Stringer" <thesusan@b...> wrote:
> Speaking of LOTR cloaks...If anyone is intrested in such facts,
there are
> 15 yards of fabric in each Ringwraith cloak, FYI.
> Gristle P.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "catdevereaux" <CatDevereaux@A...>
> To: <ICG-D@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:00 PM
> Subject: [ICG-D] Re: Lord of the Rings Costumes?
>
>
> > --- In ICG-D@y..., randwhit@a... wrote:
> > > A few weeks ago someone posted a message about a Lord of the
Rings
> > costume
> > > museum display.
> > >
> > > I just received an inquiry from someone looking to re-create the
> > elven
> > > cloaks. I'd like to repeat the information to them.
> > >
> > > Randall
> >
> > www.theonering.net has a lot of pictures and a decient search
engine,
> > but not all the pictures are labeled.
> >
> > The exhibit was in Toronto at Casa Loma. The thumbnails are
> > rediculusly small... but start with:
> > http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/source/Casa_Loma_Exhibit
> >
> > Also send them over to f-costume where we're discussing.
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> > inforation on costumes that New Line released.
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Actually, looking at the photo, I think you might want to slide that
"waist" bar down just a tad (maybe one bar width?).

Those certainly look like my proportions, and I'm a standard store-size
petite. (If only they'd make more size 16 petites...)

5'2" and everything in proportion.

Sigh...

Betsy

randwhit@aol.com wrote:

>
> Michael Jacobsen asks:
>
> > > "What dress size would Venus de Milo wear?"
>
> For laughs, I use a photo of the Venus de Milo on my web page
> (http://members.aol.com/randwhit/measure.htm) in an illustration of how to
> take bust, waist, and hip measurements when ordering a custom garment.
>
> I also note that Venus would be considered short-waisted in modern size
> scales.
>
> Randall
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My bad. It was actually 15 meters. At least, according to Sci-Fi's
making-of special. Not 15 yards. Or 48.
Gristle P.

----- Original Message -----
From: "catdevereaux" <CatDevereaux@AlleyCatScratch.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] Re: Lord of the Rings Costumes?


> er, sorry to correct.... 48 METERS (Whatever that comes to in
> yards... over 50)
>
> see:
> http://www.lordoftherings.net/film/production/pr_wardr_interview.html
>
>
> -Cat-
>
> --- In ICG-D@y..., "Susan Stringer" <thesusan@b...> wrote:
> > Speaking of LOTR cloaks...If anyone is intrested in such facts,
> there are
> > 15 yards of fabric in each Ringwraith cloak, FYI.
> > Gristle P.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "catdevereaux" <CatDevereaux@A...>
> > To: <ICG-D@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:00 PM
> > Subject: [ICG-D] Re: Lord of the Rings Costumes?
> >
> >
> > > --- In ICG-D@y..., randwhit@a... wrote:
> > > > A few weeks ago someone posted a message about a Lord of the
> Rings
> > > costume
> > > > museum display.
> > > >
> > > > I just received an inquiry from someone looking to re-create the
> > > elven
> > > > cloaks. I'd like to repeat the information to them.
> > > >
> > > > Randall
> > >
> > > www.theonering.net has a lot of pictures and a decient search
> engine,
> > > but not all the pictures are labeled.
> > >
> > > The exhibit was in Toronto at Casa Loma. The thumbnails are
> > > rediculusly small... but start with:
> > > http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/source/Casa_Loma_Exhibit
> > >
> > > Also send them over to f-costume where we're discussing.
> > >
> > > I will be getting links together in web page soon with the PR
> > > inforation on costumes that New Line released.
> > >
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<<On the other hand if you're interested in the discussion... Join by
going here... http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/f-costume>>

Does any one mind if I put a link from my website to that? A number of people have either asked me about, or have just mentioned, Tolkien related costumes (not exclusively from the film, but then this does include longstanding TS members!)

Marion

<<It was actually 15 meters. At least, according to Sci-Fi's making-
of special>> hummmmmmmmm. Costume mystery to solve.

Gristle, do you have a tape of that segment. Who were they
interviewing??? The 48 meter quote comes from the New Line web site
from an interview with the wardrobe supervision, Carolyn Fehton.
It's seems like an insane amount of fabric to use. 15 is still a lot
of fabric, but haven't studied the riders that heavy yet so wouldn't
even have an educated guess.

--- In ICG-D@y..., "Susan Stringer" <thesusan@b...> wrote:
> My bad. It was actually 15 meters. At least, according to Sci-Fi's
> making-of special. Not 15 yards. Or 48.
> Gristle P.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "catdevereaux" <CatDevereaux@A...>
> To: <ICG-D@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:28 PM
> Subject: [ICG-D] Re: Lord of the Rings Costumes?
>
>
> > er, sorry to correct.... 48 METERS (Whatever that comes to in
> > yards... over 50)
> >
> > see:
> >
http://www.lordoftherings.net/film/production/pr_wardr_interview.html
> >
> >
> > -Cat-
> >
> > --- In ICG-D@y..., "Susan Stringer" <thesusan@b...> wrote:
> > > Speaking of LOTR cloaks...If anyone is intrested in such facts,
> > there are
> > > 15 yards of fabric in each Ringwraith cloak, FYI.
> > > Gristle P.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "catdevereaux" <CatDevereaux@A...>
> > > To: <ICG-D@y...>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:00 PM
> > > Subject: [ICG-D] Re: Lord of the Rings Costumes?
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In ICG-D@y..., randwhit@a... wrote:
> > > > > A few weeks ago someone posted a message about a Lord of the
> > Rings
> > > > costume
> > > > > museum display.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just received an inquiry from someone looking to re-
create the
> > > > elven
> > > > > cloaks. I'd like to repeat the information to them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Randall
> > > >
> > > > www.theonering.net has a lot of pictures and a decient search
> > engine,
> > > > but not all the pictures are labeled.
> > > >
> > > > The exhibit was in Toronto at Casa Loma. The thumbnails are
> > > > rediculusly small... but start with:
> > > >
http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/source/Casa_Loma_Exhibit
> > > >
> > > > Also send them over to f-costume where we're discussing.
> > > >
> > > > I will be getting links together in web page soon with the PR
> > > > inforation on costumes that New Line released.
> > > >
> > > > -Cat-
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Because of no archives at f-costume and after a poll there, we're
moveing the discussion to yahoo:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_Costume/ to join.

Marion, please share the link w/ the Tolkien folks. Couldn't find
any serious discusion going on so the off topic discussion in h-
costume been moving around.

We won't move anymore, I promise.

Everyone, come play. We're got plans to dig into seams and seam
alowances as well.

Will get the stuff up on a web as soon as I have a chance to breath.

-Cat-

--- In ICG-D@y..., Lorloth@a... wrote:
> <<On the other hand if you're interested in the discussion... Join
by
> going here... http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/f-costume>>
>
> Does any one mind if I put a link from my website to that? A
number of people have either asked me about, or have just mentioned,
Tolkien related costumes (not exclusively from the film, but then
this does include longstanding TS members!)
>
> Marion

----- Original Message -----

Gristle, do you have a tape of that segment.  Who were they
interviewing???  The 48 meter quote comes from the New Line web site
from an interview with the wardrobe supervision, Carolyn Fehton. 
It's seems like an insane amount of fabric to use.  15 is still a lot
of fabric, but haven't studied the riders that heavy yet so wouldn't
even have an educated guess.

I can check it out on a friend's copy of the Sci-Fi special, if you really
want. What I DO know is whatever material they used, they used a HELLUVA lot
of it...! ;) I'd love to get some of that. I have a Death concept that would
look great done in the Ringwraith material.
Gristle P.

----- Original Message -----
From: "catdevereaux" <CatDevereaux@AlleyCatScratch.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: [ICG-D] re: Ring Wraith materal length


> <<It was actually 15 meters. At least, according to Sci-Fi's making-
> of special>> hummmmmmmmm. Costume mystery to solve.
>
> Gristle, do you have a tape of that segment. Who were they
> interviewing??? The 48 meter quote comes from the New Line web site
> from an interview with the wardrobe supervision, Carolyn Fehton.
> It's seems like an insane amount of fabric to use. 15 is still a lot
> of fabric, but haven't studied the riders that heavy yet so wouldn't
> even have an educated guess.
>
> --- In ICG-D@y..., "Susan Stringer" <thesusan@b...> wrote:
> > My bad. It was actually 15 meters. At least, according to Sci-Fi's
> > making-of special. Not 15 yards. Or 48.
> > Gristle P.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "catdevereaux" <CatDevereaux@A...>
> > To: <ICG-D@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:28 PM
> > Subject: [ICG-D] Re: Lord of the Rings Costumes?
> >
> >
> > > er, sorry to correct.... 48 METERS (Whatever that comes to in
> > > yards... over 50)
> > >
> > > see:
> > >
> http://www.lordoftherings.net/film/production/pr_wardr_interview.html
> > >
> > >
> > > -Cat-
> > >
> > > --- In ICG-D@y..., "Susan Stringer" <thesusan@b...> wrote:
> > > > Speaking of LOTR cloaks...If anyone is intrested in such facts,
> > > there are
> > > > 15 yards of fabric in each Ringwraith cloak, FYI.
> > > > Gristle P.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "catdevereaux" <CatDevereaux@A...>
> > > > To: <ICG-D@y...>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:00 PM
> > > > Subject: [ICG-D] Re: Lord of the Rings Costumes?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- In ICG-D@y..., randwhit@a... wrote:
> > > > > > A few weeks ago someone posted a message about a Lord of the
> > > Rings
> > > > > costume
> > > > > > museum display.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just received an inquiry from someone looking to re-
> create the
> > > > > elven
> > > > > > cloaks. I'd like to repeat the information to them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Randall
> > > > >
> > > > > www.theonering.net has a lot of pictures and a decient search
> > > engine,
> > > > > but not all the pictures are labeled.
> > > > >
> > > > > The exhibit was in Toronto at Casa Loma. The thumbnails are
> > > > > rediculusly small... but start with:
> > > > >
> http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/source/Casa_Loma_Exhibit
> > > > >
> > > > > Also send them over to f-costume where we're discussing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will be getting links together in web page soon with the PR
> > > > > inforation on costumes that New Line released.
> > > > >
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Is anyone interested in getting together for dinner on Friday night when I get in? 

 

 

Con membership includes the Friday night barbeque banquet,full meal (vege and vengan alternatives) and drinks,

 

-C. 

----- Original Message -----

> I once made up cards which read: Have a Happy Pick One. and followed
> it with any holiday which came to mind up to and including Hogswatch Night
> and National Ardvark Day.

Good one Alix! (Even if my reply is VERY late.)

Personally, I'm very thoughtful about picking up little gifts and things for
my friends when I'm out shopping. However, I'm dreadful about actually
Giving the items to people. My friends and family are somewhat accustomed
to receiving Christmas Presents for Valentine's Day, that sort of thing.
Jeff & I have two boxes of Christmas cards on the shelf under the TV.
They've been there for 3 or 4 years. I pulled them out at last year's New
Year's Eve party and offered to hand them out. Everyone said they would
wait for the postman. The cards are STILL here.

After collecting items for friends out of town for years, I heard that their
house had burned down. All the family was fine and thier extended family
had donated lots of furniture and clothes and such, but my friends had lost
all thier costumes and horror related nick nacks. Since I couldn't bare to
think of my friends without costumes, I sent them a care package. It
included replacement Morticia & Gomez costumes which they wore for thier
wedding, a haunted house snow globe with little bats, a corset with pansies,
hats, gloves, fishnet stockings, packaged costumes from the Savior Fair line
(very nice if you haven't seen them) candle holders, etc. You know, all the
truely needful things that Moms, Dads, Aunts and Uncles don't think about.
On the outside of the box, I wrote "Happy Halloween, Merry Christmas, Joyous
New Year, Happy Valentine's day, Groundhog day, Armistist day, Birthday,
Anniversery" and anything else I could think of. I was quite relieved to
hear that they DID receive the big box. I was somewhat worried about it
being delivered to the wrong house. Could you imagine a mundain opening
such a box?

Hugs,
Susan

Hi Folks.

Sorry that I've been gone so long, but I've been in a bit of a funk. Trust
me, if you think my Email rambles on to long when I'm happy, you DON'T want
to read what I write when depressed! I was disappointed (yet secretly
relieved) when Charlotte lost the Worldcon Bid. I'm sure you all figured
out how nervouse I was about it by all my emails. Then there was that whole
Sept. 11th thing. Then it was Halloween followed WAY to quickly by
Christmas. Honestly, when you run a costume shop, the LAST thing you want
to do when you get home is talk, read or write about costumes at Halloween &
Christmas!

You know, when I was a kid, I was alway unhappy that I "lost" my mother for
about 3 months each year because of "tax season" (She's an accountant who
specializes in Taxes). Now, I realize that I've done the same thing to my
own son by sellecting a profession which completely takes over my life for
Halloween. At least it's only one month instead of three.

So! (or should that be Sew?) What's up aside from Venus & LOTR?

Hugs,
Susan

In a message dated 01/10/2002 10:39:06 AM Central Standard Time, ICG-D@yahoogroups.com writes:

Con membership includes the Friday night barbeque banquet,full meal (vege
and vengan alternatives) and drinks,

I get into Melbourne on Thursday 2/14 at 1:50 p.m., so would also like to find folks to go to dinner with that night (and I think you offered a ride from the airport).  I get into Vancouver Canada on Friday 2/22 and that's when I'd like to find someone to do dinner with.

I'm trying this here since I didn't get an answer with your direct mail.  Chris, you still haven't answered my e-mail about the motel I found on the edge of campus that is closer than the Bell Street Inn, but has air conditioning which the dorms don't.  PLEASE ANSWER ASAP, I MUST MAKE RESERVATIONS.  Both of these motels also have a fridge in their rooms, but neither have irons in each room.  Plan on going to the laundry or bringing your own, what what I was told.

Please copy me at msolomon@allstate.com since they have blocked access to all outside service providers after Nimda.

Thanks,

Michele

Hi Susan:

Charlotte lost? Pity. So, who did win?

Bruce
"10 + 16 = 25 -- do the math"
President, SLCG

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Stringer" <thesusan@bellsouth.net>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:17 AM
Subject: [ICG-D] Hello


> Hi Folks.
>
> Sorry that I've been gone so long, but I've been in a bit of a funk.
Trust
> me, if you think my Email rambles on to long when I'm happy, you DON'T
want
> to read what I write when depressed! I was disappointed (yet secretly
> relieved) when Charlotte lost the Worldcon Bid

From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@prodigy.net>

> Charlotte lost? Pity. So, who did win?

Bahstin...

FYI the scroll bar on this site now works - :) Pretty wonderful stuff
there!

--- In ICG-D@y..., "catdevereaux" <CatDevereaux@A...> wrote:
> There's a new web site up from the person who did the jewlry from
> LOTRs. Though you might like to check it out.
>
> http://www.jasminewatson.com
>
> One warning, it's a new site and they're still tweeking it so
things
> like scroll bar don't work and navigation is a pill, but the images
> are worth it. Slow loading too.
>
> Have fun...
>
> Ya've got to see the movie... actually more than once if you want
to
> see the costumes because the first time you'll be much too involved
> in the story.
>
> -Cat-
> (jazzed at having seen it already, and can't wait for Wed night to
> see it again.)

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Andrew T Trembley wrote:

> From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@prodigy.net>
> > Charlotte lost? Pity. So, who did win?
>
> Bahstin...
>

http://www.noreascon.org/ for more details.

Sharon
Noreascon Four Webmistress

Thanks, Sharon.

Bruce
"10 + 16 = 25 when Hell Freezes Over"
President, SLCG

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon L Sbarsky" <sbarsky@world.std.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Hello


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> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Andrew T Trembley wrote:
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> > From: "Bruce & Nora Mai" <casamai@prodigy.net>
> > > Charlotte lost? Pity. So, who did win?
> >
> > Bahstin...
> >
> http://www.noreascon.org/ for more details.
>
> Sharon
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Hi icg,

Elaine stopped by CourierPostOnline
and suggested that you visit the following URL:

http://www.courierpostonline.com/news/southjersey/m011402c.htm

If you receive an error message, try the link below:

http://www.southjerseynews.com/issues/january/m011402c.htm

Here is their message....
Just thought this was topical. E

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>
> Charlotte lost? Pity. So, who did win?

Yeah, Boston won. Really no surprise. It's really hard for an underdog
newcomer to win against such a well established group. But we gave them a
heck of a good run for their money! Now all the Charlotte people are
talking about running for NASFIC and such since they all have worked so hard
to get everything set up. It's sort of like being all dressed up with no
where to go. Or, in costumer terms, it feels sort of like spending months
of work and tons of cash on a cool new costume for the con, then finding out
that the Masquerade has been canceled due to lack of participation. It
really leaves one feeling very "blah" while sweeping up the confetti.

The sad part is that after the vote came out, many of the Charlotte people
said, "Oh well, see you at Dragon." Many people took that very wrong. Most
thought it was serious Sour Grapes and that the Charlotte people were going
to "Boycott" Boston because we lost the bid. The truth of the matter is
that most of us were working on the bid to get a World Con to come back to
the Southeast. It's been a LONG TIME since MagicCon in Orlando! Many of us
can't afford to travel. I'm sure that most costumers are familiar with the
problem. You can afford to make a WorldCon caliber costume OR you can
afford to travel to the convention, you can't afford both.

Oh well. To look on the bright side, it gets me out of my personal moral
dilemma of what to do about entering my costumes in a show that I was going
to run. It is so RARE that I get to compete on the WorldCon level, that I
was really wishy washy about missing a chance to compete. However, I really
wanted the opportunity to run the show. Not that I have a power trip
problem, the thought of screwing it up actually scared the pants off me, but
I love a challenge. Oh well! It's all over now and I can move on to other
obsessions :-)

Hugs,
Susan

Elaine--

The original story has been archived, but a link is provided to the
archived version (the second link).

A tale of mummers and the ostrich feathers they love...and the cleaner
that keeps them together.

>From the article:

>>But ostrich feathers, at about $40 a dozen, are too costly to pluck at

the first sign of wear, said Broomall, whose band uses 3,000 plumes<<

3000 divide by 12 equals 250 dozen. Times $40 per dozen equals $10,000?!?
How do you tell your nearest and dearest that you're going to paying for
part of that? And since the feathers wear out, you're going to have to do
it every few years?

This is beyond crazy...

Backing away slowly, not making eye contact,
Bruce B.

"It's kind of neat to do the impossible."
--Walt Disney

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Actually, the most disturbing aspect to me was when I learned long ago that the majority of the costumes are "parted out" and recycled each year, and not lovingly preserved for posterity.

--Julie ZS

>>3000 divide by 12 equals 250 dozen. Times $40 per dozen equals $10,000?!?

How do you tell your nearest and dearest that you're going to paying for
part of that? And since the feathers wear out, you're going to have to do
it every few years?<<

Well, thanks to the new "Expanded" School year that starts BEFORE Labor Day, we
can't make it to any WorldCon even though we have the money! Unless it is in our
own backyard, which luckily this year it really IS in our own backyard. We live
2 miles from the San Jose Convention Center. So our 13 year old can go to school
and we can go to the con <g>.

Needless to say, we won't be at Boston or DragonCon, *sigh*. We were tempted to
pull him if Orlando had won for 2001, but they didn't get it either.

Our son does love his Kitty Hawk though and you put on a wonderful bid. Tell
everyone thank you!

Mythically yours,

Lisa

Susan Stringer wrote:

> >
> > Charlotte lost? Pity. So, who did win?
>
> Yeah, Boston won.
> The sad part is that after the vote came out, many of the Charlotte people
> said, "Oh well, see you at Dragon." Many people took that very wrong. Most
> thought it was serious Sour Grapes and that the Charlotte people were going
> to "Boycott" Boston because we lost the bid. The truth of the matter is
> that most of us were working on the bid to get a World Con to come back to
> the Southeast. It's been a LONG TIME since MagicCon in Orlando! Many of us
> can't afford to travel. I'm sure that most costumers are familiar with the
> problem. You can afford to make a WorldCon caliber costume OR you can
> afford to travel to the convention, you can't afford both.

>Well, thanks to the new "Expanded" School year that starts BEFORE Labor
>Day, we
>can't make it to any WorldCon even though we have the money! Unless it is
>in our
>own backyard, which luckily this year it really IS in our own backyard. We
>live
>2 miles from the San Jose Convention Center. So our 13 year old can go to
>school
>and we can go to the con <g>.
>
>Needless to say, we won't be at Boston or DragonCon, *sigh*. We were
>tempted to
>pull him if Orlando had won for 2001, but they didn't get it either.
>
>Our son does love his Kitty Hawk though and you put on a wonderful bid.
>Tell
>everyone thank you!
>
>Mythically yours,
>
>Lisa

I am in considerable sympathy, since Jacksonville's school year starts in
early August.

I am afraid, however, I am a scapegrace. We *do* pull John from school,
since he's been there a fortnight, for at least Friday-Monday. Regrettably,
this policy did shoot Australian trael in the head, a few yr ago. John
still hasn't forgiven the school board, and neither have we.

cordially, Bill

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Susan -

Yeah, I know how you feel.

Take heart from the fact that I and the rest of Boston were in exactly this
position when we first ran a worldcon bid. It may have passed out of most
fannish memory - it was 1968 after all - but we lost our first bid against
New York - what was then Nycon III. A lot has happened since... New York
has waned and we set about to "plant obs" on the rest of fandom by helping
out wherever and whenever we could and took our regional more seriously as a
means of learning about con running.

One of the things we did to publicize ourselves was to be sure we had Boston
fans entering the masquerades, too. And our N3 bid even did a group costume
that involved virtually all the committee in some way.

I'm glad to hear your group is talking about putting together another con
running effort. Whatever happens with the NasFic, I hope you'll consider
doing a local con with Charlotte resources - Dragon may be close and
convenient, but it won't make you or Charlotte famous in SF fandom.

That's what worked for us - your mileage may differ.

Good Luck!

...Oh, and Happy New Year to everyone!

- Suford

> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:56:26 -0500
> From: "Susan Stringer" <thesusan@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Hello
>

<snip>

> Now all the Charlotte people are
> talking about running for NASFIC and such since they all have worked so hard
> to get everything set up. It's sort of like being all dressed up with no
> where to go. Or, in costumer terms, it feels sort of like spending months
> of work and tons of cash on a cool new costume for the con, then finding out
> that the Masquerade has been canceled due to lack of participation. It
> really leaves one feeling very "blah" while sweeping up the confetti.

<snop>

>
> Hugs,
> Susan
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Can anyone out there help Susan? I wish I could, but that's definitely out
of my league!

Elaine

>From: Susan Cole <secole@adelphia.net>
>To: ecmami@hotmail.com
>Subject: How to best research this costume
>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:56:01 -0800
>
>Hi Elaine:
>
>I received an antique, extensively hand embroidered torero dance jacket
>from my flamenco/Spanish dance teacher Manolo Rivera. He is a native
>New Yorker whose career spanned 40 years. I plan to write a non-fiction
>article about the jacket that would include information about the
>designer, the history & technique of embroidery, the kind of craftsman
>who could have made such a jacket, facts about bullfight costumes...in
>short, I'd like any and all information possible. Unfortunately, Manolo
>knows little about the jacket except that a well-known designer by the
>name of Fred Whitsett (or something akin to that) may have made it. It
>has a Brooks Costume Co. label inside. He received it from a dancer
>named Pilar Gomez, now in her 80s, who still lives in New York. She is
>gravely ill and my chances of interviewing her are slim. It may have
>belonged to her partner. I will be in New York from Jan 25th-Jan 28th.
>I am attaching a few pictures of the jacket to this email. Can you
>offer me any tips on how best to research the subject?
>
>Thank you for your time
>
>Susan Elaine Cole
>228 Ave G
>Redondo Beach CA 90277
>(310) 316-0906
>e-mail: secole@adelphia.net

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I did a search under Brooks Costume Co and came up with this link.
http://www.talkinbroadway.com/rialto/past/1998/4_2_98.html
It mentions where the company is located in NY, this may be a start for you.

http://www.streetswing.com/histmai2/d2pilar1.htm
This other link is for Pilar Gomez.
Again very little information but perhaps a start.

The jacket is incredible! you are very luck.
Stephanie Carrigg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Mami" <ecmami@hotmail.com>
To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <secole@adelphia.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:16 AM
Subject: [ICG-D] Fwd: How to best research this costume


> Can anyone out there help Susan? I wish I could, but that's definitely
out
> of my league!
>
> Elaine
>
>
> >From: Susan Cole <secole@adelphia.net>
> >To: ecmami@hotmail.com
> >Subject: How to best research this costume
> >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:56:01 -0800
> >
> >Hi Elaine:
> >
> >I received an antique, extensively hand embroidered torero dance jacket
> >from my flamenco/Spanish dance teacher Manolo Rivera. He is a native
> >New Yorker whose career spanned 40 years. I plan to write a non-fiction
> >article about the jacket that would include information about the
> >designer, the history & technique of embroidery, the kind of craftsman
> >who could have made such a jacket, facts about bullfight costumes...in
> >short, I'd like any and all information possible. Unfortunately, Manolo
> >knows little about the jacket except that a well-known designer by the
> >name of Fred Whitsett (or something akin to that) may have made it. It
> >has a Brooks Costume Co. label inside. He received it from a dancer
> >named Pilar Gomez, now in her 80s, who still lives in New York. She is
> >gravely ill and my chances of interviewing her are slim. It may have
> >belonged to her partner. I will be in New York from Jan 25th-Jan 28th.
> >I am attaching a few pictures of the jacket to this email. Can you
> >offer me any tips on how best to research the subject?
> >
> >Thank you for your time
> >
> >Susan Elaine Cole
> >228 Ave G
> >Redondo Beach CA 90277
> >(310) 316-0906
> >e-mail: secole@adelphia.net
>
>
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I don't usually pass stuff along, as that is often a virus-like activity in
itself, but I never pass anything along to "everybody" but limit it to at
most 5 addresses (including only one e-list). I've always wondered what
the right places to call for this were and here it all is in one package...

- Suford
______________________

> I thought I'd pass this along...sounds like good advice! Place the contents
> of your wallet on a photocopy machine, do both sides of each license, credit
> card, etc. You will know what you had in your wallet and all of the account
> numbers and phone numbers to call and cancel. Keep the photocopy in a safe
> place (not in your wallet).
>
> A corporate attorney sent this out to the employees in his company. I pass
> it along, for your information.
>
>> We've all heard horror stories about fraud that's committed in your name,
>> address, SS#, credit, etc. Unfortunately I (the author of this piece who
>> happens to be an attorney) have firsthand knowledge, because my wallet was
>> stolen last month and within a week the thieves) ordered an expensive
>> monthly cell phone package, applied for a VISA credit card, had a credit
>> line approved to buy a Gateway computer, received a PIN number from DMV to
>> change my driving record information online, and more.
>>
>> But here's some critical information to limit the damage in case this
>> happens to you or someone you know. As everyone always advises, cancel your
>> credit cards immediately, but the key is having the toll free numbers and
>> your card numbers handy so you know whom to call. Keep those where you can
>> find them easily. File a police report immediately in the jurisdiction
>> where it was stolen, this proves to credit providers you were diligent, and
>> is a first step toward an investigation (if there ever is one).
>>
>> But here's what is perhaps most important: (I never ever thought to do
>> this) Call the three national credit reporting organizations immediately to
>> place a fraud alert on your name and SS#. I had never heard of doing that
>> until advised by a bank that called to tell me an application for credit was
>> made over the Internet in my name. The Alert means any company that checks
>> your credit knows your information was stolen and they have to contact you
>> by phone to authorize new credit. By the time I was advised to do this,
>> almost 2 weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done.
>>
>> There are records of all the credit checks initiated by the thieves'
>> purchases, none of which I knew about before placing the alert. Since then,
>> no additional damage has been done, and the thieves threw my wallet away
>> this weekend (someone turned it in). It seems to have stopped them in their
>> tracks.
>>
>> The numbers are:
>>
>> Equifax: 1-800-525-6285
>>
>> Experian (formerly TRW): 1-888-397-3742
>>
>> Trans Union: 1-800-680-7289
>>
>> Social Security Administration (fraud line): 1-800-269-0271
>>
>> We pass along jokes; we pass along just about everything. Do think about
>> passing this information along. It could really help someone.

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-----Original Message-----

Does anyone live in the Vancouver area?  I'm supposed to fly into Vancouver and spend the night on 2/22 on the way back from Australia.  I was hoping to meet someone for dinner.

I'd like to do a roll call for those of us going to CC20.  There have to be others going. <grin>.

Michele Jaye Solomon  

 

Elaine,

Forward me name to the person who would like to know about the Flamenco
jacket. I have some limited experience with that as I lived in Spain for
2 years. I may be able to help but no promise.

Jay

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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:16:54 -0500
From: "Elaine Mami" <ecmami@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: How to best research this costume

Can anyone out there help Susan? I wish I could, but that's definitely
out
of my league!

Elaine

>From: Susan Cole <secole@adelphia.net>
>To: ecmami@hotmail.com
>Subject: How to best research this costume
>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:56:01 -0800
>
>Hi Elaine:
>
>I received an antique, extensively hand embroidered torero dance jacket

>from my flamenco/Spanish dance teacher Manolo Rivera. He is a native
>New Yorker whose career spanned 40 years. I plan to write a
>non-fiction article about the jacket that would include information
>about the designer, the history & technique of embroidery, the kind of
>craftsman who could have made such a jacket, facts about bullfight
>costumes...in short, I'd like any and all information possible.
>Unfortunately, Manolo knows little about the jacket except that a
>well-known designer by the name of Fred Whitsett (or something akin to
>that) may have made it. It has a Brooks Costume Co. label inside. He
>received it from a dancer named Pilar Gomez, now in her 80s, who still
>lives in New York. She is gravely ill and my chances of interviewing
>her are slim. It may have belonged to her partner. I will be in New
>York from Jan 25th-Jan 28th. I am attaching a few pictures of the
>jacket to this email. Can you offer me any tips on how best to
>research the subject?
>
>Thank you for your time
>
>Susan Elaine Cole
>228 Ave G
>Redondo Beach CA 90277
>(310) 316-0906
>e-mail: secole@adelphia.net

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